Phil Donahue Punk Show 1984 Part 1
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- Phil Donahue, Serena Dank infamous "Parents of Punkers" organizer, and a mom who looks like something out of an Aline Crumb comic, along with several punks, duke it out to find out who and/or what is punk after all. From my beta collection, early 80's. Part 1 of 4
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These people are very tame even for the time this was aired. Al Jourgensen was still doing synth pop at this time. If the audience could have seen what Al ended up looking like they probably would have shit themselves. And Al probably would have, too.
Lol,so true.....
Never trust a junkie
True but still the fact that the general society had such a hard time accepting these “tamer” punks is still very interesting to see how much things have changed
Al would later go on to shit himself, many times.
Mrs. Morrissey has almost the same haircut as Morrissey.
I had Daryth as my 7th grade math teacher. She was super awesome and so full of energy and humour. The biggest Foos Fighter fan I've ever met. :-)) she seemed to be doing well the last time I saw her
I was 17 in '84 and looked like this lol
No kidding? That’s super cool. I guess the mom was correct when she said that Daryth was very bright / smart.
very cool to share.. I'm glad she became a good person and role model. the name too .. daryth.. that's a good punk girl name
thats cool, she did conform then. lol
I knew that chick
These old people look crazier than their "punk" kids lol
Back in the day people were SO judgmental. "THat's why you work in shipping"..the way she was dressed is normal today. She could get a job anywhere now, dressed like that. We Gen Xer's pioneered everything and opened the door for more diversity :)
@@PandoraJonesmodel Thank you🥺😳
@@PandoraJonesmodel lol al jourgensen born 1958 the chick is probably generation jones or a boomer too boomers pioneered punk not generation x ( i am generation x )
I was 20 years old and a punker when this show aired. Everyone looks so tame compared to today. Now you see blue hair on people in the supermarket and nobody blinks an eye. Thanks, hipsville, for posting this!
images have changed for sure but the punk scene is a lot less violent now then it was. at lest in LA in the early 80s
ladyinblack1964 it's ridiculous and funny not cool at all
@@chong3201 And then you had the violent skin heads who were racists thugs. I was at a show in '87 and saw a couple of them try to start chiite with a Latino forty lbs and 3 inches shorter than them until the victims big brother stepped in and literally split one of the thug's nose with one solid punch.
lol they look way more original now looks tame with their commercialised blue hair
@The Great Pumpkin yeah it was just different I feel like an old man saying back in my day all the time but once you knew who was who you would be fine. Seems like its was cooler to glamorize drugs and violence. the late 90's and early 2000's were in my opinion the best time to see show ect. still fun great music but less gangs and serious drugs ect...
I googled Daryth out of curiosity (and I thought she'd be easy to find with an unusual first name), and I found a school newsletter from 2007 spotlighting her as a teacher. Looks quite pretty in her photo. See, Mom? Everything was going to be ok!
Great answer Al "I don't no?" Words of wisdom from Uncle Al.
it'd be "know"
I would be more shocked if my daughter came home looking like Anne Morrisey.
Duane Richardson that lady was a monster. Hands down
Yeah looks like 1950's fashion lol!!
😂😂
The mom is looking like she's getting ready for Drag Queen Story Hour
And born from this day, one of my favorite Ministry songs, 'Everyday is Halloween'. It seems that everyone here, from the little old lady bashing Cat to the 17 year-old played a part in forming the lyrics. Just like in the song, Al asks, "Why can I live a life for me?" paraphrasing that 17-year old.
Seems like he was carefully listening and planning his next song rather than participating in the show.
Thank goodness he did
There was a 1985ish interview where Al was bashing Donahue and that Donahue started to cut him off. I guess this was it.
That's what I was wondering. She didn't look odd for the time, just a teeny bit edgier than anyone who wasn't living in Kevin Bacon's town in Footloose. It's the mother who scares me.
crazy how stuffy and rude people were at that time towards anyone doing anything different.
Hmm! That sounds familiar. Wait a minute. That's because it's still like that.
If you were a teenage punker in the early 80s you often would get threatend with violence just walking down the street, mostly by older guys with long hair.
Given the climate not all that crazy....
soccer moms have purple hair and now there is nothing left to do to be shocking: except I guess trans?
Never disobey the criminal media narrative
Beautiful Daryth Morrissey (my sis in law) is now a dedicated and highly regarded teacher.
"All of this has happened before and will happen again."
Oh no, my daughter is punk! Our family might need to break apart! *Sighs*
Counselling is required
I bet that Al Jourgensen probably became a nobody 10 years after this episode. Right now he's probably ding a danging along a dang along ling long
M.A.D.A. 😂 exactly!
Thank you!! I'm LMFAO reading your reply, just about to put on the CD and give a good listen!! ;D
The daughter looks more stylish than her creepy looking mother.
Same thing I was thinking.
I useta run into Al on the drag in Austin in the 90s. Hes rad....I met his daughter in my 20s...shes a nice girl. Imagine that
It's the mom that looks ridiculous.
For real?? This is better than a SNL skit! Al Jourgensen "Everyday is Halloween"
Punk rock isn't a fucking fashion statement. Does Jello Biafra dress like that? Does Rollins? No, because that isn't even the fucking point, it was supposed to be about individuality, but look at all the people who dress and act exactly alike.
Al's ex wife Patty interview on ( www prongs.org/ministry/patty_2013 )
Q: The infamous Phil Donahue appearance has popped up on youtube. Any memories ?
Wow. This thing just won’t die! The Phil Donahue show contacted Al’s lawyer about getting him on the show. We were told the topic was going to be music business related, and about the new music that had taken over the clubs. What it actually turned out to be was a “punks are people too” defense which we would have had no part in had we known. Phil was not amused with Al and overlooked him for most of the segment. I was shown more than he was. What a waste of time. We could’ve been sleeping.
Thank you for the interview link, much appreciation! ;D
Hmmmm....."Donahue" isn't aging very well lol....
My god Al was young here. I met him when he was the DJ at the Octogon, which was down the street from Neos. Glad I moved away to LA after HS though.
I hate being a youth of today, why couldn't I live in this time...
I feel ya man
I was a kid in that day. It's not as fantastic as you might think.
DTD110865 it was a shit ton better then than what it is today. Could you imagine growing up in a time where there is barely any good new music, movies, or art? It's all about social media, dubstep, and mumble rap these days.
Me too. I feel you...
@@DTD110865 Stfu, You could actually tell a joke back then and someone saying Im offended made people laugh even harder.
Yes there is a way to rebel. Remind people that badass music is always out there, old and new.
Al jourgensen \m/!
I love this hilarious show!! Funny how the parents and society acts, and see how all the style is totally accepted these days!!! Haha!!
I thought her mom was wearing a costume at first 😂
This is fucking hilarious, I mean really. The daughter on that panel is way more conservative looking than her mother. Her mum is a certified freak! I mean look at her fucking hair! And that blue sweater? She's the mum of Bevis and Butthead hands down, hahaha.
lmfao!! If this is freaking them out imagine the parents today with their kids and the internet lol...
These guys are so mild compared to some of the tattooed and pierced people out there today.
Lol do you even talk to tattooed or pierced people?
When I saw this originally, I always thought "Serena Dank" was a great name for a band.
the people in the beginning have a badass last name 'Morrissey'
Stephen Morrissey's a prick.
Morrissey's a twat!! He's the reason I eat meat?! 🤣😂
The first lady would "feel more loose wearing a pair of shorts." I'm going to start saying that from now on. It sounds so nerdy that it's hilarious.
This is so funny ... 'punkers' is that a word ?? And Al in pink, how sweet !!! LMAO ;}
ggforeigner that definitely was / is a word. In the 80s and and 90s the could be call punk rockers or punkers, or even just a punk. I remember that’s how we would describe certain kids at school, at the time as Punkers or say someone was punk. Although after the 90s that word mostly died out
that old guy is a boss
I miss these days sooooooo much !!!
Al fn Jourgenson. No way. Might have been the big changing point to their career
Always a fun watch!
Serena Dank --
"A danky old maid on Phil Donahue confirmed our fears; it's that devil-rcok music you and your friends listen to!" -- Jello Biafra
Setting the future by looking at the past. They do indeed look modern, Makes you wonder how many of those beliefs shaped the world for the better and the worse today.
This could easily be a SNL Skit :)
That girl's mom is Peggy Hill!
Whoa.....
I remember seeing this when it aired. I have told people over the years about this P.O.P. episode, and they just kinda stare at me blankly. I wondered if I had imagined it.
THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING.
Thank you.
P.S. Fred Rated for President.
Robert Silverman now daryth is a teacher, the best one I have ever had
I think Al looked cool here. I don't believe he was forced to do anything regardless of what he says
This was before the days of today of mass posers. No one stands for anything anymore. Chris Brown was wearing a punk leather jacket need I say more. I miss the 80's!! Wish I could take a time machine back.
Fuck today its bcuz not being cliche is cliche.. I always thought punk wasn't fashion it was just about being yourself and not giving a single fuck about making some bs impression
Not a fun time to be alive, though. Music was better but what it was responding too was, somehow, worse than what we have to deal with today.
Going back won't do anything. This has always happened. A good number of hippies grew up to be social conservatives / evangelical christians because they were posers, they joined a movement for self gratification (and probably left it for the same reason), not out of concern for people or issues.
John Lennon verbally abused his son and by accounts, probably beat his wife.
People who have no right to espouse certain ideas always have. People have always hijacked movements without actually appreciating their cause.
YEAH BACK WHEN I WAS A KID AND COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, THOSE ARE THE ONES WHO WERE ACTUALLY POWERFUL
everyone says the same shit about their own influential generation, honey. your mom misses the days when she could really let loose with that beatles record. it's whatever. nobody's seen real cultural death. yet.
Time Circuits on... Flux capacitor fluxing....
Serena Dank has to be the most punk rock nom de plume I've ever heard.
I probably saw this back in the '80s but Phil's ignorance angers me just as much now as it did then. How was the punk rock movement any more shocking than the greasers of the '50s or the hippie movement?
Why would you assign today’s culture toward someone of a far far different era? I’m as liberal as it gets today. Incredibly progressive. I remember telling friends in the 90s how if they got a tattoo everyone would confuse them for a criminal. Most thought like this at the time. Can’t parallel today’s culture to yesteryear
I keep thinking the same thing it’s just like the 50s.
WOW! You’re so WRONG ! He’s an advocate
@67psych, remember this is pre internet so information moved much slower. Unless you saw it on a TV show like this or had an interest in music of this type, you probably wouldn't have known about it. Punk hadn't saturated society and marketeers couldn't find a way to market punk to the public (unlike now) as it's message seemed too dark to be marketable, which helped keep punk a little purer for a little longer (unlike hippie era). Cheers!
"A danky old maid on Phil Donahue confirmed our fears; it's that devil-rcok music you and your friends listen to!" (JB)
The UK punks weren't straight edge, they were bunch of drunk junkies. I grew up in that era, the British scene was stupid, it didn't fit with the American scene. I'm 40 years old and that era shaped my world view to this day, I grew up that way and I still think this world is totally jacked up....many times worst then it was in the 80's, we didn't know how good we had it back then.
Listening to that poor mother " mrs. morrissey " speak about the hardships brought upon the family due to their daughters outrageous dress code...absolutely heartbreaking!!
I guarantee she went to church and lit a candle every day
Mrs. Morrissey should've mentioned her son was in a band called The Smiths. 😁
counceling, and breaking up the family for a style of dress and music?
oh god, heaven forbid, SHORTS!
"it almost broke up my family we went to counseling" get tha fuuuuuuuuuckk out here bro
The guy in the audience was a bouncer at NEO; which is one of Chicago's oldest PUNK nightclubs. The other punk clubs are EXIT and Lucky Number. All 3 have been favorite hangouts of mine since 1990.
Right on Man! I'll check the vocal cover out!
Uncle Al!
Wow, this was exactly 30 years ago, these young people here would be in their 50's now, grandparents lol,
Huh? Good grief. People in their 50s are not typically grandparents. Many may be but they are outliers. Heck most people in 2021 are adopting or having their first child in their 50s
@@beneyboo3800 There is a comma between people in their 50's and grandparents. They are separate.
There is something so genuinely sweet about this. Seeing three generations of people who "rebelled" in the 50s, 60s, and 70s pretending to be freaked out by people "rebelling" in the 80s, while people in the 21st century have NO WAY TO REBEL BECAUSE IT'S ALL BEEN DONE BEFORE. Isn't "Alain" Jourgenson precious here? You just know Donahue's Costume and Makeup worked on him for hours, and he looks like he did five or six lines in the can and then thought, "Aw, fuck it, I'm gonna be famous..."
Phil seems very ⬛ in this interview.
Donahue actually has my respect. Many of the other hosts don’t. Donahue got fired from MSNBC for opposing the war in Iraq
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haha I remember watching this back then, I don't think i'd turned 15 yet & was home skipping school lol
This actually aired in 1982, not 1984. I watched it when it first aired in 1982. I am positive it was 1982 because my brother held a punk rock concert w/ a bunch of bands on my parent;s property summer of 1982. Coincidentally, that show aired and we all sat around watching it. It had to be 1982
The copyright at the end says 1984. Perhaps Donahue did an earlier show on punks in '82?
That's entirely possible, because Phil Donahue mentions having had the Parents of Punkers lady on before. And I remember seeing it in the *early* 80s too, and I remember the audience being a good deal more hostile. I think punk was *a little* less shocking to mainstream America by '84.
It must be ‘84 because Al Jourgensen made his first Ministry record in ‘83
Phil brought me up. If I had let my parents do it… 😂
90% of the guests on Donahue have made it. Success.
lol, that first mom is seriously funny. So funny how they have to defend the way they look like this, when you look at it from a present day perspective.
thanks
Thumbs up for Miss Morrisey's old sense of fashion.
The difference was that we were a more honest society back then. Today's people are very politically correct. I grew up in this era I was born in '73, I grew up on a steady die of punk music, my head shaved to the skin back in a time when that was really considered weird. We had a lot of dysfunction back then, but times were still far better back then before the internet and the mass brainwashing of society.
That lady Anne Morrissey was INSANE! Her daughter didnt even look odd.... she was being super dramatic
Typical press 4 years late on the subject
Ol bitter kooks are dying off
Or becoming President...
Don't worry 35 years from now they'll be saying the same thing about you
Thanks Man! You dig Pantera too?
"Is this a political statement?" "You do this for political reasons?" Calm down, Phil.
Anddd the biggest punchline of all... is that the "then" mothers of these "punks" love their Lady Gaga/ Rihanna smitten grandchildren today, like right now... As we live, like nothing ever happened :)) Poetic justice
11 mins in for Al from Ministry!
I miss these days when being punk rock was “shocking” and adults and other kids treated you as if you joined The Manson Family.😂
@67psych Phil Donahue's show was pitched at middle-class people who live in the American Midwest and South and other places that don't exactly have their finger on the pulse of culture. It took until the early 80s for people outside of NYC/ LA/ Boston/ Chicago to start becoming aware of punk, and at first it was just a small cadre of "hip" music and art types outside the major cities who got into it. The media was afraid of showing punk because it was scary and punks swore on air...
I LOVE that older "punker" in the audience.
I grew up playing music in my local punk seen I was always a fan of the music and I also consider myself a conservative but I'm open minded and try to understand the perspectives of people. But I never had a Mohawk, I didn't dye my hair a certain color I wore band shirts and loved the music. I think Punk Rock music can be appreciated by real people because the music is raw and wasn't corrupted by the mainstream and the radio... I was never into music on the radio or looking and acting like everybody else and I was always brought up to be my own person.. I think the music attracts people for different reasons but I don't think this people should be looked down upon because they don't want to act like everybody else.
"I went bananas"
It's so funny how upset folks were by this back then, instead of just saying "well, every generation dresses differently."
I remember back in the seventies, you literaly got beatnen up for dressing punk, and now people hardly notice.
that girl said "if everyday is Halloween would be great". Wonder if Al took that and made the Ministry song Everyday is Halloween? crazy
Jesus built my hot rod, that is Awesome! He was a new waver...
Does anyone have the earlier Donahue punk show about 1980 or so?
Genius man
"I'm myself but I don't let it affect others".
No... you've got it all wrong:
The punks don't let it affect other people, other people let it affect other people by choosing to be offended.
i was only 12 in 84 if would be a few more years before i was hanging out, but what i always hated about these shows was everyone trying to explain themselves. i was always like its very simple, i like it. i am not rebelling, i am not making a statement, its nothing political, im not doing it for attention. i like how it looks i like ho it sounds and it really is that simple, most of the people in the scene i can take or leave just like with any other people, any scene any subculture has a small handful of people that are actually the really cool really creative and interesting people. then you have loads and loads of people that are just there and regardless of how they are dressed they are not very interesting, i dressed and looked and hung out with certain cliques but the people i really liked were often divided up into various cliques and scenes. because the interesting people and loyal people are the friends you really want regardless of their jacket or boots.
the best times i had in my life were in my teens and twenties hanging out at the local goth and punk clubs, all dressed up and feeling cool, but like i said the worst part about the scene was most of the other people there.
back in the 80s when i started hanging out i was like 16 years old and i was 6'5" ad dressed wild but i always considered myself a conservative person. and i am hanging out in a punk and goth scene where everyone is ultra liberal but then i go hangout and they are all just Catty and Judgmental and Gossipy, always just trashing each other behind their backs. they were actually very prude and always slut shaming some girl they dont like and things like that, so i just never liked or got along with most of them. this whole idea of joining a tribe and everyone around you now are cool and have your same interests and thoughts is not true.
dont get me wrong i had and have and am aware that i too can be completely elitist and judgmental, but i just found lot of people in the scene very unlikable just like with any other group of people. and at the heart the more any subculture grows the more it becomes bloated with people that are not the innovators, the people that are bot the creative or interesting people. and the next thing that happens is those scenes keep going and growing but those creative and interesting people that started it soon move on to something new and then they are being called posers for leaving the scene, by the people that FOLLOWED them into the scene in the first place.
Hahaha... I have been a part of the punk community for over 25 years. Even with all that time, it doesn't change that the community, as a whole, is largely built upon youth who, due to age and limited life experience, are ignorant and idealistic. Even more, despite the verbal claims, their quest to 'not conform' is traveled within a conflicting quest to conform to a completely different norm. THEY ARE ALL SO DIFFERENT, BUT ALL SO ALIKE.
No harm is done though. Kids being kids.
All of these kids are in their 50s now.....
or older
That lady said if she was in shorts, she wouldn't be as proper... i felt bad for her. She seemed brainwashed
@louiscfc93 As a general point I agree with you. However, as a matter of just describing musical genres, no one has ever categorized Bad Brains or Clash as anything other than punk. Ministry and Al definitely went off in a different musical direction, more of a post-punk thing like Cure, Nine Inch Nails, etc.
Yes.
Ministry is still cool!
This is hilarious!! If only kids today were this "bad" :)! If ONLY today's kids were as unique and non-comformist! And I would LOVE to see an update on these kids, who are now middle aged!
some kids still are. remember that the majority of kids in every generation are conformist. Thats why alternative kids are called “alternative”.
I was a punk/goth in the mid eighties. I remembered people use to be easily shocked by punk/goth clothing.
I don't think I could tolerate today the amount of verbal abuse and obnoxious comments I use to receive walking down the street. 😂
I could also put Skrewdriver, Fortress and a few other old time Punk bands in the extreme right category.
That's the point they are right now in my country france 2023 right now. This was 1984 in US and UK. Hopefully all this society issues were absorbed by metal bands and music. Waouh anyway I am impressed by this video. In france they have this kind of discussions at the moment. So apparently France is 50 years too late as usually, compared to US and UK's tv broadcasts.
1984? What took you so long, Phil?
I think it is sad how some of the audience are judging and saying bad things about the "punkers" just because of the way they look/are dressed.
8:30 The old woman looks so ignorant there, shows no empathy, but more like she's dumbfounded to think of them a human beings, not looking at someone at how he or she are on the inside, but only the outside matters, only the appearances matter. Appearances can be deceiving, if you're wearing a suit that doesn't mean you're not a serial killer, take for example Ted Bundy, he was a charming guy, he wore suits, but he was a serial killer. So what do we conclude from this? Never judge a book by its cover, and don't judge so you wouldn't be judged. From this preconceived judgement stems the issue of racism as well, the fear of the unknown.
I really don't understand why your comment didn't get any likes. You took the words out of my mouth.
@@Sluj666 thanks 👍