Small Scale Logging Tools of the Trade
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2022
- I feel like sometimes I come across things in life that I wish I knew about years before I did. One such thing is my power takeoff-driven skidding winch. Such a tool seems so simple but has changed the way I do things so much so that I'm able to work faster, safer, more efficiently and with less physical effort. Coming from a background of using nothing but hand operated winches, this skidding winch has made things a lot easier on my body and allowed me to begin enjoying challenging tasks such as the removal of trees from dense areas of a forest. On today's episode I do just that in which I pull out a tree that was cut down recently but has numerous branches hung up on adjacent trees. Without having to go to too much trouble, I use my Wallenstein FX 85 Skidding Winch to pull out the tree using a snatch block. Check out my rigging and the setup I use to get the job done. I'll also do a little bit of chainsaw work today including using a tool you'd never expect to sharpen my chainsaw. Glad you're all here today to join the fun. Here we go!
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A logging winch and a tiller are the last two things I need. I have all of the other attachments. But I'm sure once I get those last two, something else will come along that I can't live without!
That seems to be the same with me Marvin. My wallet doesn't like me some days hahah
Thanks for taking the time to go through an explain things to everyone, I know you’ve covered a lot of these items in previous videos, but I find its a good refresher / review of the products or techniques used as I may catch something new! Anyways, that was a good afternoon there, thanks for the visit! Cheers Sandy!
Andrew from NB :)
Love the grinder. One of my better investments. Great camera angles. Great tips.
Great Video Sandy, keep up the great work.
Thanks TJ
Love the saw mount..fine video as always Sandy.
Great to hear. Saved a few bucks on the mount and has worked well for years
Another great video. Thanks for all the work the goes into putting this all together.
No problem!
That winch is a total beast. Gets the job done.
Absolutely! Love it
Hi Sandy. You can not beat home-brew solutions like your saw bracket. Love it. Yes, a winch on the PTO with grapple/forks on the front. We have had Loons in the nearby lake/pond. Hearing them call out at night is so beautiful and yes, a bit eerie.
That eerie feeling is something I don't forget that's for sure. Thanks for watching Tom. Hope you're doing well
Thanks for the loon call -- definitely one of the coolest sounds in the world.
Something I didn't notice about your winch before: That blade at the foot of it that digs into the ground and keeps your tractor from being pulled instead of the thing you're trying to pull. Good feature there.
Yeah has worked well for me several times. Provides a great stop for the machine from sliding
Good morning that was an easy little task pulling the left over of the tree that is very helpfull I use a similar method but don't have a wench but I set a pull and a rope but I got to get back on the tractor and drive some but it does the job have a great day
That method would work just the same I can imagine. Whatever it takes to get the job done
Great video like always. I’m glad you take the time to explain everything your doing is very educational. In 40 years the youth of today will be watching your videos to learn how to survive. I have to get me one of them winches! I grew up on brute force and ignorance now I’m paying the price… I’m not going to tell you what to do but have a wonderful day if you want to.
I find myself using my back sometimes when I should use my head as well and I feel it the day after haha. I appreciate the well wishes in the video. Thanks Josh
Sandy your tractor and takeoff winch sure is a great rig to have maybe someday i might get one. take care and have a great weekend
Thanks for that. One of my best tools for sure
Like-a-roo! You are smart to start young getting tools that make work easier. You’ll save your back, and be able to enjoy the work well into your later years. We’re fortunate to have similar equipment as yours, Accumulated over many years. Each addition feels like a game changer. (Treat yourself to a self releasing block; you’ll love it!)
Thanks Rob. yeah those self releasers are on the "to buy" list for sure
I have always wanted one of those small log trailers with a knuckle boom to load log with but they're just too expensive. But the one hand made chainsaw holder that you made is something I will make soon thats a really good idea. Great video Sandy see on the next one.
I hear ya Jeff. Cost is a bit thing for me too with those trailers. So expensive. Glad you like the chainsaw holder
Afternoon Sandy...ahhhh the call of the loon, the true call of mother nature, so peaceful and calming. Everyone that I know always stops to listen whenever the loons call. Have a great day!
Raises the hair on my neck.
Especially eerie when they are heard at night
Back at again. Glad I'm not the only one keeping at it.love the winch n the high price chain saw holder.I'll be making a couple or three of those.lol. the forks,bucket n a grapple are a much for logs n fire wood.i never had them when I was selling 3 to 400 cords a year.just 4 chain saws ,splitter,dump truck ,elevator n a pickup.
Always something on the docket it seems
I purchased that tape n it sure works great.love to listen to the loons.
Great video! i Love how you take the time to explain everything. :)
Thanks Warren. Glad you liked the video
Good job using that winch. Yeah a self releasing snatch block, although expensive are well worth paying up for.
Yeah sure are expensive but handy. Maybe in the future
Another good show I’m gonna look up loon thanks
Thanks ! The Common Loon is a really nice bird for sure
@@sawingwithsandy It's known here in Ireland as the *Great Northern Diver*
Scientific Name: Gavin Immer
Sandy, there's an old saying: "IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!" Your system works for you, it gets the job done, and you're enjoying life in the process. THAT sounds like a pretty good recipe for success. Thank you, my friend, for sharing your pleasures with us........
I think you're right there Carl. Good for me to hear from time to time.
I’ve watched several of your videos skidding logs out of the woods and I was wondering about the details of your winch and chain setup. Looks complicated but this video simplifies a bit and makes it understandable. Thanks!
That's good to hear!
Here is Minnesota, the common loon call is summer. At least for me. It means we’re at the lake at the ice is off. Beautiful sound!
I agree with ya there Chris
Very good demonstration of a 3pt winch use Sandy. Knew that was gonna be a game changer for ya! Handy as heck eh?! If it makes you feel any better, I have and use a self release snatch often block BUT have had situations where I’ve wanted a standard pulley like yours. I will be getting one to add to the “tools”. Lol
That does make me feel better actually haha
Hi Sandy! Fandangling or not, I enjoyed it. LOL
Thanks for watching Terry!
Thanks Sandy.
I cringed a bit when I saw you using the angle grinder in the Depth Gauges. LOL.
Mike M.
hahah some days it's just a matter of saving those seconds haha
Sandy it always amazes me that you rarely wear gloves, but I did notice you had them on for the cable handling. I have a feeling that you know how much those little burrs hurt. Liking the winch, definitely a useful attachment. Take care, Mark.👍🪵🚜🇨🇦
Hey Mark! Yeah I’m not a big fan of gloves unless it’s for something like steel cable. I’ve felt the sting before with them and you probably can imagine the feeling haha
Man, I feel your pain as far as storage options for a cab tractor. I have been trying to come up with a way to mount a small/medium sized toolbox to keep common tools you always find you need out in the field but always seem to have left back at the shop. I will definitely try your chain saw mount though.
I'm the same way Roger. Wish there was an external box or something for just that purpose.
I also have a Wallenstein F85, love it, they do make a chain saw holder for it, I have one and so far it works well.
Would also like a self releasing block but can’t seem to justify the $ yet
I’m with ya there Clifford. The cost just is a bit more than I wanted to spend initially when buying the winch but may be worth it to me now
logging arch for the tail end of the log. No dragging, and fairly cheap for the size of logs you regularly deal with.
That would certainly work
Tim from Canada suggestions for you at your sawmill.. if you were to come around from the back or from the side. You would be able to put in a road that you can drive straight into your sawmill with.. in your last video I watched you were digging out sawdust from your wood mill at winter time.. if you were to make a road through the bush so you have a straight on angle to your word now this would help you out . Preparation is the best thing to do if you were to take out some trees now make it so that you can drive your tractor in and out of your wood mill it would make your job a lot easier instead of pissing around trying to dodge through trees.. stand back and look see were you can get a straight run at your Woodmill mark out your trees.. then see where you can wind your road around to link up to your existing road. This will work for everyone that has a problem getting in through the bush figure out where you are.. where are you going.. canna spray paint mark out the trees that you want to get rid of this will help you out in the long run
I agree with ya there Tim. I've got some work ahead of me improving my haul roads. Bit tight as you could see. Hope you're doing well and thanks again for watching
That things a beast
Sure is handy
Sharp chain plus Husqvarna 550 makes quick work of Red Pine!!
Absolutely! My 555 loves the rakers down
I noticed how it sunk the blade on the winch into the ground when you was pulling. When I do that I put the blade down and back up against it to sink it into the dirt that way the tractor doesn't move. But that being said I'm usually not on flat ground so I need to because I don't trust the parking brake
That is a good idea. Thanks Terry
I file my rakers the same as you out
here in Oregon .
Thanks once more Sandy for another very educational, and fun visit to Sandys forest for some cutting fun, come on Wallenstein you heard the man, he is basically selling equipment for you because it is so good to use, but how would your other equipment fare, hope you send him the gear he needs, just think every time he does his daily work, there will be your company name, he may be small at the moment but he will be huge in the future, he has what it takes to make it on you tube, just ask the rest of the subscribers he has they will tell you, most of us listen and ask him questions on equipment and what is best to use. so do what we do support him when it counts. Or any other company who thinks they have better equipment, anyone can go to a huge platform, but that is when the company finds out they are to late, yeh I know I have banged on Sandy but sick of companies going to big channels and thinking they can just throw money at them and get them to sponsor their company just wish the companies would support people when they are moving up, what do you other guys think am I wrong.
I appreciate all the support Jim
Good evening Sandy..
What a great idea for the chainsaw holder…
That just gave me a idea how I am going to make one… I have two tractors so I will make one for each one.. Thank you my friend.
As always stay safe and always be kind.
Cheers
Always happy to pass along anything I know. Thanks for watching Gus
Nice winch. I was wondering if you had one. I have the Farmi winch here in Northwest Arkansas. By the way, I don’t care what anybody tells you, the snatch block goes on the log you are pulling. The end would go on the anchor. You get a much stronger pull.
Yeah that extra snatch block sure boosts the pulling force
Great video, I would love to have your tractor setup to pull logs
Thanks for watching Larry. I am fortunate to be able to run this setup as it makes my work quite a bit easier.
Hello Sandy. Bell and knob is also called a pin choker.
I learned something new. Thanks for that
Life is good!😁✌
Absolutely!
I still use files to sharpen my saws. Find myself bringing a pack of saw tools including carb adjuster. Flat file, and round file, and chainsaw tool for quick sharpening and clean outs in the bush. I've found tank vents can get clogged quickly with oil and saw dust if the chain becomes dull. And when I'm trying to take down stumps I do hit the dirt alot.
I will be using your chainsaw mount idea on my atv. That and a home made log arch is all I have to get my logs to the mill. Takes some time, but we have to work smart so we can continue to work the next day.
BTW how can you handle this heat. The Deer flies have been relentless these past few days.
There is certainly something to be said for using hand tools and working smarter with the tools at hand. Good on ya for that!
Need an old hay wagon for behind the winch. Could use the winch to pull them up on it or load with forks
I've actually been looking for one in my area. They would be real handy for sure
Great videos. This is the guy in Killarney with the Norwood. I'm looking to buy some soft wood logs to process for buildings on my property...I also have some customer requests for things like fencing etc..., my property is mostly hardwood so thought I would check with you.
Hope your summer is going well. I likely won’t be in a position to harvest and sell any red pines anytime soon unfortunately.
No problem, thanks for the reply...happy sawing
First time I've heard the word Imperial to describe the USA way of measurement, interesting. I'm sure a good rain will even out the drag marks from dragging those logs.
Yeah I think a little rain and the dirt will be gone. Sometimes the wood chips and pine needles on the trails help a bit with keeping the logs clean for me as well
The Imperial System is also called The British Imperial because it came from the British Empire that ruled many parts of the world from the 16th to the 19th century.
Love that winch! I skid logs out often as well, I have a log arch but one at a time is slow. I'm wondering why you have stopped using the old mill? is it just cause its shiny and new? cuts better? more power? you had a great set up with the old mill.
Just getting used to the new one and thinking about the future of the old one is all
Looks like my grinder, 520 ?? Love mine...
I can’t remember off hand actually. Works great though
The bell and knob is called a choker
Thanks Bill
MM77 Approved 👍🏼👍🏼
Always happy to see that!
So, I'm sitting here thinking why don't you move the deviation point back further into the tree line to increase the length of pull of the fallen tree. Then I realise you'd be clearing branches from the track after cutting them off. Work SMART not harder, NICE!!!! Working in an office now is fuzzing my brain.
Always good to hear ideas though. Thanks for watching Aaron
Does the Oregon chain grinder also take off a bit on the depth guide as you grind the cutter tooth? I noticed you also took an angle grinder after the fact.
That's a good question. I probably could use it to take down the rakers as well on second thought
seems like all of this kind of niche gear has a huge markup on it, can get a nice milwuakee 200ft tape for 40$ canadian.. one of these 50ft logging tapes is like 150-200$, it really is no more expensive to produce even if it is higher quality its 1/4 of the size but 5x the price
16ft of grade 70 transport chain with grab hooks cheap as dirt on sale at princess auto but if you want 5ft of chain with a slip hook its triple that cost
those ranger snatch blocks reasonably priced, you want the one with the cone that auto ejects the line and its 10x the cost for whats a similar amount of material and machine if not less
try and buy some steel braided line for a winch or for making chocker loops.. youll find out pretty quick its cheaper to just buy a whole winch on sale and steel 20ft of line off of it
Yeah seems like depending on the item sure can be pricey
When pulling vehicles from roadside crashes often the best (and sometimes only) way to get them out is exactly opposite of the way that they went in. Seems to me that pulling logs is similar.
Yeah I agree. In one way and out the same works well
I know what a loon sounds like. There are loons on the lakes in northern Minnesota.
Great to hear eh
👍
Hope you’re doing well Tim!
I still think you should have gone for a foresttrailer with a crane. Mostly "small" logs and a forestfloor smooth and nice as any lawn 😉😁.
I'd like one of those at some point for sure. The winch Is handy to get logs out of places I can't drive to
@@sawingwithsandy
That's why one can put a hydraulic winch on the crane. Just for reference: Kranman T5000EX. It's expensive for it's size, over here more suitable for hobby-use is Kellfri, Farma, Forest, Trejon and such.
Thank you for the videos, allways nice when they appear 👍🏼😁!
Sandy, Are you going to the Paul Bunyan show in Ohio in October? It would be cool to meet you. Largest lumber/timber show in America. It is also a huge turnout for TH-camrs like yourself. Hear me out before you answer. I have a proposal for you.
Great question. I am aware of the show but not too familiar with it. You've got me thinking now though. I'll look into it for sure. Feel free to pass along an email to me sawingwithsandy@gmail.com
A dumb question what do you do with the small limbs you trim off the log? Leave them in the forest?
It's not a dumb question. I typically leave the limbs behind and over time they decompose and in the mean time provide habitat for critters. Sometimes I"ll run them through a wood chipper to put on my trails
Do you have to replant the trees you cut down?
What length of bar do you use and is it the right size for what you do?
I run a 20" and it balances the saw really well I find
Hey Sandy, Trying to locate the self releasing snatch block I saw you use a while back. Do you have a name or URL I can look to buy one?
Hey Sandy, I’m back after a month or two offline. So, more questions and comments again soon, eh. :)
Great to have ya back Toby!
Let me ask a favor....rip some red pine on your tablesaw; the ending dimension is equal to metal log stop posts on your sawmill. My bet is the pine log stop will work just fine!
Can’t hurt that’s for sure
Do you chip all those branches or leave them in the woods whole?
Sometimes I do both
You would still need to go collect the self-release snatch afterward if that makes you feel any better :). Also, I think your tractor will need to be strapped to a large tree to keep it from skidding long before the wallenstein can't handle something. Thanks for the video.
I like the way you think! Now I do feel a bit better about that one haha
I was watching you transfer that log from the forks to the mill, and I thought “An overhead trolley hoist with tongs you make that easier”. But then again, I am kinda lazy. . .
That would be kind of handy
@@sawingwithsandy I am so cribbing off your sawmill shed build it isn’t even funny! I just wrote up a *projected* list of lumber I have to cut for the build, and I will (the next rainy day when outside activities are curtailed) making it into a spreadsheet because my penmanship is, well, “sub-optimal”. I wish they still sold nails by the keg. . . Anywho, I plan to set my floor joists (full-dimensional 2x6s) on 12” centers, wondering if 10” centers would give better support, but having only 8” to swing a hammer between them would be a RPITA. I could use a palm nailer but then I would need to bring a generator and compressor up to the site. Decisions, decisions. . .
Your older mill is going to get jealous if you don't use it every once in a while.
haha ins't that the truth
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Thanks Tony!
It's a logging choker
Probably one of those things where they are called different things depending on where about's in the world you are I'd imagine. Hope you enjoyed the video and thanks for coming along
Wallenstein is a german warlord...
Is that right eh. Never knew that one. It's also a town name here in Ontario Canada
@@sawingwithsandy, sandy its corectly...
Please Sandy, no fandangling. There are children watching. 😱
Thanks for watching Bob
YOU ARE WRONG LOONS CAN NOT FLY
Is that the only shirt you have. Send me your address and I will send you some. 🤣
haha pretty much the only one