I think only Tyrant has Strength build, Nate and Shad are more of a Constitution/Vitality builds. But Kramer does bring in different angle to the party, glad he made it there!
like 70% of it is that he should just clue the rest in on pointing their front foot forward. It's one of the big differences between a fencing stance, which is designed to be balanced and linier, vs a HEMA stance that is more flexible and powerful.
Thats why they need to make a medieval olympics video where they compete against each other in various events. Would be fun to see them tease each other and act competitive
I couldn't help but imagine their banter as being something people dueling would say. " that's the advantage of having a swebbed hilt baby " (not a sword guy maybe he doesn't say swebbed idk) "That's survivable...... no it is not "
When I was doing my German Army Service, and we were about to throw a life hand grenade over a wall we were instructed to remove the camo netting from our helmets. They said one time a wannabe soldier managed to have the grenade's lever catch in that net, and the instructor could barely rip that helmet off and throw it over the wall in time... everything can get caught in anything.
There's a pirate with a katana in Black Sails. He never has any diaglogue but he's such a strong screen presence he almost doesn't need any. So definitely a precedent for onscreen pirate katana fights. He has an epic battle with Flint too.
this reminds me of a fencing training technique my old instruvtor used, a duct tape strip on the floor, both feet had to be touching the tape with the front foot fully on it, it was to teach balance. he was an unusual instructor, but taught practical lessons based on experience instead of manuals, he believed its better to learn something in a more understandable way
"a duct tape strip on the floor, both feet had to be touching the tape with the front foot fully on it, it was to teach balance." Yup, not widespread, but i know more than one teacher using variations on that. A test based on it was part of the requirement for green belt at the ninjutsu dojo my brother went to. For black belt, they had an insanely more difficult variation of it. And i took some training sessions with an archery teacher doing a similar thing. The improved balance helped accuracy more than you would ever imagine.
@@DIREWOLFx75 yeah, it teaches you to be constantly aware of your own footwork, the more awareness you have, the better the footwork, my instructor based most of his practising techniques on his experiences teaching over the years, such as the duct tape, he also would have a wooden stool in front of me during thrusts, if i over extended, id hit the stool with my knee, that one also works really well, back foot in a fixed position, go into a thrust, if not done right, you get an oak stool in the soft spot of the knee
one of my fencing clubs in London regularly had us all practice on gymn "beams" - about 8 " or 20 cm wide and about 6 or 7 feet long and about 8" above the ground. The idea was to teach/remind people to move straight forward and straight back and in so doing to keep the feet at 90 to each other , not how Shad's feet are most of the time.!!
That looked like a whole lot of fun from this side of the camera as well. In universe, all the participants involved in the two fight scenes except Will Turner are very experienced sailors of the day, and Jack Sparrow in particular walks with an exaggerated “sailor’s roll”, a style of walking adapted to maintaining balance on a ship’s deck that is usually pitching and rolling as well as being wet and slippery. Hence I would expect Jack and Davy Jones to be able to fight with relative ease on that yard (or boom, definitely not mast) compared to four random landlubbers. If anything Kramer has an unfair advantage due to his extensive stage training in maintaining a line of movement during interactions with other actors while stage fighting. His apparent casual ease standing on the beam while you other three were flailing around at the beginning shows that. (It probably contributed to his looking extra cool in the last video. Just saying.) So is Kramer moving to the Land Down Under for good? You guys seem to be getting along famously as they say, and he’s making solid contributions to your work.
Though it is interesting to point out how in the Blacksmith fight, it was stationary dry beams, and a location Will Turner was most familiar with and likely trained in (and there were "third beams" lol). Meanwhile in the Davy Jones and Jack Sparrow's fight, there was excessive rain, and the ships were in very precarious positions, spiraling down a massive Whirlpool.
I think it's very unlikely he's gonna move across the globe just to be available for Shad's videos. He'd need to convince his partner, he'd would leave all his friends behind... He'd basically have to leave behind his entire life up to this point.
I'm a tour guide in puerto rico right now going into the mountains and rivers and although not quite the same, i walk with that "sailor's roll" quite comfortably and i was thinking about that the whole time while watching this. It's useful while running across small boulders/rocks that are sometimes slippery and sometimes not stable, but idk how good I'd do with shoes on since i normally am barefoot...
0:10 Wait a minute here chaps! This is a golden opportunity for future content. There were many pirates that used katanas, Japanese pirates. Japanese pirates were infamous in Asia, and virtually blocked the Chinese off from becoming a serious naval power. In many ways, the katana is more suitable for pirates, and naval combat, than it is for traditional samurai combat.
Also, the relatively short, curved blade is less likely to get caught on rigging and whatnot. That's why cutlasses were so popular anongst western sailors.
A pleasure to see Living Anachronism making another appearance on the channel. I actually found his channel from his first appearance on Shadiversity and have been getting more into it ever since.
I think it's reasonable that if you did SOMETHING within however much time, if you've spend many many years on a ship, it's probably a quite realistic scenario.
I can't overstate how much I am enjoying these videos. The sheer excitement they bring to the videos, and the breadth of topics are fantastic. And it's great to see Kramer with them in person, as well (Living Anachronism is such a great channel).
I feel like it's worth mentioning being lighter and shorter is a MASSIVE advantage in this sort of fight, it gives you a much more controllable balance. hence why Kramer seemed much more stable up there than anyone else.
Conclusion, with the years and years of balance training that most of the characters would have gotten by virtue of essentially spending all their time on the water and working on ships, this is entirely possible. Bonus, PotC fight choreography is underrated and some of the best to ever come out of Hollywood.
I feel like this would be easier with a more modern linear and point centric fencing style. It's also worth remembering that in both scenes the beams were significantly wider, which would make footing easier.
With the beams being round I feel it comes down to footwear. If the soles of the shoe are flexible, the foot has more surface to use for stability while the stiffer the soles are the more difficult keeping your balance becomes.
For Nate, as a fighter he needs to be a tank. Armor, Pavise (maybe spiked) and a sword or mace. Stand your ground and snipe limbs or smash into your opponent and trample them. Embroidery is nice too, he can fancy up his gambeson.
Tyranth's "third beam" defense was a great improvisation. And Kramer seems so much more confident on the beams than the others, probably due to his stage training.
I love how graceful and easily Kramer fights on those beams compared to the rest of the crew. And shows that with fair training, its pretty dang possible. And too add to it, he even looks like Orlando Bloom when he plays Will Turner. Note though, The thinner beams didn't help with the wider distance between the beams, even a cm in thickness can be a huge difference in balance when jumping between two beams.
Currently learning fencing... this seems like it would be a great way to keep your footwork straight. Cool seeing Kramer putting his stage fighting skills to use!
Hey Shad, I love what you guys do. Your passion to explore historical accuracy and balance it with fantasy possibilities is so engaging. Knowing you like to get things correct where possible, I hope you don’t mind a terminology suggestion. The “mast” is the vertical one. The various wooden (or in modern cases metal or composite) poles / beams are called “Spars”. The main spars on tall ships like the pirate ships are: Mast - vertical Yard - horizontal which the square sails hang from Boom - horizontal along the bottom of the sail. Bow Sprit - sticks out the front
As a bunch of unbalanced land-lovers, I am... impressed by how well your sparring matches went in these practices and learning of such a fighting style. And I'm so proud of it because when your job and life style is not only working on the deck of a rocking ship amidst the ocean where you climb and crawl on the mast and manage ropes all day, but you're a pirate so you're also constantly wobbling drunk while doing so. Your dexterity and agility get so overpowered and cranked to the maximum that you're damn right sword fighting on beams of wood like that are more than feasible for the savant that is Jack Sparrow, as well as his fellow unscrupulous pirate allies and enemies like Davy Jones, and of course Will Turner who as he said so in the first movie has been training his whole life to fight pirates specifically. That said, I truely believe if you all kept this up you would perform just as well as the actors had to evidently perform on those sets in the films when they play-fought on those beams of wood. Hope you guys keep having such fun re-enacting incredible movie scenes
one more detail from the movies is that they were pirates, meaning they spend most of their time on a ship at sea where they had to balance themselves at all times as it swayed in all directions because of the waves. so for them, balancing on a beam would have been pretty easy
Your balance, ALL of you, improved with practice. So, anyone who's spent 10-20 years walking the rigging of ships, definitely going to be much more capable of this. Still not ADVISABLE, but somewhat possible at least.
I was going to say that playing of each other's balance is beneficial. Example, blocking a back swing or making contact on a swing just to keep your balance is key
😂 Thank you for the chuckles first thing this morning. Yesterday was rough, and this cheered me up. Also, it was very interesting to see how much more stable Kramer was with his stunt training.
On Shad's note of why Jack seems so wobbly. Notice that whenever Jack is on the boat there is no wobble. He's compensating for the rough waters and sway. Also he's usually partially drunk and probably a bit dehydrated.
10:55 😆 *Money shot!* That beam looks like a 4x4 _(or equivalent)_ I think in the movie the rafters looked to be a 6x6 or even an 8x8. Now the mast would be a whole different story. The wood would be rounded and slippery. Also, the ship would be swaying and rocking, not to mention ocean gusts blowing you off. If I recall correctly they were in a giant whirlpool. I feel like this was a missed opportunity to try some other weapons. _(Mostly for extra goofiness.)_ This might be the perfect situation for throwing knives. It'll likely do little or no damage, but it'll probably make your opponent flinch and fall off. Heck, just throwing rocks might work. I'm definitely considering a membership for that extra content.
Hi you guys. I have enjoyed your content for several years and love your insight into weaponry in fiction or in reality. I have been inspired to write a series of books where in the main character will use a spear as his main weapon. It is a chance to use an under appreciated weapon in the spotlight and I would be thrilled if you ever did a video on advance spear techniques where it is not used on the front line, but as someone’s primary weapon. Thanks guys and keep up the good work.
Gotta admit that catching a thrown mace, using that mace to parry a thrown shortsword followup and then throwing the mace yourself (and landing a hit) all in a single take of a couple seconds while balancing on a beam is pretty badass.
Before I watch yet another banger of a video, I would love to see a video about hidden blades, like in a cane or an umbrella or those daggers in shoes!
I took a semester of fencing in college and I can say that someone trained in fencing would have a huge advantage on a beam. Fencing footwork is all about moving forward and back while balanced is the core of the style. The footwork is so good that Bruce Lee incorporated fencing footwork and movement into Jeet Kune Do.
1:20 For my "Well actually..." moment for the day when they're fighting on the ship they are on the "spar", the crossbeam that supports the sails and which is attached to the upright/vertical mast. Sailors would sometimes walk on these beams for a stunt but they usually would have ropes underneath the spar that they'd stand on while resting their arm pits on the spar while shortening sail. Check the attached TH-cam video at the twenty second mark for an example.
To be fair to your testing, as noted the BEAM and Rigging they fight on in Pirates of the Carribean are like twice the size of your balance beams. Like Jack and Will could properly stand sideways on the rafters of the BlackSmith Shop. HOWEVER, the Mast while large enough to stand on, its also ROUNDED, so that would be interesting to test. Edit: Those short swords are about the right size for a Cutless.
Seems like a good time with all the boys playing outside with each other. Just goes to show, the toys might be more expensive, might be more elaborate, but boys will be the same at heart.
Yes, balancing blind is hard, as your brain subconsciously uses visual cues to center yourself. Ive noticed it even while squatting on my knees, if i close my eyes i start to wobble a lot!
It's also difficult to move in a straight line. When closing eyes and going forward, everyone will always start straying in one direction (was it right?!) basically walking in circles in a literal sense (if given a LOT of space). I think this is because the organ for sense of balance is actually not centered? There clearly have to be ways around that, likely by touch, as there are actually blind people in the world, but for a regular person to just close his eyes and try to go straight? Yeah, they're going to go off track. Just proves how important sight is in balance.
@@kikixchannel Even with one's eyes open, right handed people stray to the right and left handed to the left, especially without any landmarks for guidance.
@@robo5013 Um...Hand dominance is actually something that is trained, not innate. It is 100% possible to change ones hand dominance (early on before forming preference) or become ambidextrous (after already forming one). Then there is the fact that most people don't actually have a fixed dominant hand. For example, I write with my right hand, but for any twisting motion (changing light bulb, opening bottles, even opening cans) I vastly prefer left hand. Now, people do have a dominant side of the brain, and I could see that having an effect. But hand dominance? Sorry, no. If that happens to you it's just a coincidence.
@@kikixchannel No, you are very wrong there. Hand dominance is something that occurs naturally. People can be trained to use a different hand true, but it doesn't change which hand they were naturally inclined to use. For over a century people were forced to be right handed in American education, which only ended in the 70's when I was in elementary school, and all you have to do is read the accounts of those that were left handed to know how horrible the experience was. It was unnatural to them to use their right hand and even though they could perform tasks better with their naturally inclined left hand they were still forced to use the right and then punished when they failed to attain proficiency with it. I do manual labor (40 years worth) and can do many tasks with either hand but for some, especially more detailed work, I have to use my dominant right hand. It is also well known that left handedness, like having twins, is something that seems to skip a generation. My great grandfather was left handed, none of his children were but my father and his oldest brother were. Same with my wife, she is left handed just like one of her grandparents. It happens naturally. None of them were taught to be left handed they just naturally preferred that hand, and my uncle was one who the schools tried to force to be right handed. My comment about people inclining to one direction or the other when they walk depending on handedness isn't something I just made up but an established fact. If people are stranded in an open environment without landmarks, such as a desert, the best way to continually move in a desired direction is to have two people, one right and one left handed, lead the way. This is taught in military survival training. The right handed person will stay to the left of the left handed person and when they naturally wander towards their dominate side they will bump into each other. This allows them to keep their direction more or less straight. The tendency to move towards the direction of ones handedness is where you get the accounts of people stranded in such environments walking in circles and ending up coming across their own trail again. It is not a myth that was created by the entertainment industry but a fact that they sometimes include as part of their stories, which is why you will sometimes see it depicted in TV or movies.
@@robo5013 > (...) read the accounts of those that were left handed to know how horrible the experience was. My brother and cousin would start writing with left hand. They were trained to write with their right hand instead. They had zero issues with it. At best you can argue that SOME people are born with a natural inclination for one hand or the other. But for countless others it's only difficult if they had the time to get used to said 'dominance'. > It is also well known that left handedness, like having twins, is something that seems to skip a generation. This is nonsensical. Either my brother or me and my sister wouldn't exist if it was true. Same with one of my cousins. As I said, my brother initially was trying to write with left hand. By your definition, he's 'left handed'. Neither me nor my sister had any such interest and we started with right hand. And as I said, I am neither left nor right-handed, but I wouldn't qualify as ambidextrous either. I have intense preference for one hand or the other entirely dependent on what it is, with anything short of 'lifting and putting down' being 'mostly doable', but always absolutely awkward, slow and imprecise if not done by my 'preferred' (for this action) hand. Now, I do not deny the potential to notice siblings of left-handed children to be left-handed, either. But do you know why? It's very easy to explain. Copycatting. The younger child will notice what the older child is doing and will copy it. If the older child writes with left, the younger child will generally start writing with left as well because 'he wants to be like his brother/sister'. I'm quite sure that if you looked at families with 'lefties' that are significantly older or younger than their siblings (like, 15-20 years of difference) that you would be hard-pressed to confirm that theory of yours, since there would be no one to copy. As for the rest, I won't comment on it. I don't know military/survival trainings or anything like that so I cannot comment on it.
Remember that on a ship the mast would be swaying constantly, the surface would often be slippery from rain, have thick ropes going around it that you can trip on, and probably have more wind blowing.
Jack Sparrows weird stumble walk are his sea legs, being used to walking on a boat on the ocean all the time makes him walk a little funny, he is probably used to tumultuous balance although on ship decks. I bring this up because the second scene where they fight on beams, on the ship? Thats not only on the sea but in a whirlpool as Davy Jones kraken attacks, leading to like a triple extreme situation.
One time when I was younger, my brother and I were sword fighting with sticks and in a moment of frustration, he threw his stick at me, but I deflected it with mine. One of the coolest moments of my life.
You need to make medieval olympics video where you compete against each other in various events (throwing knives,spears, archery, maybe some cutting time challenges...). Its very fun seeing you compete and tease each other
The jar of dirt reference is enough for me to like the video on its own thank you that was my favorite scene of all the movies jar of dirt is overpowered!
I think what we're forgetting is that they're on a boat in some of these scenes which means there's waves going on making the balancing part even harder to do. Love the rain to add to the immersion tho lol
"Always wear a cup!" Clearly words to live by. The boards in the first Pirates movie, and the mast in the third? They're both over a foot wide, so there's a LOT more purchase and leeway there.
thats gotta be the best pirate ive ever seen
So it would seem
You beat me too it 🤣@@alexconn7473
@@alexconn7473[Pirates of the Carribean Theme Intensifies]
“Crazy people don’t know that they’re crazy. I know that I’m crazy, so that means I’m not crazy! Isn’t that crazy?”
@@sakonan4883Crazy? I was crazy once.
kramer has an advantage here, he is literally will turner
Duelist - check
Hair - check
Balance - check
@@JIYProgrammer Blooming Onion - check
He looks like a palette swap in a video game, haha
I said the same thing.
Kramer is like the one Dex character surrounded by Strength builds.
I think only Tyrant has Strength build, Nate and Shad are more of a Constitution/Vitality builds.
But Kramer does bring in different angle to the party, glad he made it there!
like 70% of it is that he should just clue the rest in on pointing their front foot forward. It's one of the big differences between a fencing stance, which is designed to be balanced and linier, vs a HEMA stance that is more flexible and powerful.
Never seen a man as happy as Jack with a jar of dirt, until now.
As a Yank, I didn't understand what he was saying, sounded like "I have a jah of duh". Thanks for clearing that up.
@@geraldchurchill5576 Common Yank W.
@@geraldchurchill5576I heard I have jar of death'', which really made me ''huh''.
Kramer's form is a pleasure to watch.
Even pirouettes as he falls to the mud lol
Absolutely. Kramer looks like he's just completely comfortable on the beam, and everyone else... doesn't.
Rogue/ranger diff
@@DeltaEntropyHa! 😆😝 100%
This is exactly the game me and my siblings would play when we were kids!
WAIT A MINUTE! YOU’RE JUST FINDING WAYS TO GOOF OFF!
Keep it up!
I gotta say catching the mace, deflecting the dagger, and throwing it for effective contact was pretty impressive
The shot on the nads was just comedic effect on top lol
@@derrickstorm6976 Which gets even funnier when you realize he was wearing a cup, so his family jewels were safe.
As much as I love the testing, it was just entertaining to see them having so much fun
Fun tends to happen when a man picks up sharp and or heavy objects.
Thats why they need to make a medieval olympics video where they compete against each other in various events. Would be fun to see them tease each other and act competitive
I couldn't help but imagine their banter as being something people dueling would say.
" that's the advantage of having a swebbed hilt baby " (not a sword guy maybe he doesn't say swebbed idk)
"That's survivable...... no it is not "
"I got caught on my own sleeve"
Kramer made me think. Im curious now to know how often in battles, weapons got caught on gear ( armor, clothes, etc)
Way too often, there is a reason capes are rare, and that most uniforms are very body conforming
When I was doing my German Army Service, and we were about to throw a life hand grenade over a wall we were instructed to remove the camo netting from our helmets. They said one time a wannabe soldier managed to have the grenade's lever catch in that net, and the instructor could barely rip that helmet off and throw it over the wall in time...
everything can get caught in anything.
There's a pirate with a katana in Black Sails. He never has any diaglogue but he's such a strong screen presence he almost doesn't need any. So definitely a precedent for onscreen pirate katana fights. He has an epic battle with Flint too.
His name is Koji I believe, he is badass and I knew he would make it to the end.
He's a Wokou.
I love those kind of characters. They’re just there in the background but stand out so much.
Piracy also occurred in east asian seas.
Don't forget that Orlando Bloom would have better balance from being an Elf.
this reminds me of a fencing training technique my old instruvtor used, a duct tape strip on the floor, both feet had to be touching the tape with the front foot fully on it, it was to teach balance. he was an unusual instructor, but taught practical lessons based on experience instead of manuals, he believed its better to learn something in a more understandable way
"a duct tape strip on the floor, both feet had to be touching the tape with the front foot fully on it, it was to teach balance."
Yup, not widespread, but i know more than one teacher using variations on that.
A test based on it was part of the requirement for green belt at the ninjutsu dojo my brother went to. For black belt, they had an insanely more difficult variation of it.
And i took some training sessions with an archery teacher doing a similar thing. The improved balance helped accuracy more than you would ever imagine.
@@DIREWOLFx75 yeah, it teaches you to be constantly aware of your own footwork, the more awareness you have, the better the footwork, my instructor based most of his practising techniques on his experiences teaching over the years, such as the duct tape, he also would have a wooden stool in front of me during thrusts, if i over extended, id hit the stool with my knee, that one also works really well, back foot in a fixed position, go into a thrust, if not done right, you get an oak stool in the soft spot of the knee
one of my fencing clubs in London regularly had us all practice on gymn "beams" - about 8 " or 20 cm wide and about 6 or 7 feet long and about 8" above the ground. The idea was to teach/remind people to move straight forward and straight back and in so doing to keep the feet at 90 to each other , not how Shad's feet are most of the time.!!
@@daveingram1351 "not how Shad's feet are most of the time.!!"
*lol*
Professionals vs amateurs...
That looked like a whole lot of fun from this side of the camera as well.
In universe, all the participants involved in the two fight scenes except Will Turner are very experienced sailors of the day, and Jack Sparrow in particular walks with an exaggerated “sailor’s roll”, a style of walking adapted to maintaining balance on a ship’s deck that is usually pitching and rolling as well as being wet and slippery. Hence I would expect Jack and Davy Jones to be able to fight with relative ease on that yard (or boom, definitely not mast) compared to four random landlubbers. If anything Kramer has an unfair advantage due to his extensive stage training in maintaining a line of movement during interactions with other actors while stage fighting. His apparent casual ease standing on the beam while you other three were flailing around at the beginning shows that. (It probably contributed to his looking extra cool in the last video. Just saying.)
So is Kramer moving to the Land Down Under for good? You guys seem to be getting along famously as they say, and he’s making solid contributions to your work.
He's not moving down under, he is relocating to the Shadlands.
Though it is interesting to point out how in the Blacksmith fight, it was stationary dry beams, and a location Will Turner was most familiar with and likely trained in (and there were "third beams" lol).
Meanwhile in the Davy Jones and Jack Sparrow's fight, there was excessive rain, and the ships were in very precarious positions, spiraling down a massive Whirlpool.
I think it's very unlikely he's gonna move across the globe just to be available for Shad's videos. He'd need to convince his partner, he'd would leave all his friends behind... He'd basically have to leave behind his entire life up to this point.
Kramer isn't moving to Auz, he just went down there for a bit (I think a week) for a collaboration.
I'm a tour guide in puerto rico right now going into the mountains and rivers and although not quite the same, i walk with that "sailor's roll" quite comfortably and i was thinking about that the whole time while watching this. It's useful while running across small boulders/rocks that are sometimes slippery and sometimes not stable, but idk how good I'd do with shoes on since i normally am barefoot...
You guys kept your balance wayyyyyy better than I thought you would.
0:10 Wait a minute here chaps! This is a golden opportunity for future content. There were many pirates that used katanas, Japanese pirates. Japanese pirates were infamous in Asia, and virtually blocked the Chinese off from becoming a serious naval power. In many ways, the katana is more suitable for pirates, and naval combat, than it is for traditional samurai combat.
True! Men on ships won't be wearing plate armor!
Also, the relatively short, curved blade is less likely to get caught on rigging and whatnot. That's why cutlasses were so popular anongst western sailors.
@@AlyssMa7rin Not full plate anyway, there is some precedent for at least breastplates though.
So One Piece is more realistic than it has any real right to be.
They were called Wokou
Gotta hand it to the guys - they even got rain for the experiment. Really going the distance to replicate the scene environment!
A pleasure to see Living Anachronism making another appearance on the channel. I actually found his channel from his first appearance on Shadiversity and have been getting more into it ever since.
I think it's reasonable that if you did SOMETHING within however much time, if you've spend many many years on a ship, it's probably a quite realistic scenario.
You even notice across the video that they improve their balance.
Traditional modern fencing is done pretty much on a linear back and forth movement. So it makes pretty good sense to me.
I can't overstate how much I am enjoying these videos.
The sheer excitement they bring to the videos, and the breadth of topics are fantastic.
And it's great to see Kramer with them in person, as well (Living Anachronism is such a great channel).
I feel like it's worth mentioning being lighter and shorter is a MASSIVE advantage in this sort of fight, it gives you a much more controllable balance. hence why Kramer seemed much more stable up there than anyone else.
I'm so glad you were able to film so much together. Looks like you had a lot of fun too.
Conclusion, with the years and years of balance training that most of the characters would have gotten by virtue of essentially spending all their time on the water and working on ships, this is entirely possible.
Bonus, PotC fight choreography is underrated and some of the best to ever come out of Hollywood.
Missed opportunity that there isn’t a pirates CU.
This is pure comedy gold! Thanks for this. I needed this after my work day.
You guys are so wholesome. Reminds me of when I was a little boy trying out things I’d see in movies with my friends.
I feel like this would be easier with a more modern linear and point centric fencing style. It's also worth remembering that in both scenes the beams were significantly wider, which would make footing easier.
With the beams being round I feel it comes down to footwear. If the soles of the shoe are flexible, the foot has more surface to use for stability while the stiffer the soles are the more difficult keeping your balance becomes.
This. In the first movie the beams are definitely flat and AT LEAST a couple inches wider than what Shad's crew was using.
Its amazing just how strongly divergent in natural abilities you all have. I'm sure we'll find nates one day. Maybe it is embroidery.
It's underwater basket weaving
For Nate, as a fighter he needs to be a tank. Armor, Pavise (maybe spiked) and a sword or mace. Stand your ground and snipe limbs or smash into your opponent and trample them. Embroidery is nice too, he can fancy up his gambeson.
Tyranth's "third beam" defense was a great improvisation.
And Kramer seems so much more confident on the beams than the others, probably due to his stage training.
I love how graceful and easily Kramer fights on those beams compared to the rest of the crew. And shows that with fair training, its pretty dang possible.
And too add to it, he even looks like Orlando Bloom when he plays Will Turner.
Note though, The thinner beams didn't help with the wider distance between the beams, even a cm in thickness can be a huge difference in balance when jumping between two beams.
Absolutely!!! We used to stick fight on beams in our haybarns as kids! Best thing ever!
I feel like this video should have been posted in my youth and why it didn't exist before, but I'm glad it's here now ❤
Currently learning fencing... this seems like it would be a great way to keep your footwork straight.
Cool seeing Kramer putting his stage fighting skills to use!
damn, kramer looking PROPER!
Hey Shad, I love what you guys do. Your passion to explore historical accuracy and balance it with fantasy possibilities is so engaging.
Knowing you like to get things correct where possible, I hope you don’t mind a terminology suggestion.
The “mast” is the vertical one.
The various wooden (or in modern cases metal or composite) poles / beams are called “Spars”.
The main spars on tall ships like the pirate ships are:
Mast - vertical
Yard - horizontal which the square sails hang from
Boom - horizontal along the bottom of the sail.
Bow Sprit - sticks out the front
The Gaff is another spar on some tall ships. Which goes diagonally up from the mast and holds the top of those larger sails.
Kramer's balance is insane, just like a true rogue
I really love where this channel has gone in terms of content.
As a bunch of unbalanced land-lovers, I am... impressed by how well your sparring matches went in these practices and learning of such a fighting style. And I'm so proud of it because when your job and life style is not only working on the deck of a rocking ship amidst the ocean where you climb and crawl on the mast and manage ropes all day, but you're a pirate so you're also constantly wobbling drunk while doing so. Your dexterity and agility get so overpowered and cranked to the maximum that you're damn right sword fighting on beams of wood like that are more than feasible for the savant that is Jack Sparrow, as well as his fellow unscrupulous pirate allies and enemies like Davy Jones, and of course Will Turner who as he said so in the first movie has been training his whole life to fight pirates specifically. That said, I truely believe if you all kept this up you would perform just as well as the actors had to evidently perform on those sets in the films when they play-fought on those beams of wood. Hope you guys keep having such fun re-enacting incredible movie scenes
one more detail from the movies is that they were pirates, meaning they spend most of their time on a ship at sea where they had to balance themselves at all times as it swayed in all directions because of the waves. so for them, balancing on a beam would have been pretty easy
I love to see the guys have 🤩 fun it makes the videos way more Entertaining and informative
Absolutely love the reference at the beginning. Love that scene in the movie. 😂
I feel that fencing movements like a lunge would be more effective than slashing. Also moving the feet without crossing your steps would work better.
*YYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS* Chad is wearing the Imperious!
I am *_geeking_* out right now.
Your balance, ALL of you, improved with practice. So, anyone who's spent 10-20 years walking the rigging of ships, definitely going to be much more capable of this.
Still not ADVISABLE, but somewhat possible at least.
This looks like a ton of fun!
Just a reminder though, Jack had perfect balance when on a ship. it's the only time he walks straight.
THANK YOU FOR MIC'ING EVERYONE
This was another fun video. So glad Kramer got to join y’all for this.
It is so enjoyable to see you guys getting fun.
I was going to say that playing of each other's balance is beneficial. Example, blocking a back swing or making contact on a swing just to keep your balance is key
I love pirates and I love Shad’s contents this is the perfect blend of both worlds, only missing good old jonny
😂 Thank you for the chuckles first thing this morning. Yesterday was rough, and this cheered me up. Also, it was very interesting to see how much more stable Kramer was with his stunt training.
Davy Jones and Jack are fighting on a "yardarm." The "mast" is the vertical pole that holds the yardarms. The yardarms hold the sails.
On Shad's note of why Jack seems so wobbly. Notice that whenever Jack is on the boat there is no wobble. He's compensating for the rough waters and sway. Also he's usually partially drunk and probably a bit dehydrated.
10:55 😆 *Money shot!*
That beam looks like a 4x4 _(or equivalent)_ I think in the movie the rafters looked to be a 6x6 or even an 8x8.
Now the mast would be a whole different story. The wood would be rounded and slippery. Also, the ship would be swaying and rocking, not to mention ocean gusts blowing you off. If I recall correctly they were in a giant whirlpool.
I feel like this was a missed opportunity to try some other weapons. _(Mostly for extra goofiness.)_ This might be the perfect situation for throwing knives. It'll likely do little or no damage, but it'll probably make your opponent flinch and fall off. Heck, just throwing rocks might work.
I'm definitely considering a membership for that extra content.
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Now there's an idea! 😁
I have never enjoyed watching fencing this much, and I enjoy watching fencing.
Hi you guys. I have enjoyed your content for several years and love your insight into weaponry in fiction or in reality. I have been inspired to write a series of books where in the main character will use a spear as his main weapon. It is a chance to use an under appreciated weapon in the spotlight and I would be thrilled if you ever did a video on advance spear techniques where it is not used on the front line, but as someone’s primary weapon. Thanks guys and keep up the good work.
I love the comradere between you all, looks like u all really having a blast here
Gotta admit that catching a thrown mace, using that mace to parry a thrown shortsword followup and then throwing the mace yourself (and landing a hit) all in a single take of a couple seconds while balancing on a beam is pretty badass.
I've never seen a better personification of the D&D party training until now
This was such a fun video to watch, great job guys!
Seeing Kramer fight with the crew was so fun. Big smile on my face the whole time.
It's nice seeing the whole crew together
Before I watch yet another banger of a video, I would love to see a video about hidden blades, like in a cane or an umbrella or those daggers in shoes!
I think Aus has laws against disguised blades like cane swords and such.
I took a semester of fencing in college and I can say that someone trained in fencing would have a huge advantage on a beam. Fencing footwork is all about moving forward and back while balanced is the core of the style. The footwork is so good that Bruce Lee incorporated fencing footwork and movement into Jeet Kune Do.
1:20 For my "Well actually..." moment for the day when they're fighting on the ship they are on the "spar", the crossbeam that supports the sails and which is attached to the upright/vertical mast. Sailors would sometimes walk on these beams for a stunt but they usually would have ropes underneath the spar that they'd stand on while resting their arm pits on the spar while shortening sail. Check the attached TH-cam video at the twenty second mark for an example.
To be fair to your testing, as noted the BEAM and Rigging they fight on in Pirates of the Carribean are like twice the size of your balance beams. Like Jack and Will could properly stand sideways on the rafters of the BlackSmith Shop. HOWEVER, the Mast while large enough to stand on, its also ROUNDED, so that would be interesting to test.
Edit: Those short swords are about the right size for a Cutless.
Seems like a good time with all the boys playing outside with each other. Just goes to show, the toys might be more expensive, might be more elaborate, but boys will be the same at heart.
Yes, balancing blind is hard, as your brain subconsciously uses visual cues to center yourself. Ive noticed it even while squatting on my knees, if i close my eyes i start to wobble a lot!
It's also difficult to move in a straight line. When closing eyes and going forward, everyone will always start straying in one direction (was it right?!) basically walking in circles in a literal sense (if given a LOT of space). I think this is because the organ for sense of balance is actually not centered?
There clearly have to be ways around that, likely by touch, as there are actually blind people in the world, but for a regular person to just close his eyes and try to go straight? Yeah, they're going to go off track. Just proves how important sight is in balance.
@@kikixchannel Even with one's eyes open, right handed people stray to the right and left handed to the left, especially without any landmarks for guidance.
@@robo5013 Um...Hand dominance is actually something that is trained, not innate. It is 100% possible to change ones hand dominance (early on before forming preference) or become ambidextrous (after already forming one).
Then there is the fact that most people don't actually have a fixed dominant hand. For example, I write with my right hand, but for any twisting motion (changing light bulb, opening bottles, even opening cans) I vastly prefer left hand.
Now, people do have a dominant side of the brain, and I could see that having an effect. But hand dominance? Sorry, no. If that happens to you it's just a coincidence.
@@kikixchannel No, you are very wrong there. Hand dominance is something that occurs naturally. People can be trained to use a different hand true, but it doesn't change which hand they were naturally inclined to use. For over a century people were forced to be right handed in American education, which only ended in the 70's when I was in elementary school, and all you have to do is read the accounts of those that were left handed to know how horrible the experience was. It was unnatural to them to use their right hand and even though they could perform tasks better with their naturally inclined left hand they were still forced to use the right and then punished when they failed to attain proficiency with it. I do manual labor (40 years worth) and can do many tasks with either hand but for some, especially more detailed work, I have to use my dominant right hand.
It is also well known that left handedness, like having twins, is something that seems to skip a generation. My great grandfather was left handed, none of his children were but my father and his oldest brother were. Same with my wife, she is left handed just like one of her grandparents. It happens naturally. None of them were taught to be left handed they just naturally preferred that hand, and my uncle was one who the schools tried to force to be right handed.
My comment about people inclining to one direction or the other when they walk depending on handedness isn't something I just made up but an established fact. If people are stranded in an open environment without landmarks, such as a desert, the best way to continually move in a desired direction is to have two people, one right and one left handed, lead the way. This is taught in military survival training. The right handed person will stay to the left of the left handed person and when they naturally wander towards their dominate side they will bump into each other. This allows them to keep their direction more or less straight. The tendency to move towards the direction of ones handedness is where you get the accounts of people stranded in such environments walking in circles and ending up coming across their own trail again. It is not a myth that was created by the entertainment industry but a fact that they sometimes include as part of their stories, which is why you will sometimes see it depicted in TV or movies.
@@robo5013 > (...) read the accounts of those that were left handed to know how horrible the experience was.
My brother and cousin would start writing with left hand. They were trained to write with their right hand instead. They had zero issues with it. At best you can argue that SOME people are born with a natural inclination for one hand or the other. But for countless others it's only difficult if they had the time to get used to said 'dominance'.
> It is also well known that left handedness, like having twins, is something that seems to skip a generation.
This is nonsensical. Either my brother or me and my sister wouldn't exist if it was true. Same with one of my cousins. As I said, my brother initially was trying to write with left hand. By your definition, he's 'left handed'. Neither me nor my sister had any such interest and we started with right hand.
And as I said, I am neither left nor right-handed, but I wouldn't qualify as ambidextrous either. I have intense preference for one hand or the other entirely dependent on what it is, with anything short of 'lifting and putting down' being 'mostly doable', but always absolutely awkward, slow and imprecise if not done by my 'preferred' (for this action) hand.
Now, I do not deny the potential to notice siblings of left-handed children to be left-handed, either. But do you know why? It's very easy to explain. Copycatting. The younger child will notice what the older child is doing and will copy it. If the older child writes with left, the younger child will generally start writing with left as well because 'he wants to be like his brother/sister'.
I'm quite sure that if you looked at families with 'lefties' that are significantly older or younger than their siblings (like, 15-20 years of difference) that you would be hard-pressed to confirm that theory of yours, since there would be no one to copy.
As for the rest, I won't comment on it. I don't know military/survival trainings or anything like that so I cannot comment on it.
Remember that on a ship the mast would be swaying constantly, the surface would often be slippery from rain, have thick ropes going around it that you can trip on, and probably have more wind blowing.
I can't believe I was worried, Pirates of the Caribbean 6 looks great!
Jack Sparrows weird stumble walk are his sea legs, being used to walking on a boat on the ocean all the time makes him walk a little funny, he is probably used to tumultuous balance although on ship decks. I bring this up because the second scene where they fight on beams, on the ship? Thats not only on the sea but in a whirlpool as Davy Jones kraken attacks, leading to like a triple extreme situation.
What I find extremely funny is Shad is wearing New Balance shoes for the balancing video!
Kramer and Shad fencing. On a beam. Whoa that's just a perfect treat!
Another Fun, fascinating, and Informative video.
Poor Nate “you know how imperious has those spikes?” Absolutely killed me I love it
I think that little clip is the closest I've come to paying for the exclusive content. That dodging looked like so much fun
A funny video, that really shows how much such a terrain limits the moves you can do.
This video is literally just 4 dudes having fun like kids and I'm here for it.
🤣🤣🤣 Third beam should be a thing. Kramer is just graceful. Even his ponytail is graceful.
This was fantastic guys and a very fun video😆
Kramer looked genuinely concerned and I loved every second of it. Y'all are a riotous lot.
One time when I was younger, my brother and I were sword fighting with sticks and in a moment of frustration, he threw his stick at me, but I deflected it with mine. One of the coolest moments of my life.
You need to make medieval olympics video where you compete against each other in various events (throwing knives,spears, archery, maybe some cutting time challenges...). Its very fun seeing you compete and tease each other
you can be that guy from one piece with a katana
My brother and I used to dual like this on parking stops. Its a fun memory.
Such an original and fun channel now. The historical stuff before is no way near as fun as this. Good to see good friends having a proper laugh
Probably the most fun video since the floating barrel one!
The jar of dirt reference is enough for me to like the video on its own thank you that was my favorite scene of all the movies jar of dirt is overpowered!
Great video, love to see you guys having fun while answering very important questins!
That nad-shot was majestic.
That was your best cold open to date.
I hope you guys do a part 2 where you test out the iconic "3 way sword fight in water wheel".
I think what we're forgetting is that they're on a boat in some of these scenes which means there's waves going on making the balancing part even harder to do.
Love the rain to add to the immersion tho lol
Kramer being the lightest Man really had no trouble hopping around from beak to beam.
Pretty cool idea!
Kramer is on another level of balance and stealth bloomin brilliant
Love the pirates of the Caribbean a lot so this was fun to watch.
Where do pirates get their hooks?
The second-hand store.
"Always wear a cup!" Clearly words to live by.
The boards in the first Pirates movie, and the mast in the third? They're both over a foot wide, so there's a LOT more purchase and leeway there.
This is so funny! Great video!
Amazing SHAD!