Take-Two Scams & Destroys Indie Studio Before Poaching Its Developers
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I agree
Hypothetical indie developer: *makes a corporate greed simulator*
Take Two: *sues for copyright infringement*
No, thst would sue for using their likeness.
Take Two: Hey EA
EA: Yeah
Take Two: Someone is making a corporate greed simulator
EA: LETS GET EM
@@martymcfly1312 Bethesda: Ha, first come first serve
@@BigBangAttack-mt6pz Activision and Blizzard: "You said?"
You actually gave me a good idea for a new game project... 🤣🤣🤣
I will still never forgive EA who got their dirty hands on Visceral Studios, ruining Dead Space, blaming it on false information that no one wanted Dead Space anymore, and then canned the studio.
Also Criterion, I heard EA made them sign a contract to stop making burnout games or something like that.
@Caio Coelho Over 75% of criterion employees quit or were fired you absolute mongoloid but hey keep protecting EA as it cans more from the likes of DICE and eventually Respawn.
@Caio Coelho i have it on confirmation EA thought no one wanted dead space.
Indie studios beware.
@Caio Coelho Okay smoothbrain, EA made them change the formula due to Dead Space 2's implementation of action sequences which was recieved very well, thus making Dead Space 3 centralized on action which lead to it being recieved poorly. Let's not even mention how forced microtransactions were. And when people weren't happy with the drastic departure from survival horror, EA went into defensive mode and blamed it all on no one wanting Dead Space anymore rather than admit they forced it down the wrong path. If you want to even act semi-intelligent, please play the part.
Take Two acting like pirates, be a shame if players did the same.
Hoist the colors, yo-ho!
Drink up, me hearties, yo ho!
RDR2 still not cracked yet
GTA V? It did, but difference between older cracked versions are unnoticeable until you modded the game. No more sp dlc
Edit: rdr2 has been cracked for long time ago
Yo-ho~
Yo-ho~
Arrrr... To the seven seas we shall go!
So Star Theory was working on a game on contract with Take-Two, Take-Two decide to cancel that contract, start a new branch of business and hire the same people to work on the exact same game.. Basically destroying the company you are working with and end up continuing the same project with the same people, just without a contract to another company. HOW IS THAT LEGAL?!?
Makes you see the law in a different light, doesn't it?
Contracts with liberal amounts of escape clauses. But even with such a contract you can sue them for unfair business practices. To do that you need to wait for the project to get released and for Take-Two to make a profit. Then the profits become damages. Without the damages, a lawsuit could only force Take-Two to abandon all of the work that Star Theory Games put into it and start fresh at worst. If they can prove this is something that Take-Two does as a business tactic there could be punitive damages too.
Chris Sizemore Yes but since they cancelled the game before it was finished on the Indie Dev side, the profits and IP would be owned by Take-Two, would it not?
@@Chris_Sizemore I hope this is something they can achieve, but I doubt they would have the funds to do so
CAAApatilism
Remember when they nuked a dude's youtube, discord and twitter for posting leaks.
Remember when that they often push games out, especially sports ones, that are buggy and unfinished.
Nothing new.
When is he ever coming back dude can just make a new channel or does he not care anymore
SupMatto deserved better
Shouldn't have posted leaks
I’ll never forget their scummy practices. There are many other AAA companies that I haven’t bought games from In YEARS and never will again.
@@jamiewilliamson9829 you do realised everyone has been leaking news about borderlands 3 left and right before the game was release, that ign and several other sources has covered the leaks as well as youtubers inevitable will cover as well.
plus it was *public information* at that point when it *leaked*
That's why they're called take two. They'll take your company and your employees
Underrated comment!
"Give One - Take Two" should be their slogan!
... and your employees too
Your IPs and your employees, the company is just a hollow husk at that point.
Take Two: "Always take a second thought when considering going into business with us!"
Imagine if you will:
You're on a boat during the Golden Age of Piracy delivering a cargo you're being paid to deliver. Then on the horizon a pirate ship emerges and is approaching. Your ship is smaller so they eventually catch up to your ship and board it. It's only then that you realize these pirates are the ones paying you to deliver the cargo. For whatever unfathomable reason, they tell everyone on your boat to either join their crew or jump because they're going to steal the cargo and sink the ship. That's Take-Two.
The reason they initially fund them for a game is so they can make the studio depended on them and usually that funding comes with exclusivity contracts as to make sure that studio is fully depended on that project so when they pull the game away they know the studio will be left in the air and they can easily get their employees.
Sounded like a cool scene from AC Black Flag lol
I felt compelled to read this in Rod Serling's voice.
I'd rather sink the ship and cargo before giving it up.
Lol good analogy. The smaller guys do most of the work & take most of the risk (most of the dangerous sailing with valuables) then the big guy decides to take it all back over before their puppets port.
"Take-Two.... indie developers down with us."
"... each year maybe."
“Like Always”.
Are we passed that point yet?
Anna Bella “Not yet.”
EA: We killed many developer studios.
T2: Oh yeah, we just killed one, and then wore its skin.
EA did the same thing back with Westwood Studios and their Command & Conquer series. Take Two is practically stealing from EA's playbook at this point.
Bullfrog, Westwood, ORIGIN systems, Maxis.
Command and Conquer Remastered now available for £17.99, in case you missed the Command and Conquer Ultimate Collection(17 games/expansions) for less than quarter the price.
@@lmcgregoruk C&C Ultimate was about a decade ago.
Yes, it was, but C&C was 25 years ago, and C&C remastered is basically that exact same game, just with newer textures/higher resolution units, made for 4K.(along with it's expansion+Red Alert)
Take two goes after and don’t mind harassing family members. People always say EA is the worst, but I’ve never heard of them going after family. Let that sink in, they operate like the fkn Mafia. Why do we give them a break, because they made GTA and RDR?.
rockstar made gta and rdr, it was probably because of take two why they focus so much on online.
I think it's more they're not as bad in their game - GTA V was good, so people ignored micro transactions. After all, who cares if the game is good?
Battlefront 2, granted, was more just years of hatred flowing through the players and they finally snapped, despite the game being good.
That and I just never saw much coverage on them specifically - GTA does something bad, it was seen as Rockstar's fuckup - I literally didn't know Take Two was the publisher until the day they decided to remove mods because they thought it was hurting their profits.
I'm not defending - I've wondered at times, just a possible explanation.
GTA and RDR are made by Rockstar, not Take Two...
Umm, GTA and RDR are Rockstar Games.
Think you mean to say Borderlands.
@@arnowisp6244 take two owns Rockstar if you didn't know
Note to self:
NEVER trust anyone coming at your doorstep with a generous offer to buy your shares when you start up a company.
CDPR seems to think the same way. Be like them.
Neither trust them later. Ever. Never let anybody else get controlling shares of your company if you actually want to keep any creative roles. The bigger the buyer, the worse state they will leave your broken body and mind on the roadside.
"If someone comes and offers you the world on a plate, steal the plate instead." - Vex from Skyrim.
It's a shame how true that is, people will offer you everything you ever wanted and more. And once they sucker you in they stab you in the back.
But investors took a risk in this company - bootlickers
Don't become a publicly traded company, period. It's a terrible system. There are better ways to get serious, scrupulous investors.
To quote Obi Wan:
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy"
EA wants to know your location.
Then again, every big name games publisher nowadays seems to be following EA's lead (with a few exceptions).
Eh, they're number 3 after Tencent and EA
Indie Devs: "We must be cautious."
I'm not sure about that. Yes, game devs are very scummy, but so are certain politicians, the pharma industry, the nra and mlms. That's some tough competition.
Still a good quote ;)
Do none of you remember fallout 76
Take two : "damn, it's really sad that you're going out of business"
Star theory : "what? We're doing fine?"
Take two : "but hey, since we're generous we'll buy you and your game"
If I may respectfully add:
Take two : "but hey, since we're generous we'll buy you and your game - that we've been paying you to develop... oh yeah by the way, that game's canceled, unless you sign this new shiny contract that is"
Star Theory: "T^T why?"
This is so absurd it's more infuriating the more you read it... I can't believe companies can get away with bullshit like this.
After Red Dead Online's fiasco I was pissed at 2K, with this they've just ensured they're one more company I'm boycotting from now on.
So let's see there's EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Bethesda, Gearbox and now 2K. Sega and Capcom are close to joining it as well. This list has been getting bigger by the month...
@@SimpleArt93 you forgot konami
@@SimpleArt93 Cyberpunk 2077 is at least still safe.
@@RavensRift jinx
I know capcom is scummy but how SEGA?
They named themselves 'Take-Two' because they take an arm and a leg.
If you’re lucky...
@@whatevr99 or they'll take your liver and kidneys as well
Two arms and Two Legs
Two of each
Take Two²
Just like Rimworld
More like drawn and quartered.
Wait, Star Theory members kept developing Kerbal Space *after* being bought by Takes-Two despite this company saying no to the game one second before?
Take-Two has no shame, holy sh*t they have no f*cking shame.
And those developers neither.
Andrew Bergamann while I understand how we could berate them for their lack of integrity, we don’t know these developers circumstances and whether they could risk being out of a job if the company went down
Andrew Bergamann A job is a job, and the game development market is VERY competitive. Don’t shame devs for making money that they need.
@@irecordwithaphone1856 Meh. As a developer who passed on his childhood dream of working on games for this very reason, I think it actually ultimately falls in their lap. These circumstances arise because developers allow themselves to be taken advantage of, as a group. They are the ones with the skills needed. If they weren't being paid such meager wages, they wouldn't have to choose between working for complete assholes or going hungry. If they turned down a shit job every once in a while, they might not get paid meager wages. Ignorant kids fresh-faced from college want nothing else but to work on *VIDEO GAMES* and won't take no for an answer, despite their skills being significantly higher-valued in any other field and very applicable to other fields. Self-respect needs to be instilled into these people if we want this to stop happening. It is similar to the movies and music industry.
@@Double0Smirk If you HAVE to go work in a job where you actively aid in the destruction of your society and the market in which you operate and actively help a corporation abuse you, you should be out on the streets rioting against the government's pathetic treatment of it's people not going along with the system.
EA: "We are the worst gaming company in the world...."
Take Two: "Are you challenging me?!"
Hi, could you support our game? We did a demonstration on Steam.
i still think EA is worse
For what it's worth EA is an official winner of being the worst company twice...But seems like Blizzard and Take Two have been making massive progress in the past few years.
activision is the worst, all they do is copy and paste
Take Two: destroys a game studio and tries to hire its employees
EA: Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!
EA: Work as a Slave
Konami: Work as a Prisoner
Take Two: You’re indebt to the mob
You're probably right, but it's really not anything new. Companies take advantage of and absorb indie teams all the time. Companies treat their workers like "slaves" with a bunch of constraints all the time. Why do you think everyone seems to hate their own jobs?
No sadness. No remorse. It's just business.
Lmao
But this is pretty consistent with everything in the tech world. TH-cam sold out to Google. WhatsApp, which people used to get off Facebook, sold out to Facebook. Twitch sold out to Amazon. And how many of these great little game studios sold out to big game companies and were ruined? I'm done getting upset or having sympathy. These great small companies give in to greed, wanting things to be bigger and better, but they're selling out, plain and simple. They make something great and they hand it over to corporate fiends. In this case these people literally sold themselves to work for an abusive giant that just destroyed their company. Every one of those devs that jumped ship can rot in hell.
Blizzard: Work like a Chinese sweatshop
Activision: Work in a concentration camp.
I bet the "other benefits" won't include reasonable hours and crunch-free envirement for the workforce.
When it's a take two game, piracy is the moral option.
Unfortunately, if they take the rights and make it themselves, I doubt it will even play like KSP.
Nah, piracy will actually help them with some coverage. The only way is to ignore them altogether.
Better yet. Buy them from G2A.
nooo you can’t pirate games that’s stealing!!!!!
@@mewhenthemewhenstheme haha pir**e b*y goes brrrrrr
EA: We always seek the “betterment” for the gaming industry and community.
Take Two: Hold my illegal and fake keys.
Can we just pirate the shit out of every 2k games.
CasinoR Rockstar, 2K, every other developer under their belt. Pirate all of em
@FantomOmega they did
When you use the word “betterment” I can hear Doom 2016 elevator scene pop in my head.
@FantomOmega
If it’s wasn’t purposeful, then EA are extremely stupid...you can choose which one.
This should be a case history for young startups and inventors in college.
Well, considering most colleges have deep corporate ties I don't see this happening.
This happened in game industry since the beginning. For example some of the first Nintendo arcade games were made by a different company, then Nintendo stole the tech from them and stopped paying.
The earliest publishers searched for young bedroom devs and took most of the profits from the games they made. Some were contracted to work on really unfavorable terms. Some of these devs wrote memoirs describing how they were screwed.
@@noop9k that truely sucks. Is there article or doco you know of that bring all the aspects & sources together?
@@dtaPacman:
Can't remember where I originally read it, but the company was called Ikegami, and there's gamasutra article "The Secret History of Donkey Kong".
Saw it in other book/article, but can't find now.
Probably in "The History of Nintendo 1889-1980", great book BTW.
In fact, while Miyamoto provided design for the game, it was coded by talented external team and there was a lawsuit.
Old dev diaries, such as ones by Jordan Mechner, Jeff Minter, Bob Pape show how bedroom devs were treated back then.
Yup, if you want to make games try starting with AN ORIGINAL IP SO CORPORATIONS DON'T HAVE LEVERAGE.
Well Take-Two interactive are already ruining R* games, NBA2K and anything else with the 2K logo on it....
It’s kinda sad how they always get away with it too with the little news coverage they allow themselves to be exposed to (and arrogant fanboys who go after the Devs without considering the publisher)
@@makmakg242 Yeah right.
If NBA 2K20 was any indication, the next WWE will be a gambling game with a little bit of wrestling in it.
@-- Yeah after they publish GTA 5 i was like "yep another EA and bugthesda" and there they are out of knowhere publish RDR 2 seems like they learn this 'gimmick' from bugthesda
@@LoCoAde87 Ubisoft has been doing alot better recently, hopefull they dont screw up their good run. *Sweats profusely*
@@MonoDree no they haven't. Don't need to lie. The fact that Ubisoft keeps making online service games is pretty much that they haven't learned. Crew 2, anthem, division 2, etc. All not good games at all
Not even excited for GTA 6. I feel like the game will be a GTA 5 with a lot of microtransactions and other ends.
This is actually a tactic many big studios use. EA tried to do the same to the guy making project cars i think but he survived by selling everything he had to keep employees or get replacement and keep going.
They go to small studios give them an advance payment for a supposed project with contract terms on working with them exclusively fort a certain time frame, then the studio puts all resources on that game and then they cancel it leaving the studio in financial mess and while the studio is in a bad position and employees feel insecure they try to poach them.
Basically big studios are in the business of trying to ruin small studios because they want to make sure not much competition exists out there.
Goes to show how cold and bitter a lot of people can be in this world
@@shnubdawg7730 money comes first, livelihood at last. That's the mantra for these companies
Holy shit, this sounds like a scam. The worse thing is there is no legal protections to stop these
was this need for speed shift and shift 2 unleashed? And so what’s supposed to be shift 3 is now the o.g project cars?
You kind of just said what the video did
"Hey. Hey, indie game dev studio owners... We want to buy your company"
"Ok but..."
"No buts. You know what, never mind"
"Hey, indie game dev employees... We shut down your company but we're willing to hire you to work on the same game but for us instead"
I like how you just pretend that Star Theory's owners weren't actively trying to sell their company to Take Two because reality stomps all over your fantasy outrage party. Sorry, try again.
@@WildArtichokes but they didn't
@@WildArtichokes except they weren't. Sorry try again
@@WildArtichokes Good thing they weren't.
@@WildArtichokes Ah yes that makes perfect sense. Now their borderline illegal activity that took full advantage of a single contract renegotiation is completely excusable!
The company that sent literal goons to a TH-camr's house because he talked about Borderlands leaks might be scummy?
Whodathunkit?
I never heard of that. Which TH-camr was it?
@@estlee1583 SupMatto
SupMatto deserved better
Its messed up that they sent goons but he also shouldn't have been leaking info on an upcoming release
Jamie Williamson still doesn’t justify it.
Simply put, large companies will keep doing this as long as they don't lose money from it.
Unless as a people we demand protections from human greed and selfishness. If we just allow greed to continue to run our world it will always be the powerful screwing the people
@@Deftonesdsm people demanding stuff doesnt achieve anything. It has to be a punch to their wallet or it doesnt matter. Any press is good press as long as theres money coming in
@@HarshWinter101 too bad a punch in the face wouldn't be seen as self-defense in such situations.
@@tacticalpossum7090 ah yes you totally destroyed him with your argument
@@imcool2931 And you totally destroyed him too man. You're so fucking cool, pointing that out.
Can someone PLEASE tell me why like 90% of trusted game journalism is written by Jason Schreier?
Because his stuff is pretty much the only stuff that is even remotely trustworthy.
He actually talks to his sources for a start and has a genuine knowledge of the industry
He's a strange one.
Mr.grinch
Did everyone forget how take two attacked and removed a youtuber from TH-cam because he posted about leaks, because they couldn't control their own leaks, send private investigatiors to his house as well?
Take two is just a piece of shit company, we know this, just add it to the list.
(Supmatto was the youtuber btw)
Yeah, I watched Supmatto for 2 Years, well until...
Yet, you & the rest of the virtue signalling keyboard warriors continue to buy their games.
Even if you believe SupMatto was at fault in that controversy... keep in mind Take Two went out to his house and try to threaten him with legal action with outsiders who weren't even associated with the Take Two's legal department.
I remember. It's the main reason I will not buy Borderlands 3 and caused me to uninstall all my Borderlands games.
Yong be like : I'll highlight the important bits to read
> highlights everything
students the night before finals be like
EA: "We won worst company multiple years running!"
Take-Two: "Hold My Beer!..."
At this point theyre just playing hot potato with the beer
More like "Hold my beer, and pay $1.29 to do so"
@@blondepotatoboi "Rent my bear!"
@@Oriaks Google be like "stream my beer"
This is actually a tactic many big studios use. EA tried to do the same to the guy making project cars i think but he survived by selling everything he had to keep employees or get replacement and keep going.
They go to small studios give them an advance payment for a supposed project with contract terms on working with them exclusively fort a certain time frame, then the studio puts all resources on that game and then they cancel it leaving the studio in financial mess and while the studio is in a bad position and employees feel insecure they try to poach them.
Basically big studios are in the business of trying to ruin small studios because they want to make sure not much competition exists out there.
Even the name "Intercept Games" is like a kick in the ass saying. "we took all your shit!"
Boycott Take-Two! I still remember the intimidation they did to a TH-camr.
@@luckyfrost722 Forgot the name of the guy and the specific details, but in summary: he used to always deliver videos related to borderlands 2 and news about borderlands 3 before it has released, the situation was: he talked about some news about borderlands 3 that had leaked and take-two sent some mobs after him, they even entered his house and intimidate (interrogate) him about the leak, also take-two copy-striked his channel several times. Keep in mind that the information leaked was of fair use to talk about and for some reason take-two went with full force after him.
I'd love to boycott Take-Two, but it would also unfortunately mean boycotting Rockstar (since they're owned by Take-Two), and uh...I don't think I want to miss the next GTA. Or Red Dead. Or Bully. Or L.A. Noire. Or Manhunt. Or whatever it is they're making.
@@Entirehappy I'm sure you mean "Supmatto" the guy who leaked a bunch of stuff for borderlands 3, I hope nothing bad happened to him as he was my favorite youtuber.
Cult Of RockstarGames:"B...but...Horse testicles and mah immersion"
@@Grendel2403 Nope, just another 5 or 7 years of GTA V.
Fuck TTwo, they ruined Rockstar Games.
Take-Two to the developers they just signed on: "We'll take good care of you; You can trust us"
Sounds like a predator talking to a mark. Oof
"You can trust us..." **evil laugh**
Uh they made the studios themselves i think
EA: We're taking all the tech.
Bell: You get nothing. You lose. Good day sir.
EA shouldnt've touched the Fizzy lifting drink prototypes to begin with.
I was so excited for KSP 2 ready to buy it on day 1. Now I'll just pirate it and any other Take-Two games from now own
I bet it's going to have some damn pain in the ass drm
Cmdr Unkownkiller this is ‘take two’.
Expect 3-5 drm in one game
This is a scummy move however for take two but don't forget that the team in the new company will be exactly the same. I'm still going to buy it either way
There is no way I will support any game under Take-Two, a steal everything trash company.
I agree was looking forward to this game but I will make do with KSP1 and pirate KSP2 when I can. I am not giving T2 a single penny until they find a way to to make up for this.
They didn’t go out of business.
It was a “surprise closing”
i would call it a "surprise knifing"
Gotta love those “surprise mass furlough” mechanics, eh?
A surprise prize for playing their stupid games
And now I know for sure that KSP 2 is going to be riddled with bullshit microtransactions and lootboxes. This also expalins the games delay
"Want to stage? Buy our 'Staging 300 pack (BEST Value!)' for only $600!"
i will probably buy the first one then
"Get this rocket skin pack for just $5 even though there's a free mod that adds way better options!"
A subscription for sandbox mode
Yup :/
People will post meme comments to these videos and loudly state "Take Two is as bad as EA" but still, nothing will happen. The same people will buy the next GTA or Red Dead or whatever. Laughable.
Lol, watch me bro. (but i get your point, many people forget too fast)
Speak for yourself, I'm a proud pirate.
Haven't bought RDR2 and not interested in doing so.
Take two published them?
Ehhh, I'm more of a Cyberpunk 2077 and Projekt Red
the fact that they have great games with scummy online economics in Rockstar certainly doesn't help
I love how Slightly Mad played EA. Props to them for going into that situation prepared
Yeah, seems like their company name was an understatement. They were utter mad lads to pull that kind of stunt.
Their new company motto should be
“take one step forward, *take two* steps back”
One of the songs in GTA: San Andreas actually had that part in it. Ironic, isn't it?
@@thearousedeunuch That's not ironic, it's fitting.
Hi, could you support our game? The name is Shadows of Kepler, we need a publisher.
Hi Yong, I want to show you an indie game. Do you like to invest? Thanks.
no, it's just *take two* step back. There isin't any going "forward"
They basically bought the company without buying it or leaving a choice
Damn that's cold
dev "that wasn't part of the deal"
2K" I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it further'
Insert vader sounds here
Also heres this list of microtransactions i want in the game
dev: that wasn't what we agreed on
2K: I have altered the deal pray i do not alter it any further
7:14 "These corporate hats don't give a shit about the small cogs."
Damn, this statement hit me on a personal level.
Oh my god, that MiddleWare Tech stunt was such a delightful and colossal middle finger to EA.
A bittersweet one since they were screwed up anyways.
RIP KSP 2. The only game I was excited for this year.
Its been pushed back to 2021 and now we know why.
Just torrent the game and make donations to star theory instead.
Explains why it got delayed. They're probably working on what parts of the game they should cut out and sell back as DLC.
K3 K4 whats that you want to actually BUILD? Your rocket no you have to pay to do that or pay to use prefab rockets that you can only edit so much and only get one kerbal to pilot the ship no matter the size unless you buy the extra kerbal pilots dlc for $10.99
Final Fantasy VII Remake, Bannerlord, and this were the games I was anticipating. FFVII is a PS exclusive so I can’t play it, Bannerlord is good, and now KSP2 is an interstellar dumpster-fire.
At least I got one game in 2020 🥺
"Publishers has nothing to do with games as they only do the publishing !"
Yeah keep telling that to yourself.
Greed consumes all who travel too far into it's domain. Indie games really have been the best games for me this past year.
I see that line so often and its beyond naive.
Reminds me of that whole Epic game store fiasco where i said that this was simply a revert back to the 90s publisher vs developer model.
I was outrageous, ridiculous, a moron, an ignorant fuck, i didnt have a clue about anything, bla bla bla fucking bla.
Low and behold, only a few months later an indie dev got told to fuck off if he didnt want to sign exclusivity deals.
Entirely predictable when you actually lived through the time developers needed publishers due to the reality of the day.
And when you actually seen these things happen over and over again over the years.
What tim sweeney has been doing is pure cynical pandering to the societal waves of today.
Namely companies engaging in political pandering, moralizing, browbeating, etc...
Because apparently, the most educated generation ever, thinks companies are moral actors that care more about morals then their bottom line.
I could be wrong about sweeney, but when i see him telling a one-man indy dev to fuck off because he didnt want to sign an exclusive deal, i got no faith in him whatsoever.
Remember: the whole fucking shitshow was supposedly about the "developers".
Except those developers that wanna retain their independence and publish their game as they see fit, instead of a publisher forcing them to sign an exclusive deal or fuck off.
Ive seen some indy devs have foresight as well, they too see (or starting to see) what this shit actually means for them.
And they noticed that this is very bad thing for any independent developer with a desire to retain their independence.
When neutral storefronts, platforms, etc.. lose ground to places the likes of Epic games & co.
Its the independent developers that will suffer.
I can say so much more about this but fuck it.
Today people are too goddamn blind and retarded to grasp that companies, especially publically traded ones, are not moral actors & only care about their bottom line.
But apparently they genuinly think that sweeney is sinking millions into exclusive deals out of the good of his heart, its fucking unreal.
And they cant see 5 mins ahead of time if their lives depended on it.
"Publishers has nothing to do with games as they only do the publishing !"
Oh yeah, totally the case.
Publishers are great, right up until they put you on the chopping block and pick the corpse apart.
@@annabella1650 Everybody tells you that you need a bigger company/publisher when you're close to releasing a game these days. Tbh the legal side of releasing a decently sized game can be extremely overwhelming for one person but I'm sure there are consulting agencies for that type of stuff
@@AntoninusPius100 At this point indie devs have been proving at constant rate that publishing companies like these are not needed if you make a good product. Sure, you won't make as much, but in most cases if you send review copies and other such stuff you will get your game known more and if you didn't overstretch, you can steadily build yourself up.
Laws need to be re-thought out and re-established so criminals like Take-Two can't keep ruining lives for profit and face the prison time they deserve. Particularly Strauss.
Everybody: "Turns out Take-Two was evil all along!"
Me: "Oh really?! Tell me more!"
that people were shocked about CDPR and Nintendo joining the pandering is dumb yet expected
no company is unique
@@TrianglePants What pandering?
@@TrianglePants wtf you on boy lol
@@rubysilvereye3611 i guess he's talking something about BLM.
@@TrianglePants What kind of drugs do u use to say CDPR pandering capitalism?
whoever reads this: NEVER give a single penny to EA, never ever ever ever
Not even titanfall?
Not even Fallen Order? Respawn's work is good
EA (at least to me) seems to be taking steps in the right direction, at least.
@@sethadkins546 baby steps but still steps
The normie market is too huge to be able to message them all with this revelation.
So... take two basically went:
"Okay, now that you've been living in the hut we provided you and your parents with in exange for your work... We killed your parents! BUT... We want to adopt you! YAY! (by the way, our house is better and we have better food *wink*!)
It really is like that. Perfect analogy
William fick I’d just burn the hut at that point.
Man in the Mask it’s a bad business strategy. No ones going to buy the game now. It’s worthless capital. Massively stupid business decision, no indie company is ever going to work with them again. They’ve lost all credibility.
@@Joshua-ox5fr Also those who did stab Star Theory in the back to join Take Two are going to be tainted goods. The other employees that didn't jump ship are going to spread the word and the backstabbers are going to find out that the tech world is a lot smaller than they think.
@@maninthemask6275 Good business strategies don't shaft other people. They'll end up losing out in the long run. Always.
"See how it works now? only the Corporation gets what it wants."
- Meredith Stout, Cyberpunk 2077
War has changed - snake
@@marty13612 "War never changes"
-Dogmeat, Fallout.
le epic communism xD
I need muneh- Woody from toy story.
I see that you have my favorite profile picture
oh take two wants to play Pirates.. Ahoy matey where's my hat..
Yarr fuckin' harrr it is, matey.
Yarr Harr fiddle de Dee I do what I want cause a pirate be free
I would love to hear someone like Scott Manley, or anyone who has been involved in the KSP community, tell his or her take on the situation. I imagine there will be a backlash, even more so if KSP2 turns out to be a “Triple A” cash-grab full of microtransactions, paywalled mods, and other scummy tactics.
I don't see why anything would change considering Take-Two was always in charge of KSP2
I still recall when they made mods illegal with their shitty eula for ksp
@@skoldmo762 I still remember how people were adamant that they did, when in fact it had no effect on modding whatsoever. Then the actual lawyers stepped in and said it's standard legalese and it does not ban modding.
@@HellDuke- im not a lawyer... But maybe. Maybe not. Ksp did have a review bombing about it. But maybe im wrong then.
Tasslar it was a nothing burger
Just imagine this actually happened to you, to work for months if not years with your coworkers and friends just for a huge corporation to screw you over in such an unprofessional way, this is beyond sick.
Keep doing good work YongYea
If I was the guy in charge of working on it, I would've Packed everything up, And taken it all straight to Microsoft.
Unprofessional? Shit like this is business as usual with capitalism as we know it.
@@filthyshoggoth more professinal then the communists way of doing things like shop keepers ingoring employees factory owners beating the shite out of employees etc etc all because why would you care about being professinal if you got your job forever and cant be fired
@@gagejohnathan9641 "And taken it all straight to Microsoft"
Considering Microsoft literally tried to do the same thing to Platinum Games with Scalebound (who only managed to escape thanks to NieR Automata's success), I don't think that's a wise alternative.
I've just found work in a gaming company, everybody is very friendly and there was a shared outrage over this event
I have always called Take-Two Interactive the scumlords supreme of the industry. They are responsible for all the crap that happens with 2K sports games and Rockstar's online monetizations/lack of singleplayer expansions which they commonly did before GTA V as well (Take-Two owns both companies.)
Worse than EA? I have to disagree.
Yeah, and yet, ppl just praise games like GTA and RDR2
This is actually a tactic many big studios use. EA tried to do the same to the guy making project cars i think but he survived by selling everything he had to keep employees or get replacement and keep going.
They go to small studio give them an advance payment for a supposed project with contract terms on working with them exclusively fort a certain time frame, then the studio puts all resources on that game and then they cancel it leaving the studio in financial mess and while the studio is in a bad position and employees feel insecure they try to poach them.
Basically big studios are in the business of trying to ruin small studios because they want to make sure not much competition exists out there.
@@saud8329 EA didn't send goons to peoples houses lol
@@rpgswithwe ahh..you make a good point. They are neck and neck I'd say
As a small-time developer, this is why I'm honestly skeptical of anyone saying "hey we'll sign you!"
On the other hand, that's the business. Game-dev isn't the jolly hipster artist scene people think it is. It's a cutthroat business.
Ninja Theory was one of the few video game developer cooperatives before Microsoft signed them, I wonder how the structure of the studio works now that they're under MS's wing.
Would you say Sony would of been a better publisher to go with, compared to Take-Two and EA? Or do you think Sony would be just as bad? I don't think i've ever heard of Sony doing somthing like what Take-Two and EA did to those studios.
"Nah m8 that's all third party owned tech, you can't have it." That had to feel good. Also how can you cancel a contract and then still get everything out of it that you wanted, but not actually do your part of the contract?
Depends on which contract said what. They didn't end up contracting SHIFT3, but they had contracted the studio's exclusivity for $1.5m, which would absolutely have some fine print favoring EA in return for the money. If I had to guess, I'd say they contracted the studio for exclusivity on that specific project permanently or for X number of years, and that they would own any proprietary software tools which were owned by the studio and used to create the game. The dev was very, very business-savvy to move all important assets over to another entity and then license it to himself.
3:32 so they couldn't fund the studio project but they can poach employees by offering more pay, bonuses and access to more bonuses down the road...what a pos company
EA announces new studio called Sellout Games, a company with 70% of its original company poached.
> His most favourite Rocket Engineer game got screwed over
Scott Manley: *SATURN V NOISES*
oh so, take two is actually short for "we'll take two of every three staff members you have and then leave you with nothing" as a Massive GTA fan this news is heartbreaking.
I think take two are holding rockstar at gunpoint forcing them to shit out content into gta online so they can get that precious sharkcard cash money dollar dollar.
This is why I will never team up with a company. My writing is mine alone, even if it's just a hobby I earn nothing from.
I'm writing a book series and I feel the same. And any publishing I do I'm saving for a damn good lawyer so my IP stays mine and if something goes wrong I can break ties on the spot.
Hope you find an audience in the future though.
wha do you guys write exactly ?
I'm intrested in hearing more :)
sorry for bad english ...
@@i.b1004 They write pornos
Psilocybe Cubensis I believe they prefer them to be called adventures in erotica.
@@i.b1004 I stick to fantasy. Mostly high fantasy, but there are a few bits I've planned that are just regular fantasy. I love coming up with action choreography, but the fight doesn't mean anything without the characters, so I try to make sure both the heroes and villains are written well.
This is most distressing. I was really looking forward to KSP2. But these monsters dont deserve a penny. Very sad.
Well its gonna be buggy and unfinished on rushed release.
@@RLHooper eh, sounds like ksp atm
@@abritinspace the original didn't have the funding 2K/Private Division has.. but they kept it up with free DLCs and updates over the years
even now KSP is getting free texture updates
13:30 The dude played EA very well. So satisfying :'D.
Oh no... no wonder why the name Jonathan Mavor rang a bell, He's the guy who made the game engine for Total Annihilation... To see such a great talent getting f*cked by a greedy studio sucks ass...
Take Two's money grabbing conglomerate branch is NOT a studio, lol. They are just that.
How depraved do you have to be to prey on small, weak studios owned by people who struggle to scrape by to make ends meet while working their ass offs making games by themselves all while having to compete with these massive triple A companies? It’s like spitting on a quadriplegic. How can you do such a thing and live with yourself
@@lurker7808 depraved as any AAA publisher really. R*/T2 have been getting away with business practices on the level of Bliz/Acti, EA, Beth since GTA5 online started.
It's all about those multi-million annual salaries for the pigs at the top.
Welcome to business. It’s a dog eat dog world.
This, however, shouldn’t excuse a multi-billion dollar company from doing the equivalent of taking a studio around the back, shooting them, and replacing them with their own choice.
@Ricardo Santos money is power.
Everyone should message Legal Eagle and see what he thinks of all of this.
Viva Frei is way better
There's no way you can convince me that there isn't a literal contest to see who can be the worst AAA video game company ever.
"You did *_WHAT_* to puppies? AWESOME! 20 points!" 🤣
"AAA" is a synonym to "the worst"
Oh dear High Ground I thought I could hate them no more than I already did
Hello there
Kenobi, I have been expecting you!!
Damn them High Ground
I love how every reply to your comments are just a bunch of Star Wars memes.
Also, agreed.
“General Kenobi!”
Well, they certainly won't be getting a penny out of me, despite how much I was looking forward to KSP2.
@BRITO KSP2 didn’t even come out yet...
KSP 2 brings NOTHING,it's a pure cash grab. No N-body mechanics (a mod fucking does it and it makes the game so much better) no real scale solar system, no better fluid mechanics, nothing at all really, no difference with that horrible render engine, no atmospheric effects, no ocean shaders, no content. It's a fucking bad joke! No, smoke simulation for plumes, all these things could be done, amateurs did these things with a broken engine.
And I know I missed important things.
@@jojolafrite90 Mods FTW
@@jojolafrite90 actually you are completely wrong. Everything you have said that isn't being added is and more. N body physics is being added to a twin planet system. No need for it on every planet otherwise it would be too complex for new players. Interstellar travel, base building, colonies futuristic tech and much more. Normal ksp does kinda a terrible job with the mods just a buggy mess IMO and most are WAY over complicated like interstellar extended and MKS. Unity isn't a broken engine lmao. Plus KSP2 will be made in a newer version of unity.
@@iCore7Gaming source?
“Jason Schrier from Bloomberg”
Haven’t gotten used to that yet
Kotakwho?
*wrings hands together*
Well I'm glad he moved. Kotaku and that entire media network is nuts.
Not that Bloomberg is that much better I guess
@@brandonandujar2289 More real than most people would be comfortable admitting while they cry about the privilege of other groups.
They call themselves Take-Two, but realistically they’re gonna take much, much more.
Take Too much.
@@TheNobleFive ayy
@@TheNobleFive two much*
Take Two first borns.
"In this case Take-Two was the scummy publisher".
There are cases where Take-Two wasn't?
In the 20th century maybe
i mean, some were beginning to give them the benefit of the doubt after the announcement of KSP2 and how promising it was looking, but after fucking
THIS!!?!?!?
EA anyone?!?
This legit makes me sad
Man it hurts more since KSP is such a unique game with some great humor. Now it is scarred by the assassination of 2/3 of the dev team.
Yeah they didn't deserve that hand that was dealt to them . i was really excited about ksp 2 as well
They acquired original KSP dev, Squad, didn't they?
They named the new studio Intercept Games?!? Was that on purpose?!? The studio name pays homage to how they intercepted Star Theory’s ability to do business.
"They saw something shine.. and they decided to take it."
Developer 01: Hey Take-Two of them!
Developer 02: Hell yEAh!
Nice hidden message! Took me a second to see it!
What Slightly Mad did by "outsourcing" their tech before EA tried to take it was a stroke of genius.
It quite literally saved the studio.
They're slowly driving Rockstar into the ground as well.
Rdr 2 sold a lot.. And ppl keep buying shark cards.
not all that slowly. GTA5 was overmonotized to hell and Red Dead 2 literally copy pasted a massive amount of that game's outdated code and engine, including its outdated combat system, just to save money.. and then refused to make any single player dlc, focusing solely on Red Dead Online.
yeah if take did not own rock rdr2 online would probably be alot better
Money glitch: *fix*
Other glitch: *no*
ye under the weight of all the money they get, no seriously, they are making so much money they probably dont have to care about making more games until end of this century
7:10 this hits really close to home for me. Just got laid off. I was one of those small cogs possibly one of the lowest people on the totem pole. Not only am I getting laid off, my entire POSITION is being removed from the company
Everyone: why do you work in the game alone?
Me: *Well...*
@Galen May I ask what game is it?
When you're alone, there's noone who can stab you in the back.
I was very excited for KSP2 but now it seems another great project with great devs behind it got killed or severely injured by the publisher. FeelsBadMan
such a shame t2 did that, i don't feel so bad glitching on GTA Online now
Can't they still make the game it's thier Ip
@@GamerBoy870 The company went out of business, T2 owns the IP now.
@@zuttoaragi8349 Star Theory never owned Kerbal Space. Squad sold KSP to take two several years ago and Star Theory was just tasked by Take Two to develop it.
1/2 of the original devs including the project heads are still working on KSP2. It will still get released for sure. Will they take back what they said about no MTX? That I do not know
I changed my courses to engineering for my senior year because of this game and a few other factors, now I’m so sad to see such a fun and hard game to be turned into shit
Big corporation poaches developers with incentives.
Fast forward to next year where they lay off those same developers while boasting record earnings
my thoughts on this has never ever sign a partnership with 2K Activision Bethesda Ea and other AAA companies, these companies cannot be trusted at all. Santa Monica Studios digital extremes CD projekt Red, insomniac, Sucker Punch are the only creators that I feel Indie developers should go to. These companies are trustworthy the only ones that are trustworthy.
For now. Sometimes companies change. Often for the worse.
I'd say nintendo, but I think its too high considering they already have sakurai and aonuma. Yeah Santa monica need more attention
@@eminem6898 Santa Monica need great attention indeed Nintendo for me is a?
Eh, digital extremes itself is shady, specially since they got sold to a chinese corporation
@@PedroIgori I did not know that, but sadly yes because when your company is sold to the Chinese your good behavior starts to dwindle.
"Intercept"... oddly fitting name considering how Take Two intercepted the functioning of an indie studio and the intercepting of the livelihoods of those people involved. I hope the one's responsible for this contract Covid-19. That would be karmic justice in one of its finest moments.
I was going to say the same thing. Someone in Take-two have really fucked up sense of humour
@Evilmike42 That doesn't mean they wouldn't be incredibly miserable during the duration of the infection, idiot.
Tech and gaming used to be nerds changing the world, now it’s just corporations squeezing every penny they can and screwing over everyone they can. It’s ridiculous how much gaming/tech and it’s culture has changed.
Oh hey, saw Jim cover this earlier. Always like the difference in takes on the exact same subject between the two of you. As always, appreciate your content and contribution.
Jim?
JoeySTRIKE Sterling, of the Jim Sterling channel (you may have heard the name Jimquisition). Very different tone, style, and purpose, but occasionally overlapping news pieces especially if it involves greedy games companies being greedy.
Criminally under-subscribed Channel, Jim Sterling's. If there were any justice in the world he would have more subs than Yong.
lemme guess, that fat idiot thought it was ok as long as ksp2 gets made
@@AnvilMAn603 go watch the video guck knuckle
They've always been aggresive for no reasons, all business nothing else. They ran that other Borderlands TH-camr out of the platform i'm not surprised
Is Supmatto ever coming back or does he not care anymore
this is recent thing but they been doing this shit for years , they send private police to harass mod creators and their family as well and they been doing it for years but everyone seams to remember "last bad thing they did" and forget hundreds of past ones"
@@GamerBoy870 he was getting too stressed out, idk because the last couple vids he did i really felt like he was done with TH-cam.
@@VarenvelDarakus oh no don't worry i knew about how they killed mods for GTA 5. I really hate TTI
Then don't leak it?
'intercept games' very appropriate name considering what they did to star theory.
You mean all of Star Theory's over-promising IN A CONTRACT followed by delays and then just outright refusal to complete the contract after T2 tried to salvage the situation via acquisition? If an independent contractor for a home remodeling company did the same thing they'd get blacklisted for that shit.
Looks like they've learned some tricks from EA, but they decided to amp it up a little.
"You know us. Business as usual."
- Cassidy, Pokemon Chronicles Episode 11
Hey, don’t you dare associate Team Rocket with those scumbags at 2K. Giovanni and his goons are at least _honest_ about being an crime organization!
Learned?.. no man they wrote the fucking 18 part Novel about it. which EA has been reading since 2007
This reminds me of how I would confederate factions in strategy games ... by sending allies in an alliance to their death so they would be desperate to confederate
Thats the kind of brutal actions these companies do
Really wanted to buy Kerbal Space Program 2, I freaking loved the first one, but hey, I guess we'll just have to hoist the sails.
The Black Flag soars once more.
YARRRRR!
Yohoho and break out the rum
*Sea Shanties intensify*
Cast off the crutch that kills the pain.
The black flag waving never felt the same.
Hope you got your eye patch.
EA Games: “We take everything.”
After paying $100
EA: We take everything
Milk it for all the pennies we can make
Then we close down the studio
EA? "Challenge Everything" EA? Nah, they wouldn't do that. It's simply deploying a surprise mechanic.
Also in hindsight, "challenge everything" fits too well.
Exactly, so you understand Kojimas “Mules” metaphor via Death Stranding?
Mules are publishers willing to steal the ideas (Cargo) of Game Designers!
Does that make us the game designers delivering the ideas to the world? Okay, I think I answered my question but I like the comparison...
Even though my dumbass is too poor to buy death stranding
Please dont overthink Kojima's pretentious message
I think they’re just raiders my guy.
Jean Greff I have a feeling you find most things pretentious.
Too bad death stranding was a fucking awful game
Now we saw A Lion kills it's prey, EA the Dominant Leader
Oh what's this, There's another Lion, Take two
Now, In the next episode Of animal Planet, We'll going to see EA battling Take two
Lions never invade into others' prides if there's enough prey and water around. And now, there's plenty of both indies and whales all over the industry for the publishers to exploit. They're fine.
Good to know, another title I'll be avoiding in the future.
Indies:
Triple A studio: *"Hippytty Hoppytty you are my property."*
They just killed ksp2.
Ffs man, I was hyped for that.
Long Live CD Projekt Red!!! A shinning beacon in the darkness!!!
It's in times like these, that we need vigilantes that will keep these greedy, corrupt corporate bellends from stepping over the line and pulling stunts like this one.
They don't care about artists, or their work, or their own employees. Only the money flow into their pockets matters, and they'll pull every dirty and scummy trick to make that happen.
Welcome to your introductory course on Globalism, and why it's a heartless evil thing.
What would you suggest doing? Besides voting for pro-consumer laws aka everything republicans stand against.
@@dontreply8346 The greatest dirt is only purged by the brightest fire
@@astraea7118 this isn't capitalism this is corporatism capitalism is what created all the games you love, corporatism is what stagnated the industry get it straight.
@@dontreply8346 yes bring false politics into this because that's exactly what we need to talk about