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- The Atheist Experience 23.02 for January 13, 2019, with Matt Dillahunty and Noah Lugeons.
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I love the attitude Matt gets with these types of calls. He knows when someone is just going to be dishonest and tap dance with no real inclination to learn. But when he hears someone with genuine questions, you can tell he's excited to talk to them. I really hope Ben finds his way out, and safely.
Who's to say there's any real thing here at to acquire or learn ?!
Programs like this seem to be biased as I heard him exclaiming as though certain passages from the Bible were absolute truth..
Who's to say that most of everything that is actually in the Bible isn't as they said as it relates to ancient astrology myths and depictions thereof.. if people are having near-death experiences but yet each and every one has a different sort of experience that doesn't line up with the Bible it has to be of Satan ?!
You are almost there Ben. Good luck.
He's even further lost.
Indoctrination takes time to work your way out of.
ThePowerchimp Exactly. Such a simple sentiment but so much to unpack. This kid is obviously studying, asking questions and slowly figuring out what his own values and morals and beliefs are, which can be incredibly hard when it’s been dictated to you your entire life. I really love when they get to talk to people at a point in the journey that is usually so isolating with questions/fears that won’t leave you alone. It’s healing for people who’ve been there, and especially healing for the next guy in his position who won’t have to feel quite as alone while climbing his way out. It’s proof that indoctrination does an excellent job at making you stay out of fear or “just in case” you’re wrong- because since you could comprehend words you’ve been told about hell, and now you’re an adult who recognizes you’re in a completely illogical situation but hell is a fuckin’ scary “just in case” consequence. This guy seems like he’s well on his way, it just takes time, and it’s been 8 or 9 months so I hope it’s getting easier. Support is important too, hope he’s got some of that.
I was 25 when this video was published to TH-cam on Thursday, February 28, 2019. That is 10 years after The Atheist Experience joined TH-cam when I was 15 on Tuesday, September 30, 2008. George W. Bush was president of the United States and 62 at that time. He is 72 right now. I am so happy he answered this question about hell or a place of punishment of the wicked after death because I personally have wondered about this forever.
Book of Mormon: proof that anyone can invent a religion.
Especially when religions are a tax exempt business. One would expect a lot of them to pop up just because of that.
and it came to pass.... dum dum dum
Book of Mormon is how I ended up on so many atheist pages. The creation of a new religion was probably shocking. But the excuses Mormons make for it was the final straw. I had to face facts that I couldn’t prove the Bible any more than I could prove Book of Mormon. 😢they’re so nice I wanted to believe. I even started to say I did because they were so nice and I didn’t want to hurt them. I don’t know if I should be grateful or angry at the book.
So true!
@ Excellent idea.
I appreciate how Noah and Matt handled Ben's dilemma. They did not become (for a lack of a better word) preachy. There was no humiliation. Rather, they illuminated with the use of simple examples and an understanding of Mormon tenets. They did not plead with Ben to stay away from the dark side nor did they insult the Mormon dogma. Rather, they provided Ben suggestions of actions to take and questions to ask, in effect placing sole confidence in Ben to make his own informed decision. Bravo Noah, Matt, and Ben!
I have several near death experiences everyday just driving to work.
And, PTSD!
😂
Man, what a nice, rational, intelligent, open-minded caller. A pity it's so rare, but a pleasure to listen to.
@THE PEOPLE SING Open-minded means open-minded. But if being a dick makes you happy, go right ahead; we're kind of used to theists being dicks when they one of their own doesn't toe the line and actually questions the dogma.
I was raised Southern Baptist, I’m 49 years old. It’s been a year since I applied logic to thinking and realized everything I thought to be true was BS. My sister who is a still a full on sleep walking Christian said “if you don’t believe in God anymore, then what is the harm of believing, JUST IN CASE, there turns out to be a God and a heaven?” I just stared at her. I found your channel yesterday and have been binging all of the videos. The conversations really amazing.
Simply say to her, "okay, i believe in god just in case, in fact i believe in all gods of all religions just in case. In fact, just in case there turns out to be a three headed dragon on the body of a hippo, ima believe in it too." And when she says, "No, you need to believe in my God," say well, once you've got agreement with all the others who believe in God (but not your god), then you can come and try to convince me.
I’d ask her if she thinks you have the power to trick her god that you believe when you’re just faking it. 👍🏼
Mad respect to any theist who challenges their belief system 🫶🏻
To get over my fear of hell, I just told myself that if I ever changed my mind, I could always go back to christianity and be saved. That thought is was first led to me to give up my faith. After that, my confidence in a god existing has been shrinking ever since and is now so low that I rarely think about hell at all. There will be moments where I get a overwhelming sense of fear that I messed up royally and will suffer in hell for eternity, but those moments are short lived and die out once my rational thought comes back. Cosmicskeptic has a good video on this exact topic called something like “Why I as an atheist fear hell.” It brought me comfort knowing that I’m not the only one with these moments of fear and that it’s a completely natural response to being indoctrinated about something as terrible as hell from such a young age
I’ll be praying for you..because demonic influence is real. So, don’t end up in 🔥🔥🔥.
@@stephanieallangarman5598 Who created demons again?
My uncle.a Vietnam veteran had a heart attack and during an operation he actually died for a couple of minutes and they brought him back to life.i visited him in hospital and was joking with him about weather he saw Elvis when was clinically dead.ill never forget him looking at me and saying mate,when you’re dead you’re dead.
He wasn’t dead for a few minutes. He was in a dying state, but not dead. Once you’re dead, you aren’t coming back.
@@DriverGuy23 Well, technically, you can be *clinically* dead but resuscitated. *Biological* death occurs around 4 to 6 minutes following clinical death, which is when the heart stops.
@@ulrichweiss9912 yes, but if your heart dead, you're still alive cause the brain is working.
usually when people say "they died" they mean brain death.
What sort of weather were you joking about? Rain, hail snow? And was this even appropriate after his operation?
I love what noah said about the inherent goodness of people.
Also good on Ben. I know the process he's been through and is going through is a tough one.
The Christian concept of Hell as a place of eternal punishment wasn't really a thing until St Augustine popularized it around 460AD (hundreds of years after Jesus). Before 460AD the word 'hell' translated as 'grave', which is why Jews don't believe in Christian hell. Christian hell is a medieval myth based on an ancient Greek/Roman myth.
I was raised Christian. My grandfather was a minister and later went higher in the church and my uncle is a bishop. My grandmother wanted me to be a minister very much. The very concept of hell is what first caused me to stop believing in the bible. The bible says that god is good but no good god would send people to eternal punishment. You have a direct logical impossibility. Once i started questioning that the whole thing unraveled. I was an atheist by 20.
What i think is the biggest bullshit is this sort of moralizing vagueness. oh i believe the nice stuff in the bible but the bad stuff is not to be taken literally. Either the bible is the god inspired word of a benevolent god or it is not. The middle ground is not intellectually justifiable. I have more respect in some ways for Christians who believe the bible every word is true. At least they're trying.
You belieive that because someone convinced you it was true.
The Jews, Christians and Moslems believe in the same god. That is a fact. Yet the same god has 3 different religions with 3 main books and probably thousands of factions. So it is normal to have Jews not believing in hell and Christians and Moslems having seperate hells.
Now that is total man made bullshit PERIOD
@@keithherring7677 - can you explain that a bit? Like do you want to see some sources for my claims?
How do we weigh one form of convincing over another?
I feel bad for children that are forced to follow their parents delusions.
My eyes flashed over the title and I saw, "Near Death Experiences, Threats of Mormonism..."
Matt's logic is so quick and sharp. I love him.
In the immortal words of "my" God, "Religion poisons everything."
Hitch
@@fathertime2020 Slap
Matt is cluey bloke.
He knows his stuff the kid seems smart enough to make a wise decision after this little conversation
👍🏻🍻
I'm always saddened to see how religions instill lifelong irrational fears in people. Ben seems to be one of the few who will be able to find his way out of religion.
Since there’s non doubt religion mentally scars people, why do we tolerate subjecting children to it?
The thing is, you also get thousands of people having NDEs that come back claiming there is no hell at all, so, NDEs seem to be quite individualized and mayby tell much more about the own self, than about a general truth applying to all
If the Hell of never-ending unbearable torture exists; .. there is NO Heaven,,, or NO One is in Heaven,,, or those in Heaven have had their brain altered in a way that makes them Happy Idiots...… Knowing that some combination of your kid, your father or mother, your close friend and your favorite Uncle are in perpetual agony, could never be bliss.
Exactly- I never understood how believers don't seem to allow themselves to consider this.
Is that all so heaven doesn't end up a failed state again? Where some angels rebelled? Didn't seem very perfect...
It's my hypothesis that we have already been judged and that this life (here and now) is Hell.
Let me explain as it has all the hallmark properties of Hell that we prescribe:
1) Unlimited pain and suffering, injustice, et. al...
2) An innate desire to never leave this place (fear of death).
3) We're all doomed to be reincarnated as cock roaches or spiders.
;-P
As Matt Dillahunty often states, the christian god is a thug, lacking basic morality and empathy; the bible calls on its followers to become more like god; therefore christians strive to become thugs, and can therefore be happy while others (including loved ones) suffer.
Reasonable Speculation I’m pretty sure you’re supposed to be reborn and unaware of your life on Earth therefore you don’t even remember loved ones.
Sleep paralysis can make u see some trippy shit. I know I was once convinced I saw and felt the devil trying to pull me down while I was in that mental state. A very very realistic hallucination, but a hallucination nonetheless.
How do you know this was a hallucination?
@@gyanlanevsky92 BRUH 😂
@@gyanlanevsky92 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
when God gives you a chance to see the devil with your eyes open so you could believe good and evil exists , and that God and the devil exists yet you dont believe your own eyes and think it s a hallucination. I am sorry, how can God possibly convince a person like you that he exists? Now, you re healthy all you think about is life but life is short anyway, I guess if you face hell you would still think it is a hallucination for a while before you realize it s not.
I am a muslim and I too have experienced this sleep paralysis for almost 18 years even though I never believed before that someone could see the devil with his own eyes, but things escalated through the years and got even worse. Those demons were talking to me when I felt paralyzed by them, they were scratching me, pulling me, I could feel the physical pain and cry, I could open my eyes and see their horrible figures. My sleep was constantly interrupted, they told me many times to stop making my prayers. I have a PhD degree in Biology, I admit it s weird but I can t deny something in my life that became a fact.
I had a peaceful life before but after that, I went into a very very deep depression because it was hapening to me several times per night and no one no doctor no scholar could help me. When I was reading some specific verses in my mind they would leave me alone, they could hear it. I tried once to read the prayers upon Prophet Mohamed I thought they will kill me, I almost stoped breathing from the heaviness on my chest. A demon said to me, if you don t stop, I will disfigure your face so I stoped because I was afraid.
I cried many nights alone for such a long time saying why me, I am a good person, I never hurt anyone and here are some demonic creatures torturing me and I can t even express myself and tell people. Then, I started dreaming about God telling me that he hasn t forsaken me and that he let them do what they did to see if I would still praise him after that, and that there are many levels in Haven and that he wanted me to be in the highest ones if I would accept the challenges he has put upon me and if I could still be thankful which was not easy for me. I started thanking the Lord everyday with all my heart and even when they caught me I was thanking him instead of reading verses. I was thanking him for the good things and also for the things that appeared to be bad in my life, I sad to him I am sure of your wisdom. I started noticing that it wasn t hapening as often as before, and now, very rarely. Thank you Lord, you made me much more brave and stronger than I could ever imagined
Hell, another tool used to control you.
Some people think this world is Hell.
Keep going Ben. You will be happy you did.
I have been clinically dead on three totally separate occasions. The first occasion I had no idea that I had died on the operating table until the surgeon told me three weeks later. The second two were planned heart stoppages in theatre that I knew about before hand and prepared myself mentally to try and remember any out of body experience. I got nothing, absolutely zip. I'm thankfully the resurrected living evidence that its total bull doo doo.
I just got this video to 1k likes! Thanks for what you do as well as everyone else who helps to make this content as it helps so many people. I use to be Mormon myself and so it’s always fascinating to listen to what a Mormon has to say when they call in. Great video!
I think that all scripture of all religions should have printed on front cover the words FOR INTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY!
One of the most effective ways to get away from hellfear (as well as ghost stories) is to continually listen in these testimonies, for anything that cannot possibly exist in a spiritual realm. In other words, if someone says that demons were ripping at their shirt sleeves, ask how a shirt has enough of a spiritual life to be in hell. If a person says that their eyes were burning before they even got into the chambers of hell, ask yourself how eyes can exist, and how do they sense pain if the brain is a physical entity connected to a nervous system. And then make a vow that anytime you hear someone mention something physical in a spiritual realm, to know that they're making shit up. And stop listening to it.
Pointing out that memories, short term and especially long term, cannot be formed in the state of death. The likely scenario is the experiences are more 'coming to life' ones as the brain starts to perceive light again and oxygen is returning to the brain. As the brain sorts out coming back on line any scenarios are possible including imagining you were just away somewhere.
But he was never dead, but simply near death.
Beej Price sounds like you had an experience?
And after this call the guy becomes incredibly fearful of aliens.
Matt: "You missed the point."
Great talk. I hope Ben is doing well
The vast majority of NDEs are non religious and positive.
Near death experiences are just that - near death experiences. They are like almost falling off a cliff. The biological computer running inside one's head is not damaged to the point where it can't produce consciousness ever again. Please let me talk to someone who has been dead for 20 years and who's body has completely decomposed. Call me when you find one. I'll wait.
@THE PEOPLE SING except energy is physical. It is part of and seemingly inseparable from the physical universe.
Take a look at NDERF home page 4600 testimonys of peaple who have died and come back to life.
@@davesavedbyjesus8244 How long were they dead Dave? And were they really dead? Like no brain activity for months and their brains completely destroyed. Were any of them involved in a major airplane accident where the plane flew into the ground at 500 MPH? I would think not. Personally I've never had a "near death experience" myself but I could still give testimony to have had one. Any extraordinary claim like having a near death experience would have to be carefully examined scientifically to see if there is sufficient evidence to prove it was real. Otherwise you would have to dismiss it as just someone saying something they want to believe.
@@davesavedbyjesus8244 I don't care about what other people claim to have experienced. I care about what they can prove they experienced.
@@joevignolor4u949 yes to all of the above questions these things have happened.
And yes heart stopped clinically dead.
Cursory search for "Muslim Hell" shows that it is at least partially a place of fire. So they might be describing their own concept of hell, and christians hear about it and think "They're describing our hell, so that's evidence that it's real."
Interestingly, the norse version of hel is a place of cold and ice, as opposed to the middle-eastern versions that are places of heat and fire. It's almost like each region bases their hel/hell on the environmental hazards they fear. After all, I imagine if you lived in a desert, you'd probably welcome the cold, not fear it.
When did they break down the book of Mormon chapter by chapter? I would like to see that
I know individual experiences don't equal proof, but I and my older brother are both exMormons and we both have died or nearly died in the ER, but neither of us experienced anything except quickly passing out and coming to a day later in a hospital bed. There were no visions or dreams or anything. We just happened to get resuscitated, or we would have just died and never woken up. I suspect that our "near death" experiences are common.
The brain is an amazing organism. It can create almost any image, idea, experience, emotion, feelings, etc. It can and does feel real to the person experiencing those things. The rational person knows this and tries to decipher reality and the truth in their thoughts. That is why the more you know about the real world and how things exist (quality education and life experiences) the easier it will be for you to understand life's truths.
1:10 "There's no rationality to Christianity to me at all."
Another Theist, gets it. Welcome to the real world and rationality.
You made the right realization and came to the right conclusion as well.
Don't let theists of any kind tell you that they are rational with their faith or beliefs just because they say they are. So far, they never have been able to argue their faith or beliefs without committing fallacies. Usually a theist will make Arguments from personal experience, Ad hominem attacks or arguments, Argument from authority, Argumentum ad populum, Arguments from antiquity and unfalsifiable arguments. All of those types of arguments, are fallacies. They are illogical and irrational.
I make it my amusement to call out fallacies as I see them when I can. Clearly explaining and demonstrating how it's a fallacy and sometimes I even give another example of the fallacy, using another Deity or being, to clearly illustrate the argument's fallacy.
I've never heard of anyone describing a scientist as charismatic but preachers and used car salesmen are often described as charismatic I guess if you're selling bad products or lies, it helps to be charismatic/CONvincing. amen
Well o be fair aliens don't threaten your "eternal soul" with torture
They're too busy threatening your external hole with torture.
Been had it right. We lie to ourselves and then we come to believe it. He has lied to himself repeatedly about the truth of Jesus Christ and he’s come to believe it. Ben, your heart is being tugged on over those near death experience videos about Jesus because they’re true and your spirit is telling you their true spirit. Follow your heart. Read the Bible and ask Jesus to show you the truth in the word. He will. Be blessed.
I like this guy. He seems to be trying to learn the truth.
What a lovely young man.
When I was a Christian and started to doubt this stuff, hell was the easiest thing to get rid off. The way I was taught about God was that he loved every one equally, This idea of Hell contradicted that. I felt that there's no way a good and moral God would torment someone forever for not worshiping him. I felt like that was evil, something I felt God at the time, wasn't.
I'd like to know if Ben has resolved his issues a year and a half later.
I read (Where Troy Once Stood, by the author I. Wilkes) an interesting argument once about the origins of the terms heaven and hell. The ancient peoples from the North Sea shores apparently called the North Sea 'hell', as still witnessed today by the many geographical names around the North Sea that are etymologically similar to hell: Hull, Helgoland, Hellevoetsluis, Holland. In those days (maybe some 1500 BC) the North Sea was a dangerous sea to navigate with the nautical technology of that time. Therefore, 'hell' was a place of danger, hardship, suffering and death. Contrast that to 'heaven', with is etymologically related to 'haven', or port; 'heaven' is a place of safety, warmth, comfort, abundance, homecoming to loved ones.
1500 Years is sufficient time for the stories of heaven and hell to travel from western Europe to the Middle East, but also enough time to lose their original factual/geographic meaning and become concepts. A concept that can be neatly incorporated in a religion!
Do you think that "heaven" and "hell" are ideas that evolved from sailing or do you think the terms "heaven" and "hell" came from sailing
@@michaelbarnes5771 The names referred to actual places, and people familiar with those places told stories about them. The stories then travelled over time to regions unfamiliar with the actual geographic places, and in that process, heaven and hell became metaphorical places rather than actual geographic places.
@@@michaelbarnes5771 The terms (likely) existed as words for actual places (heaven = haven = port, and North Sea = hell). And of course sailors told stories about them. And those stories traveled, over time and over distances. These days one would say that the story went viral. Over time and over distance the stories became detached from their original geographic context, and became metaphorical, became concepts: good people (sailors) reach heaven, bad people (sailors) perish in hell.
I get what you're saying but the words "heaven" and "hell" aren't in the original Greek and Hebrew texts that bibles are translated from. The words translated as heaven are shamayim and ouranos while the words translated as hell are gehenna and sheol.
@@michaelbarnes5771 Once the concept (good people go to heaven, bad people perish in hell) has become a meme, it can of course be translated to any language that was spoken at that time. The important part is that that concept had become a meme. Had the concept NOT become a meme, NOT become metaphorical, than the "heaven" in the story would have been translated with the Greek / Hebrew / Aramaic word for port, and "hell" would have been described as a faraway sea.
This and people getting exorcisms is literally the two things cant nobody explain
I have a bigger fear for alien abduction, than ending in hell.
You Never know, if a legal alien enter your house, and takes you away.
This was a breath of fresh air. Keep up the good work, even though it's almost never as harmonious. Thanks Matt!
I go one further when debating with Christians about hell.
If Christians honestly believe they are a sinner that deserves punishment then they should accept whatever punishment their God says they deserve.
If they truly believe they've committed a crime, they should do the time.
Not let someone else do it for them, that is cowardice.
That's the difference between myself and Christians, I'd accept responsibility and take the punishment if I truly knew I was guilty, I wouldn't allow someone else to take it on my behalf.
If my child did something wrong at school, I wouldn't accept another child to take his punishment.
Oh, ok so you'd rather be in eternal torment than take the Jesus way out? Why would it matter that you kept your moral code, if hell is eternal? I think it would be easy to say that you'll do you'd time, but if hell is real and you find out, you'll collapse into a pile of hopelessness and beg for mercy like the rest of us. ;)
@@rickyanthony
If God exists and thinks I deserve eternal torment then yes.
That's my point, I don't think Christians truly think God's punishment is fair yet they'll argue that it is all day, yet at the first opportunity they get to avoid it they hide behind a scapegoat and say thank-you for not punishing me.
Because they're cowards!!!
If you really believe you're guilty, and you really think god is just, then accept your punishment from him.
@@rickyanthony Unfounded assertion Fallacy. Your claiming something unproven.
hegyak Me? What was my claim?
What, accept this contract that blood has to cover sins, and that those only exist because fallen angels were sent to where they could do harm?
People are good in spite of religion....
That is the truth my friend. :)
Ben, I had a Near Death Out of Body Experience. I'm also active LDS. My experience was real and not a dream. It was also very much in harmony with LDS Doctrine on life after death and the Plan of Salvation. I was eight years old when I had my experience and since that time, things have happened throughout my life, which continue to confirm beyond coincidence the truth of my experience and that of LDS Doctrine. Need answers Ben? Ask God Himself, with faith in Jesus Christ. Podcasts, Talk Shows, Mediums, the philosophies of men and all things of the flesh separate or combined cannot give you answers which can bring you peace. Only God can! He will honor your questions. Seek and Ask, then patiently wait with Faith in Jesus Christ for the answer which will present itself after the trial of your faith. The process is real and DOES WORK and God DOES ANSWER!
Thanks for the post Russell. I am investigating the church. It’s refreshing to see positive stuff. Almost everything on TH-cam about lds stuff is negative. Can you please go into your other experiences ? If you have time. Thank you.
Please explain how you "know" it wasn't a dream or hallucination
the only reason people have a vision of a hell or a heaven is because they've been told their whole lives what it is going to be like. There is no such thing as heaven and hell, just here now.
I can relate to this guy a lot 😥
Sorry to hear that! I was a Mormon for 28 years but it was over after learning many things in the Internet.
Greetings fellas. Love the show. 😎
The most important thing to know about a near death experience is that nobody really died. This means that they did not really go anywhere. It is a medical situation that is similar to a dream state.
Noah kind of looks like a mix between Rationality Rules and Brendan Fraser.
The Book of Mormon is "wacky and boring", heck of a book review 👍🏿😂
Seer stones in the magic hat is less believable than near death dreams.
This was a great discussion. I was not brought up Christian and the whole nonsense of heaven/hell deamons, satan, I thought were metaphor.
They aren't metaphors ,they are real ive seen and heard enough and been honest enough with myself to know this , and isn't ultimate justice a good thing, you think of all the evil thate been perpetrate against people of ever the centuries, if there is no ultimate justice they all get away with it ,is that fair, I think not , in your world new they do
Poor Ben, he knows the truth and is struggling, but the devil is on the prowl.
No this guy is getting his logic and reasoning back slowly!
Nde stories seem like eyewitness testimony. You don't really know if the stories are what they experienced, we just have to believe what they say they experienced.
I really want to see Matt debating David Wood regarding the existence of God and Jesus.
If he debates Jesus . He'll get destroyed. Jesus has too much evidence of his existence.
@godisalie ... Jesus ( Yeshua ) was revered as God in the flesh .... National Geographic and Scientific American have said " The abundant historical references leave us with little reasonable doubt that Jesus lived and died. "
“I don’t know any mainstream scholar who doubts the historicity of Jesus,” said Eric Meyers, an archaeologist and emeritus professor in Judaic studies at Duke University. “The details have been debated for centuries, but no one who is serious doubts that he’s a historical figure.”
you can research those quotes yourself.
@godisalie alright fair enough. Just research and discover more about Yeshua. I still haven't seen a person yet, who was clinically pronounced dead by a whole city, and then seen alive days later by over 500 eye witnesses. I still haven't found anyone who is willing to die for the sins of other people. Would you? ... What evidence is there for Jesus’ divinity? The first is that of His sinless life-something only God could do. The Bible says Jesus was “tempted in every way, just as we are-yet was without sin” (Hebrews 4:15). Then there is the evidence of His miracles that demonstrated the power of God.
. . . Put dramatically but with not too much exaggeration: if the miracle tradition from Jesus' public ministry were to be rejected in total as unhistorical, so would every other Gospel and Historical document about him.
@godisalie and his name is YESHUA ( Jesus )
@@Phil360 True, there has been no one that has been dead for more than a day and came back to life, so why are you believing that Jesus did came back to life? What evidence do you have outside the Bible, that Jesus came back to life after 3 days? Blind assertion on Jesus, God and the devil does not mean they exist. You have said Jesus is without sin just as God? What evidence do you have for a God so we could investigate it? Witness statement is lowest level of evidence in the current law on most countries. so i would suggest providing better evidence than statements from anonymous writers in the Bible.
How do I know people can be easily tricked by illusions; well I have memories of hovering off the ground and moving around the house. Only later did I realize the limitations on it was in my head and that I always had to go back to the place I took off from (I was basically day dreaming). But it looked so real so I believed it. It fell for the same short comings any day dream I have do; I can only go places I've been, numbers and words seem to be blurred out or as if I can't focus on them, I never see anyone else even though I live in a 6 person home, etc. Basically it was far too good to be true. Do wish it was true though./
@Scott Paulson like I said, it's more like I just spaced out and started imagining things. I figured that out because I couldn't just use it on demand and when I did it was as if I couldn't describe anything (again, just like if you just imagine yourself walking down a hallway from memory of it; nothing is distinct). Plus, pretty odd that I live in a family of 6, yet never see anyone while doing it. The mind is pretty interesting, but it sure isn't coherent.
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So, you're basically betting everything on these guys being right.
Tommy Harring .. You make a Strawman, Non-argument
@@keithherring7677 he has faith in them.
Jesus died on cross for our sins so a sin punishment is eternity in hell fire, we dont know how long a 3 day/3 nights on earth are actually in time spent in hell so dont be ignorant saying thats its not kind of a sacrifice
because death means wages of sins and lord jesus paid for our sin by death on cross
and god has no right talking about sin..he has committed sins and caused pain and misery to whole nations and took away people for trivial reasons
Gotta say, living a bit off the beaten path now and not in an area with a single chuch, I do kind of miss the JV's and mormons knocking on by door on Sunday mornings. Always a good time to light a joint and listen to some fairy tails.
I have no idea about Mormonism. Not a single clue.
I've been told that prostitutes go to Hell.
I've also been told that I am going to Hell.
But the good news is that there is no money in Hell.
Result !
Hi hi,
I am one of the last Vikings and want to end up in "Valhall" of-course. I am very afraid of going to " Helheim " (the viking-hell) where the evil ugly woman "Hel" is the ruler.
What is worse than the flames in the christian hell, is that "Hel" has millions of beautiful kind, positive. willing women there, but non of them has a hole.
otrondal I’ve always wondered about mythology and religion and the repeating theme of the ugly woman, young beautiful woman who turns into an old woman, the witch, hag, crone and all the other names for women who have past a time in life when we are preoccupied due to hormones (not every woman, of course) with reproduction and whether we are attractive to men and can use our brains for other things.
We become a hostile force set on taking power away from men or tormenting them. In horror stories one of the worst in western culture is the stunningly beautiful woman who changes into a crone as the man is about to kiss her. He is horrified. We are no longer under the spell of nature and this seems to be a threat, and so appears in myth. I think. I’m not in judgement of you for your post, I just noticed the common theme. I don’t know of a male counterpart in mythology or religion. Men/male gods retain vigor and potency indefinitely unless tricked by a woman..
Ben Dover you are more than a troll and I am busy right now flagging you and your violent comment.
@@sherribaker9739 I should catch up on mythology and see what it says about various things. Like your comment about how men don't get screwed over as much as women do. My guess is that would probably act as a reflection or commentary of the time. Where men were in control and women, were second class citizens or worse off.
When I began taking care of mentally ill people as a career, I also began to attract the craziest person in any community situation, stores, gatherings. They were drawn to me. This seems to be happening here on TAE, as you will note the trolls.
Ben Dover Exactly the kind of talk my patient’s talked. Almost word for word.
Utah is probably the most athiest friendly state. In my experience... Mormons are just not as confrontational as Christians are.
Ben is a good guy.
"If some god wants to send me to their hell, i couldn't stop him, he is a dick" man you are a legend 😂😂 thanks a lot for making my day 😂😂
I've actually experienced the afterlife for ten minutes, when my heart stopped.
Luckily I was in hospital being tested at the time, so I was quickly put on a machine.
So my organs were not damaged by lack of oxygen and I am perfectly ok now.
If you send me one dollar, I will tell you what it's like to be dead.
What's it like to be dead?
As Muslims, we couldn't possibly worship the wrong God, since our God is God the Father in Christianity (The God of Moses, Jacob, and Abraham)
Love that famous fluent flowing-haired fearless f*cking firebrand Noah Lugeons!
😊Thank You
Most of the Near death stories that I have listened to did not have hell i them. Atheists have experienced them and saw heaven or Jesus, or god, or simply just a place of love and total acceptance. there have been studies of this too and even people from very different cultures have similar experiences. Makes you think. I know that I will get pushback from this post, but that is okay. None of us really know what happens we actually die.
Holy shit sebastian bach is on the atheist experience kick ass ! Just kidding, no disrespect, great show.
I wonder if people have real friends in their lives, is there a true friendship?
Yes. It would seem if our family and friends love us, this love would be a constant, not snatched away at a sign of trouble or disagreement.
It's hard to get away from the organize religions. I had to deal with the former church members, my family still give me sht about it.but I'm glad I'm self liberated
it's good to see eddie van halen on the show
I disagree, Matt. The educational material you've put out on the show and elsewhere on Epistemology and Reason certainly helped me to better evaluate the facts.
If you've offered the tools by which one can make significant progress towards leading a more rational life (and it's my position you have), and we agree that leading rational life is more conducive to productive society, beneficial (in general) to health, happiness, etc. Then perhaps that reduction isn't as wrong as you might think.
I admire your humility, but I think you give yourself too little credit, in this instance at least. I'm an anecdotal extrapolative example of evidence contrary to the notion that following (some set) of "Dillahunty Gospel" does not lead to a better life. Perhaps not "wonderful and fruitful" lol
But certainly better than the vast majority of alternatives, I believe.
Ben is coming out of his delusion 👍👍
Rather, going further in one.
THE PEOPLE SING so because you haven’t personally experienced atheists helping you, that’s proof atheists don’t help people?
Not that this is a credible source, on an askreddit post most of the people who had a near death experience said they experienced nothing but fading away. Life never flash between their eyes no heaven no hell they just slowly faded out.
Not on NDERF home page
Do we have the same amount of Satan's as we do God's, or is it only the God's that are different?
Go listen to Howard Storm's NDE, he was a scholar and an atheist. Atheist, no more.
Anaphiel He was an atheist? Changed to a believer after an experience? Checking it out now.. seeing many videos with his name now.
Dear fucking hell. People are becoming Christian because of a hallucination.
And he still cant prove anything he asserts just like every other delusional religious person! They all just lie if they can not show the proof to their assertions! Feelings are not proof! Hallucinations are not proof! near death experiences are not proof! Unless you can show actual proof you are in fact lying to others!
Noah looks and sounds like David Lee Roth
the quran also said Jesus is the messiahs...
Noah with the Sebastian Bach vibes.
Matt is such a handsome dude. Noah Lugeons is kind good looking to.
Inherent good ? Who did we inherit it from ?
same place as dogs, elephants, and other social mammals
The meek, of course.
I don't have friends who are black because there are barely any black people where I live.
Why does TH-cam always give me adds to bible apps and christian podcasts/communities/shows every time I watch Atheist Experience videos? Your ad bots suck TH-cam!
Artificial *Intelligence* ....
It scans for key words and links between topics. TH-cam algorithm (may become sentient someday)
Oh wow I identify to much with this guy stay strong
Christian hell is highly depicted in movies tv cartoons so everyone has an idea of it.
Just curious. Why the Biblical texts aren't a good rebuttal against christian hell?
@Scott Paulson Simply asking a christian to show where in the Bible is written that you will suffer and burn for eternity should be enough.
Near death does not equal death. I can be near the ocean and never get my feet wet.
I just tell Christians what right do they and their God have to judge me when I don't believe in him or his Bible, even if he turned out to be real I still wouldn't worship him under such threats of eternal punishment. No parent would raise their child under such threats, it seems cruel and illogical for a God to act that way. Unless you add the concept of rather ignorant Men setting these rules and claiming God told them. They tend to leave me alone after that lol
Does god send animals to hell? Do strawberries have an afterlife? Would a just god really send anyone to hell? Find out on the next episode of drangon ball z.
All Life With Consciousness Have An AfterLife.
Would you rather spend eternity in heaven with miserable boring people or eternity in hel L chatting with great men like Einstein or hitchings?
Einstein and Hitchins will both be in heaven for advancing human thought and thinking.
It is idiots who deny science and want us to return to the iron age who will be cast down.
A theoretical heaven of course.
Don't go to hell no one will talk to you they are too buisy being tortured