Your channel is fantastic and your aproach is excellent. Thank you for sharing the incredible amounts of work you are doing with us all. Amazing resource.
I’ve been shooting one piece recurves and longbows for a few years and just bought my first takedown last week. I went with a DAS 21” riser and am loving it.
Love your videos, no one goes into such depth as you do. For the past year I've been working with my bow, ILF riser and DAS limbs, It's working out so far 🏹 ✌
I remember when Hoyt tried to bring back that design on the high end Olympic bows with the Axis and FX limbs back in 2000. It was so easy to switch between ILF as the detent had a quick swap system. One thing I didn't like about it was how often that thumb screw would always come loose.
It would be awesome if you did a video on how to set a Das bow up. Like where the limb bolts are actually bottomed out at. Is it better to measure brace from grip to string or from string to side plate. There’s a lot of confusing stuff in the manual.
Hey there, thanx for answering my feather question so fast'' and thanx for this ILF-DAS video, i new the difference but now i no 10 times more'' lol '' i was really needing or wantin' ta no if shooting the recurve and longbow with a quiver' 4-8 arrows'' on,, makes your arrows fly different or different enough ta effect your accuracy'' i no when i bare shaft tune an arrow to my recurve without a quiver it makes it makes a difference' just wantin ta no if adding the quiver after bare shaft tuning effects shooting a fletched arrow enough ta worry about'' and as always thanx for all your doin for the stickbow shooter''' happy hunting.,.,.
Yes it does the question is can you detect it. You can back up tune with it on and see if it changes. I always tune with a quiver on if that is how I plan to hunt.
For all that effort for DAS, i would want lateral alignment. Lateral alignment would be rock solid with both loctite and hardened steel locating components. That and/or it would be nice to see rubber pads on the ILF option, can surely be done. It's not a nice looking riser, so it would need to be really perfect in terms of build/function to be worth the buy
I add a thin (0.5mm) flat rubber or leather washer and glue them to the tiller bolts my ILF risers. I glue on the same thin rubber or leather to the limbs where they meet the riser. This does mess with the tiller a little bit, but I can adjust the tiller bolts for it and the issue becomes moot. Velcro pile (loop) or thin felt might work too. Low strenght loctite for the lateral limb alignment is enough for me. This, paired with string whiskers or beaver balls, has made my bows noticeably quieter than the ones I've seen at the clubs I've been to, comparable to some of the compounds, at least to my ear.
and thank you once again for the quick reply, i put full quivers on my recurve and longbow i plan on huntin with this season and after a little tinkerin'''' Behold'' my bare shafts are flyin great out ta 25 yds, ''' bear season is just 2 weeks away, what would i do with out you'' but dont worry i no ill be needin your help again, lol,, if im blessed enough and i hunt my ass off and get a bear ill send you some pics'' now hurry up and post another video,,lol thanx again
I noticed you have MXT 10 long limbs on your DAS HT21. I want to get into trad from compound and I’m an avid bowhunter. Would that setup you have be good for tree stand hunting? Thanks!
I just bought a das 17 with the Das fitting non ilf. I had a few problems with this brand new riser. Limb butts were one of them. Sanded my Samick r3 limbs butts for clearance. The bottom tiller bolt was too big in diameter to turn in the tiller bolt one turn from factory setting without the bezel hitting the riser, clearance problem. I took an old bezel that I had, ground it on an angle so to have more clearance and was able to turn in 1.5 turns in from factory to bare shaft a 350 spine arrow. My samick R3 limbs are 45 lbs and now I'm guessing I have 48 lbs at 28 inch draw.. any problem with bottom tiller bolt clearance for you hitting the riser?
You put a flattened point or ground. You put the threaded end in the bushing it won't hurt the threads. And tap it out the pilot keeps it centered no damage.the target point fits the hole perfectly.
With ILF the limb is not supposed to be bottomed out against the tiller bolt. The dovetail hardware bottoms out leaving a gap between the limb fork and the tiller bolt.
Do you know the Limb Butt thickness of the TradTech Black MAx2.0 Glass /Fibre Recurve limbs at all. Thinking about pairing a set those with a Das Riser with the Das connection system.
So am I understanding that DAS limbs and ILF limbs are drilled and cut out the same and the difference is in the bushing? If I'm understanding this you can buy a used set of ILF limbs and convert them using the DAS bushing to use on DAS system?
Can I ask where is the max setting when adjusting tiller bolts for poundage would the brass sleeve being snug to the rubber pad be max setting in I've Just got hold of a das dalaa 17" I have some uuhka tuulai limbs 40# on a 19" riser and wondering how far I can screw the bolts in to gain a few # without causing any damage to limbs or having performance issues appreciate any help
Your best bet is to contact 3R Customer Service. I always try to match the line of the riser to the limbs. They seem to offer a broader window of tune in this space. That is usually the middle of the bolts.
@@tradlab1859thanks I actually started out with the back of the limb sort of matching the top edge of the riser shape I'll stick with that if I don't get a reply from 3rivers
I bought a Samick discovery ilf. Whenever I string the bow up the first shot makes a loud crack. After that it fine. No one at Three Rivers ever heard of this. Do you think I need to replace the dove tail. Seems like it won’t seat on its own.
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I was just looking at the 3 rivers catalog trying to figure out DAS vs ILF… then along come the TradLab with the answers.
Your channel is fantastic and your aproach is excellent. Thank you for sharing the incredible amounts of work you are doing with us all. Amazing resource.
I’ve been shooting one piece recurves and longbows for a few years and just bought my first takedown last week. I went with a DAS 21” riser and am loving it.
Love your videos, no one goes into such depth as you do. For the past year I've been working with my bow, ILF riser and DAS limbs, It's working out so far 🏹 ✌
Thank you for the kind words. DAS is my Overt Bias Brand. I have shot them for years.
Cool video fixing to swap out das for ilf. Thanks for showing us how to do it.
“It just defies everything we know about time and space.”
I remember when Hoyt tried to bring back that design on the high end Olympic bows with the Axis and FX limbs back in 2000. It was so easy to switch between ILF as the detent had a quick swap system. One thing I didn't like about it was how often that thumb screw would always come loose.
Yes I find that I check mine without thought.
"I didn't give them crooked money. I'm sending them back." 💯
It would be awesome if you did a video on how to set a Das bow up. Like where the limb bolts are actually bottomed out at. Is it better to measure brace from grip to string or from string to side plate. There’s a lot of confusing stuff in the manual.
Hey there, thanx for answering my feather question so fast'' and thanx for this ILF-DAS video, i new the difference but now i no 10 times more'' lol '' i was really needing or wantin' ta no if shooting the recurve and longbow with a quiver' 4-8 arrows'' on,, makes your arrows fly different or different enough ta effect your accuracy'' i no when i bare shaft tune an arrow to my recurve without a quiver it makes it makes a difference' just wantin ta no if adding the quiver after bare shaft tuning effects shooting a fletched arrow enough ta worry about'' and as always thanx for all your doin for the stickbow shooter''' happy hunting.,.,.
Yes it does the question is can you detect it. You can back up tune with it on and see if it changes. I always tune with a quiver on if that is how I plan to hunt.
For all that effort for DAS, i would want lateral alignment. Lateral alignment would be rock solid with both loctite and hardened steel locating components. That and/or it would be nice to see rubber pads on the ILF option, can surely be done.
It's not a nice looking riser, so it would need to be really perfect in terms of build/function to be worth the buy
I add a thin (0.5mm) flat rubber or leather washer and glue them to the tiller bolts my ILF risers.
I glue on the same thin rubber or leather to the limbs where they meet the riser.
This does mess with the tiller a little bit, but I can adjust the tiller bolts for it and the issue becomes moot.
Velcro pile (loop) or thin felt might work too.
Low strenght loctite for the lateral limb alignment is enough for me.
This, paired with string whiskers or beaver balls, has made my bows noticeably quieter than the ones I've seen at the clubs I've been to, comparable to some of the compounds, at least to my ear.
Great video once again, I guess I’ve just been too lazy to use DAS connections. I might have to change that now.
I just recently discovered your channel. Great stuff!
@@strugglestick509 🥰
and thank you once again for the quick reply, i put full quivers on my recurve and longbow i plan on huntin with this season and after a little tinkerin'''' Behold'' my bare shafts are flyin great out ta 25 yds, ''' bear season is just 2 weeks away, what would i do with out you'' but dont worry i no ill be needin your help again, lol,, if im blessed enough and i hunt my ass off and get a bear ill send you some pics'' now hurry up and post another video,,lol thanx again
I noticed you have MXT 10 long limbs on your DAS HT21. I want to get into trad from compound and I’m an avid bowhunter. Would that setup you have be good for tree stand hunting? Thanks!
Which bow is personal to you. And you enjoy shooting the most and why. Thank you.
I prefer DAS
I just bought a das 17 with the Das fitting non ilf. I had a few problems with this brand new riser. Limb butts were one of them. Sanded my Samick r3 limbs butts for clearance. The bottom tiller bolt was too big in diameter to turn in the tiller bolt one turn from factory setting without the bezel hitting the riser, clearance problem. I took an old bezel that I had, ground it on an angle so to have more clearance and was able to turn in 1.5 turns in from factory to bare shaft a 350 spine arrow. My samick R3 limbs are 45 lbs and now I'm guessing I have 48 lbs at 28 inch draw.. any problem with bottom tiller bolt clearance for you hitting the riser?
You put a flattened point or ground. You put the threaded end in the bushing it won't hurt the threads. And tap it out the pilot keeps it centered no damage.the target point fits the hole perfectly.
With ILF the limb is not supposed to be bottomed out against the tiller bolt. The dovetail hardware bottoms out leaving a gap between the limb fork and the tiller bolt.
Cody, I have a question. What is that bow right above the black widow PA?
Do you know the Limb Butt thickness of the TradTech Black MAx2.0 Glass /Fibre Recurve limbs at all. Thinking about pairing a set those with a Das Riser with the Das connection system.
They should work fine.
So am I understanding that DAS limbs and ILF limbs are drilled and cut out the same and the difference is in the bushing? If I'm understanding this you can buy a used set of ILF limbs and convert them using the DAS bushing to use on DAS system?
Yes you can convert ILF to DAS as long as the bushing goes through the entire limb.
What ilf is good for hunting?
Can I ask where is the max setting when adjusting tiller bolts for poundage would the brass sleeve being snug to the rubber pad be max setting in I've Just got hold of a das dalaa 17" I have some uuhka tuulai limbs 40# on a 19" riser and wondering how far I can screw the bolts in to gain a few # without causing any damage to limbs or having performance issues appreciate any help
Your best bet is to contact 3R Customer Service. I always try to match the line of the riser to the limbs. They seem to offer a broader window of tune in this space. That is usually the middle of the bolts.
@@tradlab1859thanks I actually started out with the back of the limb sort of matching the top edge of the riser shape I'll stick with that if I don't get a reply from 3rivers
What glue do you use to hold down the rubber pads?
Can I convert an ILF bow riser to have a das pocket?
No Sir, Not unless it is a DAS brand riser
Use a old tread in point. I have never had a problem. Catch spring and detent pin in a spray can lid.
I bought a Samick discovery ilf. Whenever I string the bow up the first shot makes a loud crack. After that it fine. No one at Three Rivers ever heard of this. Do you think I need to replace the dove tail. Seems like it won’t seat on its own.
Do you seat the limbs by drawing it about 4" and letting go of the string?
He's right on the money. Pull back the string a few inches and let it go. If allows everything to seat correctly.
I always thought the ilf limbs should lock in. Mine does not and has not since new so I have to be cautious when stringing
I would call the retailer and discuss this with them.
@@tradlab1859 I did and was told it was not uncommon for a limb not to lock in.
I think Belcher used or Sosa used Spigarellis system from Italy 🇮🇹
The ILF?
Great information! Garbage lighting x)
Lost 20 points bc my ilf bushing walked out on me
I have seen a few that were loose
@@tradlab1859 there are ilf risers with metal walls next to the mounting point and some don't does that effect shooting or is it just for looks
@@samueladiwinata3440 I am not really sure.