I am working on a project to drop a plane from space with a weather balloon can you give a plane design with big wings to fit many solar panels as possible
@@creativitybooth8115 Man that's a hell of mission to tackle if you don't know about aerodynamics. Also likely super illegal depending on location and prior approval/licensing.
And Tom Stanton that's where I heard of project air when they did the miniature bouncing bomb with an RC Lancaster bomber and as soon as I see that video i was like I need to subscribe to project air and his projects have just gotten cooler! And all the channels you said are excellent as well... and yours is pretty cool too 👍 😉
Hey Jay, you should team up with one (or all) of these guys on an ionic wind powered plane! Or maybe realize Tesla's dream of a plane powered wirelessly by a massive DRSSTC. If anyone can do it it's you. If you do the latter make sure get Integza in on that somehow. I feel like he might not forgive you otherwise. 🤣
Except Peter stripol makes absolute trash and usually breaks it before it can actually function. Hes fine with a mediocre display. But I prefer when people put effort and care into making something work properly. But that's just me aparently..
Fantastic! I find it fascinating that you've adopted a bit of a "Slave One"-style orientation rather than something with a more horizontal juxtaposition, and I absolutely love it. Great work, sir.
@@codetech5598 You're the only one I see complaining. It's funny how the people most insulted by the notion of censorship so often end up using bad examples of it to passive-aggressively complain.
@@shikhar3281 that applies to every police department in our current world system, no need to put an acronym for it.. its already established and just is what it is
Just love seeing the failures... and him not quitting. No one that hides failure can really science all that well. You can learn to walk without falling if you're held up and protected... but it takes longer and you learn less. I love seeing someone earn their success. Love the "back to the drawing board" mentality. Much respect.
Nice job James! Keep pushing the edge. I love your creativity, ingenuity and persistence, that's an excellent formula for success. Love your channel and I recommend to all of my younger engineering friends and colleagues as a good example of how to get things done. Once again, well done!
You don’t have a horizontal stabilizer. You made essentially a flying wing with no ailerons or elevator. Very cool that’s you’re trying to make something cool and seems like you had a lot of fun doing it.
@@ledocteur7701 that’s not really stabilization, that would be balance. Stabilization is active, using air flow to keep something stable. I think your plane could fly if it had stabilizers on it.
Yeah, the fact is, you made the job really hard for yourself by not just replacing the airfoils of a fixed wing aircraft, but also chucking the stabilizing features including dihedral and empennage. You also induced a counterproductive moment with your propeller position. Nevertheless, you made it fly...bravo!
About thirty years ago I saw the wind blow a thrown away polystyrene milk shake container off the ground and my observation was that it was actually flying rather than being blown. I made a mental note that I must look more into the phenomenon later on . You have answered all my questions of 30 years ago.
Man that's awesome! I would recommend making the tubes slightly dihedral to make it more horizontally stable and a fixed vertical stabilizer so it'll move in a much more straight direction. Cheerios!
Seems like a bit of the 'pendulum fallacy' may still be in play. Perhaps a few degrees of 'dihedral' in the axles would help stability in the roll axis.
Hey man that is pretty freaking cool, I give you a 10/10 for finding a common scientific physics phenomenon that is relatable to almost everyone in all corners of the globe, and exploiting said phenomenon for aviation purposes never before seen!
I am so glad you didn't give up because that was crazy- wild. That was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. And now that you've proven that it can be done. Somebody has to take it to the next level. Great job kid-o, and Thanks for hanging in there.
Thank you so much for showing your whole process. This is a great show of design mind set that failure is not a bad things. I see to many young people give up when they fail thinking they have lost. Failing and failing fast is key to learning new skills you will in time have a massive win. So to those in school or those learning a new skill, if your not failing your not learning anything new. Keep up your great work.
you don't need a circular core for the Magnus effect, think about a steamboat paddle. You can make a thin slat, like Venetian blind slat, work as a Magnus airfoil that displaces air reasonably well. You might make an aero-spike-like variant by cutting your cylinders into four sections along their axis, then reversing each section so it is concave when viewed from the outside, and gluing or taping them together.
I wonder if there is a more efficent fuselage /body design. I've seen petersripol swap the wings for the magnus rotors on a normal plane design, and i've also seen a video of a drone with four magnus effect rotors on a drone instead of propelers. I wonder if there's a middle ground, wich has both controlability and stability.
Noob here so pardon me if my question is dumb. Any thoughts on spinning the two drums separately and varying their relative speeds to help manage yaw/pitch? Like I mentioned my understanding of all this is limited so I'm not sure which axis this would impact more.
I like this! Nice catch on the thrust point being too low. Have you tried having the prop be a 'pusher' orientation? I'm curious if that would give smoother air over the rollers to help their effectiveness, or if the thrust from the prop actually makes them work better due to the air it throws over them.
Props to you for giving plans for free instead of selling them, good mentality. I didn't skip the ad and might go over patreon if I get more money next year. BTW not intending on building one myself, you're way to crazy man, keep it up 🤙🏼
I doubt you will see this comment, but why not use four rotors for stability? If that works better you could even use two motors (L and R) for roll control
Hey, few experiments you dear : 1. Try to put fan on the top of it like choper have to give initial hight and thrust, after reaching good hight you can turn it off. 2. Try to increase the length of stem of fan that you had attack and try to put that stem of fan in very middle of both the rollers. 3. Try to make rollers like this sign * Means make small edges or sharpe humps on the surface of circular roller which will look like this * I'm subscribed to your channel with bell button on and waiting for more experiment in this invention. Good luck from land of 1.3 billions people - Bharat
4:35 No not really a new pulley but addition of edge to prevent it from sliding off. If you used ABS platic, you can chemically weld the ABS plastic washer in place using acetone and since there is hole there you can make small ring to center it properly. This way you save filament. I have used this technique even on failed prints, by counting, or looking on the software what layer it was doing, calculating the height using layer height, removing bottom peace how ever high it was in cad, printing the rest, removing how many layers were failure, sanding both surfaces even and chemically welding them together. Then sanding and filling any imperfections with putty made of abs support material and acetone in glass jar with suitable sealing metal lid. If putty dries into container, just get it loose from glass if possible and pour in more acetone and in a day you have more putty or slurry depending how much you have added acetone.
You need to look into harmonic balancing of your "Wings". Pretty much the same thing that is done to your tires when you get them balanced. It will stop oscillations because of two spinning axis's that are off balanced. Could explain the bank/yaw that you are also getting. With a good balancing, you should not only be able to get a more controllable/sustainable flight but, you could even get it to hover without it lawn-darting into the ground.
Three things to make a Magnus wing work better: Shorter span. Larger diameter. Higher RPM. And a fourth: Surface texture affects performance. Too smooth reduces lift efficiency, too coarse a texture greatly increases drag. I suggest testing by wrapping the cylinder in sheets of sandpaper at differing grit levels from super coarse to the finest available.
So for a science fair project I had set up and illustration in research panel on all the different ways to generate lift. I actually found that the Magnus effect is much stronger if you use something like a paint roller. Pretty much the principal uses drag to create lift and if you want more low speed lift you need more drag. Also a rear horizontal stabilizer seems to be the way to go with dealing with pitch problems.
6:55 "the Magnus effect is such an unknown concept" No, it is a very well known concept, it has been for a very long time. Don't worry though, according to the ideal lift theory, you can get an estimate of the lift produced as L=air_density*airspeed*2pi*r^2*w where r is the radius of your cylinders, and w is the angular speed of the cylinders in rad/s. In this way you can calculate your necessary rotor speed. Keep in mind though that this equation only works until r^2*w = 2. Hope it helped, also wouldn't mind some basic engineering behind your projects besides guesswork :)
Very interesting, makes me ask questions! 1 I wonder about the effects of using a slightly oval rotating tube? What of an egg shaped tube, wonder if that would fly? 2. The lack of directional control was likely more to do with the length of the craft, centre of pressure, battery location, and the location of the directional drag component (the rudder)! What about extending the build? 3. What about adding 2 small motorised gyroscopes (one clockwise, the other counter clockwise) in a trailing tail assembly instead of a rudder which could steer by adjusting the speed of each of the two of gyros?
There's something delightfully unnatural about watching that thing actually fly
I’m still surprised the Magnus Effect is that powerful to easily lift 600g of plane! ☺️
I am working on a project to drop a plane from space with a weather balloon can you give a plane design with big wings to fit many solar panels as possible
@@creativitybooth8115 a glider? Big wing, so many place to fit solar panels
@@creativitybooth8115 Man that's a hell of mission to tackle if you don't know about aerodynamics. Also likely super illegal depending on location and prior approval/licensing.
@@thirtythreeeyes8624 as I am in india it is legal and there is no airport in the city I live so there must be no problem
Wicked cool. You're basically Alec steel meets Peter Sripol. Solid job on the video, and build.
And Tom Stanton that's where I heard of project air when they did the miniature bouncing bomb with an RC Lancaster bomber and as soon as I see that video i was like I need to subscribe to project air and his projects have just gotten cooler!
And all the channels you said are excellent as well... and yours is pretty cool too 👍 😉
Looks like J is the fan of aerodynamics
Hey Jay, you should team up with one (or all) of these guys on an ionic wind powered plane! Or maybe realize Tesla's dream of a plane powered wirelessly by a massive DRSSTC. If anyone can do it it's you. If you do the latter make sure get Integza in on that somehow. I feel like he might not forgive you otherwise. 🤣
Except Peter stripol makes absolute trash and usually breaks it before it can actually function. Hes fine with a mediocre display. But I prefer when people put effort and care into making something work properly. But that's just me aparently..
Your brihish and I know that for a fact
Fantastic! I find it fascinating that you've adopted a bit of a "Slave One"-style orientation rather than something with a more horizontal juxtaposition, and I absolutely love it. Great work, sir.
Thank you!
I was gonna say it reminded me of a B-Wing, but yeah slave 1 is more accurate.
I love the star wars vibe with this thing 👌
You are not allowed to use the word "slave" anymore.
@@codetech5598 You're the only one I see complaining. It's funny how the people most insulted by the notion of censorship so often end up using bad examples of it to passive-aggressively complain.
You should call it: "the flying paint roller"
Senpai noticed me
More like Wireless Paint Roller.
i was thinking flying toilet paper dispenser or the FTPD
@@shannonm3841 fricking trash police Department?
@@shikhar3281 that applies to every police department in our current world system, no need to put an acronym for it.. its already established and just is what it is
10:36 when it starts working and you can hear the happiness in his voice is priceless, Truly little nuggets of greatness on TH-cam
Make a fuselage design that is smooth and covers everything and it’s something straight out of despicable me
The 'Gru-mman Grassdiver'?. . . (sorry : )
@@loddude5706 Nah, its the Slave-One
Just love seeing the failures... and him not quitting. No one that hides failure can really science all that well. You can learn to walk without falling if you're held up and protected... but it takes longer and you learn less. I love seeing someone earn their success. Love the "back to the drawing board" mentality. Much respect.
Wow . I haven't watched it fully but I know it's gonna be nice
I love your content. That was a great idea. These magnus effect 'aircraft' are never easy. Excellent work!!!!
Nice job James! Keep pushing the edge. I love your creativity, ingenuity and persistence, that's an excellent formula for success. Love your channel and I recommend to all of my younger engineering friends and colleagues as a good example of how to get things done. Once again, well done!
That’s great! Glad you like my videos, cheers
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You don’t have a horizontal stabilizer. You made essentially a flying wing with no ailerons or elevator. Very cool that’s you’re trying to make something cool and seems like you had a lot of fun doing it.
horizontal stabilisation is provided by the center of mass being far below the center of lift, an airplane style horizontal stabilizer might help tho.
@@ledocteur7701 that’s not really stabilization, that would be balance. Stabilization is active, using air flow to keep something stable. I think your plane could fly if it had stabilizers on it.
Yeah, the fact is, you made the job really hard for yourself by not just replacing the airfoils of a fixed wing aircraft, but also chucking the stabilizing features including dihedral and empennage. You also induced a counterproductive moment with your propeller position. Nevertheless, you made it fly...bravo!
Que legal novas intenções surgindo.
Parabéns ao Canal 👏👏👏👍
That one was incredible, i love it so much
Wow you actually managed to make an rc plane like this :D
Great work as always, as someone who is interested in aerospace engineering I found this really fascinating
Hey Man, felt a real pleasure seeing u succeed, keep this going on.
About thirty years ago I saw the wind blow a thrown away polystyrene milk shake container off the ground and my observation was that it was actually flying rather than being blown. I made a mental note that I must look more into the phenomenon later on . You have answered all my questions of 30 years ago.
Of all the aerodynamic principles out there, the Magnus effect spins me out the most.
😉
I felt your elation and was very happy for you. Nice work!
Man that's awesome! I would recommend making the tubes slightly dihedral to make it more horizontally stable and a fixed vertical stabilizer so it'll move in a much more straight direction.
Cheerios!
Good for you kiddo!! Youre on to something. Thats how greatness is born bro!!
The funny flying T got the thumbs up from me.
But it is maybe worth referencing previous Magnus Effect flying craft.
One of the most unusual craft I've seen in a very long time.
Good job.
Seems like a bit of the 'pendulum fallacy' may still be in play. Perhaps a few degrees of 'dihedral' in the axles would help stability in the roll axis.
good at removing fluff and flying! this looks insane and bloody cool. good job sir
Hey man that is pretty freaking cool, I give you a 10/10 for finding a common scientific physics phenomenon that is relatable to almost everyone in all corners of the globe, and exploiting said phenomenon for aviation purposes never before seen!
Btw, it was used in aviation, and it was not successful, because of the drag, he also had to face it in the video and rebuild his aircraft
Well done, what a great feeling when a project finally works.
Great engineering mindset! Just keep going ;)
This is an absolutely amazing project. I find that effect still totally fascinating!
I am so glad you didn't give up because that was crazy- wild. That was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. And now that you've proven that it can be done. Somebody has to take it to the next level. Great job kid-o, and Thanks for hanging in there.
0:40 you're telling me you're Kevin de Bruyne's long lost RC loving brother?
Its supper cool that you made the correct analysis of the flaws and good corrections that worked! proper application of the scientific method!
Well Done 😎👍👍
The timestamps are amazing. A real man of the ppl here
AWESOME
Keep developing this concept. It has a lot of potential and is a nice aesthetic change from the standard airplanes.
it might be more stable if u use 2 pairs of "wings" (1 in the front, 1 in the back)
ya actually that would help
I felt your happiness! You are truly living, bro. Thank you for inspiring us!!!!
Amazing
Thank you so much for showing your whole process. This is a great show of design mind set that failure is not a bad things. I see to many young people give up when they fail thinking they have lost. Failing and failing fast is key to learning new skills you will in time have a massive win. So to those in school or those learning a new skill, if your not failing your not learning anything new. Keep up your great work.
ah yes flying T post
lol
I admire your persistence. What a result!
Does the speed of the rotors change the lift characteristics? If so, you could have a small "tail rotor" that you vary the speed of as an elevator.
yes indeed it does, faster cylinder rotation makes more lift
you don't need a circular core for the Magnus effect, think about a steamboat paddle. You can make a thin slat, like Venetian blind slat, work as a Magnus airfoil that displaces air reasonably well. You might make an aero-spike-like variant by cutting your cylinders into four sections along their axis, then reversing each section so it is concave when viewed from the outside, and gluing or taping them together.
I wonder if there is a more efficent fuselage /body design. I've seen petersripol swap the wings for the magnus rotors on a normal plane design, and i've also seen a video of a drone with four magnus effect rotors on a drone instead of propelers. I wonder if there's a middle ground, wich has both controlability and stability.
My most recent design is stable and has landing gear for takeoff and landing.
The shere, authentic joy at the end and 'keep watching it!!' 😂 just made my day
Amazing i am from indonesia
Welcome aboard!
For a side project this was bloody amazing!
Я тоже как ребенок радовался за автора, когда ему удалось сделать это !
👍
Great video. Nice use of the word "snapage". Or, possibly, invention. Keep the videos coming.
Noob here so pardon me if my question is dumb. Any thoughts on spinning the two drums separately and varying their relative speeds to help manage yaw/pitch? Like I mentioned my understanding of all this is limited so I'm not sure which axis this would impact more.
Roll/bank/turn, or yaw - I think.
Pitch would be spinning both faster/slower to vary the reaction against the fuselage.
James. You are already an incredible inventor.
I like this! Nice catch on the thrust point being too low. Have you tried having the prop be a 'pusher' orientation? I'm curious if that would give smoother air over the rollers to help their effectiveness, or if the thrust from the prop actually makes them work better due to the air it throws over them.
dude......so happy I found this channel.....shout out from South Africa my friend
good day to random person scrolling down coments :)
Hello from 2 years in the future.
Ily
You too!
Hey! Thank you! 🎉 I hope you are keeping well. ❤
Props to you for giving plans for free instead of selling them, good mentality. I didn't skip the ad and might go over patreon if I get more money next year. BTW not intending on building one myself, you're way to crazy man, keep it up 🤙🏼
wow
So glad you persevered and had success.
looks fairly strange that
Never heard of the magnus effect but since you killed it, well done and thank you!
I doubt you will see this comment, but why not use four rotors for stability? If that works better you could even use two motors (L and R) for roll control
Awesome, glad to see it fly at the end !
22 seconds ago
This video deserves more views. Sweet accomplishment dude!
With this smal Diameter you need high Rpm. Usw KFC bucket this works great
I started watching with some skepticism but found myself fascinated. Very well done and I subscribed.
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Very direct and honest and didn’t clown it up too much.
Fortnite gliders be like:
Great to see that thing finally flying - looks great. You're excitement says it all!
First comment
Your tenacity is inspiring! :)
first
You're a mad genius. Never stop.
I’m just happy for, watching your excitement over your successful flight! Haha. Good stuff.
Hey, few experiments you dear :
1. Try to put fan on the top of it like choper have to give initial hight and thrust, after reaching good hight you can turn it off.
2. Try to increase the length of stem of fan that you had attack and try to put that stem of fan in very middle of both the rollers.
3. Try to make rollers like this sign *
Means make small edges or sharpe humps on the surface of circular roller which will look like this *
I'm subscribed to your channel with bell button on and waiting for more experiment in this invention.
Good luck from land of 1.3 billions people - Bharat
I'm very impressed. The world needs more people like you. Great work!
4:35 No not really a new pulley but addition of edge to prevent it from sliding off. If you used ABS platic, you can chemically weld the ABS plastic washer in place using acetone and since there is hole there you can make small ring to center it properly. This way you save filament. I have used this technique even on failed prints, by counting, or looking on the software what layer it was doing, calculating the height using layer height, removing bottom peace how ever high it was in cad, printing the rest, removing how many layers were failure, sanding both surfaces even and chemically welding them together. Then sanding and filling any imperfections with putty made of abs support material and acetone in glass jar with suitable sealing metal lid. If putty dries into container, just get it loose from glass if possible and pour in more acetone and in a day you have more putty or slurry depending how much you have added acetone.
I love you put the ad a part of the video to easier skipping :)
Brilliant job, man. That was a wild ride.
Wow well done! Glad your persistence was rewarded... that's got to feel good.
You need to look into harmonic balancing of your "Wings". Pretty much the same thing that is done to your tires when you get them balanced. It will stop oscillations because of two spinning axis's that are off balanced. Could explain the bank/yaw that you are also getting. With a good balancing, you should not only be able to get a more controllable/sustainable flight but, you could even get it to hover without it lawn-darting into the ground.
Very good. You had success that was elusive for the others that had tried the concept.
Three things to make a Magnus wing work better: Shorter span. Larger diameter. Higher RPM. And a fourth: Surface texture affects performance. Too smooth reduces lift efficiency, too coarse a texture greatly increases drag. I suggest testing by wrapping the cylinder in sheets of sandpaper at differing grit levels from super coarse to the finest available.
That was awesome. The joy when it finally worked!!! Absolutely heartlifting. Well bloody done you legend.
Glad you enjoyed it!
За оптимизм и жизнерадостность автора - большой Плюс!)))
A fantastic experience of a genius at work, I'm so proud and patient to see your future unfold for the better. I'll be watching! Thanks
How about a magnus effect monocopter? Don’t think I’ve seen that done, and your project history is pointing you right in that direction
Actually, rocket powered too :)
Great job showing off your engineering design process!
thank you very much for doing this. feels great to see it fly on that last attempt
So for a science fair project I had set up and illustration in research panel on all the different ways to generate lift. I actually found that the Magnus effect is much stronger if you use something like a paint roller. Pretty much the principal uses drag to create lift and if you want more low speed lift you need more drag. Also a rear horizontal stabilizer seems to be the way to go with dealing with pitch problems.
Congrats! That's really quite a contraption. Nice work getting it to fly.
Thanks!
6:55 "the Magnus effect is such an unknown concept" No, it is a very well known concept, it has been for a very long time. Don't worry though, according to the ideal lift theory, you can get an estimate of the lift produced as L=air_density*airspeed*2pi*r^2*w where r is the radius of your cylinders, and w is the angular speed of the cylinders in rad/s. In this way you can calculate your necessary rotor speed. Keep in mind though that this equation only works until r^2*w = 2. Hope it helped, also wouldn't mind some basic engineering behind your projects besides guesswork :)
Nice, nice - well done!
Thats engineering at its core.
Keep it up!
Extraordinary ❤🤟
I haven't seen such machine before.
Very interesting, makes me ask questions!
1 I wonder about the effects of using a slightly oval rotating tube? What of an egg shaped tube, wonder if that would fly?
2. The lack of directional control was likely more to do with the length of the craft, centre of pressure, battery location, and the location of the directional drag component (the rudder)! What about extending the build?
3. What about adding 2 small motorised gyroscopes (one clockwise, the other counter clockwise) in a trailing tail assembly instead of a rudder which could steer by adjusting the speed of each of the two of gyros?
Brilliant looking craft. Amazing to see it fly.
This was amazing 😍. Something different and not like typical drones, rc planes.
Need counter rotating trust motors/motor. Very impressive flight and the idea is exceptional. Very good job!
i was so happy you got it going in the end what a novel aircraft.