It feels like they intended to try to make the triggers avoidable. I really see no reason on putting a sphere trigger in a square hallway or stretching a band across the doorway
This reminds me of when I was a kid without any money to spend on new games so I just played through the same games so often I learned where enemies would spawn and how to avoid them so I could explore in peace.
God this could actually make for some kinda fun like, not a speedrun, but a low kill count run? Like see how many triggers and fights you can avoid in the entire game. A leaderboard for lowest kill count.
the trick they use on speedruns is also lowest kill. its possible to double and triple jump from the first floor until the last one, skiping most of the triggers
Its got more of a focus on psychological elements similar to silent hill. As well it has really high quality and crisp textures similar to silent hill.
@@joyboibobHe seems to have this reputation of doing characters that are not meant for him. I'm pretty sure he's the same guy who played Sully in the godawful Uncharted movie.
@@LarryTheTugaGamer1511 That's one thing about Hollywood I never could get over. They cast the same roster of people in almost everything with a big following behind it(Dungeons and Dragons, Monster Hunter, World Of Warcraft) and it just doesn't completely work like they think it should. If anything, it takes away from some of the magic. Everybody wants to recreate lightning in a bottle.
Actually Max Payne appearence is based on the developer itself: Sam Lake. I tought it was a pity they didn't choose him to play the role. Oh, and on the first Max Payne the main antagonist female Nicole is his mother...
This is so weird. In the first run, because of how the game usually works, I felt the lack of someone coming out of a door saying "Hey ya!" Or something.
I remember a few years ago when I used to practice speedruns on MP2 for hours and hours every day. Speedrunning this game uses dozens of similar skips. In particular in this mission you can become immortal through a bullet time reload event that happens at the funhouse in the mission before this one. Not to mention double and triple jumps by switching weapons when jumping, and reloading while jumping. I wasn't expecting people to still remember about this game in 2024 :')
Congrats! Also, today I released MP2 Untamed Action mod on ModDB, try it out I bet you would enjoy it. It's a difficulty mod but unlike other ones it doesn't decrease player health but uses other smart tricks, I played thru the game 10 times in two days while testing it out and it's addicting. The thing is the mod only includes the action levels from story so it's pretty intense from start to finish you see.
thanks @hevitonttu. congrats for you mod. I tried it in my fav levels and it was realy great. it was like i was playing max payne for the first time! it was challenging. Its in the list, i want to make the full walkthrought !
It could be that the sphere maybe represent distance to a trigger point as opposed to having literal vertices make up a box covering the hallway. So it’s actually not a volumetric trigger. The calculation would be |vector1| - |vector2| < distance which is pretty basic.
@@GamingDynamics That isn't how it works, it would just be a different calculation to detect entering a box volume, one that, yes, is more expensive than a radius check, but is still incredibly cheap and inconsequential in it's affect on performance.
I really wish there was a way to add npcs, Decompiling maps is sadly not an option either.. I would have created new in-game experience that I dreamed about for years. If only I can find a way! I did manage to make a MP2 mod where I somehow to add Vinnie (change model of an already exist npc with few codes) at Part 3 chapter 7 where he fight with max and mona Vlad's men at the mansion. The enemies don't see him as hostiles but he still fight them, better than nothing. I called the mod "A Path Never Was", it's on moddb. 2:01 Also, fun fact, the trigger do not spawn this npc, he already exist in the map but in his codes the "npc hide" option is on, the trigger simply toggle that option and makes the npc visible. This was done because MP2 npcs have a strong hearing sound and will run to the player's location once they hear something, the hide option keep them in place until they are visible again.
as a person who works on games in unreal engine, I am wondering why did the level designer who placed those triggers couldn't stretch them out to make them unavoidable...
That a sold game is designed this sloppy is actually just bizarre to me, I always fill the entire space so the player can't possible miss triggers and I do it as a hobby...
Oh man, SO much memories, I played the game when it was released and also I discovered the double jump thing thanks to my cheap ass computer, a 600MHZ celeron 🤦♂🤣 In some areas it was so laggy like 15 fps that in one jump I managed to swap weapons then pressed the space bar by pure reflex because I was thinking I could take fall damage and there goes Max up lol, kinda abused it in these areas 😎
Coolest game ever, I remember going bonkers as a kid seeing those graphics, the slow mo, the ragdoll physics, each bullet and case leaving the guns and being able to see them and guns not being like laser tag, the comics the narration, naked mona, playing as mona with one hand, shit like this will never ever happen again
@@LarryTheTugaGamer1511 The Max Payne 1/2 remake is not there. What are you talking about man? Remedy announced they are working on a remake of the first two games. Could you explain what you mean by calling your video the max pain remake?
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"Funny as hell , It was the most horrible thing i could think of
i was in computer game" - Max Payne
They could've done something like that as an easter egg in that last room for example.
@@JollyBotox thats good idea maybe they do in remake but im not sure about it
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I like to imagine someone accidentally playing like this and thinking it's the borest game ever
Max Schizophrenia
If you were an erratic player sure but if you just follow the map outlay you should hit every trigger
“Borest”? 😂
@@TheRealCaptainFreedom Borest Gump
As someone who used to bug test, I play games a bit weird, and I have had at least three games play like this 😅
Ah yes, a move which Max Payne learned from old partner Crash Bandicoot, double jump.
Can't believe this game is 23 years old!
this one is 21 :D
My teenage game. I was really impressed with the rag doll effect.
Dang, I'm old 👀
It feels like they intended to try to make the triggers avoidable. I really see no reason on putting a sphere trigger in a square hallway or stretching a band across the doorway
maybe for dev testing
Doubt it.
Copy paste of previous trigger, for sure.
It's more that spheres are cheaper to test for collision with than cubes.
The band, though? Yeah, no fucking clue lmao
@@AlphaGargits the opposite, so doesnt make sense
This reminds me of when I was a kid without any money to spend on new games so I just played through the same games so often I learned where enemies would spawn and how to avoid them so I could explore in peace.
I used to pirate the 💩 out of the library
@@Kryzzpu We didn't. Now I do
@@delilh325that was the only way to play games in my country for a while, well, still kinda is...
good work! I would happy to know more technical gimmics from this and other Max Payne games from you
God this could actually make for some kinda fun like, not a speedrun, but a low kill count run? Like see how many triggers and fights you can avoid in the entire game. A leaderboard for lowest kill count.
the trick they use on speedruns is also lowest kill. its possible to double and triple jump from the first floor until the last one, skiping most of the triggers
@DarkViperAU speedrun/pacifist run on Max Payne?
Why MP2 so Silent Hill'ish?! I never noticed it back then. Waiting for new vids
Its got more of a focus on psychological elements similar to silent hill.
As well it has really high quality and crisp textures similar to silent hill.
@ac-251b37-yNx id say for Max Payne 2 yes and Silent Hill 2. Im nearly sure most of Silent Hill 3s are higher than 512p due to optimisation magic.
One of my favourite childhood games! Thanks for breaking down the BTS of it and how it all works, very fascinating!
Young Bruce Willis or Mickey Rourke would have been the perfect Max Payne impersonation.
Unortunately we got Markie Mark
@@joyboibobHe seems to have this reputation of doing characters that are not meant for him. I'm pretty sure he's the same guy who played Sully in the godawful Uncharted movie.
@@LarryTheTugaGamer1511 That's one thing about Hollywood I never could get over. They cast the same roster of people in almost everything with a big following behind it(Dungeons and Dragons, Monster Hunter, World Of Warcraft) and it just doesn't completely work like they think it should. If anything, it takes away from some of the magic. Everybody wants to recreate lightning in a bottle.
Actually Max Payne appearence is based on the developer itself: Sam Lake. I tought it was a pity they didn't choose him to play the role. Oh, and on the first Max Payne the main antagonist female Nicole is his mother...
@@AzidHouse Thanks for the info man ! Nice fun fact.
It's interesting, not funny.
🤓
when I placed triggers (in the half-life mod), I even placed them above the player’s head (so that it was impossible to jump over)
This is so weird. In the first run, because of how the game usually works, I felt the lack of someone coming out of a door saying "Hey ya!" Or something.
Блин, а ведь даже случайно можно не запустить тригеры. Интересная находка
I remember a few years ago when I used to practice speedruns on MP2 for hours and hours every day. Speedrunning this game uses dozens of similar skips. In particular in this mission you can become immortal through a bullet time reload event that happens at the funhouse in the mission before this one. Not to mention double and triple jumps by switching weapons when jumping, and reloading while jumping. I wasn't expecting people to still remember about this game in 2024 :')
I think this game have more than just four triggers that you can avoid.😄
This is mildly interesting not "funny as hell" dog
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You were supposed to be the hero!
Man i forgot how cool the Max Payne games are sheesh
the coolest of the cool
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Congrats! Also, today I released MP2 Untamed Action mod on ModDB, try it out I bet you would enjoy it. It's a difficulty mod but unlike other ones it doesn't decrease player health but uses other smart tricks, I played thru the game 10 times in two days while testing it out and it's addicting. The thing is the mod only includes the action levels from story so it's pretty intense from start to finish you see.
thanks @hevitonttu. congrats for you mod. I tried it in my fav levels and it was realy great. it was like i was playing max payne for the first time! it was challenging. Its in the list, i want to make the full walkthrought !
WHY DIDNT THEY USE A BOX ON THE STAIRS TOO??
were they stupid?
we see many spheres instead of boxes in many places. I wonder if there's some computational reason
It could be that the sphere maybe represent distance to a trigger point as opposed to having literal vertices make up a box covering the hallway. So it’s actually not a volumetric trigger. The calculation would be |vector1| - |vector2| < distance which is pretty basic.
@@PalexiteThe volume triggers are not costly in any real sense at all, so it is still perplexing.
@Palexite yeah that should be the reason. cubes would imply several if's for each face
@@GamingDynamics That isn't how it works, it would just be a different calculation to detect entering a box volume, one that, yes, is more expensive than a radius check, but is still incredibly cheap and inconsequential in it's affect on performance.
The first 2 Max Payne games were gold and even though I enjoyed playing the third one it at least for me wasn't quite on the same level.
Cool, but I'd like to see the trig- nevermind. Cool, but I'd like to see what actually hap- nevermind. Guess I just have to like the video.
Max Payne 1 and 2 are the best game i ever played 🔥💪
My lord. My lord I am your long lost sister. What the hell! Bang. You all know ; )
Bro my suggestion, when you wanna show the triggers avoid showing again how to skip them. 🙏🏼
How to see those trigger lines?
dev keys + F4
@@GamingDynamics thanks!
This is not funny
It’s not supposed to be dummy
@@vivek114 Internet smartboi can't read the video title, it seems.
I can see the first inklings of Control in this footage
Crazy how the shadows and lighting are better than "modern" engines like unreal engine
They’re baked that’s why it’s not real lighting effects
@@JamieRobert_ No you are objectively incorrect; objects have actively rendered shadows along with baked shadows for static objects.
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“Funny as hell” - is it though?
The game starts up and npcs think. Hes coming wait for it!..
😂
Hi, can you explore all places from woden's manor please? There's some secret places I don't know of all , maybe you know it 🙂
it's going to be explored in the next videos, cheers
I really wish there was a way to add npcs, Decompiling maps is sadly not an option either.. I would have created new in-game experience that I dreamed about for years. If only I can find a way!
I did manage to make a MP2 mod where I somehow to add Vinnie (change model of an already exist npc with few codes) at Part 3 chapter 7 where he fight with max and mona Vlad's men at the mansion. The enemies don't see him as hostiles but he still fight them, better than nothing. I called the mod "A Path Never Was", it's on moddb.
2:01 Also, fun fact, the trigger do not spawn this npc, he already exist in the map but in his codes the "npc hide" option is on, the trigger simply toggle that option and makes the npc visible. This was done because MP2 npcs have a strong hearing sound and will run to the player's location once they hear something, the hide option keep them in place until they are visible again.
as a person who works on games in unreal engine, I am wondering why did the level designer who placed those triggers couldn't stretch them out to make them unavoidable...
That a sold game is designed this sloppy is actually just bizarre to me, I always fill the entire space so the player can't possible miss triggers and I do it as a hobby...
Very interesting!!
You should definitely try to use guns in police station , quite interesting ! You’ll be surprised
thanks for ruining the perfection of this game for me
in my first run i avoid e door explosion and i cannot continue the game, that door never opened
These graphics looks surprisingly good for a game made in 2003. BTW, why was the triggers made like this? I can think of no specific reason
I love the vibe Max Payne 1 and 2 had, too bad Rockstar made Max Payne 3 in style of GTA game.
I HATE when developers spawn enemies close to the character. Very annoying.
So Max attracted people to shoot at up because of his funny wisecracks in the end, right?
This is why when I put triggers in levels, I make it absolutely impossible to cheese past them. 😅
Класс))) Всё детство в него проиграл и не знал о таких фишках)
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So Max does not have hit boxes on his legs while enemies do? That's some unfair advantage
WOW Nice you do like behind The Scene someting script
Oh man, SO much memories, I played the game when it was released and also I discovered the double jump thing thanks to my cheap ass computer, a 600MHZ celeron 🤦♂🤣
In some areas it was so laggy like 15 fps that in one jump I managed to swap weapons then pressed the space bar by pure reflex because I was thinking I could take fall damage and there goes Max up lol, kinda abused it in these areas 😎
epic memories
Fun 🎉😎💥🎉
Make that amount of noise in real life and you ain't avoiding nothing
Coolest game ever, I remember going bonkers as a kid seeing those graphics, the slow mo, the ragdoll physics, each bullet and case leaving the guns and being able to see them and guns not being like laser tag, the comics the narration, naked mona, playing as mona with one hand, shit like this will never ever happen again
the coolest of the cool
Funny as hell
Sarcasms
Интересный разбор, спасибо.
"Man wanders through a deserted building"
And jumps around while exploring.
You can also avoid the whole game.
Yo lo instalé pero el audio está bug, no se oyen los disparos, ni los pasos :(
Min Payne.
i remember that part...sht was hard af
Poorly designed game when you think about it, these sort of things shouldn’t even happen
the only question is why. Anyway, most of these things dont happen if you dont think too much about them...
Perhaps the devs made some room for us to explore out of bounds and out of cues.
MIN (imal) PAYNE
In the final scene, they will have run out of budget. The developers put in empty, non-explosive boxes, knowing the scene would be cut anyway 😆
Should have compared with the footage that hits the triggers
Pacifist run.
Really cool
what a game
I replayed the game 1 month ago, what a blast.
This game graphics are holding well after 23 years
this is some of the funniest sh I've ever seen
Так круто смотрится.
How did you make triggers be visible?
dev keys, F4
@@GamingDynamics what is dev keys?
developer keys. they are included in your game. just search about it
This way the first time a video game was widely accepted as a form of art!
But why?
Science, my boy
This is peak content.
How do you double jump?
you super jump when you change your weapon and then jump. this works for example with desert eagle to shotgun
2:26 reminds me of marvel vs capcom 2 character select
Damn i love this game, its full of memorable enemies and others npcs like Mona Sax.
Mona isn't really an NPC, since we play as her through four chapters.
Nice!
This was funny hehehaha but also interesting. Cant wait to see more!
How did you create the grid like structures, that helps us see which areas the triggers could be at ?
developer keys
"this game empty ahh shi"
Really cool and interesting
Same esp model in god of war 2 plz
So you're the one we have to blame that now the games are 80% cutscene and 20% actual gameplay?
yea
Good & informative video 😃
This popped up in my recommendations. Pretty sure these tips will come in handy when that remaster finally comes out
Good news: It's actually a Remake!
@@LarryTheTugaGamer1511 I don't see any official trailers for it. Now I have to check the Xbox store just to find out for myself.
@@LarryTheTugaGamer1511 The Max Payne 1/2 remake is not there. What are you talking about man?
Remedy announced they are working on a remake of the first two games. Could you explain what you mean by calling your video the max pain remake?
@@Gator159 My video? Look, I was just telling you there's two remakes coming our way. If there's a remaster coming, I wasn't aware.
@@LarryTheTugaGamer1511 My mistake, all this because I missused the word remaster for remake.
I have to say, I love how thorough you were with this!
brilliant
Потом игра не будет такая забавная, но конечно, для баг-искателов это прекрасная возможность.
you can have fun twice :D
@@GamingDynamics I apologize, I thought you are a Russian speaker.
no prob, I translate it
Cannot like it: 1717 likes and 17 dislikes. Sorry :(.
You can avoid them all by not starting the game.