Kinda backwards thinking here. If you take the stigma away you normalize it. So suicide is now a 'normal' and common thing? That's not gonna help the numbers 😅
Sorry when they say that they're only talking about when someone kill's themselves at school or some such occurrence. It is a social contagion.....if just generally talking about suicide....no it doesn't spread it.
This night I talked to a friend of mine about her past relationship partner's attempts. Just now I read another message of a friend of mine mentioning past suicide attempts as well, opened TH-cam, and this video is the first thing I see. If someone were to tell me that the Google has been tracking my sublingual body temperature up until now, I wouldn't doubt it.
Why is suicidality so confusing to some people? The simple fact of the matter is that life is ASS for a LOT of people, and there is very little avenue for change from that.
That's not a fact, but an opinion. Not to say it's invalid but often for people whom are struggling to understand depression I've found it comes from not being able to understand that some people struggle to see how they can change their life.
I read that people can often be suicidal and depressed, and the depression is the thing which prevents them from taking action in committing suicide, but then if say they start an antidepressant, it gives them the motivation now, and get up and go, to actually take their own life, as before, the depression was holding them back. Hence why it's a concern, prescribing for this group of patients.
Right. Because they come from that deep, psycho-motor exhaustion, and regain some energy and ability to move to begin with. Well enough to get up and do stuff, but not think outside of that depressed state.
@@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084yeah I went from pharmacodynamics (lsd and specifically 5ht2a and their relation to migraines, depression, schizophrenia, antagonists helping anxiety, hallucinogenic agonist =helping anxiety in controlled environments, all the way to being a major role in schizophrenia and modulation of everything from perception of reality to ability to stay calm in social settings) to particle physics. Chemistry gets very messy, litterally and figuratively. Biology by itself wasn't as captivating as quantum mechanics. This is a cool study though
As somebody who’s always wanted to kill myself but never been in a wrong enough place to done it, maybe just treat people by not gaslighting people who have the ability to change the into a corner of being “of suicidal ideology”?
@@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084precursors to being a piece of shit fascist. Look out buddy. Don’t find yourself locking people up who don’t want it is my advice for anyone wanting to live a long healthy life free of being stabbed in the neck by a “mentally ill” patient that you created yourself.
Isn't it interesting that this video was posted 13 years ago, but most of the comments have been in the past month? It's just kinda interesting to see the algorithm at work.
@@George-Aguilarinteresting. I did have a story come up in my feed about assisted suicide in Canada last week even though I've never searched that topic. Now this. Do they want us to off ourselves or what?
That's hilarious. Cops came to my house cause I made a suicidal post on a forum and they basically just threatened me saying they could take me in and also had me stand outside in the cold while they went through my room. At like 1 am. Oh I see it's for other cops.
I’m so sorry you went through that. Things in this world are so messed up, profits matter more than people, and the most unfit people have all the money and power. Please stay strong, if you believe in a higher power, ask for clarity, peace, protection and understanding. Peace
I've heard stories of suicidal people being forced into psych wards. Their phones get taken away and the staff have a 50/50 chance of being abusive. After release, they get hit with the bill.
@@lilium-orchid I volunteered myself to one once. They literally held me there against my will and told me if I left early my insurance wouldn't cover it. Worst choice I've ever made in life. Some of the nurses there had no idea why I was still there and told me to talk to the psychiatrist assigned to me. I talked to tons of people in charge. Wouldn't let me go. Psychiatrist there would give me like 10 seconds of time and just say you're doing good. The girls would come out crying after talking to him because we were all being held there against our will. People who were taken involuntarily had to go to court just to get out. Taken from their jobs and families. It was disgusting. I have no idea how they're allowed to do that. Also they mix normal people with those who have schizophrenia and whatnot. It's so stupid. First day there some guy was threatening people with a pencil. Great place. Oh and I also learned that social workers aren't on your side either. Was also during covid so my mom was only allowed to visit me once for 15 minutes with a nurse listening to us. There needs to be a lawsuit. I also became anemic during my time there because the food was so bad. So their fix for that was putting me on the "healthier" diet with even worse food. One of the nurses was amazed when I showed her how they couldn't even make scrambled eggs. It was like a watery mess.
@@lilium-orchidI wonder if you can get away with just not paying it. “I was effectively kidnapped. I’m not paying you for the privilege” sounds like a pretty good defence
You didn't choose to be born. I see this as an opportunity to say fuck it and see what all happens, possibly with some effort too. That's what keeps me from trying to cut my life short, because , man.... I've definitely felt like it way more often than I'm comfortable with
I’m a neuroscience major with a long history of mental health issues. The more I really look into the formal side of psychology the more problems I find with treating mental illness like it’s in a vacuum. It’s deeply bizarre to me how when dealing with issues such as anxiety and depression people treat it like emotions are irrelevant and unscientific, when the emotional state of the person is the problem at hand. Reading papers sometimes can get so uncomfortable when people just don’t talk about the subjects like they’re human, and especially in medical settings it’s always bizarre when things that provide comfort or make people generally feel better are dismissed as unnecessary in favor of cold utilitarian design, when making the person feel better emotionally is broadly the point. It really says something that this guy came up and talked about how “people are more likely to commit if something bad happens in their life and they don’t feel like it’s worth living” like it was a revelation unconsidered by all of science. I love psychology dearly but sometimes it needs to learn that sometimes people feel bad because their life sucks and not only because of some pathological illness (also even if it is caused by a pathological illness that needs medication to be treated, generally treating them like a human being and taking to account their emotional state is also important).
The way I heard some people talk about it in the media, they say it's a hormone imbalance and talk about it like it's a disease like cancer or something. The question is what it's caused by. I believe western individualism is a big cause as to why almost everyone looks at it this way. It's just insane to me when we see this increase in loneliness, depression and suicide and think that the solution is individual therapy, while the waiting lists for therapists grow and grow. It seems like we're trying to fix the symptoms of a sick society, instead of addressing the root causes. Individualist thinking is not going to help us get out of this pit
A frustrating amount of mental health issues stem from systemic poverty, a lack of financial security really goes a long way in reducing someone's quality of life.
What I want to know is this: why do people care if someone kills themselves? While alive, strangers can treat a person with aloof contempt without giving it a second thought, but if that same person then becomes suicidal, society at large suddenly cares whether or not that person is able to end things. I think the answer is that when someone becomes suicidal, they become larger than an individual person who is able to be fit into a box by society at large. They become a person who has transcended society by choosing, in the most drastic and irreversible way, to reject it in its entirety. I think the reason why we cannot allow people to make their own choices about when to die - even those who we can admit have a justifiable reason for doing so, such as the elderly and infirm - is that we cannot allow such a negation of the seemingly innate meaning of society to take place. We see suicide as an attack on the foundation of our human conceit - that life has an inherent meaning.
It's silly, imo. Nothing is worth that kind of stress or self isolation. People just want too much. So many people out there wanting a friend, or love, or adventure, or respect, whatever one's pain. You can just ignore it all and choose to be happy, choose to disregard negative forces. Think about trafficking victims, slaves, people who's loved ones are murdered, families going from war to refugee camp, to foreign country and culture, child abuse, all these people live among us, and are doctors, politicians, bakers, etc. I can't speak for you, but these thoughts make me wonder how I can be sorry about anything. The attacks I've suffered completely suck, and are totally negatively affective to my life, but none of it is that bad. These people not only survive, they are there for their children etc. and are usually the best moral people. Of course, the culmination of all the damage creates more damage, and is the source for the sickness in our culture that has cost me so much. But we can't blame other victims. Especially now I just credited them with saving my life by giving me the perspective to maintain some humility. You have to beat fear. You do that with courage. Courage is the Key emotion related to Honor. You can practice your courage through practicing Honor. That means things like telling the Truth even when it's embarrassing or will cause stress, or may cause a reaction in some one. Face it, face that fear. Think about your daily habits, and your actual values, are you really honoring what you believe? Make that change no matter how scary. You will find things don't go the way you thought ty would, and you will have more courage to do i again, in a bigger spot, etc. Honor takes courage. And courage conquers fear. Courage leads to the light, fear leads to the dark. They are polar opposites in our search for Truth. You must foster, build, nurture the courage in you. You must, or you will be in the darkness. Good luck Peace
Well, I'm guessing the reason that French sociologist didn't focus on Schizophrenia and depression is two-fold: society didn't have a good understanding of mental illness, let alone schizophrenia and depression, in 1897. Second, he was a sociologist, not a psychologist; he didn't study the brain or individual metrics of well-being, he prioritized social factors that can be attributed to society.
Society had a pretty good understanding of mental illness and we have a better understanding because of these efforts. We have actually gone backwards quite a bit in the last decade or so in regards to our understanding due to the fraudulent contributions of post modernist psychology.
@@Loreweavver Totally agreed. This guy's equation, as someone who was nearly ready to commit suicide about a decade ago, is highly accurate. I had anomie in multiple ways, I had altered state through serious sleep deprivation, I was depressed to the Nth degree, but I wasn't desperate. I started to become desperate at one point, and I fortunately had the awareness to call my mom and ask for help. If I didn't, that desperation surely could have pushed me over the edge, and I believe it would have.
@@anthonyantoine9232 sleep deprivation is big. Also, isolation. Those two things can be more destructive than any drug as the effects are insidious and creep up on one without them noticing unlike a drug or alcohol that one knowingly and willingly ingest.
@@Loreweavver Yes! Isolation is also pretty key, I think. I lived with a couple roommates at the time, but I isolated myself from that most of the time.
Makes me realise how grim of a game hangman really is. Childrens games often have dark backgrounds. But rarely is it so clearly seen in the modern version
@@daanstrik4293 I remember about the flash game that I play as a kid is full of violence, gore, drug, suicide, sexual/nudity, mass killing, animal harm
Been bed rotting for 6 or 7 years now. My will to live has grown so weak that I have to consciously remind my body to breath from time to time. Woke up gasping for air and a elevated heart rate very early this morning.
@@keith86ify Go camping and hiking for 5 days in a place with bad cell reception and I swear to god your will to live will come back. You just need to disconnect for a while and reset, no different than a computer
My brother was mp, and now he is moving on to civilian police. I've spent many nights on the phone with him. I love him, I care for him. I need to be someone in his life that he can come to without fear or shame. I need to learn this, because he will need me to have learned this. I let a battle buddy down once. I cant let that happen to him.
I don't know your story but j hope you don't beat yourself up too much about the loss of your friend. Maybe you could have made a difference, but regardless our society does a very bad job preparing us for supporting a suicidal person and that's not your fault at all
I think it simply boils down to Loss of Emotional/Thought/Meaning Control What the professor showed makes sense, but it doesn't cover the whole picture. Depression might be the most common cause of suicide because it takes on the emotional/logic/meaning side of a person, but if there is a distinction between these three the thing becomes more complex For example, if someone has tried everything to solve their issues, but their condition keeps worsening and they can't really see a way out anymore, the emotional side shuts down and it makes sense to suicide on a logical level. At that point I believe there's no turning back, unless the person is forcefully brainwashed to rewire the thought process in a more positive way, as he will never see a way out on his own Or when someone feels so good he wouldn't care to die in that specific moment as he would've experienced the very peak life had to offer and everything would be downhill from there on. Especially in extreme episodes of Mania, a person can feel so good life loses its material meaning, so it becomes easier to slip and commit suicide so the happiness never ends Or if there is a clear disconnection with the external reality, and delusions are in play, a person could believe he wouldn't die with a bullet to the brain, for example, so he could try it and accidentally commit suicide But in every single case there is a neglect in personal needs either consciously or not, which then transforms itself in a loss of control based on the situation and events and can end up into suicide based on the intensity of the whole thing These are my thoughts and personal insights about the matter after years of introspection and talking with other suicidal patients
"most of them are not suicidal, they're just depressed" um, bro, I can guarantee you that most of them are. We just don't say it out loud because that gets us 5150'd
People often differentiate "no will/reason to live" and "being suicidal" I am no profession, but from my experience the former is the early stage of suicidal tendencies
@@headBookBookExactly that. Just because somebody isn’t suicidal *yet* doesn’t mean they aren’t well on their way to doing it anyway. The line between “I don’t want to live like this” , “I don’t want to live” , and “I want to die” are very thin
This is like slapping a band aid on a deep cut. What if people are doing this because the entire SYSTEM we’ve created is a nightmare? But sure, it’s only a personal problem…
Because only those who haven’t emotionally developed blame it on a big covert conspiracy. The system won’t change itself for you. Realising that is a fundamental part of growing up. Sure, depression impedes that process - but it is borne out of selfish thinking.
The issue is not just the system we created, it is the system of nature itself that leads to our suffering. If we could just create a utopia then nobody would have any reason to exploit others and everyone would want to build such a utopia but there is seemingly no path towards such a utopia and so instead we fight to be at the top of the exploitation game because exploitation will happen anyway and we would rather not be the ones being exploited. The universe is seemingly a zero sum game; everything gained comes with an equal loss. Work never pays off because you will always lose more energy than you can gain from working. The workaround is to exploit, to steal, to gain that which you did not put in. We have no choice but to exploit, one way or another, or else we gain nothing.
@@JupaI agree up until the “selfish thinking” part. Depression often spawns from a desire to do better (Both to themselves, but especially others). Its part of why shame was mentioned as an important factor. Often depressed people continue to live for others long after their selfish wishes turned to death.
"Psychology/Psychiatry measures a person's adaptation to the society in which they find themselves. No inquiry, however, is made as to that society's adaptation to the natural order of things"- Hubert Benoit- "Zen and the Psychology of Transformation"
I remember in 2008/2009 during the big crash and recession working near a railway line. Saw 2 people jump to their deaths in short succession. The railway company had to put up fences to make the high speed line platforms empty.
On the “anomie”, psychiatry should be ashamed for being so incompetent and blind as to totally disregard the existential aspects of someone’s mental state.
@@petarpejic1468 psychiatry is very similar to religion. There is a priest class. There are practices, ethics, morals, sins, rituals, etc. For the belief system to function properly, it requires a large degree of faith from the average person. I wouldn’t really try to convince the average person of any of that, as I don’t want to be alienated like an apostate.
@DavidConnerCodeaholic uuh I agree so much with this. I've been in a day clinic for a couple of weeks now and it's wild to see all the parallels, even though the doctors and psychologist really don't (want to) see it. It's a religion that tries to be based on science; but you'll have to make so many leaps of faith to trust the caretakers and what they're saying..
@@DavidConnerCodeaholicexcept psychiatry is verified by empirical evidence. Whatever else goes into it due to external ideological distortions (think of big pharma, or very suspicious research articles), not because the subject itself is somehow inherently "religious". Everything needs faith in practices to a certain degree; you have faith that your car won't suddenly blow up upon starting even if it is a possibility. Whatever stands as a justification for a belief is nothing more than another belief. People forget that psychiatry, and all of medicine really is not only a science, but also an indendent social practice, like the law or education. It has some elements of research, and others which are strictly practical, and the mediation between the two is an extremely delicate matter.
My life is exactly how i wanted it to be with every peice seemingly falling perfectly in place with basically no problems yet still every day i fight with suicidal thoughts. Its crazy how mental illness is usually harder than life.
As someone that studies psychology on the side but has had past struggles with depression and ideation; The core issue often leads to how the individual was treated as a child and the traumas they have survived through. Alot of people are operating from a shitty life that they have valid reasons to feel like things have been unfair. But no matter how unfair life has been, you can always rise from the ashes to do better and be better. Because no one should let those that hurt you or failed to help you be the death of you.
"You can always rise from the ashes." Do you know how many homeless people end up starving or otherwise dying to violence or the lack of shelter? Almost half of the US population spends their entire lives in poverty for a reason; The money never trickles down. Furthermore, here's a source: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5831185/ Notice in the discussion: Almost all of the factors that contribute to mortality, especially the ones driven by poverty, are ALSO in the equation for potential found in this video. Telling someone to "rise from the ashes" won't help when their body and heart are decaying and failing due to circumstance alone. (Study: "Cardiovascular disease was the most prevalent cause of death..." which can be caused by many many factors. See: www.who.int/health-topics/cardiovascular-diseases#tab=tab_1 ) People know when they're dying a slow painful death, it's bold to say that they're mistaken when we have studies on the prevalence of said deaths...
@@fenjohrer Well, here is the crux of it. While you are correct that there are people that are often overly blaming things outside of themselves, rational people don't go out of their way to blame things on everybody else. When someone is emotionally stable, there's a certain level of accepting ones own part to play in things and that taking it out on someone else would be rude and isn't mature. But life can be difficult for everyone and requires some emotional processing, acceptance and maybe even some problem solving. When people haven't learned how to do that or they have received let's say a difficult childhood where their parents repeatedly insult them and traumatize them over and over, then they go out of their way to complain and blame things other than themselves, because they have all this chaos inside themselves they are projecting out into the world. Then depression may come from a lack of ability to change that, to change all the negative things in life, in the world or about theirself. But in reality their perception of those things is a hyper focus of the most negative aspects of life and isn't looking at things from other perspectives. Sometimes they don't even have depression and become narcissistic egomaniacs that want to control everything so that they never have to feel bad about themselves. Lol What I'm ultimately trying to say is that it is nuanced and very complicated, everyone handles trauma differently. There are both biological and environmental conditions that influence a person's emotional reactivity and ability to function normally.
"It then remains for us to specify the attitude of immanent philosophy towards the man who takes his own life and towards the criminal. How easily the stone falls from one's hand onto the grave of the man who has killed himself, how difficult in contrast was the struggle of the poor man who laid himself so well to rest. First he cast from afar an anxious glance at Death and turned away in horror; then, trembling, he skirted Him in wide arcs; but with each day the distance grew smaller and smaller until finally he threw his tired arms around Death's neck and looked Him in the eye: and in those eyes was a peace, sweet peace. Whoever can bear the burden of conscious existence no more, let him cast it off. Whoever can hold out no longer in the carnival hall of life-or, as Jean Paul says, in the great servants’ quarters of the world-let him step out through the ever opened door into the still night." - Philipp Mainländer
You are one quick sleeper. Either that or you have autoplay and managed to get it playing again? If it's the latter I'd be buying a lottery ticket, like yesterday.
I looked it up out of curiosity and rates actually go DOWN during the months surrounding US presidential elections. My armchair theory is that it's something for people to care about. It can inspire passion, even if that's passionate rage, there's a communal element to be found in it, and a lot of exposure to election rhetoric about hope, the future, and looking forward with optimism could be effective in challenging negative thoughts. For sure is interesting!
I deal with chemical depression, take meds for it from time to time. I can tell when my depression hits, I get serious suicidal ideations. One of the main things that keeps me from actually doing it. I’ve heard survivors of suicide say, right when I jumped, I had remorse for my actions. And while falling to I thought was going to be my death, I wanted to live. So even in our gravest, darkest times in our minds, we still Cleve to life. Hope that helps, every time I think about doing it, there’s something that occurs after that makes me glad I didn’t. Believe it or not, there are things in life worth living for and if you do it, guess what? No one will care.
@@tacitozetticci9308 this big song and dance you are doing in these TH-cam comments is a sad example of your own mental state. Take care of yourself, son.
You will come to realize that its actually better to know the knowabouts, as this serves as insights in what to tweak, recognise and shut uff, or improve. It actually automatically gets easier to overcome certain hurdles or to recognize and grant it some time to pass. The tunnel looks endless if you don't get exposed to such insights and all that.
The only time I want to "Opt Out" is when my basic needs are not being met....which is like 80% of the time. We are all stretched thin. Hang in there. ✌️ (Basic needs as in food and shelter.... I have no stability anymore..... that's just how it is now at 53)
I lost a close friend and my own mom to suicide. In both cases, the sudden relaxed and happier demeanor was there. Both times, I mistaked that for them getting better. Any sudden change in people's default behaviour really worries me now.
I don't really feel bad for anyone that has the power to legally destroy anothers life and barely has the literacy or basic competency to know how rules and laws work. And thanks to this guy there's now a programmable formula for something we as a species shouldn't be able to control
that "programmable formula" has always existed for limited contexts for all of human history. People learn how to wield trauma and abuse from the time theyre children lol.
I will never see another therapist again. Its up to you to handle your own shit. They're uptimately there for the paycheck.. take meds if you want but its up to you to fix yourself.
Exactly that. Bunch of spinless dung sacks enabling this rancid system. Look at Japan. They're considered a few decades ahead of the USA and let's see. Dwindling birth rates with soaring self termination rates. Oh boy almost like everything in place is unnatural. All of this trash. This phone. The jobs. The politics. The fake food. The crime. The corruption. The poisons in our goods. I can go on. Today is trash. Everything about it is absolute garbage.
I once heard a police man summarize it really simply. 'Cant change myself. It wont change by itself. Nobody can/will change it.' With constant pain. Its like jumping out of a building in fire. Its not that the jump is safer, is that the fire is too much.
Personally, i always considered it Pain Math. Will flushing my frog hurt more than living the rest of my predictable life? Naturally there are a number of variables that are set to change; available methods, altered life course and circumstances, etc. So far I've decided that flushing my frog with the methods available will be more painful than continuing to live under my current circumstances, so i live. Someday that might change.
I knew this years ago after figuring out the basic operating principle of humans, we look towards the easiest way towards our desired outcomes according to our value judgments. Put simply, if someone kills themself, it’s usually because it was (in their view, right or wrong) the most expedient way to achieve their goal, whatever it may be, even if it harms them (which explains why addicts are a thing). So the solution would be, fundamentally, to get people to step back and properly look at and attempt alternate solutions to the problem, *or* realise the problem was nonsensical to begin with. Bit callous, but the rationale is sound.
Hey, it's not so callous. Lots of the time suicidal people simply want to not be suffering anymore. Helping people live in less pain is a good goal. And oftentimes it's far easier and more effective to help others than it would be for everyone to help themselves.
that presumes suicide is irrational. There isnt any way to determine this ultimately, which is why intelligent people still commit suicide. The issue here isnt callousness, its arrogance in your faith that life is valuable. Although, its not an uncommon view despite having no fundamental basis for the last 100-200 years.
@@badabing3391It’s a reasonable assumption for the vast majority of cases. Even intelligent people can be in severe anguish that at the time feels insurmountable. I’ve been in situations where I hurt so badly I would’ve ended it, but looking back I’m glad I didn’t because I was only able to think in the short term due to pain. Maybe some people do sanguinely perform the grim calculus but I doubt that’s true most of the time. Whatever is happening has to overcome our innate instinct for self-preservation, which is an irrational instinct. Hard to overcome instinct with rationality and argumentation.
@@daymar3 i dont disagree that under a persons own worldview suicide is often irrational, but i do think a large portion of people who commit suicide do so for at least good reasons if not totally rational ones. If your life has been on the downswing for over a decade, its not irrational to assume it will likely not get back to a level that youd care to live for, even if its technically coincidental. Problems compound, theyre rarely isolated events.
I've been in some deep depression, and I'm about as deep as I've ever been right now, but I would never commit su1c1de. There's no telling what remains in the future, and I'll never gamble against my own curiosity.
I love myself a lot but buried that feeling, deep, deep inside to protect it, deep enough that I forgot about it If I die, that feeling dies with me, and that feeling and the person I was back when I felt it, they don't deserve to die
Hey this is true! I was suicidal and I do think my atheism made me more desperate because I felt like I was 100% responsible for whatever happened to me. Was already depressed, so that helped things along too. Good times
I feel like in certain situations religiosity can make suicide more likely though, dependent on the religious belief. Like, if you believe in reincarnation, then self-terminating is basically just a do-over button, right? I've also heard of situations in ancient Norse cultures where old or injured soldiers would challenge someone more competent than them to combat so that they could die in battle. This could be considered a kind of suicide by combat.
@@eslaweedguygrey Good point. I do know that in Hinduism (a religion based on reincarnation) suicide is condemned as an unnatural form of death and therefore it is said those who commit it will never be able to attain heaven.
11:20 oh... Am I actually that close? 12:2512:35 oh my god 13:10 I believed in the ideal of good until a pork tore it from me and made me believe that I'm too dirty to even deserve believing in it 14:34 oh so treating it is already costly, got it Although I think in my country they're doing sessions for free for crisis management But I also don't wanna be taking time for something too complex 16:33 yeah I get why it was there but spirituality has undeniable relevance in psychology & it's unscientific to just maneuver discussions around it
The AI is just prepping us for what's about to come thanks to engineers and AI developers wanting to secure their financial futures after foolishly playing rich people's games. It's time to play a game, Hoffman
I wonder if a true artificial intelligence that got loose and decided to destroy humanity, could just work in the shadows to maximize all of these factors for the general population.
@@CosmosArchipelago no, it's about how the lack of a moral compass from IT engineers and programmers led to the inevitable fate of basic working people when robots basically take over. The last thing I say at the end of the comment is a reference to Saw, because the entirety of becoming obsolete isn't a happy ending for humanity.
@@TheVoltDenatsu basic working people provide the demand that these tech bros are supplying. This is the end result of pretending that the world is just and that practicality is moral.
1:27 Many depressed people are NOT Suicidal. 2:20 3:55 Out of Order Society. Disregulated. 4:37 What went wrong? 😑 5:08 - Altered States 😵💫 - Desperation 😫 - Time Pressure⏰⏳⌛️ + Spirituality + 1 🙏🏼 8:29 - Lack of interest - Lack of enjoyment - Job loss - Shamed - Isolated by peers - Reputation negatively affected - Fears of Ostracization - Relationship Discord - Adultery - Separation - Divorce 10:37 - Decreased Social Interest - Isolating oneself from friends. 11:17 - Change or breakdown of thought process 💭 11:55 Desperation - Psychological Pain - Unbearable Pain - Problems seem Unsolvable 13:17 Depression - “I feel depressed.” - Belief of hopelessness - Belief of helplessness 13:47 Suicide attempts? *Treatment* + Addressing issues 14:48 + Addressing goals + Timeline for treatment 15:54 + Showing love and care for the person ❤ 16:22 Encourage Church (☦️ Orthodox Christianity). 17:57 Synopsis. ✉️ 18:22 35 year old patrolman who is struggling. 19:00 Jim Everly. 19:37 George Everly. 20:02 Psychology. 20:22
"Rights" are purely anthropogenic - ie 'man-made'. There are no rights in a nihilistic universe. That said, human kind evolved to dominate the planet and live in its civilizations and societies. Now, we're at a point on that timeline where many value empathy and morality, we don't like to think of ourselves as animals, we care for others. Whilst _spiritualism_ is a load of capitalism-mass propagated bollocks, and we all of course do indeed have a right to take our own lives if we so wish, the desire to end it is anti-Darwinian in the extreme. Nature is all about a struggle to exist, a fight to survive. It's quintessentially human that some may for whatever reason have lost that desire to fight on. But that's largely down to the system being far from perfect. And we recognise this as many believe we should. Those who have lost the desire to persevere will by definition be at the wrong end of the mental health continuum. Yet all nations have hospitals and health services to a degree. Do we let the injured man bleed out? No, we don't, typically; we battle to save his life. That's who we are. The man with self-inflicted slashed wrists, should he be allowed to bleed out? Arguably, yes, but don't expect the rest of society to think highly of you if you walk on by without intervening. Life _often_ does get better. For anyone and everyone. Whilst you might not see clear skies on the horizon, a silver lining to all the cloud, happiness could yet be just around the corner for you. And it's for that reason (and the rest I've waffled on about) that most folk will probably want to talk the suicidal out of their intentions, unless they're terminally ill in a society that can accept people may see little point in suffering terminal illness.
If they genuinely cared about the suicidal person I'd understand. But they are simply enforcing the state's monopoly on violence to the highest degree. And therefore, it pisses me off.
What gives you the right to force those who care about you to suffer your loss? Do you hate them? Plus, you have to be in a bad state of mind to commit suicide. It's not a logical decision. Once people get out of that state of mind, they tend to no longer want to kill themselves and express gratitude for those that helped them through that dark time. Wouldn't you rather we try to help people to be happy?
What gives a doctor the right to help people who are unconscious? People with suicidal thoughts are mentally ill - they can't think straight. Curing their mental illness is a bit like doing CPR. There are some fringe cases where I do think one shouldn't interfere, and it's clearly their own logical decision. For example if you know that you have a deadly disease, and you will die a painful death in 2 years - that is when I think it makes sense to let people make their own decision on the way they would like to die. But if you are physically healthy, then helping someone with suicidal thoughts is kind of like doing CPR. I think it's fair to criticize society for only caring when things get so bad that someone attempts to commit suicide. But still, I think society would be much worse if they didn't even care then. Also, this kind of rhetoric is harmful to those who have suicidal thoughts, but are still considering seeking help. Actually, I'm going to report this comment because of this.
Although I would consider myself to be quite suicidal, I seem to be fairly low-risk when assessed by the equation. My life is not in any particular disorder or disarray. No drugs, alcohol, sleep deprivation, psychosis, etc that could cause an altered state. I don't really feel like I have any kind of time limit to fix things by. The only aspect that really fits me is depression, as my psychiatrist states that I am severely depressed. That being said, I do agree with what was said about not all depressed people being suicidal. And there are many other emotional states (anxiety, anger, paranoia, etc) that can spawn suicidal thoughts as well. But because of the diverse way suicidal thoughts can manifest, I think it would unfortunately be impossible to come up with one equation/evaluation that will catch all of us in time
Like oh yeah : you have not noticed this Jesus never came back with the END OF THE WORLD/judgement Day within the life time of his followers -2,000 yrs ago. Or that you are not to own private property : Jesus was a COMMUNIST, guess the preachers in your life forgot to bring any of these huge failures of prophetic future events that the dead line comes and goes and no end of the world.
Anomie - never heard this word until now. But my mom knows a woman who had triplets. The husband and dad killed himself when their triplets were 18 months old. He was an ex veteran who deployed to Iraq.
(1) misreading of Durkheim [not an individualist acct]; (2) if depression is necessary but not sufficient, same criticism applies to anomie/desperation; (3) “spirituality” isn’t needed, community suffices (cf Durkheim); (4) “depression” not associated directly w/ suicide, as it lowers the will to act. it’s often a brief recession of the depressive condition that enables suicide.
went to chatgpt, The comment you provided seems to critique some points made in the video regarding sociological and psychological understandings of depression, suicide, and the role of community or spirituality. Here’s a breakdown of the points mentioned: 1. **Misreading of Durkheim (not an individualist account)**: Émile Durkheim, a sociologist, is known for his theory on suicide, where he argued that suicide is not just an individual act but a social phenomenon influenced by factors like the lack of social integration and moral regulation. This critique suggests that the video might have wrongly interpreted Durkheim as presenting an individualistic account of suicide, while Durkheim focused on social factors, particularly the breakdown of community bonds (anomie). 2. **If depression is necessary but not sufficient, same criticism applies to anomie/desperation**: The comment implies that if the video argues depression is a necessary but not sufficient cause of suicide, the same logic should apply to Durkheim’s concept of *anomie* (a state of normlessness or social instability). Durkheim posited that anomie or social desperation could lead to suicide but acknowledged that it alone doesn’t directly cause it, much like depression. 3. **“Spirituality” isn’t needed, community suffices (cf Durkheim)**: The comment argues that instead of focusing on "spirituality" as a solution, community or social integration alone, as Durkheim emphasized, is enough to prevent suicide. Durkheim believed that strong social ties and community connections help protect individuals from suicide by giving them a sense of belonging and purpose. 4. **“Depression” not associated directly with suicide, as it lowers the will to act. It’s often a brief recession of the depressive condition that enables suicide**: This point challenges the common assumption that depression directly leads to suicide. The commenter highlights that during deep depression, a person’s energy and motivation are often so low that they may not have the will to act on suicidal thoughts. It’s during moments of slight recovery, when energy levels temporarily improve, that a person might be more likely to attempt suicide. This aligns with some psychological research on the relationship between depression and suicide attempts. In summary, the comment critiques potential misinterpretations of Durkheim’s theory of suicide and suggests that the role of community (not spirituality) is central, while also discussing the complex relationship between depression and suicide.
Its so weird to have a clinician promote religion like its whatever (im just saying it as it is). He says being highly spiritual lessen the tendency of suicidality bc it either dissuade you thru thought crimes or bc there is an external being that cares for you. Thats some kind of mental gaslighting or some form of cbt i wouldnt wish on someone. I would think the 'high spirituality' is more of the social support you would get surrounded by ppl who think similarly of being dissuaded from suicide, like a group think, so eveyone would think 'suicide is bad' instead of 'i wouldnt commit suicide bc ppl will think differently of me and my family'. Thats just my take on the vid
@@yamatanoorochi3149 I wouldn’t say it’s idealism. More like mental instability for me. I’m mostly disappointed with myself that I haven’t solved my issues. Lol
im here to see how well someone like him can actually understand what it like to *want* to die. its akin to watching a colourblind man come up with a formula for what red is.
this reminds me of myself last year I was withdrawing from pcp and abusing allergy medicine and all the time. I was already in a bad place but I just got so much worse, I was so neurotic and acted so fucking differently. Eventually got bad enough for me to consider eating castor plants, but then deciding to eat a handful of poison hemlock. I don't know how it didn't kill me, but it had a minty bitter taste, I sat there waiting for myself to stop breathing but it just never happened
ik its an old video n seems to focus on male cops , but i wish there was some mention of the husbands support to the wife and how the lack thereof is damaging
TH-cam algorithms decided, "Time to dust this badboy off and put it in everyone's recommended"
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I'm just checking how long I have left
Yessir
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Interesting.
Awareness is key, talking about suicide doesn’t make more suicides. Let’s keep talking about it
In fact, an ethical discussion of the _stigma_ surrounding it can be of *immense* help to someone struggling.
It absolutely does. Putting videos like this in the algo plants a seed that it is a really popular option for many people.
Kinda backwards thinking here. If you take the stigma away you normalize it. So suicide is now a 'normal' and common thing? That's not gonna help the numbers 😅
@@redfo3009 ...not for very long tho.
Sorry when they say that they're only talking about when someone kill's themselves at school or some such occurrence.
It is a social contagion.....if just generally talking about suicide....no it doesn't spread it.
When the algorithm knows more about you than you'd like.
Lol I searched for a lot of videos to comfort me
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Maybe the algoritm is suicidal
@@bluemamba5317 its playing suicide content to humans, that makes it homicidal
This night I talked to a friend of mine about her past relationship partner's attempts. Just now I read another message of a friend of mine mentioning past suicide attempts as well, opened TH-cam, and this video is the first thing I see.
If someone were to tell me that the Google has been tracking my sublingual body temperature up until now, I wouldn't doubt it.
S*cidal potential? Huh and they said i didnt have any kind of potential
Now you have
It's only bad when it becomes kinetic
Real
Why is suicidality so confusing to some people? The simple fact of the matter is that life is ASS for a LOT of people, and there is very little avenue for change from that.
Constant pain and suffering on a constant downward spiral? For another day? Yeah why not.
That's not a fact, but an opinion. Not to say it's invalid but often for people whom are struggling to understand depression I've found it comes from not being able to understand that some people struggle to see how they can change their life.
Darkseid: *_FINALLY!_* The Anti-Life Equation!
Strange place to find a moderately obscure comic book reference like this
The algorithm confused this video with comments about Kite Man.
Hell, yeah!
WTH🤣🤣🤣🤣
Or Angel Gabriel’s weapon
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I read that people can often be suicidal and depressed, and the depression is the thing which prevents them from taking action in committing suicide, but then if say they start an antidepressant, it gives them the motivation now, and get up and go, to actually take their own life, as before, the depression was holding them back. Hence why it's a concern, prescribing for this group of patients.
Right. Because they come from that deep, psycho-motor exhaustion, and regain some energy and ability to move to begin with. Well enough to get up and do stuff, but not think outside of that depressed state.
@@FlorenceWrites I find anything to do with neuroscience or pharmacology fascinating
@@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084yeah I went from pharmacodynamics (lsd and specifically 5ht2a and their relation to migraines, depression, schizophrenia, antagonists helping anxiety, hallucinogenic agonist =helping anxiety in controlled environments, all the way to being a major role in schizophrenia and modulation of everything from perception of reality to ability to stay calm in social settings) to particle physics. Chemistry gets very messy, litterally and figuratively. Biology by itself wasn't as captivating as quantum mechanics.
This is a cool study though
As somebody who’s always wanted to kill myself but never been in a wrong enough place to done it, maybe just treat people by not gaslighting people who have the ability to change the into a corner of being “of suicidal ideology”?
@@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084precursors to being a piece of shit fascist. Look out buddy. Don’t find yourself locking people up who don’t want it is my advice for anyone wanting to live a long healthy life free of being stabbed in the neck by a “mentally ill” patient that you created yourself.
Isn't it interesting that this video was posted 13 years ago, but most of the comments have been in the past month?
It's just kinda interesting to see the algorithm at work.
Google is pushing this yopic
@@braddittner that is interesting, I wouldn’t have even noticed without seeing your comment.
Weird they’d push this topic of all things now lol.
@@George-Aguilarinteresting. I did have a story come up in my feed about assisted suicide in Canada last week even though I've never searched that topic. Now this. Do they want us to off ourselves or what?
@@vanessac1965 The algorithm self-evolves for maximum view count. So it works in strange ways.
@@WilliamParkererur yappin it's all about being paranoid and angry at the establishment bro
That's hilarious. Cops came to my house cause I made a suicidal post on a forum and they basically just threatened me saying they could take me in and also had me stand outside in the cold while they went through my room. At like 1 am. Oh I see it's for other cops.
I’m so sorry you went through that. Things in this world are so messed up, profits matter more than people, and the most unfit people have all the money and power.
Please stay strong, if you believe in a higher power, ask for clarity, peace, protection and understanding. Peace
I've heard stories of suicidal people being forced into psych wards. Their phones get taken away and the staff have a 50/50 chance of being abusive. After release, they get hit with the bill.
@@lilium-orchid I volunteered myself to one once. They literally held me there against my will and told me if I left early my insurance wouldn't cover it. Worst choice I've ever made in life. Some of the nurses there had no idea why I was still there and told me to talk to the psychiatrist assigned to me. I talked to tons of people in charge. Wouldn't let me go. Psychiatrist there would give me like 10 seconds of time and just say you're doing good. The girls would come out crying after talking to him because we were all being held there against our will. People who were taken involuntarily had to go to court just to get out. Taken from their jobs and families. It was disgusting. I have no idea how they're allowed to do that. Also they mix normal people with those who have schizophrenia and whatnot. It's so stupid. First day there some guy was threatening people with a pencil. Great place. Oh and I also learned that social workers aren't on your side either. Was also during covid so my mom was only allowed to visit me once for 15 minutes with a nurse listening to us. There needs to be a lawsuit. I also became anemic during my time there because the food was so bad. So their fix for that was putting me on the "healthier" diet with even worse food. One of the nurses was amazed when I showed her how they couldn't even make scrambled eggs. It was like a watery mess.
@@lilium-orchidI wonder if you can get away with just not paying it. “I was effectively kidnapped. I’m not paying you for the privilege” sounds like a pretty good defence
@@consolegamingisdead1365What lesson? Dont be depressed?
Misheard anomie as anime and I was confused but at the same like "yeah ig"
Akrasia. Look into that, too. In a nutshell, it means the failure of will; failing to pursue and/or acquire that which is advantageous or desired.
lmao “seems abt right…”
same 🥴
Lmao same
The missing piece 🧩
That's one slippery pair of glasses
i feel that
They don't have any sideburns to grip on.
Sure is
I think it’s the man that’s slippery
In longterm can lead to severe desperation
I thought this said "Logical FLAW of Suicide" but then I clicked to find the purpose of life and saw its the "Logical FLOW of Suicide" 😅
You didn't choose to be born. I see this as an opportunity to say fuck it and see what all happens, possibly with some effort too. That's what keeps me from trying to cut my life short, because , man.... I've definitely felt like it way more often than I'm comfortable with
Same! I swear it said "flaw" 😅
SAME
SAME
Please do not use permanent or dry erase markers on the smartboard
Whoever paid for the smart boards maybe should’ve spent their money elsewhere
Markers are a permanent solution to a temporary problem
Those things are such a stupid waste
Permanent things must be handled carefully.
No u
I’m a neuroscience major with a long history of mental health issues. The more I really look into the formal side of psychology the more problems I find with treating mental illness like it’s in a vacuum. It’s deeply bizarre to me how when dealing with issues such as anxiety and depression people treat it like emotions are irrelevant and unscientific, when the emotional state of the person is the problem at hand. Reading papers sometimes can get so uncomfortable when people just don’t talk about the subjects like they’re human, and especially in medical settings it’s always bizarre when things that provide comfort or make people generally feel better are dismissed as unnecessary in favor of cold utilitarian design, when making the person feel better emotionally is broadly the point. It really says something that this guy came up and talked about how “people are more likely to commit if something bad happens in their life and they don’t feel like it’s worth living” like it was a revelation unconsidered by all of science. I love psychology dearly but sometimes it needs to learn that sometimes people feel bad because their life sucks and not only because of some pathological illness (also even if it is caused by a pathological illness that needs medication to be treated, generally treating them like a human being and taking to account their emotional state is also important).
The way I heard some people talk about it in the media, they say it's a hormone imbalance and talk about it like it's a disease like cancer or something. The question is what it's caused by. I believe western individualism is a big cause as to why almost everyone looks at it this way. It's just insane to me when we see this increase in loneliness, depression and suicide and think that the solution is individual therapy, while the waiting lists for therapists grow and grow. It seems like we're trying to fix the symptoms of a sick society, instead of addressing the root causes. Individualist thinking is not going to help us get out of this pit
A frustrating amount of mental health issues stem from systemic poverty, a lack of financial security really goes a long way in reducing someone's quality of life.
What I want to know is this: why do people care if someone kills themselves? While alive, strangers can treat a person with aloof contempt without giving it a second thought, but if that same person then becomes suicidal, society at large suddenly cares whether or not that person is able to end things. I think the answer is that when someone becomes suicidal, they become larger than an individual person who is able to be fit into a box by society at large. They become a person who has transcended society by choosing, in the most drastic and irreversible way, to reject it in its entirety. I think the reason why we cannot allow people to make their own choices about when to die - even those who we can admit have a justifiable reason for doing so, such as the elderly and infirm - is that we cannot allow such a negation of the seemingly innate meaning of society to take place. We see suicide as an attack on the foundation of our human conceit - that life has an inherent meaning.
your life maybe doesn’t
@@turolretardon’t say that he might commit suicide
@@turolretar yeah true, if only I was a cool Metallica and family guy fan like you
I think people like to belittle you whether you choose life OR suicide. Whatever you do is wrong. It makes them feel superior.
So true
Here before youtube puts a warning on the video
13 years later…
@@SummerOf1987 Lmao
Me too
ey same!
Warning is up now
me recognizing for 1000th time that i am extremely high risk
It's silly, imo. Nothing is worth that kind of stress or self isolation. People just want too much. So many people out there wanting a friend, or love, or adventure, or respect, whatever one's pain. You can just ignore it all and choose to be happy, choose to disregard negative forces. Think about trafficking victims, slaves, people who's loved ones are murdered, families going from war to refugee camp, to foreign country and culture, child abuse, all these people live among us, and are doctors, politicians, bakers, etc. I can't speak for you, but these thoughts make me wonder how I can be sorry about anything. The attacks I've suffered completely suck, and are totally negatively affective to my life, but none of it is that bad. These people not only survive, they are there for their children etc. and are usually the best moral people.
Of course, the culmination of all the damage creates more damage, and is the source for the sickness in our culture that has cost me so much. But we can't blame other victims. Especially now I just credited them with saving my life by giving me the perspective to maintain some humility.
You have to beat fear. You do that with courage. Courage is the Key emotion related to Honor. You can practice your courage through practicing Honor. That means things like telling the Truth even when it's embarrassing or will cause stress, or may cause a reaction in some one. Face it, face that fear. Think about your daily habits, and your actual values, are you really honoring what you believe? Make that change no matter how scary. You will find things don't go the way you thought ty would, and you will have more courage to do i again, in a bigger spot, etc. Honor takes courage. And courage conquers fear. Courage leads to the light, fear leads to the dark. They are polar opposites in our search for Truth. You must foster, build, nurture the courage in you. You must, or you will be in the darkness.
Good luck
Peace
Glad you’re still here stranger
The irony of being born in an era so incredibly amazing that the biggest risk of you dying is yourself.
Why did my comment get deleted?
Indeed comrade 🫡 just out here in the trenches googling trench foot while looking at our trench foot.
thank you peter griffin
"Hey Lois, rememba that time I gave a twenty minute lecture on cop suicide?"
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@@lmmn5780I read that in Peter’s voice too 😂😂
"Hey Lois, look, I'm an interventionist hehehehe"
Hey Lois, rememba dat time when...
Well, I'm guessing the reason that French sociologist didn't focus on Schizophrenia and depression is two-fold: society didn't have a good understanding of mental illness, let alone schizophrenia and depression, in 1897. Second, he was a sociologist, not a psychologist; he didn't study the brain or individual metrics of well-being, he prioritized social factors that can be attributed to society.
Society had a pretty good understanding of mental illness and we have a better understanding because of these efforts.
We have actually gone backwards quite a bit in the last decade or so in regards to our understanding due to the fraudulent contributions of post modernist psychology.
@@Loreweavver Totally agreed. This guy's equation, as someone who was nearly ready to commit suicide about a decade ago, is highly accurate. I had anomie in multiple ways, I had altered state through serious sleep deprivation, I was depressed to the Nth degree, but I wasn't desperate. I started to become desperate at one point, and I fortunately had the awareness to call my mom and ask for help. If I didn't, that desperation surely could have pushed me over the edge, and I believe it would have.
@@anthonyantoine9232 sleep deprivation is big.
Also, isolation.
Those two things can be more destructive than any drug as the effects are insidious and creep up on one without them noticing unlike a drug or alcohol that one knowingly and willingly ingest.
@@Loreweavver Yes! Isolation is also pretty key, I think. I lived with a couple roommates at the time, but I isolated myself from that most of the time.
@@Loreweavver what exactly are these contributions?
This is a weird game of hangman
Makes me realise how grim of a game hangman really is.
Childrens games often have dark backgrounds. But rarely is it so clearly seen in the modern version
@@daanstrik4293 I remember about the flash game that I play as a kid is full of violence, gore, drug, suicide, sexual/nudity, mass killing, animal harm
It’s great when people talk about topics openly.
Been bed rotting for 6 or 7 years now. My will to live has grown so weak that I have to consciously remind my body to breath from time to time. Woke up gasping for air and a elevated heart rate very early this morning.
I'm pretty sure that's just sleep apnea. But don't kill yourself man, you can hack your brain to make yourself feel happy. It's dumb but it works
@@bradleythebuilder8743 I gotta. You'll see why one day.
i love you. please go to the doctor
@@keith86ify Go camping and hiking for 5 days in a place with bad cell reception and I swear to god your will to live will come back. You just need to disconnect for a while and reset, no different than a computer
@@alexrogers777Yea, not that simple.
People assuming my depression was suicidal tendencies was initially what made me suicidal.
My brother was mp, and now he is moving on to civilian police. I've spent many nights on the phone with him. I love him, I care for him. I need to be someone in his life that he can come to without fear or shame. I need to learn this, because he will need me to have learned this. I let a battle buddy down once. I cant let that happen to him.
I don't know your story but j hope you don't beat yourself up too much about the loss of your friend. Maybe you could have made a difference, but regardless our society does a very bad job preparing us for supporting a suicidal person and that's not your fault at all
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I think it simply boils down to Loss of Emotional/Thought/Meaning Control
What the professor showed makes sense, but it doesn't cover the whole picture. Depression might be the most common cause of suicide because it takes on the emotional/logic/meaning side of a person, but if there is a distinction between these three the thing becomes more complex
For example, if someone has tried everything to solve their issues, but their condition keeps worsening and they can't really see a way out anymore, the emotional side shuts down and it makes sense to suicide on a logical level. At that point I believe there's no turning back, unless the person is forcefully brainwashed to rewire the thought process in a more positive way, as he will never see a way out on his own
Or when someone feels so good he wouldn't care to die in that specific moment as he would've experienced the very peak life had to offer and everything would be downhill from there on. Especially in extreme episodes of Mania, a person can feel so good life loses its material meaning, so it becomes easier to slip and commit suicide so the happiness never ends
Or if there is a clear disconnection with the external reality, and delusions are in play, a person could believe he wouldn't die with a bullet to the brain, for example, so he could try it and accidentally commit suicide
But in every single case there is a neglect in personal needs either consciously or not, which then transforms itself in a loss of control based on the situation and events and can end up into suicide based on the intensity of the whole thing
These are my thoughts and personal insights about the matter after years of introspection and talking with other suicidal patients
TH-cam's algorithm really thought now's the best time to recommend this.
They want to show us all the options
"most of them are not suicidal, they're just depressed" um, bro, I can guarantee you that most of them are. We just don't say it out loud because that gets us 5150'd
Exactly. I’ve sought out help when I felt I needed it, and I was thrown in a room and treated like some kind of alien.
Nah it's true. I usually don't want to die, I just don't wanna live the life I'm living. I just want a new life.
@@Dude8718 same, but that still doesn't make me not suicidal at times.
People often differentiate "no will/reason to live" and "being suicidal"
I am no profession, but from my experience the former is the early stage of suicidal tendencies
@@headBookBookExactly that.
Just because somebody isn’t suicidal *yet* doesn’t mean they aren’t well on their way to doing it anyway.
The line between “I don’t want to live like this” , “I don’t want to live” , and “I want to die” are very thin
This is like slapping a band aid on a deep cut. What if people are doing this because the entire SYSTEM we’ve created is a nightmare? But sure, it’s only a personal problem…
He literally talks about anomie as a factor
Because only those who haven’t emotionally developed blame it on a big covert conspiracy.
The system won’t change itself for you. Realising that is a fundamental part of growing up. Sure, depression impedes that process - but it is borne out of selfish thinking.
The issue is not just the system we created, it is the system of nature itself that leads to our suffering. If we could just create a utopia then nobody would have any reason to exploit others and everyone would want to build such a utopia but there is seemingly no path towards such a utopia and so instead we fight to be at the top of the exploitation game because exploitation will happen anyway and we would rather not be the ones being exploited. The universe is seemingly a zero sum game; everything gained comes with an equal loss. Work never pays off because you will always lose more energy than you can gain from working. The workaround is to exploit, to steal, to gain that which you did not put in. We have no choice but to exploit, one way or another, or else we gain nothing.
@@JupaI agree up until the “selfish thinking” part.
Depression often spawns from a desire to do better (Both to themselves, but especially others). Its part of why shame was mentioned as an important factor.
Often depressed people continue to live for others long after their selfish wishes turned to death.
"Psychology/Psychiatry measures a person's adaptation to the society in which they find themselves. No inquiry, however, is made as to that society's adaptation to the natural order of things"- Hubert Benoit- "Zen and the Psychology of Transformation"
His job is probably secure. Death from suicide doesn’t leave many critics of his work to interview.
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I remember in 2008/2009 during the big crash and recession working near a railway line. Saw 2 people jump to their deaths in short succession. The railway company had to put up fences to make the high speed line platforms empty.
On the “anomie”, psychiatry should be ashamed for being so incompetent and blind as to totally disregard the existential aspects of someone’s mental state.
They have the spirituality/religion parameter.
@@petarpejic1468 psychiatry is very similar to religion. There is a priest class. There are practices, ethics, morals, sins, rituals, etc. For the belief system to function properly, it requires a large degree of faith from the average person.
I wouldn’t really try to convince the average person of any of that, as I don’t want to be alienated like an apostate.
@DavidConnerCodeaholic uuh I agree so much with this. I've been in a day clinic for a couple of weeks now and it's wild to see all the parallels, even though the doctors and psychologist really don't (want to) see it. It's a religion that tries to be based on science; but you'll have to make so many leaps of faith to trust the caretakers and what they're saying..
@@DavidConnerCodeaholicexcept psychiatry is verified by empirical evidence. Whatever else goes into it due to external ideological distortions (think of big pharma, or very suspicious research articles), not because the subject itself is somehow inherently "religious". Everything needs faith in practices to a certain degree; you have faith that your car won't suddenly blow up upon starting even if it is a possibility. Whatever stands as a justification for a belief is nothing more than another belief.
People forget that psychiatry, and all of medicine really is not only a science, but also an indendent social practice, like the law or education. It has some elements of research, and others which are strictly practical, and the mediation between the two is an extremely delicate matter.
Shit Life Syndrome. Medical professionals are aware of it.
My life is exactly how i wanted it to be with every peice seemingly falling perfectly in place with basically no problems yet still every day i fight with suicidal thoughts. Its crazy how mental illness is usually harder than life.
"People with suicidal potential" - people always said I had potential!
I don’t know about mathematics and prediction. But, this guy is trying to help.
As someone that studies psychology on the side but has had past struggles with depression and ideation; The core issue often leads to how the individual was treated as a child and the traumas they have survived through. Alot of people are operating from a shitty life that they have valid reasons to feel like things have been unfair. But no matter how unfair life has been, you can always rise from the ashes to do better and be better. Because no one should let those that hurt you or failed to help you be the death of you.
"You can always rise from the ashes." Do you know how many homeless people end up starving or otherwise dying to violence or the lack of shelter? Almost half of the US population spends their entire lives in poverty for a reason; The money never trickles down.
Furthermore, here's a source: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5831185/
Notice in the discussion: Almost all of the factors that contribute to mortality, especially the ones driven by poverty, are ALSO in the equation for potential found in this video. Telling someone to "rise from the ashes" won't help when their body and heart are decaying and failing due to circumstance alone. (Study: "Cardiovascular disease was the most prevalent cause of death..." which can be caused by many many factors. See: www.who.int/health-topics/cardiovascular-diseases#tab=tab_1 )
People know when they're dying a slow painful death, it's bold to say that they're mistaken when we have studies on the prevalence of said deaths...
I…. really needed to hear this.
Thank you. Truly.
Amen,
and God bless you!
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@@fenjohrer Well, here is the crux of it. While you are correct that there are people that are often overly blaming things outside of themselves, rational people don't go out of their way to blame things on everybody else. When someone is emotionally stable, there's a certain level of accepting ones own part to play in things and that taking it out on someone else would be rude and isn't mature. But life can be difficult for everyone and requires some emotional processing, acceptance and maybe even some problem solving. When people haven't learned how to do that or they have received let's say a difficult childhood where their parents repeatedly insult them and traumatize them over and over, then they go out of their way to complain and blame things other than themselves, because they have all this chaos inside themselves they are projecting out into the world. Then depression may come from a lack of ability to change that, to change all the negative things in life, in the world or about theirself. But in reality their perception of those things is a hyper focus of the most negative aspects of life and isn't looking at things from other perspectives. Sometimes they don't even have depression and become narcissistic egomaniacs that want to control everything so that they never have to feel bad about themselves. Lol What I'm ultimately trying to say is that it is nuanced and very complicated, everyone handles trauma differently. There are both biological and environmental conditions that influence a person's emotional reactivity and ability to function normally.
@fenjohrer the idea of realizing you have trauma is to heal it, not to blame the rest of the world for it
You're close tho
"It then remains for us to specify the attitude of immanent philosophy towards the man who takes his own life and towards the criminal. How easily the stone falls from one's hand onto the grave of the man who has killed himself, how difficult in contrast was the struggle of the poor man who laid himself so well to rest. First he cast from afar an anxious glance at Death and turned away in horror; then, trembling, he skirted Him in wide arcs; but with each day the distance grew smaller and smaller until finally he threw his tired arms around Death's neck and looked Him in the eye: and in those eyes was a peace, sweet peace. Whoever can bear the burden of conscious existence no more, let him cast it off. Whoever can hold out no longer in the carnival hall of life-or, as Jean Paul says, in the great servants’ quarters of the world-let him step out through the ever opened door into the still night." - Philipp Mainländer
Peter griffin telling us not to kill ourselves I see
Fell asleep and woke up to this. Why
lol
Just TH-cam recommended, continue living your life with all the happiness you have🙂
You are one quick sleeper. Either that or you have autoplay and managed to get it playing again? If it's the latter I'd be buying a lottery ticket, like yesterday.
It's an election year in the USA, so I guess they decided they needed more videos like this recommended.
Some people might need this video to help others depending on the election results unfortunately.
Lots more dead people voting democrat this year
What a ridiculous reason to kill yourself 🙄
I looked it up out of curiosity and rates actually go DOWN during the months surrounding US presidential elections.
My armchair theory is that it's something for people to care about. It can inspire passion, even if that's passionate rage, there's a communal element to be found in it, and a lot of exposure to election rhetoric about hope, the future, and looking forward with optimism could be effective in challenging negative thoughts.
For sure is interesting!
@@cowestgirl3746 Interesting info, and astute analysis! Thanks for the food-for-thought.
Excuse me youtube. Are you telling me something?
You’re 🏳️⚧️
@@bryanutility9609pedo?
@@bryanutility9609 my toddler came out as trans
@@bryanutility9609no u
Congratulations on coming out 🥳
I deal with chemical depression, take meds for it from time to time. I can tell when my depression hits, I get serious suicidal ideations. One of the main things that keeps me from actually doing it. I’ve heard survivors of suicide say, right when I jumped, I had remorse for my actions. And while falling to I thought was going to be my death, I wanted to live. So even in our gravest, darkest times in our minds, we still Cleve to life.
Hope that helps, every time I think about doing it, there’s something that occurs after that makes me glad I didn’t. Believe it or not, there are things in life worth living for and if you do it, guess what? No one will care.
This just made me realize how at risk I am especially with a history of family suicide
womp womp
I mean stay safe* 🥶
@@tacitozetticci9308 this big song and dance you are doing in these TH-cam comments is a sad example of your own mental state. Take care of yourself, son.
You will come to realize that its actually better to know the knowabouts, as this serves as insights in what to tweak, recognise and shut uff, or improve. It actually automatically gets easier to overcome certain hurdles or to recognize and grant it some time to pass.
The tunnel looks endless if you don't get exposed to such insights and all that.
(excuse me for my bad English btw :p) Its not my language and I haven’t studied it well :p
Unable to overcome Hardship in life, in love. Unable to overcome what could've been , regrets = suicide.
8:41 the way he said duty made me giggle
This video is fascinating! Thank you!
The only time I want to "Opt Out" is when my basic needs are not being met....which is like 80% of the time. We are all stretched thin. Hang in there. ✌️
(Basic needs as in food and shelter.... I have no stability anymore..... that's just how it is now at 53)
I guess lots of people are talking about un-aliving themselves this past month. Wow. Thanks, algorithm.
Jesus Christ that list came for my life...
Tomorrow it will be the 3rd anniversary of my friend's last day. This was the first video on my feed this morning.
Wow condolences for your friend
I lost a close friend and my own mom to suicide. In both cases, the sudden relaxed and happier demeanor was there. Both times, I mistaked that for them getting better. Any sudden change in people's default behaviour really worries me now.
I’ve had 4-7 friends commit suicide. I’m too horny.
I'm glad topics like this are discussed
Quality video for 2011.
My iPhone makes better porn
2011 were quality times you gen alpha….
What a great time to watch this in October 2024
This is just a bingo that i almost fill entirely up
That's a Bing-O!
The algorithm knows me. Suicidal Potential sounds like a thrasher punk band and this guy talks like a Jewish Queens Attorney
fr I thought he made up the word decompensation, turns out 100% real
When you realize the factors are all adding up.
This guy is finally getting his 15 minutes of fame. 👏 👏 👏
I don't really feel bad for anyone that has the power to legally destroy anothers life and barely has the literacy or basic competency to know how rules and laws work. And thanks to this guy there's now a programmable formula for something we as a species shouldn't be able to control
that "programmable formula" has always existed for limited contexts for all of human history. People learn how to wield trauma and abuse from the time theyre children lol.
I think you need to get some help
I will never see another therapist again. Its up to you to handle your own shit. They're uptimately there for the paycheck.. take meds if you want but its up to you to fix yourself.
We are our own best physicians. Good therapists are really hard to come by, and even when you find a good one, it’s still paid listening.
The stupidity of this world is reason enough.
So... anomie?
Exactly that. Bunch of spinless dung sacks enabling this rancid system. Look at Japan. They're considered a few decades ahead of the USA and let's see. Dwindling birth rates with soaring self termination rates. Oh boy almost like everything in place is unnatural. All of this trash. This phone. The jobs. The politics. The fake food. The crime. The corruption. The poisons in our goods. I can go on. Today is trash. Everything about it is absolute garbage.
Not just that life situations bad ones long and painful like losing a job and dignity
I’ve decided to live forever on this very day. In the year 2067. It’s just nice to have something to look forward to. You know?
I'll revisit this in 2067 :)
@@mangyangerlongkumer7961 set a reminder
Totally relevant subject and I’m glad it’s in everyone feed
This guy is too fat to be happy
At least the people who get this in their feed seem to have good taste in usernames.
lol
@@RepriseYThaha
Thanks!
the bots dont tend to come on these videos
epic
Depression and s****de are the highest they've ever been so its no wonder this is recommended
I'm guessing that this video's blowing up because so many people, like me, are jumping to watch it before TH-cam notices it exists.
I once heard a police man summarize it really simply.
'Cant change myself. It wont change by itself. Nobody can/will change it.' With constant pain.
Its like jumping out of a building in fire. Its not that the jump is safer, is that the fire is too much.
the algorithm must think i want to kill myself
lolllllll
Do you?
😂
you don’t ? What is your secret then?!
this platform is a brainwashing platform so its not a laughing matter
Personally, i always considered it Pain Math. Will flushing my frog hurt more than living the rest of my predictable life? Naturally there are a number of variables that are set to change; available methods, altered life course and circumstances, etc. So far I've decided that flushing my frog with the methods available will be more painful than continuing to live under my current circumstances, so i live. Someday that might change.
I knew this years ago after figuring out the basic operating principle of humans, we look towards the easiest way towards our desired outcomes according to our value judgments.
Put simply, if someone kills themself, it’s usually because it was (in their view, right or wrong) the most expedient way to achieve their goal, whatever it may be, even if it harms them (which explains why addicts are a thing).
So the solution would be, fundamentally, to get people to step back and properly look at and attempt alternate solutions to the problem, *or* realise the problem was nonsensical to begin with.
Bit callous, but the rationale is sound.
Hey, it's not so callous. Lots of the time suicidal people simply want to not be suffering anymore. Helping people live in less pain is a good goal. And oftentimes it's far easier and more effective to help others than it would be for everyone to help themselves.
Far less callous than my schizo ramblings, you pretty much summed up my thoughts sanely.
that presumes suicide is irrational. There isnt any way to determine this ultimately, which is why intelligent people still commit suicide. The issue here isnt callousness, its arrogance in your faith that life is valuable. Although, its not an uncommon view despite having no fundamental basis for the last 100-200 years.
@@badabing3391It’s a reasonable assumption for the vast majority of cases. Even intelligent people can be in severe anguish that at the time feels insurmountable. I’ve been in situations where I hurt so badly I would’ve ended it, but looking back I’m glad I didn’t because I was only able to think in the short term due to pain. Maybe some people do sanguinely perform the grim calculus but I doubt that’s true most of the time. Whatever is happening has to overcome our innate instinct for self-preservation, which is an irrational instinct. Hard to overcome instinct with rationality and argumentation.
@@daymar3 i dont disagree that under a persons own worldview suicide is often irrational, but i do think a large portion of people who commit suicide do so for at least good reasons if not totally rational ones. If your life has been on the downswing for over a decade, its not irrational to assume it will likely not get back to a level that youd care to live for, even if its technically coincidental. Problems compound, theyre rarely isolated events.
Holy shit, I had a simplified version of this class last year, it was more pragmatic but cool.
Damn I got this recommended but it only has 57k views.
Glad to see things hasn't changed... for the best
The south park TMI episode
Ngl I thought he said anime and it made me chuckle
I've been in some deep depression, and I'm about as deep as I've ever been right now, but I would never commit su1c1de. There's no telling what remains in the future, and I'll never gamble against my own curiosity.
Yea same as much as I hate where I am right now i still have hope that maybe something changes
I love myself a lot but buried that feeling, deep, deep inside to protect it, deep enough that I forgot about it
If I die, that feeling dies with me, and that feeling and the person I was back when I felt it, they don't deserve to die
"Fact and logic don't care about your emotion, checkmate suicidal"
Formulas can't solve everything you know.
But they can abstract
It's a tool for analysis/assessment.
Hey this is true! I was suicidal and I do think my atheism made me more desperate because I felt like I was 100% responsible for whatever happened to me. Was already depressed, so that helped things along too. Good times
“Why don’t you believe in god?”
“I wish I could”
@@daanstrik4293 At the height of my desperation I was ironically 'praying' I could pray
I feel like in certain situations religiosity can make suicide more likely though, dependent on the religious belief. Like, if you believe in reincarnation, then self-terminating is basically just a do-over button, right? I've also heard of situations in ancient Norse cultures where old or injured soldiers would challenge someone more competent than them to combat so that they could die in battle. This could be considered a kind of suicide by combat.
@@eslaweedguygrey Good point. I do know that in Hinduism (a religion based on reincarnation) suicide is condemned as an unnatural form of death and therefore it is said those who commit it will never be able to attain heaven.
Not this time Alphabet Inc.
google is evil
11:20 oh... Am I actually that close?
12:25 12:35 oh my god
13:10 I believed in the ideal of good until a pork tore it from me and made me believe that I'm too dirty to even deserve believing in it
14:34 oh so treating it is already costly, got it
Although I think in my country they're doing sessions for free for crisis management
But I also don't wanna be taking time for something too complex
16:33 yeah I get why it was there but spirituality has undeniable relevance in psychology & it's unscientific to just maneuver discussions around it
The AI is just prepping us for what's about to come thanks to engineers and AI developers wanting to secure their financial futures after foolishly playing rich people's games. It's time to play a game, Hoffman
I wonder if a true artificial intelligence that got loose and decided to destroy humanity, could just work in the shadows to maximize all of these factors for the general population.
Schizoramblings.
@@CosmosArchipelago no, it's about how the lack of a moral compass from IT engineers and programmers led to the inevitable fate of basic working people when robots basically take over. The last thing I say at the end of the comment is a reference to Saw, because the entirety of becoming obsolete isn't a happy ending for humanity.
@@TheVoltDenatsu you're only as obsolete as you allow yourself to believe
@@TheVoltDenatsu basic working people provide the demand that these tech bros are supplying. This is the end result of pretending that the world is just and that practicality is moral.
1:27 Many depressed people are NOT Suicidal.
2:20
3:55 Out of Order Society. Disregulated.
4:37 What went wrong? 😑
5:08
- Altered States 😵💫
- Desperation 😫
- Time Pressure⏰⏳⌛️
+ Spirituality + 1 🙏🏼
8:29
- Lack of interest
- Lack of enjoyment
- Job loss
- Shamed
- Isolated by peers
- Reputation negatively affected
- Fears of Ostracization
- Relationship Discord
- Adultery
- Separation
- Divorce
10:37
- Decreased Social Interest
- Isolating oneself from friends.
11:17
- Change or breakdown of thought process 💭
11:55 Desperation
- Psychological Pain
- Unbearable Pain
- Problems seem Unsolvable
13:17 Depression
- “I feel depressed.”
- Belief of hopelessness
- Belief of helplessness
13:47 Suicide attempts?
*Treatment*
+ Addressing issues
14:48
+ Addressing goals
+ Timeline for treatment
15:54
+ Showing love and care for the person ❤
16:22 Encourage Church (☦️ Orthodox Christianity).
17:57 Synopsis. ✉️
18:22 35 year old patrolman who is struggling.
19:00 Jim Everly.
19:37 George Everly.
20:02 Psychology.
20:22
Thanks for timestamps
@@Speed001 your welcome.
What gives you the 'right' to interfere with people who decide to take their OWN lives?
"Rights" are purely anthropogenic - ie 'man-made'. There are no rights in a nihilistic universe. That said, human kind evolved to dominate the planet and live in its civilizations and societies. Now, we're at a point on that timeline where many value empathy and morality, we don't like to think of ourselves as animals, we care for others.
Whilst _spiritualism_ is a load of capitalism-mass propagated bollocks, and we all of course do indeed have a right to take our own lives if we so wish, the desire to end it is anti-Darwinian in the extreme. Nature is all about a struggle to exist, a fight to survive. It's quintessentially human that some may for whatever reason have lost that desire to fight on. But that's largely down to the system being far from perfect. And we recognise this as many believe we should.
Those who have lost the desire to persevere will by definition be at the wrong end of the mental health continuum. Yet all nations have hospitals and health services to a degree. Do we let the injured man bleed out? No, we don't, typically; we battle to save his life. That's who we are. The man with self-inflicted slashed wrists, should he be allowed to bleed out? Arguably, yes, but don't expect the rest of society to think highly of you if you walk on by without intervening.
Life _often_ does get better. For anyone and everyone. Whilst you might not see clear skies on the horizon, a silver lining to all the cloud, happiness could yet be just around the corner for you. And it's for that reason (and the rest I've waffled on about) that most folk will probably want to talk the suicidal out of their intentions, unless they're terminally ill in a society that can accept people may see little point in suffering terminal illness.
If they genuinely cared about the suicidal person I'd understand. But they are simply enforcing the state's monopoly on violence to the highest degree. And therefore, it pisses me off.
It doesn’t even make sense the state can take your life but you can’t take your own? Wtf
What gives you the right to force those who care about you to suffer your loss? Do you hate them?
Plus, you have to be in a bad state of mind to commit suicide. It's not a logical decision. Once people get out of that state of mind, they tend to no longer want to kill themselves and express gratitude for those that helped them through that dark time. Wouldn't you rather we try to help people to be happy?
What gives a doctor the right to help people who are unconscious? People with suicidal thoughts are mentally ill - they can't think straight. Curing their mental illness is a bit like doing CPR.
There are some fringe cases where I do think one shouldn't interfere, and it's clearly their own logical decision. For example if you know that you have a deadly disease, and you will die a painful death in 2 years - that is when I think it makes sense to let people make their own decision on the way they would like to die. But if you are physically healthy, then helping someone with suicidal thoughts is kind of like doing CPR.
I think it's fair to criticize society for only caring when things get so bad that someone attempts to commit suicide. But still, I think society would be much worse if they didn't even care then.
Also, this kind of rhetoric is harmful to those who have suicidal thoughts, but are still considering seeking help. Actually, I'm going to report this comment because of this.
the algorithm works in mysterious ways
Although I would consider myself to be quite suicidal, I seem to be fairly low-risk when assessed by the equation. My life is not in any particular disorder or disarray. No drugs, alcohol, sleep deprivation, psychosis, etc that could cause an altered state. I don't really feel like I have any kind of time limit to fix things by. The only aspect that really fits me is depression, as my psychiatrist states that I am severely depressed.
That being said, I do agree with what was said about not all depressed people being suicidal. And there are many other emotional states (anxiety, anger, paranoia, etc) that can spawn suicidal thoughts as well. But because of the diverse way suicidal thoughts can manifest, I think it would unfortunately be impossible to come up with one equation/evaluation that will catch all of us in time
It's very concerning that youtube chose now to recommend this to me.
I hate the algorithm. I hate AI. I hate big tech. I hate the anti Christ.
schizotypal
Drink your corn syrup
Lotsa hate there, what do you love? Think about that instead.
There is no Christ.
Except for inside of your mind.
Like oh yeah : you have not noticed this Jesus never came back with the END OF THE WORLD/judgement Day within the life time of his followers -2,000 yrs ago. Or that you are not to own private property : Jesus was a COMMUNIST, guess the preachers in your life forgot to bring any of these huge failures of prophetic future events that the dead line comes and goes and no end of the world.
Anomie - never heard this word until now. But my mom knows a woman who had triplets. The husband and dad killed himself when their triplets were 18 months old. He was an ex veteran who deployed to Iraq.
(1) misreading of Durkheim [not an individualist acct];
(2) if depression is necessary but not sufficient, same criticism applies to anomie/desperation; (3) “spirituality” isn’t needed, community suffices (cf Durkheim);
(4) “depression” not associated directly w/ suicide, as it lowers the will to act. it’s often a brief recession of the depressive condition that enables suicide.
went to chatgpt,
The comment you provided seems to critique some points made in the video regarding sociological and psychological understandings of depression, suicide, and the role of community or spirituality. Here’s a breakdown of the points mentioned:
1. **Misreading of Durkheim (not an individualist account)**: Émile Durkheim, a sociologist, is known for his theory on suicide, where he argued that suicide is not just an individual act but a social phenomenon influenced by factors like the lack of social integration and moral regulation. This critique suggests that the video might have wrongly interpreted Durkheim as presenting an individualistic account of suicide, while Durkheim focused on social factors, particularly the breakdown of community bonds (anomie).
2. **If depression is necessary but not sufficient, same criticism applies to anomie/desperation**: The comment implies that if the video argues depression is a necessary but not sufficient cause of suicide, the same logic should apply to Durkheim’s concept of *anomie* (a state of normlessness or social instability). Durkheim posited that anomie or social desperation could lead to suicide but acknowledged that it alone doesn’t directly cause it, much like depression.
3. **“Spirituality” isn’t needed, community suffices (cf Durkheim)**: The comment argues that instead of focusing on "spirituality" as a solution, community or social integration alone, as Durkheim emphasized, is enough to prevent suicide. Durkheim believed that strong social ties and community connections help protect individuals from suicide by giving them a sense of belonging and purpose.
4. **“Depression” not associated directly with suicide, as it lowers the will to act. It’s often a brief recession of the depressive condition that enables suicide**: This point challenges the common assumption that depression directly leads to suicide. The commenter highlights that during deep depression, a person’s energy and motivation are often so low that they may not have the will to act on suicidal thoughts. It’s during moments of slight recovery, when energy levels temporarily improve, that a person might be more likely to attempt suicide. This aligns with some psychological research on the relationship between depression and suicide attempts.
In summary, the comment critiques potential misinterpretations of Durkheim’s theory of suicide and suggests that the role of community (not spirituality) is central, while also discussing the complex relationship between depression and suicide.
Its so weird to have a clinician promote religion like its whatever (im just saying it as it is). He says being highly spiritual lessen the tendency of suicidality bc it either dissuade you thru thought crimes or bc there is an external being that cares for you. Thats some kind of mental gaslighting or some form of cbt i wouldnt wish on someone. I would think the 'high spirituality' is more of the social support you would get surrounded by ppl who think similarly of being dissuaded from suicide, like a group think, so eveyone would think 'suicide is bad' instead of 'i wouldnt commit suicide bc ppl will think differently of me and my family'. Thats just my take on the vid
TH-cam knows me too well.
Idealists are more easily disappointed
KH pfp checks out
@@yamatanoorochi3149 I wouldn’t say it’s idealism. More like mental instability for me.
I’m mostly disappointed with myself that I haven’t solved my issues. Lol
Understand Anomie. Understand the causal factors that produce it, both long and short-term.
It is the madness of isolation in a crowded room.
No one happy watches this 😂
im here to see how well someone like him can actually understand what it like to *want* to die. its akin to watching a colourblind man come up with a formula for what red is.
@@Jman0163 by the size of him I’d say he knows by personal experience
@@bryanutility9609i... have no words.
Im watching this because it's on my fyp, im perfectly fine 😂.
6:50 lower suicide rates. No lower pain.
this reminds me of myself last year
I was withdrawing from pcp and abusing allergy medicine and all the time. I was already in a bad place but I just got so much worse, I was so neurotic and acted so fucking differently. Eventually got bad enough for me to consider eating castor plants, but then deciding to eat a handful of poison hemlock. I don't know how it didn't kill me, but it had a minty bitter taste, I sat there waiting for myself to stop breathing but it just never happened
godspeed bro hope you doin better these days
bro dissos like pcp and deliriants r another kind of struggle, wishing u best of luck and recovery, the absolute haunting dissociation sucks
@@Arionid yeah, doing better but I wish I had my own apartment, all good things come to those who wait.
thankyou life for blessing me with that strong feminine instinct for self-preservation 💪
How is self preservation a feminine instinct?
@@daanstrik4293 lower sewerslide rates + last line of defense between threats and your children, esp if they still need milk
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Men have higher rates of successful suicides but women have higher rates of unsuccessful suicide attempts
Men have higher rates of successful attempts but women have higher rates of unsuccessful attempts
I hope this video helps me succeed.
Good luck!
ik its an old video n seems to focus on male cops , but i wish there was some mention of the husbands support to the wife and how the lack thereof is damaging
i hate people that watch an old video and say something about the algorithm. i don't care that you're seeing the video too.
and yet youre beef supreme. what about elk supremacy?
@@mug3621 elk supremacy does not know what plants crave. does the mug?
Welcome to the comments of TH-cam. Where conversation and discussion are becoming more and more scarce.
...and my father told me over and over again that I would never have any potential.
*Well who has potential now Dad !!!?*
Suicide formula: can’t read it, that’s probably why Im still here commenting 😂
i guess you can say im going with the flow! 😂