@@rahn45 That's the kind of stuff that always sticks in my brain. Stuff like a GI Joe and thundercats and so many more that were primarily coming out of either Japan or somewhere in the east. I keep saying anime has been here a long time it was hiding just below the surface.
All the places I ever wanted to work for as a concept artist/character designer are crumbling to pieces. Being an indie animator/ working for indie studios seems like such a good idea.
Honestly same. It’s so sad how the places that were sought after for jobs (Disney/Pixar, Dreamworks, etc.) are laying ppl off bc of how ridiculously expensive LA is (I can attest to this as I live next to LA lol). As a fellow aspiring storyboard artist, good luck!
Indies have their own problems based on their reach and their limitations, but indies also cannot afford to screw around. They need to make a name for themselves and not destroy themselves. So they won't resort to these stupid behaviors in most cases. I'd rather that than the alternative.
@@MorfsProwerTrue, at the same time the platform we exist on is being slowly and surely being destroyed internally. I’m not sure if we will ever have a site that will hosts indies like these ever again.
@@MorfsPrower One big problem I have noticed in indie animation is none of them want to create wide-appeal animation. All of them want to create the stuff studios would never make. Hazzbin, Helluza, MetaRunners. Not knocking any of those shows. But their appeal is ultimately going to be limited to a nitch audience.
This is a guess by a New York guy. Atlanta, Georgia may get something. It’s already been used to film some union filming locations so it is possible. But without the same infrastructure created in NYC and Hollywood, it may not happen.
I read about this on the Cartoon Brew blog. As I said in a previous video, we're going to see more animation studios outsource their actual animation to firms based overseas- like they did back in the 80s & 90s.
@@roberttorres9360 It wasn't just DiC who did this. Hanna-Barbera in the 80s, Marvel Productions, & even WB Animation in the 1990s outsourced a lot of their animation to overseas companies.
The animators lose their jobs but more than likely trash writers are gonna stay employed guaranteed. I doubt we’re gonna get anything as good as Puss In Boots: TLW for a long time.
@@ryanmatthews3609 Overly high business taxes, skyrocketing costs of living, constant implementation of policies that do nothing to help. Yeah, California is that bad.
@@ryanmatthews3609the taxes here alone are so absurd as to why people keep trying to move their businesses to. You have to be a madman to not notice other states has cities that are decent for residents, cheaper housing and tax companies less than California, oh and has less bs hiring requirements.
Out of all the other animation studios, I thought they were doing pretty good... Just look at what they did for that Puss and Boots Last Wish movie did, it was amazing... And their other movies did bring them quite a bit of profit as well.... So it makes even less sense to me as to why they would cut it.... If anything should be cut it should be the writers, as the DreamWorks animators have proven themselves to be quite talented.
It reminds me of when Disney shut down their feature length 2D animation studio after only a *few* failures after years of successful animated classics. The animators that used to work there since The Fox and The Hound where very talented. It's just that movies like Atlantis and Treasure Planet suffered from minimal ads and being pitted against Harry Potter, and Home on the Range did not come out very good, I've heard.
PiB The Last Wish worked largely because it was a well written story with good characters. Shrek leans too heavily on being the pop culture anti-Disney joke. There's plenty of material there, to be sure, but it ties Shrek movies too heavily to Current Day nonsense, and that doesn't always work out.
Cost of living gone up, so cost of employees goes up, but then that can't be paid? So where all this printed money go? Government sucked it back up and threw it at other countries? Someone else hording it?
Well, if the entertainment industry made better quality content that people want to see, this may not be a problem however, the corporate takeover is the other problem.
Remember High Guardian Spice? That's like the 'best of the best' in the industry in Current Year. There's just so many insane animated sequences done by Asian animation studios, and only a handful of stuff done by western ones that even approaches what's seen there. Yeah it's horrible that they are paid horribly and overworked, but that's the reality: You get like triple the quality for half the price than hiring on western animators.
Ruby Gillman bombed because they didn't properly advertise it, plus the trailer pretty much gave away the entire film. I kind of wish the kept the original plot, but tweaked it a little.
Maybe a live action remake can make it better with Chelsea and Nerissa being two separate persons. So that the live action remake can differentiate from the original movie
I may get some flak but a part of me feels bad for those animators who didn’t want to rock the boat and just wanted to do the job. But at the same time, it goes to show that animation is a medium that can go global very easily. I mean just look at the One Piece anime. We had a non Japanese individual direct an episode of the anime( kid and law vs big mom) alongside animators from outside Japan. These folks need to realize that they are not the only game in town. Animated films, while very difficult to make, you can do voice over work and have a majority of the animation process take place overseas.
That’s why I always say unions are bad although I’m not American and it benefits me. These urbanites just can’t see the forest before the trees and it’s always the low skilled labour in first world countries that have to pay for their craptivism.
Depsite popular belief California isnt a communist nation (yet) ,and you cant force companies to give you a job ,its no different then self serve kiosks when fast food workers got their goverment mandated raises
While I get where Kneon is coming from with saying that the show runners and animators should be like Vivziepop and do their own thing, I think something that needs to be acknowledged is that Vivziepop already had a large audience that she had built up during her Zoophoba days long before Hazbin Hotel came out, she also brought on people who had audiences (while smaller but still had audiences that they built). It's also worth pointing out that for every Hazbin Hotel or Lackadaisy or what have you, there will always be at least ten Wild Card (an indie animated mystery show that never came to be). So, anyone who might be interested in jumping into indie animation or having their stuff picked up by some larger corporation might want to start by building their audiences first before just jumping in blindly and hoping for the best.
I can confirm especially in game industry. I've been recently getting NDA contract offers from AAA companies and studios through the freelance agency I work with. One of the artists I team up with got hired by Netflix with her studio to do a gig as well. It's anecdotal sure, cause NDA means I can't disclose certain things. But I can say they are in California and I can say the state laws there makes it hard to keep freelancers in state on the same project so it is easier to outsource to other states and countries.
Can't say I'm surprised. Their last movie, Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken was a massive box office bomb, which is a shame because before it, Puss n' Boots: The Last Wish knocked it out of the park. Whether it was because of bad marketing or mediocre quality, someone dropped the ball hard there.
@@finned958 Well you can make Billion $ Animation movies(for half the privce) in the communist hellhole called france, with 100 days of strike and smoke break every hour...
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We just left at HHN :Hollywood area is definitely struggling multiple empty units for sale/rent no one in fine dining restaurants as we walked by and fast causal places busy ect. Also HHN was oversold and very crowded but as soon as we left Universal it was a dystopian feeling like a ghost town.
The only thing keeping me from opening my own animation studio on the east coast of the US is experience. As soon as i get more confidence in my skills and a bigger following, i'm opening a studio in my hometiwn, sourcing talent locally, and pushing and supporting every aspiring animator, artist, writer, filmmaker and actor to build up in their hometown, source locally, and never sell their company.
Puss n' Boots: The Last Wish was actually a GREAT movie they released last Christmas, and it did well financially too. I recommend it if you haven't seen it. Unfortunately, Dreamworks' next release was that "Teenage Kraken" film that flopped BADLY during the summer and lost a lot of money.
Are you joking? Outside the early summer flop of Ruby Gillman, Puss In Boots: The Last Wish was in theaters the same time as Avatar 2, and took some of the spotlight off of Avatar. It was an all-around better film, with near-perfect villains, and it made a good profit. They've been doing well enough that Ruby Gillman landing with a thud was a bit shocking, really. They're currently working on big budget sequels to How To Train Your Dragon and Kung Fu Panda.
@@mattdamutt5681 in dreamworks defense, everything but Barbie and Mario fucking failed at the box office. even Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible did terrible.
@garyballard179 Honestly, they need to pour their efforts into creating new IPs. How to Train Your Dragon and Kung Fu Panda are great trilogies and they had perfect closing third acts that don't need to be soured and ruined with a fourth trying but failing to recapture the magic (like Toy Story 4). What they should do is gather all their internally highly regarded creatives, split them into three teams, and let them brainstorm ideas and come up with a proposal or two each, and the executives pick the top two best ideas and greenlight them, funneling a majority of their resources to getting those developed and out the door to make profit while keeping the other ideas in reserve.
The chronic condition of denying reality and saying that the truth is hurtful and and hateful has to be the most on the nose statement ever. I don't know how often I've tried that myself with the same exact pushback. People just don't want to hear it they would rather just have reality slap them across the face apparently.
Shrek 2 and Puss in Boots the last wish are the core films that brought their magic towards their respected fans. (excited for Kung Fu Panda 4) While Disney magic is turning to shit/crappy dust instead of pixie dust 😅
Technology has arrived, much of this work is redundant, and why do you need a bunch of people in one of the most expensive cities in the world? Keep the creative core and Key folks...and send the Lift heavy for other people...90% animation is made in Asia, they know how to use blend...why do you pay $50h in a billion dollars office? It's just dumb
I fully anticipate a social media clause being introduced into contracts with people moving forward. That's the only way studios are going to spare themselves bad PR in the future. Either they'll be barred entirely from talking about whatever show, movie or game they're working on or writers, actors, animators, producers and showrunners have to have whatever they're about to screened by HR and the legal department. Pretty much have Big Brother on their back.
I don't know why they didn't do that years ago. Most countries employees cannot blab their opinions/politics all over their private social media account whilst prominently having "I work for (insert famous company here)" in their bio. They can say what they want but they can't use the company name to do it. In the US they do that 'here's who I work/ed for - my opinions are my own'. Nope. When you prominently name a company along with your opinion you've associated that company with that opinion and you know it.
It sounds like the people who don't know how to build things, and the people who only know how to cut costs are now running American Industry. Question: who is going to buy things from American Industry, if the majority of Americans are unemployed?
Is DreamWorks proper even a film studio anymore. It used yo to be split from a Live Action studio and then had the animation division. This was Spielberg's main vehicle for Amblin for a long time. I just noticed recently that i haven't seen that logo pop up in any movie in a very long time.
It’s nearly impossible to make it as a creative in any facet of the entertainment industry. All of these entities are run by corporations whose top brass probably never consumes this crap and and only perceives it in terms of brand recognition. They’re too risk averse to take a chance of a crazy idea. Imagine if some hairy New Zealand eccentric who specialized in cartoonishly gory horror films comes to a studio with the idea to adapt a voluminous fantasy epic held dear to only fans for decades nowadays. You think it will happen?
Not as likely because these studios are not creative-leader driven anymore. The person who's responsible for the DreamWorks outsourcing move used to be a consultant and not a creative. All he's done is cut jobs.
Ai still can not replace in between ears. In between sis very complex. I was COO of Cacani, and while it may be possible eventually, not quite at the moment
Animators lives are basically: overworked, underpaid, then you get layoffed, unemployed The studio they worked for: outsourcing so they only have to pay scraps for normally “expensive” movies.
You may as well re-direct your degree to something more useful now, like plumbing or electrical or HVAC. You will get honest-to-god more pay and it's a growing desperation for workers in those fields.
maybe aim for behind the scenes roles like in production etc. That's what my cousin did and he makes way more than animators do. Either that or go into finding a comfy office job and do art on the side.
@@ryanmatthews3609it’s not common Most of them are just flash and 3d rather than traditional. Most traditional animation shows for US studios are outsourced from other countries.
Dreamworks really made a biggest mistake planning a How To Train Your Dragon live action movie. They should’ve never taken a page from Disney’s book, but instead they made themselves look stupid for trying to turn things around. So much for Dreamworks being called so-called “rivals” when it comes to animation
Not too bright of them considering how the live action remakes from Disney have been tanking. How can they even call a cgi animated movie live action anyway, or have they found some real dragons for those parts?
Japan is getting hit in the animation department too. There are more vtubers than animators apparently. Stack that with the recent doxxing law that was passed where Japanese Creators have their information legally accessible to the public. It's crazy
Thats not the issue.. it’s taxing people and litearlly keeping people down.. either way it’s not good.. because its trying to suppress independant artist/ creators . Businesses.. so the animation industry is not doing well. .. that htey have to do that.. outsourcing is never a good sign ether.. but vtubing they get to make SOOO much money compared to animators. And it’s just showing you the type of content is shifting.. it’s why streaming. Irl is so popular..
@@npcimknot958 i think they'd rather be taxed than doxxed there are unhinged ppl just like the kyoani arsonist. There can definitely be multiple issues I just listed one of the recent ones. A lot of these mangaka work from home with their family/children around.
@npcimknot958 I don't know what is going on. Are these new laws only hurting small time people that one to keep their identity hidden. Or are the companies like what China is doing when buying out huge production companies in Japan also being affected. Because there are a lot of manageable artists just wanting to be left alone but still sell their stories. But them China is getting in the Manga game trying to profit and muscle out the smaller companies.
If you keep making a product that fails, you’ll eventually be out of a job However, it’s probably less of the animators fault and more of the writers/directors fault.
I like DreamWorks Animation, though not producing films in-house at their Glendale, California campus doesn't seem right. They say they'll rely more heavily on outside studios after 2024, but that means they will still do some in-house in Glendale.
In light of this news, I have to wonder if DreamWorks opensourcing their engine a few months ago was done in an attempt to increase the pool of people familiar with their tools so they had a better hiring pool in cheaper locations.
But then how are the new generation of animators are suppose tonstand out fron the trash when before they even get a chance to shine all those chances are sent to other countries?
Oh shit, can you use AI to do in between animation? I might have to look into that. I like figuring out what key frames to use but I'm not always the best at inbetween
A few people have mentioned that but I'd never even heard of it. I believe it's on Netflix now but I don't know if it's on where I am and I'm not going to look after reading its premise.
No one likes being told that everything they're working towards is destined to collapse before they even get there. Not only does it seem to invalidate years of their life choices, but it also strikes the fear of God into everything else they do. Lines like "Don't quit your day job" or "Always have a backup plan" either fall on deaf ears or get swiftly deflected. "Well, I could slave away at my job for 26 hours a day and STILL get replaced with a robot, so why even try anymore?" They're desperately chasing a cushy high-rank job because, in 20 years or so, there will be no other jobs to chase.
Exactly! Remind me same thing looks what happened they're came out rip off Direct-video Disney as classic 2d animation was crazy cheaper in late 90s been around over always decade ago.
I’m fucking sorry for all those 70 people who now won’t have any job to pay their bills. At least, Sony Imageworks is not a less than ideal partner for DWA for many Sony Animation movies have happened to be written, designed and storyboarded by the same people credited on many DWA favorites. On top of it, both DWA and Imageworks have also made visually fantastic movies such as the Spiderverse saga, The Bad Guys, The Mitchells and the Machines and Puss in Boots’ Last Wish. Plus, while they were still with Paramount, DWA even considered to partner with Sony to distribute their movies before they settled on Fox. All in all, this news make me concerned over what can this new partnership give us.
Anybody remember those series called the penguins of madagascar and kung fu panda legends of awesomeness and all hail king julien exlied from back in the day all the animation those Shows wasnt not very good and low budget animation also?
Like I, ClownfishTV, and others have said; it seems like all these strikes and whatnot was just an very good excuse to cut unneeded fat and and get rid of problematic people that's been a thorn in these companies' asses for far too long. I don't care how they try to cope and/or twist it for the public.
Kneon: I just stick around to piss them off... >~< "I am the fly in your ointment... I am the curdled creme in your coffee... I am Darkwing Duck!... oooops, wrong IP. 0~o
By doing this, DreamWorks is just going to drive themselves out of business. Animators are getting tired of being treated as 'expensive non-necessities' by DreamWorks and others. Once you pisss them off... you're done. No one will want to work for you anymore.
Dreamworks shouldn't be outsourcing to other countries, agreed. But they need to move their base to another state and keep the current animation team. That'd cut the costs massively, considering it's getting too expensive in California now.
This isn’t good.. boom of animations..? Sure.. but notice the kinda boom.. its just produce as much as possible.. by ourstourcing.. it also just confirmed they want quantity not quality.. its not a good sign.. and its not a sign they’re “ un working themselves’… if anything its saying animation and stuff isn not even art at this point. It’s not a good sign.. same with anime.. if there is too much, that is a aa really bad sign. - it means everything is rushing.. quantity over quality.. Lessening the amount of stuff is a good sign - quality over quantity.. those suits and snobby artist have ruined everything.
Thing is. 80's cartoons are still better then most modern Western cartoons.
The ironic thing is that quite a few of the 80's cartoons were animated overseas...
@@rahn45 Actually He-man wasn't. That's why it used repeat animation cells alot.
don't forget the 90"s, 2000"s and early 2010"s.
@@rathraven1313Wrong, just because it might have reused a few things doesn't make it bad
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That's the kind of stuff that always sticks in my brain.
Stuff like a GI Joe and thundercats and so many more that were primarily coming out of either Japan or somewhere in the east. I keep saying anime has been here a long time it was hiding just below the surface.
Keep the animators. Ditch the scriptwriters and 'producers'.
can't got to go bottom-up on the firings
Yes.
sure that's a good idea?
Fire anyone with a Tumblr account.
The animators cost to much
All the places I ever wanted to work for as a concept artist/character designer are crumbling to pieces. Being an indie animator/ working for indie studios seems like such a good idea.
Honestly same. It’s so sad how the places that were sought after for jobs (Disney/Pixar, Dreamworks, etc.) are laying ppl off bc of how ridiculously expensive LA is (I can attest to this as I live next to LA lol). As a fellow aspiring storyboard artist, good luck!
Indies have their own problems based on their reach and their limitations, but indies also cannot afford to screw around. They need to make a name for themselves and not destroy themselves. So they won't resort to these stupid behaviors in most cases. I'd rather that than the alternative.
@@MorfsProwerTrue, at the same time the platform we exist on is being slowly and surely being destroyed internally. I’m not sure if we will ever have a site that will hosts indies like these ever again.
@@Animagic Thanks, same to you!
@@MorfsPrower One big problem I have noticed in indie animation is none of them want to create wide-appeal animation. All of them want to create the stuff studios would never make. Hazzbin, Helluza, MetaRunners. Not knocking any of those shows. But their appeal is ultimately going to be limited to a nitch audience.
I just wish there were more animation studios in the South. People outside of California should get some more opportunities.
I agree. We do need more studios in the south.
This is a guess by a New York guy. Atlanta, Georgia may get something. It’s already been used to film some union filming locations so it is possible. But without the same infrastructure created in NYC and Hollywood, it may not happen.
It would be way cheaper to get land and labor in any other State, and some have a similar level of venture capital as well.
@@mmecharlotte Ah yes, in the Seattle Craigslist, clever people put New Mexico property - $1500 for an acre!
Problem is the studios being in democrat voters that eventually destroy the state theyre in.
I read about this on the Cartoon Brew blog.
As I said in a previous video, we're going to see more animation studios outsource their actual animation to firms based overseas- like they did back in the 80s & 90s.
DIC
@@roberttorres9360 It wasn't just DiC who did this. Hanna-Barbera in the 80s, Marvel Productions, & even WB Animation in the 1990s outsourced a lot of their animation to overseas companies.
The animators lose their jobs but more than likely trash writers are gonna stay employed guaranteed.
I doubt we’re gonna get anything as good as Puss In Boots: TLW for a long time.
Maybe animators should go on strike.
@@Oscar_Barajas i would support that strike ngl
@@Oscar_Barajasbut they have to unionize before that happens
Boycott live action remakes from Disney and Netflix if you really care about animation
Get out of California. It’s cheaper to find labor outside of that state.
California isn't that bad right? well minus hollywood.
@@ryanmatthews3609 Overly high business taxes, skyrocketing costs of living, constant implementation of policies that do nothing to help. Yeah, California is that bad.
@@Lorekeeper72 seriously you sure?
@@mmecharlotte how is Detroit doing anyway?
@@ryanmatthews3609the taxes here alone are so absurd as to why people keep trying to move their businesses to. You have to be a madman to not notice other states has cities that are decent for residents, cheaper housing and tax companies less than California, oh and has less bs hiring requirements.
Out of all the other animation studios, I thought they were doing pretty good... Just look at what they did for that Puss and Boots Last Wish movie did, it was amazing... And their other movies did bring them quite a bit of profit as well.... So it makes even less sense to me as to why they would cut it....
If anything should be cut it should be the writers, as the DreamWorks animators have proven themselves to be quite talented.
It reminds me of when Disney shut down their feature length 2D animation studio after only a *few* failures after years of successful animated classics. The animators that used to work there since The Fox and The Hound where very talented. It's just that movies like Atlantis and Treasure Planet suffered from minimal ads and being pitted against Harry Potter, and Home on the Range did not come out very good, I've heard.
“Twitter is pissed.”
Must be a day that ends in y.
Nooo we need the team who worked on Puss in Boots 2 to make *Shrek 5: The Final Swampdown* the masterpiece it was destined to be
don't worry, kung fu panda 4 will be directed from the writers on boss baby and shrek 5 will be from trolls
Sadly, you might have to cut your losses and move onto other things. Dreamworks isn’t the savior we were hopping they would be.
PiB The Last Wish worked largely because it was a well written story with good characters. Shrek leans too heavily on being the pop culture anti-Disney joke. There's plenty of material there, to be sure, but it ties Shrek movies too heavily to Current Day nonsense, and that doesn't always work out.
Cost of living gone up, so cost of employees goes up, but then that can't be paid? So where all this printed money go? Government sucked it back up and threw it at other countries? Someone else hording it?
Well, if the entertainment industry made better quality content that people want to see, this may not be a problem however, the corporate takeover is the other problem.
Remember High Guardian Spice? That's like the 'best of the best' in the industry in Current Year.
There's just so many insane animated sequences done by Asian animation studios, and only a handful of stuff done by western ones that even approaches what's seen there.
Yeah it's horrible that they are paid horribly and overworked, but that's the reality: You get like triple the quality for half the price than hiring on western animators.
High Guardian Spice was made by people who don't understand what makes animation work.
@@bryana.escaleralopez It was all women except for the creator who claimed to be a woman.
@@rathraven1313 its the opposite for the creator
The clerks cartoon had that pretty good joke about outsourcing and that was over 20 years ago
Do California community colleges still offer coding classes?
The animators have no control over the script. This isn't the Hollywood I wanted destroyed.
However, if on social media too much and negative...
Ruby Gillman bombed because they didn't properly advertise it, plus the trailer pretty much gave away the entire film. I kind of wish the kept the original plot, but tweaked it a little.
Maybe a live action remake can make it better with Chelsea and Nerissa being two separate persons.
So that the live action remake can differentiate from the original movie
@@joshuasebsebe1047 Eh, I'd rather get a sequel that retcons Chelsea and Nerissa as two separate characters than get a live action remake.
Walt Disney Animation Studios, Pixar, and Laika are now the only American animation studios that do not outsource their animation
I may get some flak but a part of me feels bad for those animators who didn’t want to rock the boat and just wanted to do the job. But at the same time, it goes to show that animation is a medium that can go global very easily. I mean just look at the One Piece anime. We had a non Japanese individual direct an episode of the anime( kid and law vs big mom) alongside animators from outside Japan. These folks need to realize that they are not the only game in town. Animated films, while very difficult to make, you can do voice over work and have a majority of the animation process take place overseas.
The foreigner directing the episode was directly because of ESG investments into toei animation. It wasn't the best, and it was as they say. "Quality"
That’s why I always say unions are bad although I’m not American and it benefits me.
These urbanites just can’t see the forest before the trees and it’s always the low skilled labour in first world countries that have to pay for their craptivism.
Depsite popular belief California isnt a communist nation (yet) ,and you cant force companies to give you a job ,its no different then self serve kiosks when fast food workers got their goverment mandated raises
While I get where Kneon is coming from with saying that the show runners and animators should be like Vivziepop and do their own thing, I think something that needs to be acknowledged is that Vivziepop already had a large audience that she had built up during her Zoophoba days long before Hazbin Hotel came out, she also brought on people who had audiences (while smaller but still had audiences that they built).
It's also worth pointing out that for every Hazbin Hotel or Lackadaisy or what have you, there will always be at least ten Wild Card (an indie animated mystery show that never came to be). So, anyone who might be interested in jumping into indie animation or having their stuff picked up by some larger corporation might want to start by building their audiences first before just jumping in blindly and hoping for the best.
Yeah there are decent cartoon pilots that haven't been picked up.
I think a good way to build an audience for an Indie project would be Newgrounds, the original home for internet dwellers to make their own art.
I can confirm especially in game industry. I've been recently getting NDA contract offers from AAA companies and studios through the freelance agency I work with. One of the artists I team up with got hired by Netflix with her studio to do a gig as well. It's anecdotal sure, cause NDA means I can't disclose certain things. But I can say they are in California and I can say the state laws there makes it hard to keep freelancers in state on the same project so it is easier to outsource to other states and countries.
Can't say I'm surprised. Their last movie, Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken was a massive box office bomb, which is a shame because before it, Puss n' Boots: The Last Wish knocked it out of the park.
Whether it was because of bad marketing or mediocre quality, someone dropped the ball hard there.
Disney’s Pixar lost money for all their releases. They can’t keep making $200 million animated movies. They can’t break $1 Billion either.
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What Disney/Pixar does has no bearing on DreamWorks.
@@finned958 Well you can make Billion $ Animation movies(for half the privce) in the communist hellhole called france, with 100 days of strike and smoke break every hour...
Honestly it looked like a decent drama but the art style was pretty ugly
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We just left at HHN :Hollywood area is definitely struggling multiple empty units for sale/rent no one in fine dining restaurants as we walked by and fast causal places busy ect. Also HHN was oversold and very crowded but as soon as we left Universal it was a dystopian feeling like a ghost town.
The only thing keeping me from opening my own animation studio on the east coast of the US is experience. As soon as i get more confidence in my skills and a bigger following, i'm opening a studio in my hometiwn, sourcing talent locally, and pushing and supporting every aspiring animator, artist, writer, filmmaker and actor to build up in their hometown, source locally, and never sell their company.
Until their family gets greedy and sells anyways because the family does not want to take over or are looking only at dollarsigns.
I honestly didn't know Dreamworks was still in a good position. Have they made any notable movies recently?
puss in boots sequel that was good last year, nothing good since
Puss n' Boots: The Last Wish was actually a GREAT movie they released last Christmas, and it did well financially too. I recommend it if you haven't seen it. Unfortunately, Dreamworks' next release was that "Teenage Kraken" film that flopped BADLY during the summer and lost a lot of money.
Are you joking?
Outside the early summer flop of Ruby Gillman, Puss In Boots: The Last Wish was in theaters the same time as Avatar 2, and took some of the spotlight off of Avatar. It was an all-around better film, with near-perfect villains, and it made a good profit. They've been doing well enough that Ruby Gillman landing with a thud was a bit shocking, really.
They're currently working on big budget sequels to How To Train Your Dragon and Kung Fu Panda.
@@mattdamutt5681 in dreamworks defense, everything but Barbie and Mario fucking failed at the box office. even Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible did terrible.
@garyballard179 Honestly, they need to pour their efforts into creating new IPs. How to Train Your Dragon and Kung Fu Panda are great trilogies and they had perfect closing third acts that don't need to be soured and ruined with a fourth trying but failing to recapture the magic (like Toy Story 4).
What they should do is gather all their internally highly regarded creatives, split them into three teams, and let them brainstorm ideas and come up with a proposal or two each, and the executives pick the top two best ideas and greenlight them, funneling a majority of their resources to getting those developed and out the door to make profit while keeping the other ideas in reserve.
I wonder if Disney is a bigger company then DreamWorks is??
The chronic condition of denying reality and saying that the truth is hurtful and and hateful has to be the most on the nose statement ever.
I don't know how often I've tried that myself with the same exact pushback. People just don't want to hear it they would rather just have reality slap them across the face apparently.
Shrek 2 and Puss in Boots the last wish are the core films that brought their magic towards their respected fans. (excited for Kung Fu Panda 4) While Disney magic is turning to shit/crappy dust instead of pixie dust 😅
Technology has arrived, much of this work is redundant, and why do you need a bunch of people in one of the most expensive cities in the world? Keep the creative core and Key folks...and send the Lift heavy for other people...90% animation is made in Asia, they know how to use blend...why do you pay $50h in a billion dollars office? It's just dumb
Noooooo not dreamWorks WHY😢😭
I fully anticipate a social media clause being introduced into contracts with people moving forward. That's the only way studios are going to spare themselves bad PR in the future.
Either they'll be barred entirely from talking about whatever show, movie or game they're working on or writers, actors, animators, producers and showrunners have to have whatever they're about to screened by HR and the legal department. Pretty much have Big Brother on their back.
I don't know why they didn't do that years ago. Most countries employees cannot blab their opinions/politics all over their private social media account whilst prominently having "I work for (insert famous company here)" in their bio. They can say what they want but they can't use the company name to do it. In the US they do that 'here's who I work/ed for - my opinions are my own'. Nope. When you prominently name a company along with your opinion you've associated that company with that opinion and you know it.
Remember when manufacturing got shipped off to where it was cheaper? Something Something learn to code.
It sounds like the people who don't know how to build things, and the people who only know how to cut costs are now running American Industry.
Question: who is going to buy things from American Industry, if the majority of Americans are unemployed?
Welcome to neoliberal capitalism.
Dreamworks is turning into Nightmareworks.
Is DreamWorks proper even a film studio anymore. It used yo to be split from a Live Action studio and then had the animation division. This was Spielberg's main vehicle for Amblin for a long time. I just noticed recently that i haven't seen that logo pop up in any movie in a very long time.
Ruby Gillman did sadly bomb but the movie was cute and fairly solid. 😊
I've been blasted and even banned from places because I told people that AI art and so on isn't going away. Shame.
This was inevitable, you can only massively overpay for utter crap before you die from the toxicity.
It’s crazy how companies are having layoffs and using cheap labor oversees but still increasing their prices. Like what?
Without publicity a terrible thing happens: nothing.
PT Barnum.
It’s nearly impossible to make it as a creative in any facet of the entertainment industry. All of these entities are run by corporations whose top brass probably never consumes this crap and and only perceives it in terms of brand recognition. They’re too risk averse to take a chance of a crazy idea. Imagine if some hairy New Zealand eccentric who specialized in cartoonishly gory horror films comes to a studio with the idea to adapt a voluminous fantasy epic held dear to only fans for decades nowadays. You think it will happen?
Not as likely because these studios are not creative-leader driven anymore. The person who's responsible for the DreamWorks outsourcing move used to be a consultant and not a creative. All he's done is cut jobs.
Ai still can not replace in between ears. In between sis very complex. I was COO of Cacani, and while it may be possible eventually, not quite at the moment
Since you mentioned comics I recently found a manga about superman getting hooked on food from Japan. Its not that bad to be honest
Animators lives are basically: overworked, underpaid, then you get layoffed, unemployed
The studio they worked for: outsourcing so they only have to pay scraps for normally “expensive” movies.
Shrek is love. Shrek is life. Not wokeness.
Let's hope not.
For now
Hey Guys, hope you see this, request. What are the chances of getting your Dismal merch in a black hoodie or a long sleeve tee version?
"Boy,that escalated quickly. I mean,that got out of hand really fast!"
- Ron Burgundy -
'Anchorman'
If your artistic and creative.. and you believe you have enormous talent .. Don't work a corporate job..
Your, just a number.. Nothing special..
I’m praying the animation industry doesn’t pop by the time I get out of college for 3D animation
You may as well re-direct your degree to something more useful now, like plumbing or electrical or HVAC. You will get honest-to-god more pay and it's a growing desperation for workers in those fields.
isn't there a college for 2d animation?
maybe aim for behind the scenes roles like in production etc. That's what my cousin did and he makes way more than animators do. Either that or go into finding a comfy office job and do art on the side.
@@ryanmatthews3609it’s not common
Most of them are just flash and 3d rather than traditional.
Most traditional animation shows for US studios are outsourced from other countries.
@@thegiftedfire3470 screw that! there should be a college for 2d animation!
Unsurprising given the demand for quality and the little to no supply in the big name studios.
Dreamworks are no better than Disney. They will make a live action How To Train Your Dragon.
If I remember right they’re also gonna race-swap Astrid in that movie as well, fortunately we can just consider it non-canon.
Dreamworks really made a biggest mistake planning a How To Train Your Dragon live action movie. They should’ve never taken a page from Disney’s book, but instead they made themselves look stupid for trying to turn things around. So much for Dreamworks being called so-called “rivals” when it comes to animation
Not too bright of them considering how the live action remakes from Disney have been tanking. How can they even call a cgi animated movie live action anyway, or have they found some real dragons for those parts?
how the high and mighty have fallen.
You need an idea that makes money. Who'd have thought? (Sarcasm.)
Japan is getting hit in the animation department too. There are more vtubers than animators apparently. Stack that with the recent doxxing law that was passed where Japanese Creators have their information legally accessible to the public. It's crazy
Thats not the issue.. it’s taxing people and litearlly keeping people down.. either way it’s not good.. because its trying to suppress independant artist/ creators . Businesses.. so the animation industry is not doing well. .. that htey have to do that.. outsourcing is never a good sign ether..
but vtubing they get to make SOOO much money compared to animators. And it’s just showing you the type of content is shifting.. it’s why streaming. Irl is so popular..
@@npcimknot958 i think they'd rather be taxed than doxxed there are unhinged ppl just like the kyoani arsonist. There can definitely be multiple issues I just listed one of the recent ones. A lot of these mangaka work from home with their family/children around.
@npcimknot958 I don't know what is going on. Are these new laws only hurting small time people that one to keep their identity hidden. Or are the companies like what China is doing when buying out huge production companies in Japan also being affected. Because there are a lot of manageable artists just wanting to be left alone but still sell their stories. But them China is getting in the Manga game trying to profit and muscle out the smaller companies.
If you keep making a product that fails, you’ll eventually be out of a job However, it’s probably less of the animators fault and more of the writers/directors fault.
If I recall, most of the costs goes to their location in California right now. If they move states a lot of that would go down drastically. But hey.
I like DreamWorks Animation, though not producing films in-house at their Glendale, California campus doesn't seem right. They say they'll rely more heavily on outside studios after 2024, but that means they will still do some in-house in Glendale.
Yeah, they're doing it so they can reduce production costs and maintain quality
@@joshuasebsebe1047 Seems like a drop in quality, actually.
@wesmcinerny4524 Yeah, but does that mean DreamWorks will be more consistent with the quality of their films?
In light of this news, I have to wonder if DreamWorks opensourcing their engine a few months ago was done in an attempt to increase the pool of people familiar with their tools so they had a better hiring pool in cheaper locations.
Wow they’re y really going to dream of work now 💀
now A24 and Glitch Productions are the only saving graces left for animation
5:55 I want this whole quote plastered on my wall
So you're saying we should invest in Disney & DreamWorks...because they'll probably explode in 2024 after all this drama?
Kneon and Geeky? Better pick up that phone because you damn well called it.
The new average Mondays in California.
The outcome that you have so succinctly disclosed is the result of the tried-and-true expression: Everything woke turns to sh!t.
But then how are the new generation of animators are suppose tonstand out fron the trash when before they even get a chance to shine all those chances are sent to other countries?
Geeky: I'm an eighties kid this is nothing
Also geeky: Not the heckin pupperinos, I can't watch bambi
Oh shit, can you use AI to do in between animation? I might have to look into that. I like figuring out what key frames to use but I'm not always the best at inbetween
The show you were talking was twelve forever. That's the show that has the not so child safe Tumblr user
Even the 2012 "Katanagatari" has more class, intrigue, and quality storytelling than most of what Dreamworks and California pumps out these days.
These companies can save a ton of cash by moving into the interior of the United States and firing all the weirdos and perverts
Its shame DreamWorks isnt gonna produce in house projects anymore now?
Just wait till they outsource all writing to japan
Ruby Gillman was honestly pretty okay. Pretty standard fish out of water story.
A few people have mentioned that but I'd never even heard of it. I believe it's on Netflix now but I don't know if it's on where I am and I'm not going to look after reading its premise.
@@tkps It's literally just a story for kids there's no propaganda to my knowledge.
Well that sucks.😔
No one likes being told that everything they're working towards is destined to collapse before they even get there. Not only does it seem to invalidate years of their life choices, but it also strikes the fear of God into everything else they do. Lines like "Don't quit your day job" or "Always have a backup plan" either fall on deaf ears or get swiftly deflected. "Well, I could slave away at my job for 26 hours a day and STILL get replaced with a robot, so why even try anymore?" They're desperately chasing a cushy high-rank job because, in 20 years or so, there will be no other jobs to chase.
Companies outsource their animations...
Writers and animators: They took our jobs!!!
😂😂😂
Dreamworks? Really? I thought they were doing rather okay for themselves.
They are. One of their executives is just sending jobs away to squeeze out more profits.
Sounds like they ain’t gonna get their She-Ra movie after all.
SO glad you covered this
Dreamwork's angsty teenage kraken movie made zero money. i mean it literally only made 44 million world wide. it made just 15m domestically.
The shock going through LA is the realization there is a world outside LA.
11:18 RIP twelve forever✊
Wasn't the creator a child predator?😠😠😠😠😠
Exactly! Remind me same thing looks what happened they're came out rip off Direct-video Disney as classic 2d animation was crazy cheaper in late 90s been around over always decade ago.
I’m fucking sorry for all those 70 people who now won’t have any job to pay their bills. At least, Sony Imageworks is not a less than ideal partner for DWA for many Sony Animation movies have happened to be written, designed and storyboarded by the same people credited on many DWA favorites. On top of it, both DWA and Imageworks have also made visually fantastic movies such as the Spiderverse saga, The Bad Guys, The Mitchells and the Machines and Puss in Boots’ Last Wish. Plus, while they were still with Paramount, DWA even considered to partner with Sony to distribute their movies before they settled on Fox. All in all, this news make me concerned over what can this new partnership give us.
blue sky :( i wanted a sequel to The Rise of the Guardians
Anybody remember those series called the penguins of madagascar and kung fu panda legends of awesomeness and all hail king julien exlied from back in the day all the animation those Shows wasnt not very good and low budget animation also?
Any update on fulfillment on Crimson Rhen?
About 20% of orders to go out yet. We had over 2,000 backers between all platforms.
For Trolls, start with The Smurfs, Make them multicolor and turn Gargamel into a group of people
While trash writters get to keep their jobs
I keep saying, Public Enemy were always right.. BURN HOLLYWOOD BURN 🔥
Like I, ClownfishTV, and others have said; it seems like all these strikes and whatnot was just an very good excuse to cut unneeded fat and and get rid of problematic people that's been a thorn in these companies' asses for far too long. I don't care how they try to cope and/or twist it for the public.
Kneon: I just stick around to piss them off... >~< "I am the fly in your ointment... I am the curdled creme in your coffee... I am Darkwing Duck!... oooops, wrong IP. 0~o
By doing this, DreamWorks is just going to drive themselves out of business. Animators are getting tired of being treated as 'expensive non-necessities' by DreamWorks and others. Once you pisss them off... you're done. No one will want to work for you anymore.
Animators should go on strike and demand better treatment than what they are given.
@@Disneyfan82they might go on strike in 2024
Dreamworks shouldn't be outsourcing to other countries, agreed. But they need to move their base to another state and keep the current animation team. That'd cut the costs massively, considering it's getting too expensive in California now.
@@computron5824 No matter what studio we are talking about, animators deserve better than this.
@@BrokensoulRider If not for stupid Bob Iger, Disney should do the same thing.
Let the purge begin
This isn’t good.. boom of animations..? Sure.. but notice the kinda boom.. its just produce as much as possible..
by ourstourcing.. it also just confirmed they want quantity not quality.. its not a good sign.. and its not a sign they’re “ un working themselves’… if anything its saying animation and stuff isn not even art at this point. It’s not a good sign.. same with anime.. if there is too much, that is a aa really bad sign. - it means everything is rushing.. quantity over quality..
Lessening the amount of stuff is a good sign - quality over quantity.. those suits and snobby artist have ruined everything.
As if the strike only helped the studios....
It seems the animators should unionize and go on strike.
the thing is they don’t write good shit anymore. you can have your agenda just make a good story lol