Star Wars, Episode I: The Plinkett Menace, part 2
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- In part 2 we continue our exploration of Episode I: The Phantom Menace scene by scene and challenge viewpoints from Plinkett and copycat critics.
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I will never look at Episode I the same after your videos. There is depth I never saw before.
Great series of videos! Found your channel because of your Alien 3 videos, now I'm working my way through your whole collection.
Loved this series
I'll never understand the complaints about the political scenes in TPM. The scenes with Padme and Palpatine are really well staged and acted, and I love the depth and tone of the scene when Padme goes up against the senate. I would these same people would dislike the Godfather Part 2 or anything similar. George's staging, blocking and camera work in Phantom Menace is amongst the best in his filmography
I loved how you followed the little blue family's story. I never noticed it before. Those little moments show how well-crafted this movie is. A lot of effort went into it. Really appreciate your take on all of this. I think your analysis of the Jedi is spot on, and the way you lay out Palpatines plan (and his deviation from it to account for Padme's action) is great because I never really gave much thought to how Palaptine adapted to new obstacles.
Over-joyed you're getting stuff out of it. Thanks
For the stuff about the immaculate conception, I think I get where Lucas was going with it after looking into his love of Dune. I definetly see the parallels between Qui Gon and Stilgar and them wanting this young prodigy to fulfill this prophecy
George Lucas is a genius. He even has subtle background stories like the alien racer bringing his family on a tour of the city, then he's excited to be in the big race, then he crashes and dies, then his family who was watching the race is mourning him. How many movies have subtle background stories like that? Also, the tourism thing reminds me of how in Empire Strikes Back you can see in the background of some shots a group of human children being led around the facility by a protocol droid, perhaps on a sort of school field trip. If that droid is their teacher, it's also loosely comparable to the classroom scene with Yoda and the Jedi younglings in Attack of the Clones.
(Come to think of it, "Yoda and the Jedi Younglings" could be the name of a band. 😂)
A top notch analysis. Thank you for your insights. I’ve always felt that this movie gets way more criticism than it deserves.
There is a lot of cemented hate for the prequels and I completely agree with you.
Rather than slaves the Skywalkers might have been more like indentured servants. Semantics I know lol
The main problem I have with this movie was honestly there was too much they didn't show and state, while focusing too much on stuff that didn't need to be shown as much as it did.
And, no, I was not a fan of Jar Jar as a whole, and at least the "Darth Jar Jar" theory makes him a little less of a "nonsense character" that shouldn't have been portrayed how he was. My thoughts is that he could have been done less "silly", and still jave been loved by kids, while being more accepted by adults (the fans of the original trilogy).
Best lightsaber fight is duel of the fates for sure. Second favorite is on cloud city
I disagree with you, strongly in some cases. Yet this was well put together and fairly strongly argued
Thanks for giving your point of view and your tactful words. We appreciate whatever your view is and we're just glad you joined us. In the future we hope to hear from you more whatever your take.
All the deleted scenes from the prequel trilogy make me wish all 6 films had 4 hour cuts.
I could go for extended cuts on all of them.
There is so much in Phantom Menace that really makes me grimace and cringe. While I don't think of it at all as a worst movie contender, parts of it do make me feel physically ill, which interferes greatly with me deriving enjoyment out of it. It's definitely improved with Rifftrax.
12:22 He should have had to use the force to not only win the race , but to survive it. Something like having to run it at full speed or something
While I agree with the Plinkett review, I really enjoyed this video for being very well put and helped me see elements from the movie in a different light. Especially qui-gon jinn, as I never really thought of him as someone who went against the Jedi counsel’s rigid methodical mindset. It really makes his death even more tragic. I think with a stronger script, his character would have been better fleshed out and the overarching story and themes Lucas envisioned would have made for a great movie.
Appreciate your different perspectives. Glad you visited our channel SirChadofWick.
The current Jedi never truly learned to mind their surroundings. They lack the courage to do what is right. WAIT! Why does that sound familiar???
I don't know, yet you don't state what it is familiar to. Best to come out and say it so we get your point across.
@RepresentThis i think it was another Liam Neeson movie where he kept talking about order and justice and balance. I'm pretty sure Anakin won't of hesitated to burn Gotham to the Ground.... We know the son of Anakin Skywalker surely won't hesitate ;)
@@anthonyruby2668 Ah right, got it. Thanks
I think Luke going into exile was actually just Michael Arndt's script. I can't find anything pointing to that specifically actually coming from Lucas's treatments. Meanwhile, Arndt talked about not knowing what to do with Luke because he thought he'd just steal the spotlight from the new characters whenever he showed up, which I think is kind of silly, if he's the new Yoda, well, Yoda didn't really hijack the prequels, did he? If he's the Grandmaster rebuilding the Order, he doesn't need to be the guy doing everything. Yoda was the Grandmaster with an in tact order and wasn't the guy doing everything in the plot either.
Well, actually I guess there's Hidalgo saying such, but that's literally it, and he wasn't one of the people working on the script really. I think this is an instance of him misremembering information, because Arndt's own word makes it sound like he put Luke in exile because he didn't know what to do with him.
While I do enjoy the video take down and do agree that discussions of films while being critical of films is important it's best to be do so for the enjoyment... I do think that films can be far more than entertainment and it's best recognized that by showing us how fascism can rise.
Also, being in curious about the Star Wars movies I grew up in Sacramento and ads on TV advertising the stat wars books for the novelization and visual dictionary. At the time I got the Phantom Menace visual dictionary. I did lose it at some point but I got another and all the others as well. So I contend that a lot of his attitude is incurious snobbish bullshit.
The general problem is the movie lacks the sense of wonder of the originals; the adventure, the mythos, the humor, and that visceral sense of a grand story. PM may have nuances at times, but they are dry and stilted, and the movie feels procedural and lacking flow. There are good reasons, as you point out, for the depiction of the Jedi and the politics of the Federation. Yet all the details and pedantic plot points dull the senses of the audience. Unfortunately the inspiring feel of jumping into an epic story that episode IV unleashed was tamed by this prequel series that too often felt like an exercise in connecting dots to get to a predetermined conclusion; the fall of Anakin into Vader. But, saying all that, your videos are extremely engaging and your viewpoints very interesting. Also several of the Plinkett excerpts you included made me laugh out loud. The guy is a pretty good curmudgeon. Peace and Ty
2:05 Quinlan Vos also just so happens to be the master of Aayla Secura. So that's neat.
3:11 Huh. I never thought of it like that before. Fascinating.
4:22 You are absolutely right, sir. Although this isn't in the final movie, in The Phantom Menace's script, during Maul and Sidious' exchange, they talk a little longer before Maul's famous "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge." line, and Maul mentions that they did indeed trace our main characters to Tatooine, almost certainly with Governor Bibble's message. I'm not entirely sure why that didn't make it into the final movie, but I thought it was worth pointing out.
5:34 Although I have no proof of this, I think the animators were probably being little sh*ts and throwing this stuff in as easter eggs.
7:52 If you want to get... somewhat of a better understanding of midi-chlorians, the Whills, and all that other insanity, I highly recommend Rick Worley's video on the subject, if you haven't seen it already. I know you're familiar with his work, so that should provide some insight. If you have already seen it, I also recommend watching Nerdonymous' two-part series "Star Wars: Apocrypha", where he talks at length about the process that went into the ultimate scrapping of George Lucas' Sequel Trilogy and how the overall story was 'crafted' (huge air quotes) from there. He goes a bit into how midi-chlorians worked there, and I think it's worth looking at if you're interested in this.
18:33 I like this scene for two reasons: One, it shows that even at this young age, Greedo has a bad habit of getting into fights he has no business getting into; something which will haunt him for the rest of his life and ultimately lead to his downfall. Two, it shows us that Anakin has trouble keeping his emotions in check, as while Greedo was the one to accuse him of cheating, Anakin was very clearly the one to throw the first punch. That lesson you mentioned Gui-Gon teaching Anakin at this moment was actually about this fight, as Qui-Gon says that Anakin needs to learn to accept other's opinions, and that fighting won't resolve such things. I think you and I will both recognize that this is something Anakin will continue to struggle with for a long time after this.
19:59 Yeah, I always thought it was a little strange why this was left out. I'm sure there was a reason, I just can't think of any.
22:40 Amen to that. The scenes with Padme and the Delegation of 2000 are just golden. If you ask me, they never should've been cut.
Here's something interesting I found: In the script, just before the race, Anakin and Padme have a brief conversation, where Anakin says that he had a dream about Padme, where she was "leading a huge army into battle." Padme dismisses this, but it's very clearly foreshadowing the Battle of Naboo at the end of the film. So that's neat.
24:37 I think the reason this information is never brought up is that Palpatine had already convinced Padme that Chancellor Valorum and the Senate would not help even with such evidence, and that the only way to get anything done would be to call for a vote of no confidence in Valorum and have a new, stronger Chancellor elected to force the issue. Someone like... Palpatine, for instance? (Hint, hint)
So she never brought up the evidence because her mind was already made up to oust Valorum in this meeting at Palpatine's suggestion. Either that, or it could've been that Lott Dod kept interrupting and Valorum was convinced to accept a commission before any evidence could be presented. Or it could've been some combination of both.
31:11 I would say there are two reasons there's only one Lucrehulk-class cargo ship orbiting Naboo by this point. One, the Trade Federation controls the surface of Naboo now, and as such, their previous blockade is no longer necessary, and actually, this is mentioned in the script right before they land; Two, going back to what I said last video, Gunray is working off of the assumption that Sidious will make sure the Trade Federation's control of Naboo is accepted in the Senate, so Gunray is probably thinking that if he lifts the blockade and leaves only one Lucrehulk in orbit, the Trade Federation will have a better chance of getting that Senatorial approval. This is conjecture on my part, but I think it's a reasonable assumption.
31:39 Speaking of that scene, who else thought it was great that they quoted this in that Tales Of The Jedi episode with Dooku and Qui-Gon? I know I did.
32:51 I think Qui-Gon brought him along because he felt Anakin would be safer under his watch more than anything else. Yes, this is reckless on Qui-Gon's part, and that's the point.
Something else I noticed while reading the script: Darth Maul has way more lines in the script than he does in the movie. Just thought that was interesting to note.
41: 38 Hell yeah, man. That movie is great.
42:41 Something I think is really neat is that throughout this film, several of Padme's lines are quotes of lines by Darth Vader from A New Hope. It's a subtle but effective way of connecting these two characters, which we see more of in the next film.
43:59 Indeed, it should've.
Once again, have a great day. I'm really enjoying these videos, and I can't wait to see your stuff on Attack Of The Clone, Revenge Of The Sith, the Original Trilogy, and the Alien series.
I really appreciate this video based on the fact that I find the Half in the Bag crew to be insufferable. Have you seen the documentary The Prequels Strike Back?
No, I don't think I have seen that. I will have to check that out. The funny thing about your view of Red Letter Media is that there are tons of people who attack positive reviews of the prequels and base their arguments on such takes. I've even had them in my comments saying I don't understand writing. I don't mind being ignorant if that's the case. How's your channel going?
@@RepresentThis If these people had their way the characters would never do anything impulsive, make mistakes, or for that matter do anything remotely interesting. Why does Obi-Wan jump out a window at a floating droid, hundreds of feet in the air? Because it's cool to watch. It's fun. There seems to be a desperate need in a lot of people to make fantasy so believable that it defies scrutiny and therefore, in their minds, that makes it fully immersive. The problem with that is that it also makes everything a drag. Lucas took chances because he wanted to connect with the audience on a level that brought them joy. That requires being outlandish, taking chances, and yes, sometimes falling short. The more jaded the audience gets the more difficult that becomes so I can hardly blame Lucas for his choices both creatively and professionally. I still enjoy the hell out of the prequels because, in that crazy Flash Gordan-style world, everything is plausible enough, not because it all adds up but because there's an emotional connective tissue that resonates on an emotional level. Plinkett has it dead wrong when he says there's no human story. At its heart Star Wars is the most human story we've seen in years. I know because people are still talking about it and caring.
@@christophermoonlightproduction Well I see you are going through my videos so comment your thoughts as you go as I am interested in them. Till next time.
Best lightsaber fight is duel of the fates for sure. Second favorite is on cloud city