Really cool. I have a M:Cycles and found this quite entertaining. Especially to see the build quality and efficiency inside the unit. Thanks for the exploration! :)
Awesome! glad you liked it. Yes I didn't mention it in the video but I was also interested to see how they got the cost down to $300. Looks like one-sided PCB, low cost processor, plastic screws, minimal parts, and single PCB were part of the story
Excellent teardown! Loved hearing a mechanical engineering perspective on the enclosure design. Can't tell you how many parts I looked at trying to get the z-height right for front panel components on my sequencer.... For your force sensitivity fix, if your theory is right it seems logical that you could simply swap out the capacitor on each button for a smaller value that would discharge more quickly. Then less pressure should provide a shorter discharge time /pulse width and trigger the note sooner. Easy enough to test with some hot air and a book of 0603 caps!
Extralife is here! I did look on the board for the the caps I suspected to exist. I couldn’t find a pattern of 6 identical caps and I didn’t put in the effort to follow the traces to the other caps I saw. Someone on reddit suggested to wire a 300K resistor in parallel with the force sensitive resistor and I think that that might work quite well, just to nudge the net resistance down a bit. I might try that if I’m having hacker’s block someday
Engineering Technican by day, noisemaker by night. I appreciate the effort bud! You saved me a bit of time as I had planned to add some additional rubber slivers under the pads (as is commonplace in the MPC world) but this shows it wouldn't have solved anything.
thanks for letting me know! Glad you liked it. Ya if my theory is correct then adding additional thickness to the compression stack won't improve the feel. It really puzzles me why they shipped it with this feel. Part of the joy of percussion instruments is heard the response from a light tap!
@@TheNormalUniverse I made some 3d printed shims I found on thingiverse and it did improve the feel. I'd give something similar a shot, I was happy with the results.
you can use lead of soft pencil to gain the sensitivity(just carefully stroke contacts with it on pcb) - trust me, you can't imagine how good this hack is
@@TheNormalUniverse I'm using this mod for different devices all my life. And now - on model cycles. By the way, the sensitivity of model cycles is really surprising. Can't understand why this procedure is not done on factory for all kind of such devices. Give it a try and Im sure you come back to thank me)
Thanks for the teardown video. I think the pad sensitivity issue might be solved if more rigid rubber feet were used. Pushing my model:samples down with 1 hand and hitting T1-6 with my other hand makes it way easier and more consistent to trigger.
Thanks for the teardown! just so its known, you can tweak the velocity settings (shift > back button/pad settings) on the pad and it will make it much easier to press. You can disable velocity completely or tweak the threshold so its triggered easier without losing velocity completely. It doesn't completely fix the problem, but it makes it more tolerable.
Aw, too bad that you did not find a way to fix the pad sensitivity. Thanks for trying and sharing the results. I sent my cycles unit back few days after purchase as my wrist was hurting all the time and despite the machine being amazing in every other respect, it was unusable for me.
Ya everyone is saying the same thing about the pads! I checked the Elektron forums it's similar. I don't mean to spread negative vibes because the device is otherwise quite fun to use and sounds beautiful. A few people made suggestions about how to fix it I might try to do them in a followup video.
Thank you for the video. Finally I succeed to web-search with "elektron model cycles 300k resistor pads reddit". Another fix would be to drill some holes underneath each rubber pad, so that they would squish easier. But pay attention of any kind of fix: the pads were made to response to both velocity and aftertouch. If you make the velocity responsive at light finger hits, then the aftertouch might be affected, as the retrigger might not work at light presses for example.
Looks like they use velostat as pressure sensitive material. You can try to use pieces of a thicker sheet of velostat to increase the pressure sensitivity.
Interesting. Velostat definitely looks identical to what Elektron used. I wouldn't be sure until I could check what material vendor Electron used. A thicker sheet of velostat would hopefully help.
Thanks for watching. My synth is actually happening! Just got a Teensy making sound last weekend. Definitely lots of videos to come. th-cam.com/video/KHlfCAg94u0/w-d-xo.html
Ya I think it's great! My main gripe is I wish they laid out the steps in two rows of 8 like the digitone so you could have a simple keyboard layout. Entering pitch on this machine is a little clunky.
awesome video! really enjoyed the explanations and the humour :-) pity you couldn't get the pads to be softer in the cycles it's a bit weird to play I find, hopefully someone will come up with a solution, super interested in more synth videos from you!
Nice teardown. Have to hand it to Elektron for such a clean design. I wonder if you could add a bit of copper foil tape to each of the velostat squares in order to increase conductance with less pressure? Maybe a small strip would do the job?
Thanks for letting me know! I got a recommendation on reddit to add a parallel resistor with a few kOhm of resistance, same thing you're suggesting except a copper strip would basically be a short circuit. I think it makes sense. I might try it and make a video about it sometime. Currently at my family home for the holidays so I'm away from the lab.
@@TheNormalUniverse I will search for that reddit post, as I am also an electronics tech, and wish to increase the sensitivity of the T1-T6 pads. Please respond with link, if you have one. Came here, hoping to learn something, I could use for that purpose, and you made that happen. Thanks very much for this teardown/upload. Just subscribed. Best wishes for your continued success.
Thank you for posting this! It's been really informative. I'm having some trouble with the pads on a second-hand model: samples I bought recently, for some reason the "conductive" square things on that transparent sheet aren't working, except for the one on pad #5. When I move it to the other pads' contacts, they work, which made me assume that it's the sheet that's being culprit. Any ideas on how to fix this? Goodbye and thanks again :)
wow you really got deep! So you're saying you did a swap test and when you place the conductive sheet for pad 5 on other pads the other pads start working again? That would be a strong indication that the problem is with the sheet. I would inspect the sheet for dirt or corrosion. You could also try using a bit of wire to short circuit the pad traces on the PCB to see if that triggers the channel, which can help confirm that the channel is still able to trigger. Sounds like a tough problem though.
@@TheNormalUniverse yeah, my guess is that dirt from other places of the device ended up there when I applied some contact cleaner (is that the name for it in english? lol, not my first language) to the trig buttons to loosen up their stickiness >:@. What would you do in order to clean the sheet? I think the black squares are "velostat", but not really sure. Thank you for answering!! Loving your channel, bro.
Update!! I tried putting buttons from the other "mat" over the pad's circuitry on the board and confirmed they are OK, the issue is definitely the black stuff on the transparent sheet (seems to be just carbon at last). The pressure-level is sensed directly onboard. Will try some conductive ink and come with results!! :) Thank you again, you really inspired me to go this far (I also enjoy repairing stuff, despite my limited electronics knowledge).
Ok so I finally bought some conductive ink/paint (I wanted a carbon based one but ended up getting silver) and applied just a little over each one of the squares on that transparent sheet and VOILÁ!!!!! fixed, I even got better sensitivity. Just don't apply too much (metal based ink is way more conductive than carbon). Just be careful! Thanks again.
@@TheNormalUniverse Cool! I have one of those too. Looking forward to your teardown/analysis. I have already taken mine apart, to look at the encoders, so I could replace a bent one (matrix encoder). I could not easily locate a replacement, so I bent it back into place, and it works fine, for now. Please post, if you can locate replacement encoders. One other thing, that is a bit of a problem, is the 1/8" control/timing voltage jacks, are very stiff/difficult to plug/unplug. Thinking of modifying/replacing them to be easier to use. I like my MicroFreak so much, I bought a second one :-) Thanks again, for doing this stuff, and sharing on TH-cam. Have a wonderful day!
Thanks. It's a real shame that a fix can't be easily found. Model:Cycles is a great machine but my T1 - T6 pads are so stiff I have them set up at fixed velocity 127 and they're still hard to use in real time, so the M:C is a failure as a finger-drumming device.
Hi Strahlemann, glad you liked it! The knobs are held on with friction only. If you can find a stiff object that fits underneath the knob you can wiggle it up and down until the knob starts sliding off the shaft. A flathead screwdriver would work but that will scratch up your case. Better to find something plastic. There's a tool called a spudger made specifically for this purpose, taking things apart while minimizing scratching. Search spudger on amazon, they're nice to have around.
Cool Video. Very interesting. If you get a chance, take a look at the Soma Lyra 8 organismic synth. The build quality and PCB is amazing. The Sonic Lab review kind of touches on the build quality a little bit. All of Somas products are very interesting.
You can change the velocity sensitive Pads in the elektron menu. You can also send fx (like reverb) by the velocity. But when the problem is still not solved i would make the Pads harder. Here the tutorial 18:19 th-cam.com/video/VI0irMgdgQo/w-d-xo.html
Hi Wuhan! Thanks for the input, I already maxed out the sensitivity in the elektron menu and still find it note sensitive enough. Readying the Elektron forum I think this is pretty common feedback. I don't think there's an easy way to make the pads harder without molding your own pads.
@@TheNormalUniverse you think to complex In the old days people use korg or other stuff to make the mpc pads more sensitive and stiffer. th-cam.com/video/ck1nk1xBTfU/w-d-xo.html
So I got here from your "intro to mechanical engineering drawing" video. This one is also nice :P I'm actually really interested in diving into mechanical engineering, what are some good resources you'd recommend for beginners? I have a background in software engineering btw
Hey Esser! Glad you're liking my videos. Mechanical Design is such a broad mixture of skills I haven't found a good resource for it. Here are the components though CAD: Download Fusion 360 and watch tutorials on TH-cam Fundamentals of Materials and Statics: TH-cam channels "Structure Free" and "The Efficient Engineer" Product Teardowns: "EEV Blog" Teardown Tuesday videos Other than that all I can say is make make make things. Try to think though your design, how to assemble it, how the loads travel through the system, how things might break. I think the best way to get better at mechanical design is just to make things. Thanks for watching!
Hi Cybe, I believe I used some phillip's drivers of unkown brand. I recommend getting the screw driver kit from iFixit for all your teardown needs though. It's a nice kit and the lid doubles as a screw organizer
Great I'm glad to know I had some useful perspective. Electronics aren't my strong suit so I'll probably be focusing more on traditional products than eurorack modules. I'll definitely get into the electronics when I understand what's going on.
@@TheNormalUniverse I think eurorack is a pretty easy way to build your own synth. It's expensive though, so if you are on a budget DIY kits are popular and are made to be easy to solder as long as you follow the instructions. But doing it by the numbers, you don't really see the big picture. I just liked the way you broke down the buttons with the oscilloscope on model cycles. DSP stuff is fun also, I look forward to seeing what you come up with.
@@robertsyrett1992 ooh I see what you're saying. Ya I'm more interested in making a product to sell so I'm trying to make a digital synth from scratch. Analog stuff is too complicated for me I'm more interested in the play surface so I'm going to program a digital synth.
Robert Syrett in order to keep it flexible, I want to have swappable “synth engines,” a screen, and multifunction knobs like the OP-1. I think the first engines I would tackle would be a subtractive synth and a sampler synth to cover a lot of bases quickly, then work from there
I don't have a model:samples to tear down. I imagine the hardware is very similar, but I would be surprised if they managed to make the hardware so perfectly identical that you could change from one to the other with a firmware update.
Really cool. I have a M:Cycles and found this quite entertaining. Especially to see the build quality and efficiency inside the unit. Thanks for the exploration! :)
Awesome! glad you liked it. Yes I didn't mention it in the video but I was also interested to see how they got the cost down to $300. Looks like one-sided PCB, low cost processor, plastic screws, minimal parts, and single PCB were part of the story
Excellent teardown! Loved hearing a mechanical engineering perspective on the enclosure design. Can't tell you how many parts I looked at trying to get the z-height right for front panel components on my sequencer.... For your force sensitivity fix, if your theory is right it seems logical that you could simply swap out the capacitor on each button for a smaller value that would discharge more quickly. Then less pressure should provide a shorter discharge time /pulse width and trigger the note sooner. Easy enough to test with some hot air and a book of 0603 caps!
Extralife is here! I did look on the board for the the caps I suspected to exist. I couldn’t find a pattern of 6 identical caps and I didn’t put in the effort to follow the traces to the other caps I saw. Someone on reddit suggested to wire a 300K resistor in parallel with the force sensitive resistor and I think that that might work quite well, just to nudge the net resistance down a bit. I might try that if I’m having hacker’s block someday
Engineering Technican by day, noisemaker by night. I appreciate the effort bud!
You saved me a bit of time as I had planned to add some additional rubber slivers under the pads (as is commonplace in the MPC world) but this shows it wouldn't have solved anything.
thanks for letting me know! Glad you liked it. Ya if my theory is correct then adding additional thickness to the compression stack won't improve the feel. It really puzzles me why they shipped it with this feel. Part of the joy of percussion instruments is heard the response from a light tap!
@@TheNormalUniverse I made some 3d printed shims I found on thingiverse and it did improve the feel.
I'd give something similar a shot, I was happy with the results.
you can use lead of soft pencil to gain the sensitivity(just carefully stroke contacts with it on pcb) - trust me, you can't imagine how good this hack is
Thanks Maksim! I'll try it. Did you do this on a model:cycles or model:sampels?
@@TheNormalUniverse I'm using this mod for different devices all my life. And now - on model cycles. By the way, the sensitivity of model cycles is really surprising. Can't understand why this procedure is not done on factory for all kind of such devices.
Give it a try and Im sure you come back to thank me)
Thanks for the teardown video. I think the pad sensitivity issue might be solved if more rigid rubber feet were used. Pushing my model:samples down with 1 hand and hitting T1-6 with my other hand makes it way easier and more consistent to trigger.
This is great content! Looking forward for the next project :)
awesome! glad you liked it
Thanks for the teardown! just so its known, you can tweak the velocity settings (shift > back button/pad settings) on the pad and it will make it much easier to press. You can disable velocity completely or tweak the threshold so its triggered easier without losing velocity completely. It doesn't completely fix the problem, but it makes it more tolerable.
incredible. i'd love to see more synths/electronic instruments
this was fascinating
Hi - great video, just subscribed. I've been planning on making a diy banana modular for a while now, so looking forward to your progress!
glad you liked it! thanks for letting me know
i cant wait for an update of your synth!
Aw, too bad that you did not find a way to fix the pad sensitivity. Thanks for trying and sharing the results.
I sent my cycles unit back few days after purchase as my wrist was hurting all the time and despite the machine being amazing in every other respect, it was unusable for me.
Ya everyone is saying the same thing about the pads! I checked the Elektron forums it's similar. I don't mean to spread negative vibes because the device is otherwise quite fun to use and sounds beautiful. A few people made suggestions about how to fix it I might try to do them in a followup video.
@@TheNormalUniverse I will look forward to that.
It would be a great contribution to the Model:Cycles/Samples community.
Great mix of engineering technobabble and groovy synth beats
Haha thanks Phil I aim to please
There's something a bit sexy about the innards of these machines.
Thank you for the video. Finally I succeed to web-search with "elektron model cycles 300k resistor pads reddit". Another fix would be to drill some holes underneath each rubber pad, so that they would squish easier. But pay attention of any kind of fix: the pads were made to response to both velocity and aftertouch. If you make the velocity responsive at light finger hits, then the aftertouch might be affected, as the retrigger might not work at light presses for example.
Looks like they use velostat as pressure sensitive material. You can try to use pieces of a thicker sheet of velostat to increase the pressure sensitivity.
Interesting. Velostat definitely looks identical to what Elektron used. I wouldn't be sure until I could check what material vendor Electron used. A thicker sheet of velostat would hopefully help.
Super sick video!
Awesome video!
Thanks for letting me know! Lots more synth content coming up.
Super interesting to watch. Subbed for your own synth :)
Thanks for watching. My synth is actually happening! Just got a Teensy making sound last weekend. Definitely lots of videos to come. th-cam.com/video/KHlfCAg94u0/w-d-xo.html
This is awesome!
Thanks ginja!
aye, this was awesome! thanks a ton~!
Glad you liked it!
Pretty late to the party but thanks a lot for this video! Very interesting and educational :)
I'm glad you enjoyed my ranting! Thanks for letting me know
These went on sale this weekend and I am waiting on my order to be delivered. They seem well maid, considering it’s their budget line.
Ya I think it's great! My main gripe is I wish they laid out the steps in two rows of 8 like the digitone so you could have a simple keyboard layout. Entering pitch on this machine is a little clunky.
@@TheNormalUniverse Attaching a midi keyboard helps a lot.
awesome video! really enjoyed the explanations and the humour :-) pity you couldn't get the pads to be softer in the cycles it's a bit weird to play I find, hopefully someone will come up with a solution, super interested in more synth videos from you!
Thanks Gus! More videos to come in the future, just swamped with my day job right now.
Please, see my last comment on how to gain the sensitivity...
Nice teardown. Have to hand it to Elektron for such a clean design. I wonder if you could add a bit of copper foil tape to each of the velostat squares in order to increase conductance with less pressure? Maybe a small strip would do the job?
Thanks for letting me know! I got a recommendation on reddit to add a parallel resistor with a few kOhm of resistance, same thing you're suggesting except a copper strip would basically be a short circuit. I think it makes sense. I might try it and make a video about it sometime. Currently at my family home for the holidays so I'm away from the lab.
@@TheNormalUniverse I will search for that reddit post, as I am also an electronics tech, and wish to increase the sensitivity of the T1-T6 pads.
Please respond with link, if you have one.
Came here, hoping to learn something, I could use for that purpose, and you made that happen.
Thanks very much for this teardown/upload. Just subscribed.
Best wishes for your continued success.
Thank you for posting this! It's been really informative. I'm having some trouble with the pads on a second-hand model: samples I bought recently, for some reason the "conductive" square things on that transparent sheet aren't working, except for the one on pad #5. When I move it to the other pads' contacts, they work, which made me assume that it's the sheet that's being culprit. Any ideas on how to fix this? Goodbye and thanks again :)
wow you really got deep! So you're saying you did a swap test and when you place the conductive sheet for pad 5 on other pads the other pads start working again? That would be a strong indication that the problem is with the sheet. I would inspect the sheet for dirt or corrosion. You could also try using a bit of wire to short circuit the pad traces on the PCB to see if that triggers the channel, which can help confirm that the channel is still able to trigger. Sounds like a tough problem though.
@@TheNormalUniverse yeah, my guess is that dirt from other places of the device ended up there when I applied some contact cleaner (is that the name for it in english? lol, not my first language) to the trig buttons to loosen up their stickiness >:@. What would you do in order to clean the sheet? I think the black squares are "velostat", but not really sure. Thank you for answering!! Loving your channel, bro.
Update!! I tried putting buttons from the other "mat" over the pad's circuitry on the board and confirmed they are OK, the issue is definitely the black stuff on the transparent sheet (seems to be just carbon at last). The pressure-level is sensed directly onboard. Will try some conductive ink and come with results!! :) Thank you again, you really inspired me to go this far (I also enjoy repairing stuff, despite my limited electronics knowledge).
Ok so I finally bought some conductive ink/paint (I wanted a carbon based one but ended up getting silver) and applied just a little over each one of the squares on that transparent sheet and VOILÁ!!!!! fixed, I even got better sensitivity. Just don't apply too much (metal based ink is way more conductive than carbon). Just be careful!
Thanks again.
thanks for looking inside)
Doing what I can! Microfreak is next
@@TheNormalUniverse nice idea, lets see how that capacitative piano works
@@TheNormalUniverse Cool! I have one of those too.
Looking forward to your teardown/analysis.
I have already taken mine apart, to look at the encoders, so I could replace a bent one (matrix encoder).
I could not easily locate a replacement, so I bent it back into place, and it works fine, for now.
Please post, if you can locate replacement encoders.
One other thing, that is a bit of a problem, is the 1/8" control/timing voltage jacks, are very stiff/difficult to plug/unplug.
Thinking of modifying/replacing them to be easier to use.
I like my MicroFreak so much, I bought a second one :-)
Thanks again, for doing this stuff, and sharing on TH-cam.
Have a wonderful day!
Thanks. It's a real shame that a fix can't be easily found. Model:Cycles is a great machine but my T1 - T6 pads are so stiff I have them set up at fixed velocity 127 and they're still hard to use in real time, so the M:C is a failure as a finger-drumming device.
Yup, it came so close to the finish line. One of the main reasons I wanted this over a digitakt or digitone is for finger drummer
Pretty cool.
You're not uploading anymore?
Life/school/work, that kinda thing?
Thank you for your work! Can you tell us how you removed the knobs right in the beginning?
Hi Strahlemann, glad you liked it! The knobs are held on with friction only. If you can find a stiff object that fits underneath the knob you can wiggle it up and down until the knob starts sliding off the shaft. A flathead screwdriver would work but that will scratch up your case. Better to find something plastic. There's a tool called a spudger made specifically for this purpose, taking things apart while minimizing scratching. Search spudger on amazon, they're nice to have around.
Cool Video. Very interesting. If you get a chance, take a look at the Soma Lyra 8 organismic synth. The build quality and PCB is amazing. The Sonic Lab review kind of touches on the build quality a little bit. All of Somas products are very interesting.
do you think the usb socket could be swapped for a usb c socket?
I don't think that would be easy to do, beyond me EE skills
You can change the velocity sensitive Pads in the elektron menu.
You can also send fx (like reverb) by the velocity.
But when the problem is still not solved i would make the Pads harder.
Here the tutorial
18:19
th-cam.com/video/VI0irMgdgQo/w-d-xo.html
Hi Wuhan! Thanks for the input, I already maxed out the sensitivity in the elektron menu and still find it note sensitive enough. Readying the Elektron forum I think this is pretty common feedback. I don't think there's an easy way to make the pads harder without molding your own pads.
@@TheNormalUniverse you think to complex
In the old days people use korg or other stuff to make the mpc pads more sensitive and stiffer.
th-cam.com/video/ck1nk1xBTfU/w-d-xo.html
@@meinemudda3095 Hey that's cool! I dig it
@@TheNormalUniverse this is better
Its like the same pads
You nee electrical tape
Its really that easy
th-cam.com/video/qd90x1Gcf6Y/w-d-xo.html
Sick!
Thanks Calzar!
So I got here from your "intro to mechanical engineering drawing" video. This one is also nice :P
I'm actually really interested in diving into mechanical engineering, what are some good resources you'd recommend for beginners? I have a background in software engineering btw
Hey Esser! Glad you're liking my videos. Mechanical Design is such a broad mixture of skills I haven't found a good resource for it. Here are the components though
CAD: Download Fusion 360 and watch tutorials on TH-cam
Fundamentals of Materials and Statics: TH-cam channels "Structure Free" and "The Efficient Engineer"
Product Teardowns: "EEV Blog" Teardown Tuesday videos
Other than that all I can say is make make make things. Try to think though your design, how to assemble it, how the loads travel through the system, how things might break. I think the best way to get better at mechanical design is just to make things.
Thanks for watching!
What screwdriver do you use for elektron tear downs?
Hi Cybe, I believe I used some phillip's drivers of unkown brand. I recommend getting the screw driver kit from iFixit for all your teardown needs though. It's a nice kit and the lid doubles as a screw organizer
Low on cash, would you say the 32 bit kit would have the right bit in it?
Is there room for a tube of AAA or AA batteries anywhere inside the thing?
Hmm it’s been so long I’m not sure
@@TheNormalUniverse Thanks for getting back to me, but I realized it doesn't have a song mode anyway, so meh.
By all means make some eurorack DIY kits. There are lots of circuits I would love to see explained at the level of components like this.
Great I'm glad to know I had some useful perspective. Electronics aren't my strong suit so I'll probably be focusing more on traditional products than eurorack modules. I'll definitely get into the electronics when I understand what's going on.
@@TheNormalUniverse I think eurorack is a pretty easy way to build your own synth. It's expensive though, so if you are on a budget DIY kits are popular and are made to be easy to solder as long as you follow the instructions. But doing it by the numbers, you don't really see the big picture. I just liked the way you broke down the buttons with the oscilloscope on model cycles. DSP stuff is fun also, I look forward to seeing what you come up with.
@@robertsyrett1992 ooh I see what you're saying. Ya I'm more interested in making a product to sell so I'm trying to make a digital synth from scratch. Analog stuff is too complicated for me I'm more interested in the play surface so I'm going to program a digital synth.
@@TheNormalUniverse Very cool, what kind of synthesis engine do you envision?
Robert Syrett in order to keep it flexible, I want to have swappable “synth engines,” a screen, and multifunction knobs like the OP-1. I think the first engines I would tackle would be a subtractive synth and a sampler synth to cover a lot of
bases quickly, then work from there
Dude this is cool what happened to your channel?
Sorry Patrick! Go busy with life. Hard to keep up the habit. Thank you for the encouragement!
Hi,Do you think the hardware of samples and cycles are exactly the same? If it is the same. I can install the cycles firmware on models or vice versa.
I don't have a model:samples to tear down. I imagine the hardware is very similar, but I would be surprised if they managed to make the hardware so perfectly identical that you could change from one to the other with a firmware update.
Did you opened also the model samples?
sorry I don't have a model samples, I assume it's very similar inside
Where are you?
model cycles totally needs an external midi controller to play the pads properly
yup I actually sold mine, the sort of dead feeling pads took away the fun
Interesting video. But please don't call the Model:Cycles a "drum machine". It's a drum machine + a synth + a sequencer = a groovebox.
yeah I agree. As far as grooveboxes go, this one is pretty drum machine inspired.
Thanks. Good information when you're trying to talk an extra 5 or 10% off the price.
glad you liked it