I am working on a project to drop a plane from space with a weather balloon can you give a plane design with big wings to fit many solar panels as possible
@@creativitybooth8115 Man that's a hell of mission to tackle if you don't know about aerodynamics. Also likely super illegal depending on location and prior approval/licensing.
Fantastic! I find it fascinating that you've adopted a bit of a "Slave One"-style orientation rather than something with a more horizontal juxtaposition, and I absolutely love it. Great work, sir.
@@codetech5598 You're the only one I see complaining. It's funny how the people most insulted by the notion of censorship so often end up using bad examples of it to passive-aggressively complain.
And Tom Stanton that's where I heard of project air when they did the miniature bouncing bomb with an RC Lancaster bomber and as soon as I see that video i was like I need to subscribe to project air and his projects have just gotten cooler! And all the channels you said are excellent as well... and yours is pretty cool too 👍 😉
Hey Jay, you should team up with one (or all) of these guys on an ionic wind powered plane! Or maybe realize Tesla's dream of a plane powered wirelessly by a massive DRSSTC. If anyone can do it it's you. If you do the latter make sure get Integza in on that somehow. I feel like he might not forgive you otherwise. 🤣
Except Peter stripol makes absolute trash and usually breaks it before it can actually function. Hes fine with a mediocre display. But I prefer when people put effort and care into making something work properly. But that's just me aparently..
@@shikhar3281 that applies to every police department in our current world system, no need to put an acronym for it.. its already established and just is what it is
Just love seeing the failures... and him not quitting. No one that hides failure can really science all that well. You can learn to walk without falling if you're held up and protected... but it takes longer and you learn less. I love seeing someone earn their success. Love the "back to the drawing board" mentality. Much respect.
You don’t have a horizontal stabilizer. You made essentially a flying wing with no ailerons or elevator. Very cool that’s you’re trying to make something cool and seems like you had a lot of fun doing it.
@@ledocteur7701 that’s not really stabilization, that would be balance. Stabilization is active, using air flow to keep something stable. I think your plane could fly if it had stabilizers on it.
Yeah, the fact is, you made the job really hard for yourself by not just replacing the airfoils of a fixed wing aircraft, but also chucking the stabilizing features including dihedral and empennage. You also induced a counterproductive moment with your propeller position. Nevertheless, you made it fly...bravo!
Nice job James! Keep pushing the edge. I love your creativity, ingenuity and persistence, that's an excellent formula for success. Love your channel and I recommend to all of my younger engineering friends and colleagues as a good example of how to get things done. Once again, well done!
Seems like a bit of the 'pendulum fallacy' may still be in play. Perhaps a few degrees of 'dihedral' in the axles would help stability in the roll axis.
Man that's awesome! I would recommend making the tubes slightly dihedral to make it more horizontally stable and a fixed vertical stabilizer so it'll move in a much more straight direction. Cheerios!
You need to look into harmonic balancing of your "Wings". Pretty much the same thing that is done to your tires when you get them balanced. It will stop oscillations because of two spinning axis's that are off balanced. Could explain the bank/yaw that you are also getting. With a good balancing, you should not only be able to get a more controllable/sustainable flight but, you could even get it to hover without it lawn-darting into the ground.
Hey man that is pretty freaking cool, I give you a 10/10 for finding a common scientific physics phenomenon that is relatable to almost everyone in all corners of the globe, and exploiting said phenomenon for aviation purposes never before seen!
I wonder if there is a more efficent fuselage /body design. I've seen petersripol swap the wings for the magnus rotors on a normal plane design, and i've also seen a video of a drone with four magnus effect rotors on a drone instead of propelers. I wonder if there's a middle ground, wich has both controlability and stability.
Hey, few experiments you dear : 1. Try to put fan on the top of it like choper have to give initial hight and thrust, after reaching good hight you can turn it off. 2. Try to increase the length of stem of fan that you had attack and try to put that stem of fan in very middle of both the rollers. 3. Try to make rollers like this sign * Means make small edges or sharpe humps on the surface of circular roller which will look like this * I'm subscribed to your channel with bell button on and waiting for more experiment in this invention. Good luck from land of 1.3 billions people - Bharat
I like this! Nice catch on the thrust point being too low. Have you tried having the prop be a 'pusher' orientation? I'm curious if that would give smoother air over the rollers to help their effectiveness, or if the thrust from the prop actually makes them work better due to the air it throws over them.
you don't need a circular core for the Magnus effect, think about a steamboat paddle. You can make a thin slat, like Venetian blind slat, work as a Magnus airfoil that displaces air reasonably well. You might make an aero-spike-like variant by cutting your cylinders into four sections along their axis, then reversing each section so it is concave when viewed from the outside, and gluing or taping them together.
The "stem" seems to be one of the main breaking points. Could the design be adapted to fit carbon fibre rods? As far as I understand it should get lighter and more durable
@@cap5856 it doesn't look like that in the video. There is the announcment picture where it has the right texture but in the end he said to PRINT it with more infill
@@cap5856 Your comment was redundant because Nutmeg had already acknowledged carbon fibre had been used in the frame. When he originally suggested the use of carbon fibre he was unaware that it had been tested. Assuming he knows what the meaning of 'moot' is, he would also be able to deduce that his suggestion had already been tested and wasn't useful. Your comment was superfluous (synonymous with redundant) if we assume Nutmeg is capable of the most rudimentary level of critical thought/reasoning.
Noob here so pardon me if my question is dumb. Any thoughts on spinning the two drums separately and varying their relative speeds to help manage yaw/pitch? Like I mentioned my understanding of all this is limited so I'm not sure which axis this would impact more.
I doubt you will see this comment, but why not use four rotors for stability? If that works better you could even use two motors (L and R) for roll control
please revisit this :) Could use one white tube rather than two, putting the battery inside the rotating wing, with bits hanging out either end that hang downwards to stop the battery spinning round instead of the wing, remove the tie-fighter bits from the ends of the "wings", and if possible remove the propeller. It'd look even more spooky to see it fly :)
About thirty years ago I saw the wind blow a thrown away polystyrene milk shake container off the ground and my observation was that it was actually flying rather than being blown. I made a mental note that I must look more into the phenomenon later on . You have answered all my questions of 30 years ago.
Very interesting, makes me ask questions! 1 I wonder about the effects of using a slightly oval rotating tube? What of an egg shaped tube, wonder if that would fly? 2. The lack of directional control was likely more to do with the length of the craft, centre of pressure, battery location, and the location of the directional drag component (the rudder)! What about extending the build? 3. What about adding 2 small motorised gyroscopes (one clockwise, the other counter clockwise) in a trailing tail assembly instead of a rudder which could steer by adjusting the speed of each of the two of gyros?
Thank you so much for showing your whole process. This is a great show of design mind set that failure is not a bad things. I see to many young people give up when they fail thinking they have lost. Failing and failing fast is key to learning new skills you will in time have a massive win. So to those in school or those learning a new skill, if your not failing your not learning anything new. Keep up your great work.
So for a science fair project I had set up and illustration in research panel on all the different ways to generate lift. I actually found that the Magnus effect is much stronger if you use something like a paint roller. Pretty much the principal uses drag to create lift and if you want more low speed lift you need more drag. Also a rear horizontal stabilizer seems to be the way to go with dealing with pitch problems.
I've been fascinated by the magnus effect since I saw that basket ball video. Thank you for visiting this concept, I hope you do more with it. My understanding of it is that the higher the speed it's spinning, the better. More surface area I think would also be better. I wonder if there is a sweet spot for radius? So many aspects of this I would love to experiment with.
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There's something delightfully unnatural about watching that thing actually fly
I’m still surprised the Magnus Effect is that powerful to easily lift 600g of plane! ☺️
I am working on a project to drop a plane from space with a weather balloon can you give a plane design with big wings to fit many solar panels as possible
@@creativitybooth8115 a glider? Big wing, so many place to fit solar panels
@@creativitybooth8115 Man that's a hell of mission to tackle if you don't know about aerodynamics. Also likely super illegal depending on location and prior approval/licensing.
@@thirtythreeeyes8624 as I am in india it is legal and there is no airport in the city I live so there must be no problem
Fantastic! I find it fascinating that you've adopted a bit of a "Slave One"-style orientation rather than something with a more horizontal juxtaposition, and I absolutely love it. Great work, sir.
Thank you!
I was gonna say it reminded me of a B-Wing, but yeah slave 1 is more accurate.
I love the star wars vibe with this thing 👌
You are not allowed to use the word "slave" anymore.
@@codetech5598 You're the only one I see complaining. It's funny how the people most insulted by the notion of censorship so often end up using bad examples of it to passive-aggressively complain.
Wicked cool. You're basically Alec steel meets Peter Sripol. Solid job on the video, and build.
And Tom Stanton that's where I heard of project air when they did the miniature bouncing bomb with an RC Lancaster bomber and as soon as I see that video i was like I need to subscribe to project air and his projects have just gotten cooler!
And all the channels you said are excellent as well... and yours is pretty cool too 👍 😉
Looks like J is the fan of aerodynamics
Hey Jay, you should team up with one (or all) of these guys on an ionic wind powered plane! Or maybe realize Tesla's dream of a plane powered wirelessly by a massive DRSSTC. If anyone can do it it's you. If you do the latter make sure get Integza in on that somehow. I feel like he might not forgive you otherwise. 🤣
Except Peter stripol makes absolute trash and usually breaks it before it can actually function. Hes fine with a mediocre display. But I prefer when people put effort and care into making something work properly. But that's just me aparently..
Your brihish and I know that for a fact
You should call it: "the flying paint roller"
Senpai noticed me
More like Wireless Paint Roller.
i was thinking flying toilet paper dispenser or the FTPD
@@shannonm3841 fricking trash police Department?
@@shikhar3281 that applies to every police department in our current world system, no need to put an acronym for it.. its already established and just is what it is
Make a fuselage design that is smooth and covers everything and it’s something straight out of despicable me
The 'Gru-mman Grassdiver'?. . . (sorry : )
@@loddude5706 Nah, its the Slave-One
10:36 when it starts working and you can hear the happiness in his voice is priceless, Truly little nuggets of greatness on TH-cam
The aircraft is asserting dominance
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Just love seeing the failures... and him not quitting. No one that hides failure can really science all that well. You can learn to walk without falling if you're held up and protected... but it takes longer and you learn less. I love seeing someone earn their success. Love the "back to the drawing board" mentality. Much respect.
Wow . I haven't watched it fully but I know it's gonna be nice
You don’t have a horizontal stabilizer. You made essentially a flying wing with no ailerons or elevator. Very cool that’s you’re trying to make something cool and seems like you had a lot of fun doing it.
horizontal stabilisation is provided by the center of mass being far below the center of lift, an airplane style horizontal stabilizer might help tho.
@@ledocteur7701 that’s not really stabilization, that would be balance. Stabilization is active, using air flow to keep something stable. I think your plane could fly if it had stabilizers on it.
Yeah, the fact is, you made the job really hard for yourself by not just replacing the airfoils of a fixed wing aircraft, but also chucking the stabilizing features including dihedral and empennage. You also induced a counterproductive moment with your propeller position. Nevertheless, you made it fly...bravo!
Nice job James! Keep pushing the edge. I love your creativity, ingenuity and persistence, that's an excellent formula for success. Love your channel and I recommend to all of my younger engineering friends and colleagues as a good example of how to get things done. Once again, well done!
That’s great! Glad you like my videos, cheers
I love your content. That was a great idea. These magnus effect 'aircraft' are never easy. Excellent work!!!!
Wow you actually managed to make an rc plane like this :D
How about a magnus effect monocopter? Don’t think I’ve seen that done, and your project history is pointing you right in that direction
Actually, rocket powered too :)
The funny flying T got the thumbs up from me.
But it is maybe worth referencing previous Magnus Effect flying craft.
For a side project this was bloody amazing!
Of all the aerodynamic principles out there, the Magnus effect spins me out the most.
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good at removing fluff and flying! this looks insane and bloody cool. good job sir
Great work as always, as someone who is interested in aerospace engineering I found this really fascinating
Its supper cool that you made the correct analysis of the flaws and good corrections that worked! proper application of the scientific method!
Que legal novas intenções surgindo.
Parabéns ao Canal 👏👏👏👍
So glad you persevered and had success.
That one was incredible, i love it so much
One of the most unusual craft I've seen in a very long time.
Good job.
Seems like a bit of the 'pendulum fallacy' may still be in play. Perhaps a few degrees of 'dihedral' in the axles would help stability in the roll axis.
The timestamps are amazing. A real man of the ppl here
Hey Man, felt a real pleasure seeing u succeed, keep this going on.
I felt your elation and was very happy for you. Nice work!
Man that's awesome! I would recommend making the tubes slightly dihedral to make it more horizontally stable and a fixed vertical stabilizer so it'll move in a much more straight direction.
Cheerios!
it might be more stable if u use 2 pairs of "wings" (1 in the front, 1 in the back)
ya actually that would help
Good for you kiddo!! Youre on to something. Thats how greatness is born bro!!
Well Done 😎👍👍
Very direct and honest and didn’t clown it up too much.
AWESOME
You need to look into harmonic balancing of your "Wings". Pretty much the same thing that is done to your tires when you get them balanced. It will stop oscillations because of two spinning axis's that are off balanced. Could explain the bank/yaw that you are also getting. With a good balancing, you should not only be able to get a more controllable/sustainable flight but, you could even get it to hover without it lawn-darting into the ground.
Great engineering mindset! Just keep going ;)
This is an absolutely amazing project. I find that effect still totally fascinating!
I admire your persistence. What a result!
0:40 you're telling me you're Kevin de Bruyne's long lost RC loving brother?
Great video. Nice use of the word "snapage". Or, possibly, invention. Keep the videos coming.
Amazing
I love you put the ad a part of the video to easier skipping :)
Hey man that is pretty freaking cool, I give you a 10/10 for finding a common scientific physics phenomenon that is relatable to almost everyone in all corners of the globe, and exploiting said phenomenon for aviation purposes never before seen!
Btw, it was used in aviation, and it was not successful, because of the drag, he also had to face it in the video and rebuild his aircraft
Congrats! That's really quite a contraption. Nice work getting it to fly.
Thanks!
I wonder if there is a more efficent fuselage /body design. I've seen petersripol swap the wings for the magnus rotors on a normal plane design, and i've also seen a video of a drone with four magnus effect rotors on a drone instead of propelers. I wonder if there's a middle ground, wich has both controlability and stability.
My most recent design is stable and has landing gear for takeoff and landing.
Hey, few experiments you dear :
1. Try to put fan on the top of it like choper have to give initial hight and thrust, after reaching good hight you can turn it off.
2. Try to increase the length of stem of fan that you had attack and try to put that stem of fan in very middle of both the rollers.
3. Try to make rollers like this sign *
Means make small edges or sharpe humps on the surface of circular roller which will look like this *
I'm subscribed to your channel with bell button on and waiting for more experiment in this invention.
Good luck from land of 1.3 billions people - Bharat
Does the speed of the rotors change the lift characteristics? If so, you could have a small "tail rotor" that you vary the speed of as an elevator.
yes indeed it does, faster cylinder rotation makes more lift
The shere, authentic joy at the end and 'keep watching it!!' 😂 just made my day
I like this! Nice catch on the thrust point being too low. Have you tried having the prop be a 'pusher' orientation? I'm curious if that would give smoother air over the rollers to help their effectiveness, or if the thrust from the prop actually makes them work better due to the air it throws over them.
no dihedral == no yaw stability. Spin some cones up rather than cylinders.
looks fairly strange that
you don't need a circular core for the Magnus effect, think about a steamboat paddle. You can make a thin slat, like Venetian blind slat, work as a Magnus airfoil that displaces air reasonably well. You might make an aero-spike-like variant by cutting your cylinders into four sections along their axis, then reversing each section so it is concave when viewed from the outside, and gluing or taping them together.
Amazing i am from indonesia
Welcome aboard!
Appreciate the visual ad disclaimer
The "stem" seems to be one of the main breaking points. Could the design be adapted to fit carbon fibre rods? As far as I understand it should get lighter and more durable
@@cap5856 it doesn't look like that in the video. There is the announcment picture where it has the right texture but in the end he said to PRINT it with more infill
@@cap5856 yeah ok, the last rod is carbon fibre, but the one before that definitely wasn't
@@cap5856 Thank you captain obvious for your redundant commentary
@@nutmeg8363 To confirm, all of the fuselage and rotor axle tubes used in the build were carbon fibre. Some were thicker than others.
@@cap5856 Your comment was redundant because Nutmeg had already acknowledged carbon fibre had been used in the frame. When he originally suggested the use of carbon fibre he was unaware that it had been tested. Assuming he knows what the meaning of 'moot' is, he would also be able to deduce that his suggestion had already been tested and wasn't useful. Your comment was superfluous (synonymous with redundant) if we assume Nutmeg is capable of the most rudimentary level of critical thought/reasoning.
I started watching with some skepticism but found myself fascinated. Very well done and I subscribed.
ah yes flying T post
lol
James. You are already an incredible inventor.
good day to random person scrolling down coments :)
Hello from 2 years in the future.
Ily
You too!
Hey! Thank you! 🎉 I hope you are keeping well. ❤
Well done, what a great feeling when a project finally works.
Noob here so pardon me if my question is dumb. Any thoughts on spinning the two drums separately and varying their relative speeds to help manage yaw/pitch? Like I mentioned my understanding of all this is limited so I'm not sure which axis this would impact more.
Roll/bank/turn, or yaw - I think.
Pitch would be spinning both faster/slower to vary the reaction against the fuselage.
Extraordinary ❤🤟
I haven't seen such machine before.
wow
Wow well done! Glad your persistence was rewarded... that's got to feel good.
I doubt you will see this comment, but why not use four rotors for stability? If that works better you could even use two motors (L and R) for roll control
Awesome, glad to see it fly at the end !
Я тоже как ребенок радовался за автора, когда ему удалось сделать это !
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please revisit this :) Could use one white tube rather than two, putting the battery inside the rotating wing, with bits hanging out either end that hang downwards to stop the battery spinning round instead of the wing, remove the tie-fighter bits from the ends of the "wings", and if possible remove the propeller. It'd look even more spooky to see it fly :)
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About thirty years ago I saw the wind blow a thrown away polystyrene milk shake container off the ground and my observation was that it was actually flying rather than being blown. I made a mental note that I must look more into the phenomenon later on . You have answered all my questions of 30 years ago.
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Props to you for not putting it behind a paywall.
With this smal Diameter you need high Rpm. Usw KFC bucket this works great
Brilliant job, man. That was a wild ride.
Fortnite gliders be like:
dude......so happy I found this channel.....shout out from South Africa my friend
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Very good. You had success that was elusive for the others that had tried the concept.
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You're a mad genius. Never stop.
Your tenacity is inspiring! :)
Great to see that thing finally flying - looks great. You're excitement says it all!
Need counter rotating trust motors/motor. Very impressive flight and the idea is exceptional. Very good job!
I’m just happy for, watching your excitement over your successful flight! Haha. Good stuff.
This is crazy. It's really flying.
Wow, amazing you found a good equilibrium on the craft
Keep developing this concept. It has a lot of potential and is a nice aesthetic change from the standard airplanes.
Great job showing off your engineering design process!
Never heard of the magnus effect but since you killed it, well done and thank you!
Very interesting, makes me ask questions!
1 I wonder about the effects of using a slightly oval rotating tube? What of an egg shaped tube, wonder if that would fly?
2. The lack of directional control was likely more to do with the length of the craft, centre of pressure, battery location, and the location of the directional drag component (the rudder)! What about extending the build?
3. What about adding 2 small motorised gyroscopes (one clockwise, the other counter clockwise) in a trailing tail assembly instead of a rudder which could steer by adjusting the speed of each of the two of gyros?
Thank you so much for showing your whole process. This is a great show of design mind set that failure is not a bad things. I see to many young people give up when they fail thinking they have lost. Failing and failing fast is key to learning new skills you will in time have a massive win. So to those in school or those learning a new skill, if your not failing your not learning anything new. Keep up your great work.
Brilliant looking craft. Amazing to see it fly.
So for a science fair project I had set up and illustration in research panel on all the different ways to generate lift. I actually found that the Magnus effect is much stronger if you use something like a paint roller. Pretty much the principal uses drag to create lift and if you want more low speed lift you need more drag. Also a rear horizontal stabilizer seems to be the way to go with dealing with pitch problems.
came here from the diy perks channel and the submarine collab. absolutely will stay here :D awesome channel
Wtf it's insane!!
I couldn't believe you pulled this off with motors!!
It was a challenge!
This video deserves more views. Sweet accomplishment dude!
That final configuration was a genuine surprise. More like a powered kite but great fun!
Very cool! Don't forget you've also made a gyroscope here... That means your rudder will be causing pitching as well as yawing!
I've been fascinated by the magnus effect since I saw that basket ball video. Thank you for visiting this concept, I hope you do more with it.
My understanding of it is that the higher the speed it's spinning, the better. More surface area I think would also be better. I wonder if there is a sweet spot for radius? So many aspects of this I would love to experiment with.
@test time you do what a helicopter does, get to the ground as soon as possible lol
i was so happy you got it going in the end what a novel aircraft.
I felt your happiness! You are truly living, bro. Thank you for inspiring us!!!!