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@@jonathanjollimore7156 Wasn’t selling it JJ The ultimate truth is unknowable, all other truths are relative truths only…relative truths are knowable…the ultimate truth beyond knowing Peace 🐰
Few of the conclusions I have made based on science. Correct me if I am wrong: Scientific proofs that we live in a simulation: 1) Quantum Entanglement: If information can be passed between the two entangled particles kept at any distance in universe instantly than that clearly means that some CPU has access to each and every particle of the world and everything is connected and we live in a simulation. 2)Speed of Light Limit: There is an upper limit on the speed consciousness can travel, which is speed of light. This means this is the speed at which the CPU builds the realtime simulation for the observers like in a video game and you cannot go faster than speed of light. 3) Time changes with speed: The person traveling in space with higher speed, time will be slower for him. At speed of light the time stops. A person traveling in space with astronomical speed will age slower than his friend on Earth of the same age. This should not be possible in an organic world as technically both the persons have spent same time being alive.This can only be possible in a Simulated world where the time/age is being perceived differently by the simulation(CPU) as its calculating it based on formulas of which time is a variable. 4) Double Slit Experiment: At quantum level, the particles behave as per the observer or the consciousness. And also we cannot determine the position of any elementary particle unless it is being observed. This clearly shows that the simulation has limited memory and cannot store information of each and every elementary particle unless it is being observed by a consciousness and is creating real time information about it only when needed(being observed).
Either we’re living in a simulation and David has time traveled from 1987 for the interview or he moonlights in a Def Leppard cover band called Mute Cheetah
What if... billions of years in our simulation equates to 1 second in the "next level up" universe. We could have been placed into the simulation to figure out some kind of physics/mathmatical challange that they have not yet discovered - so we ourselves are Artifical Intelligence working for the universe 1 level above us. We are doing their work for them, but we have far more time than they do. They could be "us"
What if you are the programmer of this simulation and, to fully experience it, you immersed yourself in the simulation taking on the role of a typical simulated character, unaware that you are actually the creator of it all? When the simulation is over, do you return to ground reality? Would you have programmed in an afterlife? Or the option to reincarnate and play another round?
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It’s creation not simulation, because look it’s bloody elegant. More elegant and complicated than anything you can ever do or ever understand. You can’t create this universe with living beings. Not the eternal souls we have.
I expect a better discussion than just having fun. I postulate that any simulation is got to have a clock. Without a clock, a simulation does not move forward. The fact that the time itself has a lowest possible value , plank's time, means that we do have a clock signal. That is one step closer to decide if we are indeed in a simulation.
Anyone who has played the GTA5 computer game can tell you that it puts you in a new world in your own computer that you and others control. The idea has gone through our heads that we are living in just are larger much more detailed version.
The real questions you should ask : how did God program himself ? If he has always existed and was always omnipotent, where does his intelligence/thinking comes from ? What rules are ruling his mind since he is the one making the rules, and how can he make rules if his mind has no rules yet ?
As a Philosophy Major (Amongst other things, since I'm a Triple-Major), this is one of those lessons we learn early on in Philosophy of Religion. This brings up the argument of causation. Everything is caused, and everything is a cause to an effect. However, there is an uncaused cause, and that uncaused cause is God. This brings up specific arguments under CA and TA. I'm still taking Philosophy of Religion this semester, therefore I can not give a deeper answer on CA and TA. But if it's something you're interested in, I suggest maybe taking a loot at it!
@@wollfi7043 What is CA and TA ? But I think that this question has never been answered since saying "the uncaused is God" is like just giving a name (and not an explanation) to the problem of causality. Btw "uncaused" does not exist as far as I know, is that american English ?
I love how he says he takes simulation theory seriously when he doesnt even take combs seriously. Gotta love this guy. :D I will add I do genuinely like him and know he's brilliant. : )
I just don't get it. Let me just start with a quote. "It's not that reality is imitating a computer, it's that the computer is imitating reality." Why on earth does there need to be only 2 different theories on simulation? Why does everyone think 'fake' when we talk about simulations? Why does there need to be a giant computer somewhere, and some alien or advanced physical being as a programmer? Sometimes I'm shocked out how juvenile some of these ideas sound that are coming from the greatest minds on the planet when it comes to simulation. Chalmers at least brought up the idea that information may be fundamental, but that still doesn't mean that we live in a programmed reality. Like Chalmers said, it could have started with some very fundamental laws and 'exploded' and evolved from there. What if fundamental reality (the larger reality that encompasses ours) IS consciousness (information based) at the core, and consciousness is discrete or digital in nature (initially comprised of on/off states)? Our computer technology could be a natural part of the course of our evolution, and is only mimicking what is fundamentally a truth already. Think about math and physics, and evolution. What if it all just started with an algorithm or some basic physical laws by conscious awareness and then it naturally evolved? That would mean consciousness is the 'computer' and the 'programmer', and those terms are only metaphors to try and describe what is by nature a fundamental truth. It's similar to a video game except video games ARE programmed realities with worlds already initially set up. They aren't evolved realities (yet). Might sound silly but gamers have the best tools to understand how this works. I like to think of the simulation as a learning lab or playground for consciousness. In a simulation created by consciousness (information) the computer (consciousness) computing the simulation can't be inside the simulation. That's kinda illogical. It has to be 'outside' of it. Take a look at a video game on your flat screen monitor. A video game developer will be very familiar with the idea that you have coordinates in that virtual world, and you can move in 6 degrees (3 dimensions) as far from the game world of 'matter' as you want, forever, in empty virtual space. And no matter how far you travel into empty space it is magically contained within the confines of the computer/monitor. You could think of that virtual world as our Universe, then it becomes very easy to comprehend how the Universe could be 'infinite', but yet still have a whole reality outside of it that is more fundamental and even more real. The player sitting at the desk outside of that virtual universe is the consciousness controlling the actor inside of the simulation. The actor is only an avatar. If that avatar dies, the player doesn't. The player just moves on to a new experience, a new game, and a new character. Again, all these computer terms are only metaphors and everything is consciousness and information at the core. So, this simulation theory where consciousness is at the core can already explain how our universe may be infinite in all directions, it explains reincarnation, it explains free will, it explains 'God' or the 'Programmer' idea, it explains the paranormal, it explains multi dimensions and the aliens in those other realities... in fact, it can explain just about every mystery that we ponder today better than pretty much any other theory. And the ideas are pretty simple really. It's all information, and you could say that every reality, even realities more fundamental than ours, are 'virtual' in nature. Your hand never actually touches a basketball. Why do you think it is always explained as invisible 'forces' of nature? Magic. No, it's just information or 'programming' enforcing physics and rules, same reason why a video game character can't fall through the ground or walk through walls. Technology could be a natural course of evolution in a universe that is fundamentally created from information in the first place. And again, It's not that our reality is imitating a computer, it's that our computers are imitating fundamental reality.
I love Simulation Theory. I find that at the base of many individuals core/fundamental values precepts, etc. derive from ones stance on their mortality. Either you are eternal(whatever your belief) or you are not. Many people who are uncomfortable with their inevitable demise avoid any options that might reduce their relevance or destroy their ego, Simulation Theory being one of them. A Mind Forever Voyaging... an old Atari word based game I played when I was 10 or 12, maybe - similar to Zork- exposed me to the concept that I might be software. That, along with all the Ray Bradbury and Issac Asimov I read, as a child. Enjoying your video documentation of these wonderful dialogues!
We are not a processor based simulation. This would be archaic technology for an advanced civilization. We are a set it and forget it creation. The fundamental particle is the cellular automaton known as the atom. We haven’t a clue of what the atom really is about.
@@andrewestbrook4473 I don't know. To be honest your question is a mishmash of words. They say that one perceive about GOD by looking at nature and its wonders also Known as Natural Theology. You wrote God and Herself. The kind of GOD Jews and Christians talk about is not a Male or Female. He has reveled him self as a Man, Father, Warrior, Lover and Mother too while being Infinite, All knowing, Omnipotent and so on. He don't Like idols and deities. He don't explain himself. He said to Moses "I am who I am."
3:15 many documented accounts all through out history of people just disappearing while walking down the street as if they walked into another dimension or a rip in the fabric of space. Sounds like a glitch somewhere.
@@timothygiles3737 I would focus less on the world 'simulation' and more the idea that you are in any way separate from your reality. If you are infinitely connected -- and yes, you infinitely are, because that is infinitely where you come from -- everything is made of the same stuff, it is essentially a systemic illusion being cast upon itself that you are having this present experience at all. Sure, it's all happening, but what's happening is a game being played out and the stuck together bits of consciousness are the chess pieces. If the Universe is "real" (in the classical sense of the word) would that in any way be different from a Universe that is simulated, but has all the same laws of physics. We could be having a similar experience in the "real universe" or the "fake universe." The 'fake-verse' is still real to the participants. Maybe the universe is just a holographic sphere of infinite calculations projecting a 'simulated' reality within itself.
When your only tool is a hammer everything looks like a nail. Our technology could have evolved in a variety of different ways. It so happens that we came up with computers, so, naturally, we postulate that we ourselves might be in a super-advanced game.
If we were in a simulation, then what about the domain that is being simulated from, it doesn't answer where that place came from. Its merely kicking the problem down the road
I find it incredible how everyone jumps on the concept of computer simulations, completely ignoring that our computational brains have been simulating realities within fiction for millenia :P
The question of “physical” or “virtual” is a matter of perspective. Imagine a computer game so complex that the character is self-aware, and experiences their environment as we experience ours; they see things and feel things, can’t walk through walls, etc. To us, their world is virtual; to them, physical. Imagine you turn the screen off. To you, their world vanishes, but to them, the world persists as it had before; they have the same experiences whether the screen is on or not. To us it’s virtual, to them it’s physical. So physicality is simply a relationship, not a property. Our world can be thought of in the same way. Just an idea.
@@dp-ec9vb The possibility that reality being a simulation is a 'conspiracy theory' is missing the entire point of the question being asked. I don't agree with the idea that we're all on a computer in some alien kid's bedroom... but the physics we're in might be the substrate from something larger.
@Zex Fantoma How do you know that? What if it happened to you.. that a movie you had watched many times never existed? How about if your last name changed by one letter? How would you like to be mocked and told how unreliable memory is and that you are suffering from a psychological disorder? Is it not arrogance to discount what is being reported by millions of people as "false memory"?
@Zex Fantoma Yes millions of people.. mandela effect is almost mainstream. You could make the argument for mass hysteria combined with false memory .. but .. mandela effect videos have been getting millions of hits.. and in the comments many testimonies of the sort of effects that cannot be explained by just memory problems.
There is no one except you who controls your reality. The essence of the natural simulation is to evolve its mind to such a degree that it becomes self-aware and woke up in understanding that all that exists - is itself, is you.
I know that Plato gets credit for it, as far as the western world goes, but Vasisthas Yoga went into this a lot more in depth, and its not ranked as being older by modern standards but it is most definitely much older, or at least the stories from it are. In a lot of ways simulation theory is really just vedanta in more modern jargon.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE IDEA OF SIMULATION IT IS ALWAYS CONNECTED TO COMPUTER, VIDEO GAMES,... OR SOMEONE OR SOMETHING ELSE CREATING THE WORLD. YET, EVERY NIGHT WE CREATE A SIMULATION AND ARE IN IT AT THE SAMETIME OURSELVES WHEN WE DREAM. AS FAR AS HISTORY GOES WE BEEN DREAMING FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE COMPUTERS AND VIDEO GAMES WERE INVENTED YET BECAUSE OF IT NOW WE THINK OF "THE SIMULATION" AND CONNECT IT TO THINGS WE DO EXTERNALLY. YET WE'VE BEEN SIMULATING ALL THIS TIME. THAT'S ON TOP OF LIVING WITHIN THE WORLD OUR BRAIN CREATES FOR US THROUGH OUR SENSES. WHICH IS SIMULATING WITHIN A SIMULATION.
Whether our reality is a simulation matters not when it comes to the question of how anything came to be in the first place. Perhaps our way of thinking has evolved in such a way that we are incapable of conceptualizing anything that does not require a point of origin.
'Simulation', implies that we are doing this for a reason. A reason feels good to me. It's the first time I've ever experienced 'logic + existence has meaning = OK :)'.
The mechanism of turtles all the way down is Mother Nature's secret to there being anything; if you believe that this is a simulation than you will have to travel an infinite journey to find out. Nice discussion considering many missing pieces.
Consciousness is the mechanism we use to connect to the biological human robots, much in the same way a computer is connected to a satellite and send down “invisible” back and forth instructions to use a drone and receive the images and other data. And the universe isn’t infinite but it appears that way as all we can get is views that make it appear far away. We haven’t got anywhere the movie theater screen that gives the illusion. And the speed of light is a constant in much the same way a movie projector must be set at a certain rate to move the pictures in the film to make it appear that it is real. Lots more if you have a serious interest.
I've thought about this a lot, but wouldn't a programmer want to remove the capability to even conjure up the idea of simulated worlds? I mean, why inject free will or cognizance into the world? the only issue I have is that we are born with the assumption that our laws of physics are THE laws of physics. That our programs are THE ways to program. I think that discredits the simulation argument a bit. I know about Descartes skepticism, but why not employ that in a way that asks "What do I know?" I think ABOUT physics therefore physics is. I sound like an idealist or Berkeleyan philosopher when I say this, but I really mean that the simulation that we often postulate seems unlikely given the fact that we are already born assuming the physical structures of reality. Maybe I am overcomplicating this, but think of it in another way. When we die, should we be scared or worried? Not necessarily as we are simply extensions of our parents in regard to being personality copies. This is a bit similar to Daniel Dennett's negation of the 'I'. I guess you could call them clones, but what I mean is that our brains have already preconditioned us to think in the way that our parents think. We unknowingly view the world as if we were them. this also undermines free will a bit. essentially, I am using preconditioned information to show that we are an infinite extension in this universe. I hope I'm making sense. I am pretty much saying that our preconditioned selves have originative properties.
This conversation shows all the sophisticated insight of a couple of high school students (which may not be the same as high-school students) sitting around BSing about Life, the Universe, and Everything. And indeed, less interesting than Mother Sereda's nihlistic ('Sereda' is an anagram of 'erased') description of the Creation in 'Jurgen': "It is as a chessboard whereon the pieces move diversely: the knights leaping sidewise, and the bishops darting obliquely, and the rooks charging straightforward, and the pawns laboriously hobbling from square to square, each at the player's will. There is no discernible order, all to the onlooker is manifestly in confusion: but to the player there is a meaning in the disposition of the pieces." "I do not deny it: still, one must grant--" "And I think it is as though each of the pieces, even the pawns, had a chessboard of his own which moves as he is moved, and whereupon he moves the pieces to suit his will, in the very moment wherein he is moved willy-nilly." "You may be right: yet, even so--" "And Koshchei who directs this infinite moving of puppets may well be the futile harried king in some yet larger game." "Now, certainly I cannot contradict you but, at the same time-!" "So goes this criss-cross multitudinous moving as far as thought can reach : and beyond that the moving goes. All moves. All moves uncomprehendingly, and to the sound of laughter. For all moves in consonance with a higher power that understands the meaning of the movement. And each moves the pieces before him in consonance with his ability. So the game is endless and ruthless: and there is merriment overhead, but it is very far away."
It wasn’t originally Descartes idea. Ibn Sina, or Avicenna, was the first philosopher to come up with the idea of knowledge by presence, of consciousness without the body, in his flying man thought experiment 600 years prior to him. Also, there’s no way for us to know that we’re in a simulation, because it would require us to be able to access information outside of something we’re effectively constrained by.
@@oocloudoo1549 Freedom means to operate without external restraint. For you to say that Free Will is an illusion is the same as claiming that there is something outside of the universe restraining it. What is it that is outside of the universe that has determined all of these processes? If there is nothing outside of the universe then there is nothing externally restraining it and therefore it is totally free within itself. So, if you are in the universe, and you are, this long definition of freedom applies to you.
@@grattata4364 how do I know? I know because nothing LIVES in a simulation, something may exist in a simulation but there is no awareness for the simulated object. I know I Live as well knowing I exist. The rules and laws of physics allows it as well as allows me to be aware of them. Peace!
I accidentally left a gold ring on once... wondering why my finger was jumping... then felt around and ooops. Obviously not much actual gold in the ring lol.
Wow... you're right. I love the solo for Headed for a Heartbreak, and met Reb once, so take my upvote. BTW, This interview is actually like 12-13 years old. Dude looks way different now.
Some compelling evidences suggesting intelligent design: Our universe is made up of these elements : 1. Reality is made up of Information, Mathematics everywhere Symbols everywhere . Meaning is subjective , it requires a choice by a conscious being . 2. Causality Loops , Time is an illusion . (All of time) Every moment in time exists all the time . The universe is like a single DVD movie , the beginning , the middle , and the end of the story are all inside the disk . 3. Non-deterministic universe, We have free will because of our consciousness to decide as proven by the modified double-slit experiment (delayed-choice quantum eraser). 4. Cosmic Consciousness , placebo effect, Mind over matter , double-slit experiment . A conscious entity capable of generating information by observing. Matter doesn't exist until we observe it . (Frank Wilczek) 5. Quantized universe , Pixelation (Werner Heisenberg - Matrix Theory) planck length and planck time . 6. E8 Crystal Lattice shape of the fundamental particles in 8 Dimensions , when projected as 4D becomes 2 shapes in different sizes with a Ratio of 0.618 , 7. Golden Ratio and Fibonacci Sequence existing everywhere in the universe from quantum Scale to Celestial Scale . Conclusion: 1. Universal Collective Consciousness or Cosmic Consciousness coined by Dr. Michio Kaku . Our body is a collection of microbes (microbiome) with a single collective consciousness. Electrons and Quarks self-organize into 81 stable atoms to become self-aware into human consciousness . There is no upper limit on the number of atoms and energy to self-organize and become self-aware, therefore the earth could also be conscious (Gaia Hypothesis) 2. Our universe is a code-based Simulation in a super computer in another universe .
He's not just weird. He's the dude who coined the phrase "The hard problem" claiming that we cannot solve, or even imagine what kind of solution could work, for "mind"/body construction. You bring the ointment, he'll bring the fly. You bring the works, he'll bring the spanner. He dresses very hallowe'en but he's a lot more dangerous than he looks,.
Built into the program is your own question of is it isn’t it. You need to get beyond that question or you will go around in circles.Every maze is inbuilt with and in and an out. You will be inbuilt with self limiting thoughts and ideas confidence weaknesses these won’t enhance you operational functions ie clear positive thinking. We talk about Self Belief, belief is something we know can create not just self assurance but calm thinking. More solutions arrive when you are relaxed. The is it question is a distraction that takes you off focus. Takes you to thinking you are defined solely by external forces. You are more than that not only can you find the exit to your maze you can go inside and redesign it.
It is recursive; that is the groundlevel: reality is a recursive, intrinsic language exhibiting dual self-containment as it executes read-write operations. The base recursive meta-identity distributes over all of reality and enforces coherence in the process. Look up ctmu.
Everyone talk about the simulation hypothesis but no one really pinpoints exactly why there would be such a simulation. The reason is quite obvious though, just answer the question "what do we produce here on earth that a civilization eons ahead of our civilization would have a hard time producing?" There is one specific type of molecule that takes the "world simulation" to run it's entire length of existence to produce... Guesses? A side note consider the equation e=mc2 and how it defines borders and a prison.
In my opinion the foundational level of reality is mathematics/probability. All the other 'planes' are dependent upon mathematical precision and chaos of probability. It is not a coincidence that every part of reality is perfectly fitting to laws of mathematics. Do we live in a computer simulation? It is plausible but I don't know if 'computer' is an appropriate word. I think the requirements to simulate our Universe is far beyond capability of any computer. This is something much more fundamental. We shouldn't be inducing general theory based on contemporary understanding of technology.
A basic logical fallacy in arguing in favour of simulation hypothesis is that here we are talking about multiverse on different levels and not at the same level ie- universe within a universe. The simple problem here would be that on our level, we have nothing else to compare the realness or fakeness of our universe. So saying that this universe is base reality or simulation doesn't make the slightest difference. If this is a simulation what the base reality looks like? What's the difference? We can't compare. You need to stand outside something to be able to analyze it. There is on outside of this simulation or universe (same thing). The bubble universes is atleast a valid argument because that is suppose to exist on the same level of reality as ours.
Actually Plato described the model of our experiential world as a reflected version of the real one. He compared our experience to that of being inside a cave and that we a are only able to apprehend fleeting shadows and light reflected upon the cave walls, the source of which is the bright expansive world outside, the real world. But we only perceive it dancing upon the flat inner wall. With the model of the Kabballah, it is the impulse toward exponential multiplicity, or, copying that delineates the fall away from first cause. With each new duplication, there is more degradation, until restoration from the original master realm becomes necessary!
Watching an exurb1a video a couple years ago made me realize we live in a "reality fishbowl". In all directions we reach the hazy wall of uncertainty. You look out to the end of the universe -- we don't know what's behind the wall of lightspeed expansion. You look down to the quantum level -- we don't know what's down there at the fundamental core level. You look to the big bang -- you don't know what's back there past a certain point. You look to the farthest future of the universe -- you don't know what will happen past a speculative guess. You look even to your own life -- your earliest memory -- you don't know what was before that, or before you. You look past your own death -- you don't know what's beyond that. You can't even explain your own consciousness. You look deep into that, and these two guys and everyone who's ever been on his show gets to the point of just grasping at smoke. We are seemingly nothing more than goldfish in a reality fishbowl.
This video was filmed about 11 years ago so some of the info might be dated. In the end does it really matter which is real? In both scenarios our perception of life would be he same. What we see and hear etc. would be our reality.
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It does give an answer to the question why we seem to be the only ones out there (unless the aliens are for "advanced level") But what about how the universe of the programmer looks? Perhaps this universe is really simple compared to that.
Their imagination is only limited if we attempt to observe it. I can say, "this fictional character knows more about their reality than I do as the author".. And because of the way axioms work, it's *true* within that fictional universe. If I attempt to determine the specifics of the character's knowledge, I of course will gain that knowledge too. But so long as I don't attempt to observe it, it can be infinitely greater.
Love the video! thanks for making this. I have to say though as a bit of constructive criticism the phasing on Mr. Chalmers mic really brings down what is otherwise an excellently produced video.
Computer games started with pong way back and didn't do much for awhile. But now we see it is possible to create a simulation so real that you can fool the human with the next 5 years or less. The mind is just the most advanced image translator, taking frequency and giving it a consceptal language. Which means symbolizing, and abstract idea of function and form.
Aeor….truly it doesn’t get any better than this…how could SNL make a parody of it…it could never reach the level of ludicrousness of the ludicrousness of what it is
Imagination - Process of Pure Creation The process of creation starts with thought - an idea, conception, visualization. Everything you see was once someone's idea. Nothing exists in your world that did not first exist as pure thought. This is true of the universe as well. Thought is the first level of creation. Next comes the word. Everything you say is a thought expressed. It is creative and sends forth creative energy into the universe. Words are more dynamic (thus, some might say more creative) than thought, because words are a different level of vibration from thought. They disrupt (change, alter, affect) the universe with greater impact. Words are the second level of creation. Next comes action. Actions are words moving. Words are thoughts expressed. Thoughts are ideas formed. Ideas are energies come together. Energies are forces released. Forces are elements existent. Elements are particles of God, portions of ALL, the stuff of everything. The beginning is God. The end is action. Action is God creating - or God experienced. Hang on. There's one thing more I have to tell you. You are always seeing what by your terms you would define as the "past," even when you are looking at what is right in front of you. I am? It is impossible to see The Present. The Present "happens," then turns into a burst of light, formed by energy dispersing, and that light reaches your receptors, your eyes, and it takes time for it to do that. All the while the light is reaching you, life is going on, moving forward. The next event is happening while the light from the last event is reaching you. The energy burst reaches your eyes, your receptors send that signal to your brain, which interprets the data and tells you what you are seeing. Yet that is not what is now in front of you at all. It is what you think you are seeing. That is, you are thinking about what you have seen, telling yourself what it is, and deciding what you are going to call it, while what is happening "now" is preceding your process, and awaiting it. To put this simply, I am always one step ahead of you. My God, this is unbelievable. Now listen. The more distance you place between your Self and the physical location of any event, the further into the "past" that event recedes. Place yourself a few light-years back, and what you are looking at happened very, very long ago, indeed. Yet it did not happen "long ago." It is merely physical distance which has created the illusion of "time," and allowed you to experience your Self as being both "here, now" all the while you are being "there, then"! One day you will see that what you call time and space are the same thing. Then you will see that everything is happening right here, right now. This is....this is....wild. I mean, I don't know what to make of all this. When you understand what I have told you, you will understand that nothing you see is real. You are seeing the image of what was once an event, yet even that image, that energy burst, is something you are interpreting. Your personal interpretation of that image is called your image-ination. And you can use your imagination to create anything. Because - and here is the greatest secret of all - your image-ination works both ways. Please? You not only interpret energy, you create it. Imagination is a function of your mind, which is one-third of your three-part being. In your mind you image something, and it begins to take physical form. The longer you image it (and the more OF you who image it), the more physical that form becomes, until the increasing energy you have given it literally bursts into light, flashing an image of itself into what you call your reality. You then "see" the image, and once again decide what it is. Thus, the cycle continues. This is what I have called The Process. This is what YOU ARE. You ARE this Process. This is what I have meant when I have said, you are both the Creator and the Created. I have now brought it all together for you. We are concluding this dialogue, and I have explained to you the mechanics of the universe, the secret of all life. Okay. Now as energy coalesced, it becomes, as I said, very concentrated. But the further one moves from the point of this concentration, the more dissipated the energy becomes. The "air becomes thinner." The aura fades. The energy never completely disappears, because it cannot. It is the stuff of which everything is made. It's All There Is. Yet it can become very, very thin, very subtle - almost "not there." Then, in another place (read that, another part of Itself) it can again coalesce, once more "clumping together" to form what you call matter, and what "looks like" a discreet unit. Now the two units appear separate from each other, and in truth there is no separation at all. This is, in very, very simple and elementary terms, the explanation behind the whole physical universe. Wow. But can it be true? How do I know I haven't just made this all up? Your scientists are already discovering that the building blocks of all of life are the same. They brought back rocks from the moon and found the same stuff they find in trees. They take apart a tree and find the same stuff they find in you. I tell you this: We are all the same stuff. (I and the Father are One Energy) We are the same energy, coalesced, compressed in different ways to create different forms and different matter. Nothing "matters" in and of itself. That is, nothing can become matter all by itself. Jesus said, "Without the Father, I am nothing." The Father of all is pure thought. This is the energy of life. This is what you have chosen to call Absolute Love. This is the God and the Goddess, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. It is the All-in-All, the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Source. It is that which you have sought to understand from the beginning of time. The Great Mystery, the Endless Enigma, the Eternal Truth. There is only One of Us, and so, it is THAT WHICH YOU ARE.
The way I see it, everything I see, everything I feel, everything I think happens in my mind. My body sends signals which apparently come from the environment, but then it creates everything I experience from those signals. So I'm not experiencing those signals I'm experiencing whatever my brain creates when it receives those signals. So even if the world is absolutely real, my experience of it is a simulation made by my brain.
I dunno. We probably are in a simulation, but because Boolean algebra operating on binary bits does not occur naturally in nature, I don't believe we are based on what makes all current digital computers including quantum ones, citing Andrew Steane an Oxford quantum computing physicist writing in his paper "Quantum Computing", "The new version of the Church-Turing thesis (now called the ‘Church-Turing Principle’) does not refer to Turing machines. This is important because there are fundamental differences between the very nature of the Turing machine and the principles of quantum mechanics. One is described in terms of operations on classical bits, the other in terms of evolution of quantum states. Hence there is the possibility that the universal Turing machine, and hence all classical computers, might not be able to simulate some of the behavior to be found in Nature. Conversely, it may be physically possible (i.e. not ruled out by the laws of Nature) to realize a new type of computation essentially different from that of classical computer science. This is the central aim of quantum computing." I feel this is a "simulation" of some sort that produces a very real reality to us, the observers - with myself knowing a little about wave vs particle, and believing true randomness is in the wave state, making this a system that "God" does play dice with, to reverse what the agnostic Einstein said. I believe I found a new form of logic. Go to github and search for "dynamic stateless computer". (this here is written as a fellow agnostic)
Philosophy majors imagining 3d goggles are getting us closer to the matrix and blissfully unaware of the giant chasm between computers and biological brains. The non-technical public's knowledge of the limitations of computers and AI is astounding.
Humans can easily know things-in-themselves given that the thing is understood in the epistemic reference frame in which it exists. Cups aren’t usually, if ever, quantum objects. Cups are composed of entities that at lower or higher levels of differentiation/integration act differently. If a cup were moving near the speed of light, or shrunk to the quantum level or thrown into a black hole, there would be things about the nature of the cup that we couldn’t fully explain. I don’t live in those reference frames, but my reference frame exists, so a cup is known in itself (qua *cup*) in my reference frame. Is a molecule of H2O a collection water? How about a cup? Where’s the specific point in space-time where it changes from water to not-water? Water is what a mere collection of H20 can’t get to, but what a sufficient system of H20 interactions is. Infinity isn’t [-♾,♾] but (-♾,♾). A cup isn’t fully explainable at the quantum level because it has mass, thus gravity. That is, the limit as the understanding of a cup approaches quantum gravity, which is infinitely unexplainable given our *current* understanding of experimental quantum mechanics, or some other unexplainable physics, is something real, given that there exists a reference frame that is conscious of it. We have to understand consciousness to understand how our reference frame exactly fits into the picture. Even then, I suppose that can’t rule out an evil demon or higher-order species, but nothing in our current level of existence can. Either way, it doesn’t seem likely that a simulation of a cup as we understand it could exist without a god-like being, and unless you have an actually infinite amount of time, I don’t think you could have such a being.
I know I am living in a simulation, especially since i did a move for a customer to the bay area in California, and I drove through San Francisco, strangely felt like I was surrounded by more npcs than usual, couple days later after I drove home, my family and I watched the 4th matrix where it was based out of San Francisco.. point and case
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I don't buy this idea
@@jonathanjollimore7156 Wasn’t selling it JJ
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@@Williamb612 It's idea I don't know the answer if its true or not but not really a subscriber too it
He went ham when customizing his character 🤣
David hasn’t looked this good since the 1984 album.
🤣 might as well jump, go ahead jump!
That guy proves we are in a simulation. Only a program could create such a uniquely bizarre NPC.
He never makes a proof. But he explains why it might be likely.
Few of the conclusions I have made based on science. Correct me if I am wrong:
Scientific proofs that we live in a simulation:
1) Quantum Entanglement: If information can be passed between the two entangled particles kept at any distance in universe instantly than that clearly means that some CPU has access to each and every particle of the world and everything is connected and we live in a simulation.
2)Speed of Light Limit: There is an upper limit on the speed consciousness can travel, which is speed of light. This means this is the speed at which the CPU builds the realtime simulation for the observers like in a video game and you cannot go faster than speed of light.
3) Time changes with speed: The person traveling in space with higher speed, time will be slower for him. At speed of light the time stops. A person traveling in space with astronomical speed will age slower than his friend on Earth of the same age. This should not be possible in an organic world as technically both the persons have spent same time being alive.This can only be possible in a Simulated world where the time/age is being perceived differently by the simulation(CPU) as its calculating it based on formulas of which time is a variable.
4) Double Slit Experiment: At quantum level, the particles behave as per the observer or the consciousness. And also we cannot determine the position of any elementary particle unless it is being observed. This clearly shows that the simulation has limited memory and cannot store information of each and every elementary particle unless it is being observed by a consciousness and is creating real time information about it only when needed(being observed).
The dot matrix printer in the background is a nice touch. 😃
no it is an MRI machine
It’s the ‘black cat’
@@Williamb612 Its a Dot Matrix plotter printer...you can see the paper underneath.
Either we’re living in a simulation and David has time traveled from 1987 for the interview or he moonlights in a Def Leppard cover band called Mute Cheetah
What if...
billions of years in our simulation equates to 1 second in the "next level up" universe.
We could have been placed into the simulation to figure out some kind of physics/mathmatical challange that they have not yet discovered - so we ourselves are Artifical Intelligence working for the universe 1 level above us. We are doing their work for them, but we have far more time than they do. They could be "us"
What if you are the programmer of this simulation and, to fully experience it, you immersed yourself in the simulation taking on the role of a typical simulated character, unaware that you are actually the creator of it all? When the simulation is over, do you return to ground reality? Would you have programmed in an afterlife? Or the option to reincarnate and play another round?
Is this an old video? I'm sure I've seen this ages ago! Or it could just be a glitch in the matrix! 🤷♂️
I think it is, Chalmers has not had his hair that long for some years.
@@Zeuswashington These are reruns from public television; you might've seen it there. (from the "About" section) "On the air continuously since 2000, Closer To Truth is broadcast weekly on PBS and public television stations in the U.S. "
It's extremely old. Chalmers today has short thinning grey hair.
@@raffriff42 True, these are from a long running PBS television series. It hasn't been on the air continuously since 2000 however. It was off the air in 2002 and from 2004 through 2007.
I'm not sure if it's still being made. It seems to have been sidelined by the pandemic. The only Closer To Truth-ish stuff that's been done over the past year and a half are the remote one on one Zoom chats that appear sporadically on this channel called "Closer To Truth: Chats". They're not much like the television show.
Kuhn is 77 so the show might be gone for good now.
Even the last season wasn't actually new shows but old interviews with new special effects.
It’s creation not simulation, because look it’s bloody elegant. More elegant and complicated than anything you can ever do or ever understand. You can’t create this universe with living beings. Not the eternal souls we have.
I expect a better discussion than just having fun.
I postulate that any simulation is got to have a clock. Without a clock, a simulation does not move forward.
The fact that the time itself has a lowest possible value , plank's time, means that we do have a clock signal. That is one step closer to decide if we are indeed in a simulation.
@i Syndicates you are correct. He stays forever.
@traditional arts first you would need to Define confidence within something undefinable.
When you miss punctuation it's hard for me to know whether you make a statement or ask a question.
You know what I mean
This clip convinces me that the audio only radio is still the best medium ever.
LOL
Anyone who has played the GTA5 computer game can tell you that it puts you in a new world in your own computer that you and others control. The idea has gone through our heads that we are living in just are larger much more detailed version.
The real questions you should ask : how did God program himself ? If he has always existed and was always omnipotent, where does his intelligence/thinking comes from ? What rules are ruling his mind since he is the one making the rules, and how can he make rules if his mind has no rules yet ?
Dizzying. Around and around we go.
As a Philosophy Major (Amongst other things, since I'm a Triple-Major), this is one of those lessons we learn early on in Philosophy of Religion.
This brings up the argument of causation. Everything is caused, and everything is a cause to an effect. However, there is an uncaused cause, and that uncaused cause is God. This brings up specific arguments under CA and TA. I'm still taking Philosophy of Religion this semester, therefore I can not give a deeper answer on CA and TA. But if it's something you're interested in, I suggest maybe taking a loot at it!
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What is CA and TA ? But I think that this question has never been answered since saying "the uncaused is God" is like just giving a name (and not an explanation) to the problem of causality. Btw "uncaused" does not exist as far as I know, is that american English ?
I love how he says he takes simulation theory seriously when he doesnt even take combs seriously. Gotta love this guy. :D I will add I do genuinely like him and know he's brilliant. : )
Comb is simulation.
apparently he doesn't Take the simulation theory serious. He was just being tongue in cheek .
does he use amp simulator of valve tubes?
The most important show I watch.
Ok Yoda
One of my favourite discussions on the channel, David's a great guy
I just don't get it. Let me just start with a quote. "It's not that reality is imitating a computer, it's that the computer is imitating reality." Why on earth does there need to be only 2 different theories on simulation? Why does everyone think 'fake' when we talk about simulations? Why does there need to be a giant computer somewhere, and some alien or advanced physical being as a programmer? Sometimes I'm shocked out how juvenile some of these ideas sound that are coming from the greatest minds on the planet when it comes to simulation. Chalmers at least brought up the idea that information may be fundamental, but that still doesn't mean that we live in a programmed reality. Like Chalmers said, it could have started with some very fundamental laws and 'exploded' and evolved from there.
What if fundamental reality (the larger reality that encompasses ours) IS consciousness (information based) at the core, and consciousness is discrete or digital in nature (initially comprised of on/off states)? Our computer technology could be a natural part of the course of our evolution, and is only mimicking what is fundamentally a truth already. Think about math and physics, and evolution. What if it all just started with an algorithm or some basic physical laws by conscious awareness and then it naturally evolved? That would mean consciousness is the 'computer' and the 'programmer', and those terms are only metaphors to try and describe what is by nature a fundamental truth. It's similar to a video game except video games ARE programmed realities with worlds already initially set up. They aren't evolved realities (yet).
Might sound silly but gamers have the best tools to understand how this works. I like to think of the simulation as a learning lab or playground for consciousness. In a simulation created by consciousness (information) the computer (consciousness) computing the simulation can't be inside the simulation. That's kinda illogical. It has to be 'outside' of it. Take a look at a video game on your flat screen monitor. A video game developer will be very familiar with the idea that you have coordinates in that virtual world, and you can move in 6 degrees (3 dimensions) as far from the game world of 'matter' as you want, forever, in empty virtual space. And no matter how far you travel into empty space it is magically contained within the confines of the computer/monitor. You could think of that virtual world as our Universe, then it becomes very easy to comprehend how the Universe could be 'infinite', but yet still have a whole reality outside of it that is more fundamental and even more real. The player sitting at the desk outside of that virtual universe is the consciousness controlling the actor inside of the simulation. The actor is only an avatar. If that avatar dies, the player doesn't. The player just moves on to a new experience, a new game, and a new character.
Again, all these computer terms are only metaphors and everything is consciousness and information at the core. So, this simulation theory where consciousness is at the core can already explain how our universe may be infinite in all directions, it explains reincarnation, it explains free will, it explains 'God' or the 'Programmer' idea, it explains the paranormal, it explains multi dimensions and the aliens in those other realities... in fact, it can explain just about every mystery that we ponder today better than pretty much any other theory. And the ideas are pretty simple really. It's all information, and you could say that every reality, even realities more fundamental than ours, are 'virtual' in nature. Your hand never actually touches a basketball. Why do you think it is always explained as invisible 'forces' of nature? Magic. No, it's just information or 'programming' enforcing physics and rules, same reason why a video game character can't fall through the ground or walk through walls. Technology could be a natural course of evolution in a universe that is fundamentally created from information in the first place. And again, It's not that our reality is imitating a computer, it's that our computers are imitating fundamental reality.
I could talk with this guy for hours in a bar, seriously somebody buy this dude a beer and have the most important conversation of your life...
I love Simulation Theory. I find that at the base of many individuals core/fundamental values precepts, etc. derive from ones stance on their mortality. Either you are eternal(whatever your belief) or you are not. Many people who are uncomfortable with their inevitable demise avoid any options that might reduce their relevance or destroy their ego, Simulation Theory being one of them. A Mind Forever Voyaging... an old Atari word based game I played when I was 10 or 12, maybe - similar to Zork- exposed me to the concept that I might be software. That, along with all the Ray Bradbury and Issac Asimov I read, as a child. Enjoying your video documentation of these wonderful dialogues!
Well, yeah, every body dies, as every dream ends :)
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Does Chalmers' "there should be no glitches" argument apply to *hardware* bugs or just software?
We are not a processor based simulation. This would be archaic technology for an advanced civilization. We are a set it and forget it creation. The fundamental particle is the cellular automaton known as the atom. We haven’t a clue of what the atom really is about.
The days are coming when Perfect Nonsense will make Perfect sense and we may end up saying, Nothing makes sense.
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I don't know. To be honest your question is a mishmash of words.
They say that one perceive about GOD by looking at nature and its wonders also Known as Natural Theology.
You wrote God and Herself. The kind of GOD Jews and Christians talk about is not a Male or Female. He has reveled him self as a Man, Father, Warrior, Lover and Mother too while being Infinite, All knowing, Omnipotent and so on.
He don't Like idols and deities. He don't explain himself. He said to Moses "I am who I am."
@@murphymerryliz and You are Right.
Those in power have always created chaos so they could rule over it and lap up all of our juices.
Nothing DOES make sense! It's the only logical premise!! From nothing comes nothing
@@101whoarewe not a her but yes ❤️
3:15 many documented accounts all through out history of people just disappearing while walking down the street as if they walked into another dimension or a rip in the fabric of space. Sounds like a glitch somewhere.
What we create in our minds if believed without doubt is our reality!!
Were in a simulation
Coz we are all one flow of energy
You put it so simply I can’t disagree
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You better study more about energy
Everything is energy
@@timothygiles3737 I would focus less on the world 'simulation' and more the idea that you are in any way separate from your reality. If you are infinitely connected -- and yes, you infinitely are, because that is infinitely where you come from -- everything is made of the same stuff, it is essentially a systemic illusion being cast upon itself that you are having this present experience at all. Sure, it's all happening, but what's happening is a game being played out and the stuck together bits of consciousness are the chess pieces. If the Universe is "real" (in the classical sense of the word) would that in any way be different from a Universe that is simulated, but has all the same laws of physics. We could be having a similar experience in the "real universe" or the "fake universe." The 'fake-verse' is still real to the participants. Maybe the universe is just a holographic sphere of infinite calculations projecting a 'simulated' reality within itself.
@@timothygiles3737
Coz you are not real
Do you know what is the real you
Just like the smartphone "realme"
When your only tool is a hammer everything looks like a nail. Our technology could have evolved in a variety of different ways. It so happens that we came up with computers, so, naturally, we postulate that we ourselves might be in a super-advanced game.
Well said. Back in the day it was a steam engine.
@common SCIENCE the world is not an illusion buddy, sorry to break it for you.
The Spinal Tap of Philosophy 😳
Ha!
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LOL
If we were in a simulation, then what about the domain that is being simulated from, it doesn't answer where that place came from. Its merely kicking the problem down the road
It make sense think about it , we're beings which likes "simulations ", we like narratives , stories , games , being in other perspectives( movies) .
I find it incredible how everyone jumps on the concept of computer simulations, completely ignoring that our computational brains have been simulating realities within fiction for millenia :P
In Hinduism, the world/universe is called "maya", literally translated as "illusion".
The question of “physical” or “virtual” is a matter of perspective.
Imagine a computer game so complex that the character is self-aware, and experiences their environment as we experience ours; they see things and feel things, can’t walk through walls, etc. To us, their world is virtual; to them, physical.
Imagine you turn the screen off. To you, their world vanishes, but to them, the world persists as it had before; they have the same experiences whether the screen is on or not. To us it’s virtual, to them it’s physical. So physicality is simply a relationship, not a property. Our world can be thought of in the same way.
Just an idea.
Anyone who has experienced the Mandela Effect knows that the "reality" around us is not actually the way it's presented to us.
@@dp-ec9vb you are what the simulation has designated as an "NPC."
@@dp-ec9vb The possibility that reality being a simulation is a 'conspiracy theory' is missing the entire point of the question being asked. I don't agree with the idea that we're all on a computer in some alien kid's bedroom... but the physics we're in might be the substrate from something larger.
@Zex Fantoma How do you know that? What if it happened to you.. that a movie you had watched many times never existed? How about if your last name changed by one letter? How would you like to be mocked and told how unreliable memory is and that you are suffering from a psychological disorder? Is it not arrogance to discount what is being reported by millions of people as "false memory"?
@Zex Fantoma Yes millions of people.. mandela effect is almost mainstream. You could make the argument for mass hysteria combined with false memory .. but .. mandela effect videos have been getting millions of hits.. and in the comments many testimonies of the sort of effects that cannot be explained by just memory problems.
@Zex Fantoma I personally experienced two "flip flops".. if you experience one of those it will change your perspective.
The simulation is real like any video game. Our problem is that we identify with it while actually being out of it.
If someone is controling our lives I think it's more powerful than a computer simulation. We are limited and we can't imagine something different.
@i Syndicates the simulation argument can be logically be disproved in many ways.
@i Syndicates Plato's Cave. Have you escaped yet?
There is no one except you who controls your reality. The essence of the natural simulation is to evolve its mind to such a degree that it becomes self-aware and woke up in understanding that all that exists - is itself, is you.
@@hajorm.a3474 I will be glad to hear at least one of the arguments against the simulation :)
@@lexastron So a jail sentence is totally under your control?
actually it was Plato in the Allegory of the Cave who first thought of that
I know that Plato gets credit for it, as far as the western world goes, but Vasisthas Yoga went into this a lot more in depth, and its not ranked as being older by modern standards but it is most definitely much older, or at least the stories from it are. In a lot of ways simulation theory is really just vedanta in more modern jargon.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE IDEA OF SIMULATION IT IS ALWAYS CONNECTED TO COMPUTER, VIDEO GAMES,... OR SOMEONE OR SOMETHING ELSE CREATING THE WORLD. YET, EVERY NIGHT WE CREATE A SIMULATION AND ARE IN IT AT THE SAMETIME OURSELVES WHEN WE DREAM. AS FAR AS HISTORY GOES WE BEEN DREAMING FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE COMPUTERS AND VIDEO GAMES WERE INVENTED YET BECAUSE OF IT NOW WE THINK OF "THE SIMULATION" AND CONNECT IT TO THINGS WE DO EXTERNALLY. YET WE'VE BEEN SIMULATING ALL THIS TIME. THAT'S ON TOP OF LIVING WITHIN THE WORLD OUR BRAIN CREATES FOR US THROUGH OUR SENSES. WHICH IS SIMULATING WITHIN A SIMULATION.
This is some good convo... I wish people would talk about it more.
Whether our reality is a simulation matters not when it comes to the question of how anything came to be in the first place. Perhaps our way of thinking has evolved in such a way that we are incapable of conceptualizing anything that does not require a point of origin.
'Simulation', implies that we are doing this for a reason. A reason feels good to me. It's the first time I've ever experienced 'logic + existence has meaning = OK :)'.
The mechanism of turtles all the way down is Mother Nature's secret to there being anything; if you believe that this is a simulation than you will have to travel an infinite journey to find out.
Nice discussion considering many missing pieces.
Yeah, the infinite fractal beauty of reality.
And if you believe that you are god, then you will find it out at some point.
Consciousness is the mechanism we use to connect to the biological human robots, much in the same way a computer is connected to a satellite and send down “invisible” back and forth instructions to use a drone and receive the images and other data. And the universe isn’t infinite but it appears that way as all we can get is views that make it appear far away. We haven’t got anywhere the movie theater screen that gives the illusion. And the speed of light is a constant in much the same way a movie projector must be set at a certain rate to move the pictures in the film to make it appear that it is real. Lots more if you have a serious interest.
I've thought about this a lot, but wouldn't a programmer want to remove the capability to even conjure up the idea of simulated worlds? I mean, why inject free will or cognizance into the world? the only issue I have is that we are born with the assumption that our laws of physics are THE laws of physics. That our programs are THE ways to program. I think that discredits the simulation argument a bit. I know about Descartes skepticism, but why not employ that in a way that asks "What do I know?" I think ABOUT physics therefore physics is. I sound like an idealist or Berkeleyan philosopher when I say this, but I really mean that the simulation that we often postulate seems unlikely given the fact that we are already born assuming the physical structures of reality.
Maybe I am overcomplicating this, but think of it in another way. When we die, should we be scared or worried? Not necessarily as we are simply extensions of our parents in regard to being personality copies. This is a bit similar to Daniel Dennett's negation of the 'I'. I guess you could call them clones, but what I mean is that our brains have already preconditioned us to think in the way that our parents think. We unknowingly view the world as if we were them. this also undermines free will a bit. essentially, I am using preconditioned information to show that we are an infinite extension in this universe. I hope I'm making sense.
I am pretty much saying that our preconditioned selves have originative properties.
This is just the subject I enjoy listening to , brilliant mind , thank you.
Notice the MRI machine in the background
Also let’s be clear, the guy with the blonde wig has done mushrooms 🍄
Or DMT
@@waelsalih8838 maybe both
@@Williamb612 probably both
not bath salts though
Not a wig ..
We a living in a Game. There is always a way to get to the next level. I think therefore I am.
What about rene de cartes evil demon theory?
no ,you are therefore you think 😉
I used to love him on that show Growing pains.
This conversation shows all the sophisticated insight of a couple of high school students (which may not be the same as high-school students) sitting around BSing about Life, the Universe, and Everything.
And indeed, less interesting than Mother Sereda's nihlistic ('Sereda' is an anagram of 'erased') description of the Creation in 'Jurgen':
"It is as a chessboard whereon the pieces move diversely: the knights leaping sidewise, and the bishops darting obliquely, and the rooks charging straightforward, and the pawns laboriously hobbling from square to square, each at the player's will. There is no discernible order, all to the onlooker is manifestly in confusion: but to the player there is a meaning in the disposition of the pieces."
"I do not deny it: still, one must grant--"
"And I think it is as though each of the pieces, even the pawns, had a chessboard of his own which moves as he is moved, and whereupon he moves the pieces to suit his will, in the very moment wherein he is moved willy-nilly."
"You may be right: yet, even so--"
"And Koshchei who directs this infinite moving of puppets may well be the futile harried king in some yet larger game."
"Now, certainly I cannot contradict you but, at the same time-!"
"So goes this criss-cross multitudinous moving as far as thought can reach : and beyond that the moving goes. All moves. All moves uncomprehendingly, and to the sound of laughter. For all moves in consonance with a higher power that understands the meaning of the movement. And each moves the pieces before him in consonance with his ability. So the game is endless and ruthless: and there is merriment overhead, but it is very far away."
It wasn’t originally Descartes idea. Ibn Sina, or Avicenna, was the first philosopher to come up with the idea of knowledge by presence, of consciousness without the body, in his flying man thought experiment 600 years prior to him.
Also, there’s no way for us to know that we’re in a simulation, because it would require us to be able to access information outside of something we’re effectively constrained by.
The world is not a simulation... Justice, awareness, caring, cruelty, paranoia, etc, etc is real and the result of choices...
How do you know?
Free will is an illusion.
@@oocloudoo1549 Who's?
@@oocloudoo1549 Freedom means to operate without external restraint. For you to say that Free Will is an illusion is the same as claiming that there is something outside of the universe restraining it. What is it that is outside of the universe that has determined all of these processes? If there is nothing outside of the universe then there is nothing externally restraining it and therefore it is totally free within itself.
So, if you are in the universe, and you are, this long definition of freedom applies to you.
@@grattata4364 how do I know? I know because nothing LIVES in a simulation, something may exist in a simulation but there is no awareness for the simulated object. I know I Live as well knowing I exist. The rules and laws of physics allows it as well as allows me to be aware of them. Peace!
I can only imagine they first shot the interview with the MRI on but decided against it.
They should have filmed this with one of them laying inside of the MRI
I accidentally left a gold ring on once... wondering why my finger was jumping... then felt around and ooops. Obviously not much actual gold in the ring lol.
THE MRI IS ALWAYS ON
David Chalmers aka Reb Beach when is the next Winger album coming out?
Wow... you're right. I love the solo for Headed for a Heartbreak, and met Reb once, so take my upvote. BTW, This interview is actually like 12-13 years old. Dude looks way different now.
This episode is years old. Why do they keep uploading old content without revealing original air date?
Their world is about to be turned on its head.
A great man once said, "ye canna change the laws o' physics".
If the universe is a digital construct then why are ALL it's outputs analogue?
Did this guy just killed Neo and the red pill. Guys we got ourselves a new Chick Norris
I like the smile of Robert Lawrence Kuhn. Let the world smiles often, God bless everyone.
He sure will
LOL
This is what I'd expect the creator of our universe to look like coming down into our programmed world and tell us what it is.
Are We Living in a Simulation? - I hope so, it would be horrible if all this was real!
It's odd that his eyebrows don't move at all when he talks.
Lol. Now I can't stop looking lol
Interesting observation 🧐
Lmaoo proof of simulation
Death dreams and the matrix are the same thing. When we dream we enter the matrix
Some compelling evidences suggesting intelligent design:
Our universe is made up of these elements :
1. Reality is made up of Information,
Mathematics everywhere
Symbols everywhere . Meaning is subjective , it requires a choice by a conscious being .
2. Causality Loops , Time is an illusion . (All of time) Every moment in time exists all the time . The universe is like a single DVD movie , the beginning , the middle , and the end of the story are all inside the disk .
3. Non-deterministic universe, We have free will because of our consciousness to decide as proven by the modified double-slit experiment (delayed-choice quantum eraser).
4. Cosmic Consciousness , placebo effect, Mind over matter , double-slit experiment . A conscious entity capable of generating information by observing. Matter doesn't exist until we observe it . (Frank Wilczek)
5. Quantized universe , Pixelation (Werner Heisenberg - Matrix Theory) planck length and planck time .
6. E8 Crystal Lattice shape of the fundamental particles in 8 Dimensions , when projected as 4D becomes 2 shapes in different sizes with a Ratio of 0.618 ,
7. Golden Ratio and Fibonacci Sequence existing everywhere in the universe from quantum Scale to Celestial Scale .
Conclusion:
1. Universal Collective Consciousness or Cosmic Consciousness coined by Dr. Michio Kaku . Our body is a collection of microbes (microbiome) with a single collective consciousness. Electrons and Quarks self-organize into 81 stable atoms to become self-aware into human consciousness . There is no upper limit on the number of atoms and energy to self-organize and become self-aware, therefore the earth could also be conscious (Gaia Hypothesis)
2. Our universe is a code-based Simulation in a super computer in another universe .
'The Thirteenth Floor' film, recommend, vs Matrix
Interesting movie
He's not just weird. He's the dude who coined the phrase "The hard problem" claiming that we cannot solve, or even imagine what kind of solution could work, for "mind"/body construction.
You bring the ointment, he'll bring the fly. You bring the works, he'll bring the spanner. He dresses very hallowe'en but he's a lot more dangerous than he looks,.
Built into the program is your own question of is it isn’t it. You need to get beyond that question or you will go around in circles.Every maze is inbuilt with and in and an out. You will be inbuilt with self limiting thoughts and ideas confidence weaknesses these won’t enhance you operational functions ie clear positive thinking. We talk about Self Belief, belief is something we know can create not just self assurance but calm thinking. More solutions arrive when you are relaxed. The is it question is a distraction that takes you off focus. Takes you to thinking you are defined solely by external forces. You are more than that not only can you find the exit to your maze you can go inside and redesign it.
Can this be recursive ie there is no groundlevel universe?
Base reality is where these simulations are created imo.
It is recursive; that is the groundlevel: reality is a recursive, intrinsic language exhibiting dual self-containment as it executes read-write operations. The base recursive meta-identity distributes over all of reality and enforces coherence in the process. Look up ctmu.
Everyone talk about the simulation hypothesis but no one really pinpoints exactly why there would be such a simulation.
The reason is quite obvious though, just answer the question "what do we produce here on earth that a civilization eons ahead of our civilization would have a hard time producing?"
There is one specific type of molecule that takes the "world simulation" to run it's entire length of existence to produce...
Guesses?
A side note consider the equation e=mc2 and how it defines borders and a prison.
In my opinion the foundational level of reality is mathematics/probability. All the other 'planes' are dependent upon mathematical precision and chaos of probability. It is not a coincidence that every part of reality is perfectly fitting to laws of mathematics.
Do we live in a computer simulation? It is plausible but I don't know if 'computer' is an appropriate word. I think the requirements to simulate our Universe is far beyond capability of any computer. This is something much more fundamental. We shouldn't be inducing general theory based on contemporary understanding of technology.
If we are living in a simulation than isn't a fault in that simulation that we can think/talk about that we might live in a simulation?
A basic logical fallacy in arguing in favour of simulation hypothesis is that here we are talking about multiverse on different levels and not at the same level ie- universe within a universe.
The simple problem here would be that on our level, we have nothing else to compare the realness or fakeness of our universe. So saying that this universe is base reality or simulation doesn't make the slightest difference. If this is a simulation what the base reality looks like? What's the difference? We can't compare. You need to stand outside something to be able to analyze it. There is on outside of this simulation or universe (same thing).
The bubble universes is atleast a valid argument because that is suppose to exist on the same level of reality as ours.
Wow, David Lee Roth really knows his metaphysics
🙄 Dumbass, that’s not David Lee Roth. It’s Spiccoli... maybe you don’t recognize him because he grew up and moved to Australia.
Actually Plato described the model of our experiential world as a reflected version of the real one. He compared our experience to that of being inside a cave and that we a are only able to apprehend fleeting shadows and light reflected upon the cave walls, the source of which is the bright expansive world outside, the real world. But we only perceive it dancing upon the flat inner wall. With the model of the Kabballah, it is the impulse toward exponential multiplicity, or, copying that delineates the fall away from first cause. With each new duplication, there is more degradation, until restoration from the original master realm becomes necessary!
Watching an exurb1a video a couple years ago made me realize we live in a "reality fishbowl". In all directions we reach the hazy wall of uncertainty. You look out to the end of the universe -- we don't know what's behind the wall of lightspeed expansion. You look down to the quantum level -- we don't know what's down there at the fundamental core level. You look to the big bang -- you don't know what's back there past a certain point. You look to the farthest future of the universe -- you don't know what will happen past a speculative guess. You look even to your own life -- your earliest memory -- you don't know what was before that, or before you. You look past your own death -- you don't know what's beyond that. You can't even explain your own consciousness. You look deep into that, and these two guys and everyone who's ever been on his show gets to the point of just grasping at smoke.
We are seemingly nothing more than goldfish in a reality fishbowl.
beautiful programme, very strong arguement.
This video was filmed about 11 years ago so some of the info might be dated. In the end does it really matter which is real? In both scenarios our perception of life would be he same. What we see and hear etc. would be our reality.
It may matter which is true because it will help realize our options for moving into the future.
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These have been posted before right?
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great production
It does give an answer to the question why we seem to be the only ones out there (unless the aliens are for "advanced level") But what about how the universe of the programmer looks? Perhaps this universe is really simple compared to that.
The sims imagination is limited to the authors physics, whereas ours is connected to the whole universe.
Their imagination is only limited if we attempt to observe it. I can say, "this fictional character knows more about their reality than I do as the author".. And because of the way axioms work, it's *true* within that fictional universe.
If I attempt to determine the specifics of the character's knowledge, I of course will gain that knowledge too. But so long as I don't attempt to observe it, it can be infinitely greater.
con extend to the whole universe as designed by the author and physics
This guy is 55 years old, looks 20 years younger, he is himself a good argument for simulation.
Love the video! thanks for making this. I have to say though as a bit of constructive criticism the phasing on Mr. Chalmers mic really brings down what is otherwise an excellently produced video.
Computer games started with pong way back and didn't do much for awhile. But now we see it is possible to create a simulation so real that you can fool the human with the next 5 years or less. The mind is just the most advanced image translator, taking frequency and giving it a consceptal language. Which means symbolizing, and abstract idea of function and form.
Hope that your character is saved to the main server before the next expansion. LOL
THE BEST EXISTENCE IS NONE EXISTENCE.
KNOW LIFE, KNOW PAIN.
NO LIFE, NO PAIN.
ANTINATALISM.
Yes, completely and in the real world this guy is a rock star...
im dead 90% of these comments are of the Wayne's world reject from the dark void of the 80s dimension part of the programing and i love it.
Aeor….truly it doesn’t get any better than this…how could SNL make a parody of it…it could never reach the level of ludicrousness of the ludicrousness of what it is
David Chalmers is a genius and a handsome Thinker.
I wish I had this man as a teacher in middle school.
Wasn't expecting the comments to be this great
I totaly agree.. Video game.. Amazing simulation
Imagination - Process of Pure Creation
The process of creation starts with thought
- an idea, conception, visualization. Everything you see was once someone's idea. Nothing exists in your world that did not first exist as pure thought.
This is true of the universe as well.
Thought is the first level of creation.
Next comes the word. Everything you say is a thought expressed. It is creative and sends forth creative energy into the universe. Words are more dynamic (thus, some might say more creative) than thought, because words are a different level of vibration from thought. They disrupt (change, alter, affect) the universe with greater impact.
Words are the second level of creation.
Next comes action.
Actions are words moving. Words are thoughts expressed. Thoughts are ideas formed. Ideas are energies come together. Energies are forces released. Forces are elements existent. Elements are particles of God, portions of ALL, the stuff of everything.
The beginning is God. The end is action. Action is God creating - or God experienced.
Hang on. There's one thing more I have to tell you. You are always seeing what by your terms you would define as the "past," even when you are looking at what is right in front of you.
I am?
It is impossible to see The Present. The Present "happens," then turns into a burst of light, formed by energy dispersing, and that light reaches your receptors, your eyes, and it takes time for it to do that.
All the while the light is reaching you, life is going on, moving forward. The next event is happening while the light from the last event is reaching you.
The energy burst reaches your eyes, your receptors send that signal to your brain, which interprets the data and tells you what you are seeing. Yet that is not what is now in front of you at all. It is what you think you are seeing. That is, you are thinking about what you have seen, telling yourself what it is, and deciding what you are going to call it, while what is happening "now" is preceding your process, and awaiting it.
To put this simply, I am always one step ahead of you.
My God, this is unbelievable.
Now listen. The more distance you place between your Self and the physical location of any event, the further into the "past" that event recedes. Place yourself a few light-years back, and what you are looking at happened very, very long ago, indeed.
Yet it did not happen "long ago." It is merely physical distance which has created the illusion of "time," and allowed you to experience your Self as being both "here, now" all the while you are being "there, then"!
One day you will see that what you call time and space are the same thing.
Then you will see that everything is happening right here, right now.
This is....this is....wild. I mean, I don't know what to make of all this.
When you understand what I have told you, you will understand that nothing you see is real. You are seeing the image of what was once an event, yet even that image, that energy burst, is something you are interpreting. Your personal interpretation of that image is called your image-ination.
And you can use your imagination to create anything. Because - and here is the greatest secret of all - your image-ination works both ways.
Please?
You not only interpret energy, you create it. Imagination is a function of your mind, which is one-third of your three-part being. In your mind you image something, and it begins to take physical form. The longer you image it (and the more OF you who image it), the more physical that form becomes, until the increasing energy you have given it literally bursts into light, flashing an image of itself into what you call your reality.
You then "see" the image, and once again decide what it is. Thus, the cycle continues. This is what I have called The Process.
This is what YOU ARE. You ARE this Process.
This is what I have meant when I have said, you are both the Creator and the Created.
I have now brought it all together for you. We are concluding this dialogue, and I have explained to you the mechanics of the universe, the secret of all life.
Okay.
Now as energy coalesced, it becomes, as I said, very concentrated. But the further one moves from the point of this concentration, the more dissipated the energy becomes. The "air becomes thinner." The aura fades. The energy never completely disappears, because it cannot. It is the stuff of which everything is made. It's All There Is. Yet it can become very, very thin, very subtle - almost "not there."
Then, in another place (read that, another part of Itself) it can again coalesce, once more "clumping together" to form what you call matter, and what "looks like" a discreet unit. Now the two units appear separate from each other, and in truth there is no separation at all.
This is, in very, very simple and elementary terms, the explanation behind the whole physical universe.
Wow. But can it be true? How do I know I haven't just made this all up?
Your scientists are already discovering that the building blocks of all of life are the same.
They brought back rocks from the moon and found the same stuff they find in trees. They take apart a tree and find the same stuff they find in you.
I tell you this: We are all the same stuff. (I and the Father are One Energy)
We are the same energy, coalesced, compressed in different ways to create different forms and different matter.
Nothing "matters" in and of itself. That is, nothing can become matter all by itself. Jesus said, "Without the Father, I am nothing." The Father of all is pure thought. This is the energy of life. This is what you have chosen to call Absolute Love.
This is the God and the Goddess, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. It is the All-in-All, the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Source. It is that which you have sought to understand from the beginning of time. The Great Mystery, the Endless Enigma, the Eternal Truth.
There is only One of Us, and so, it is THAT WHICH YOU ARE.
The way I see it, everything I see, everything I feel, everything I think happens in my mind. My body sends signals which apparently come from the environment, but then it creates everything I experience from those signals. So I'm not experiencing those signals I'm experiencing whatever my brain creates when it receives those signals. So even if the world is absolutely real, my experience of it is a simulation made by my brain.
so you've thrown out truth altogether? nice going...
@@UniteAgainstEvil my ability to know it, sure. And I haven't thrown it out, just shown that it was never there in the first place.
This dudes style make me want to escape the simulation.
I dunno. We probably are in a simulation, but because Boolean algebra operating on binary bits does not occur naturally in nature, I don't believe we are based on what makes all current digital computers including quantum ones, citing Andrew Steane an Oxford quantum computing physicist writing in his paper "Quantum Computing", "The new version of the Church-Turing thesis (now called the ‘Church-Turing Principle’) does not refer to Turing machines. This is important because there are fundamental differences between the very nature of the Turing machine and the principles of quantum mechanics. One is described in terms of operations on classical bits, the other in terms of evolution of quantum states. Hence there is the possibility that the universal Turing machine, and hence all classical computers, might not be able to simulate some of the behavior to be found in Nature. Conversely, it may be physically possible (i.e. not ruled out by the laws of Nature) to realize a new type of computation essentially different from that of classical computer science. This is the central aim of quantum computing." I feel this is a "simulation" of some sort that produces a very real reality to us, the observers - with myself knowing a little about wave vs particle, and believing true randomness is in the wave state, making this a system that "God" does play dice with, to reverse what the agnostic Einstein said.
I believe I found a new form of logic. Go to github and search for "dynamic stateless computer".
(this here is written as a fellow agnostic)
I’m waiting for him to say “Live from New York, it’s SATURDAY NIGHT!!”
Philosophy majors imagining 3d goggles are getting us closer to the matrix and blissfully unaware of the giant chasm between computers and biological brains. The non-technical public's knowledge of the limitations of computers and AI is astounding.
Humans can easily know things-in-themselves given that the thing is understood in the epistemic reference frame in which it exists. Cups aren’t usually, if ever, quantum objects. Cups are composed of entities that at lower or higher levels of differentiation/integration act differently.
If a cup were moving near the speed of light, or shrunk to the quantum level or thrown into a black hole, there would be things about the nature of the cup that we couldn’t fully explain. I don’t live in those reference frames, but my reference frame exists, so a cup is known in itself (qua *cup*) in my reference frame. Is a molecule of H2O a collection water? How about a cup? Where’s the specific point in space-time where it changes from water to not-water? Water is what a mere collection of H20 can’t get to, but what a sufficient system of H20 interactions is. Infinity isn’t [-♾,♾] but (-♾,♾).
A cup isn’t fully explainable at the quantum level because it has mass, thus gravity. That is, the limit as the understanding of a cup approaches quantum gravity, which is infinitely unexplainable given our *current* understanding of experimental quantum mechanics, or some other unexplainable physics, is something real, given that there exists a reference frame that is conscious of it. We have to understand consciousness to understand how our reference frame exactly fits into the picture. Even then, I suppose that can’t rule out an evil demon or higher-order species, but nothing in our current level of existence can.
Either way, it doesn’t seem likely that a simulation of a cup as we understand it could exist without a god-like being, and unless you have an actually infinite amount of time, I don’t think you could have such a being.
Could consciousness and free will be so called "glitches" in simulated or consciously programmed universe?
@i Syndicates for a simulation, conscious programming could be a glitch.
@i Syndicates simulation could be consciously programmed
@i Syndicates a Spirit or God consciously program simulated universe
I know I am living in a simulation, especially since i did a move for a customer to the bay area in California, and I drove through San Francisco, strangely felt like I was surrounded by more npcs than usual, couple days later after I drove home, my family and I watched the 4th matrix where it was based out of San Francisco.. point and case