You need to understand that Larry Vickers and Ken Hackathorn didn’t like the HK 45 grips and the trigger guard. They complained that the trigger guard pinched their finger and they rejected it. HK went to their upper management for approval after they rejected it, and their upper management approved. Funny, sucking up to upper management is everywhere and trusting actual experienced individuals often goes out the window.
@clintwestwood1895 yes if they had kept a 12 round mag even if it had to stick out a little hk should of done it. I bought a hk45 when they first came out and I hated it. I have big hands and after being a usp owner since the 90's I couldn't get my self to like it. I do get pinched by them when pulling the trigger back and when it goes to reset. I'll stick with my usp45's
I'll never understand why HK didn't just embrace the USP as their flagship handgun. It's almost like they want to gaslight us into thinking the USP never existed, and it was the VP9 all along. Arguably, the only thing the USP ever needed to "modernize" was a 1913 rail, interchangeable backstraps, and maybe an optic cut. They got it right the first time and created the ultimate future-proof hammer pistol and it's like they're ashamed of it. The Glock and USP came out around the same time and despite both of them being universally beloved and vetted in extreme hard use, the USP has never escaped the 90s while the Glock is the golden standard with only minor changes throughout the decades to keep up with the times. You could argue the P2K is the "modern" USP but HK doesn't even like acknowledging that one exists either. They're all in on the VP9. Congrats HK, you built a firmly OK-tier striker.
This is coming from a company that prides itself on not selling too the poors but will to government agency or special operations units. They know what the USP is and what it can do but the thing is, the cost of making them especially with updated options would be much higher then the old ones. A usp45 tac with 1913 rail red dot cut and some better sights for the red dot would fetch for atleast the high 1k to 2k range. Hell just a old tac cost that much and finding one at this point is getting slim
@@FirearmFreedom On July first, FL will be another permit-less carry state. Thanks, in part, to our governor. For decades, Floridians have been carrying guns concealed, after getting a permit. Floridians with carry permits commit fewer crimes than those with no permit. I am thinking we may have been better off if we had left it like it was. After decades, it has proven to work well. We will see what happens. I know, if ONE person does something stupid, it will be all over the national news. Even if the overall results are great. The fact is, they want our guns for the same reasons Hitler took the Jews' guns. FDR was the first to go after our guns. He also refused to save any Jews. Read The Jews Should Keep Quiet. By Rafael Medoff. A great novel about freedom is John Grit's Feathers on the Wings of Love and Hate. Let the Gun Speak. All patriotic Americans should support both those authors. Amazon has been known to shadow ban conservative books.
Can’t go wrong with either. I have big hands and the USP 45 still feels like a brick to me. I prefer the ergos of the HK45 and I don’t mind the reduced capacity as I’m mainly a 1911 shooter so losing two rounds vs the USP is still two rounds gained vs my 1911s. So I’ll take the HK45 but I certainly wouldn’t kick the USP out of bed.
The first gun that my hands ever felt at home on was a USP45. The double stacked Para’s felt good as well. And I know that this is a very personal thing but I’ve tried many firearms and my hands are very comfortable on my USP. I picked up a 2011 not too long ago. And I got that same feeling. I’ve been shooting a long time. The placement my hands get on both of these guns make me want to shoot them more and more. As always ymmv.
Great video! I prefer the HK45, but I am a southpaw shooter, so the improved ergonomics really matter to me. That said, I need to get a USP (and Mk23 while we're at it) because all of these HK pistols are top tier quality.
You can get magazine extensions as well as magazines that hold up to 15, 17 and 24rds for each pistol from HK, albeit expensive as with a lot of HK magazines
Both are fantastic pistols. I personally choose the HK45. As someone who is/was primarily a 1911 stan. Capacity has never been an issue for me. If I wanted a 45acp pistol with capacity. I would buy an FNX45 which is 15+1. Putting both the USP & HK45 to shame. Ergonomics & pistol control are the top two things I look for in a 45acp handgun. I personally carry a 45c (8+1). Small hit on ergo, but gain a slight edge in concealability while still being easy to control and feel comfortable. The 8+1 I'm use to because, that's all I've carried for years. I don't need to carry truck loads of ammo to feel more safe. I always have the option to toss in another 8rd mag in a holder too. The flat plate 45c 8rds are tiny. So that's 16+1. USP is still nice, but it's like the old jaded record vinyl DJ's shaking their fists at CDJ DJ's. Vinyl has that nice analog sound to it that gets everyone all warm & fuzzy. CDJ's have better options and are more versatile. It's great to reminisce on and enjoy. But antiquated. Newer tech, better options for accessorizes, better ergo, easier concealment. HK45/45c wins.
@Peylix old and jaded? Lol 20% more capacity is critical in this day and age - capacity isn’t everything but when you look at the FNX tactical, that’s not even in the running for professional high capacity 45s because of the complicated fire control mechanism in the lack of ability to work on them hence they have not been adopted. In early pistol trials.
Best review I have seen on these two guns. Thank-you so much. I am deciding between these exact two guns right now. I was and am still leaning towards the UPS as well. Newer isn't always better!
Had a similar issue. I bought an HK45 late last year from a big chain store and I noticed that the mags were not coming out as smoothly as any of my other HK variants. I sold the gun and recently found a cool deal on an HK45 from Germany. The German HK45 mags fly out similar to the USP, they crank out. Seems like the store bought HK45 was getting caught at the mag well, due to it slightly being narrower. Wish I still had both to compare.
That interesting, I have an HK45C and a USPC 45 and the mags fly out of both. I almost bought the full size but I'm happy to be able to use the same mags and in most instances the same holster.
I own a HK45 an HK45c. I have absolutely no issues with mag ejection. Both were produced in the USA and are great guns. I also have a German made P30sk, which is fantastic!
The USP tactical is a MUCH smoother shooting and better shooting gun, oh yea and the USP tactical is made in Germany with is a huge W for almost every HK collector like me. I own and shoot both but I enjoy the USP much more than the HK45.
USP 45 is also my choice between the two models, but, I own a Walther PPQ M2 45, and I am very pleased with it. Also, it costs quite a bit less money 😎
What's funny is that in my city, I searched all the gun stores for an M1911 style 45. I didn't care what brand as long as it was reputable but I couldn't find a single one that was NOT $1K! I was about to give up when I swung by the mom and pop shop that sold me my Glock. Same deal there, but waitaminute! What's this!? A H&K USP, the Lara Croft gun! The owner said it was under $900. I picked it up. I was expecting it to feel heavy but ze Germans of course take ergonomics very seriously. It felt solid in the hands despite the size. The dual function safety was no issue, I just carry it cocked and locked at home. Although left handed, my dad wisely trained me to use guns right handed. Even then, it was easy to shoot with either hand because of the unusual lever mag release. This is a BIG gun so it was a bit of a stretch to release the mag with my thumb. I found that I could just use my trigger finger to push down from the OTHER side. After a few trips to the range I got used to it. Accuracy seemed abysmal and I was thinking "Isn't H&K known for accurate guns?" I realized a few months later that I had been so excited that I forgot some guns need a break-in period. Eventually, the groups slowly started getting better and soon it was pumping out 2" 4-shot groups with crappy ammo like there was nothing to it. I'm sure people will like the H&K 45 just as much but I'll stick with my USP. It has grown on me and has proven to be totally reliable. I don't have to worry or freak out if I forget to clean it. I usually put about 200 rounds through it before a cleaning and even then, it always functioned flawlessly.
Looking for a full size .45 and probably will get a USP but was interested in the PPQ45 due to being a previous owner of a PPQsc and PPS. Would be interested to hear the difference you think between them.
I originally had a Mark 23. It’s my holy grail range gun. I didn’t feel a need to get a USP45 after having a MK23. Then I got the HK45C for concealability. In the end I also ended up getting an HK45. I just really love the ergonomics and grip on it. It’s not as chunky as a USP45 and carries two more than a 1911. I feel it’s a good full size compromise. That you can also carry if you had too.
The HK45 Tactical is considerably less expensive, I suspect because it has less demand for it. You can find them between $850 and $900 pretty easily. The USP45 Tactical is going to run you $1400 to $1500, when you can find them. The HK45 is going to be easier to find holsters and accessories for, certainly easier to find lights and lasers for on the more standardized pic rail. The USP45 Tactical can be a bitch to find holsters for, esp if you want a light bearing holster for it, since there was only a few lights that fit HK's "universal" rail, and they all suck. If you run an adapter, like the GG&G, so you can throw a Surefire on your HK, you are going to limit yourself to custom kydex. Another big and unpleasant surprise might be magazine cost. HK Parts has USP45 12 rounders and HK45 10 rounders for under $50. But if you want the 13 round HK45 mags, they are going to run you about $110. If you're like me and like to have at least half a dozen mags, running 13 round HK45 mags to compete with the standard 12 round mags of the USP is going to cost you an extra $360+. That is going to significantly reduce the initial cost advantage of the HK45. I am right handed but left eye dominant, so I shoot left handed. Growing up this way, I got used to manipulating the mag release with the left index finger and simply racking the slide rather than using the slide release. This allows much better cross training across different pistols, since prior to 2010 or so, ambi mag and slide releases really weren't a thing. I think the one control that HK could have really benefited from making ambi on the HK45 is the one they, for whatever reason, choose not to; the safety. So the Gen Zérs might appreciate those features on the HK45 a little bit more. I don't personally see it as a big deal and am fine with the controls on the USP, since I have to get an ambi safety for either of them. And then we get to the intangibles. The USP had a lot of hype when I was in college. Growing up in the 90s and early 2000s, the USP was a big deal. I grew to associate it with quality and the aesthetics just appeal to me. I like the ergonomics because I have big hands and normally carry a full size frame Glock, so for me, between the two, I would probably go with the USP 45 Tactical.
Thanks for the info, very underrated. To the USP Hipsters looking for a holster, just man up and order custom kydex. Coming from a USP45T owner himself. 💅
A few years ago I was considering getting the full size HK45 over the compact version because the grip reminds me of my VP9, but when I actually held the HK45CT V1 at a gun store I was surprised at how much I liked the straight compact grip so I got that instead. I fits my hands perfectly. A little less capacity but overall I love it. Got it for 650 at Cabelas. Came with raised sights, a threaded barrel and 3 10-round "hoof" mags, but I also have a flush 8 rd mag and a non threaded barrel I can swap out for comfortable conceal carry. I also picked up a 12 round mag from hkpartsnet store and I think now they might have larger mags like 13+, not sure. Haven't checked in a couple years. It hasn't malfunctioned once and I typically just shoot 230gr FMJ ammo out of it. If the USP45 was a little more affordable I might've chosen that instead at the time, but I was on a budget. I don't regret my purchase one bit though, in fact, if I could go back and do it again I would. I think I might even like it better than the full size and the USP, especially in its Mark24 mod0 configuration, it looks badass.
But at the end of the day they’re both great firearms to have in a self-defense and offensive scenarios The best method I found is to use your trigger finger when reloading and they also make aftermarket paddle magazine releases if you need a larger paddle when you’re rotating between shooting hands that’s what makes them such a great firearm
I've had a USP 45 for 20 years. I finally bought a Safariland holster for it. not my ideal carry but I do have the option. it's a great gun but my go-to will always be the 1911. the 1911 just fits my hand like it was made for it.
I have the HK45 and USP Elite. Both I have put Talon Grips on because they move in my hands during recoil. I use the HK45 with a light as my night stand gun. I need to get a threaded barrel for the HK45. Once in a way I get the magazine issue, not all the time. Nice comparison.
Got the P30S, 9mm & USP Tac .40S&W. I like the bulkier USP far more. I'm also the type of guy that Loves holding my blocky Cobray M11. I just love big, blocky guns over smaller ones. Wish I had an HK Mark 23. 💪
Honestly the grip on the 45c and the P2000 is better than the "ergo" grip of the HK45. I wish HK would release the prototype version of HK45 that had the same grip as the 45C. I also think HK should've tried harder to fit the USP magazine into the HK45, instead of using a longer compact magazine body, which takes away 2 rounds. I also don't like that they used the Compact recoil buffer in the HK45 vs the real one in the USP.
Good information. I am going to purchase the USP 45, but for carry I am going to purchase a P30 L. When I was a police officer with the DOD, we went to 40s, and I have become a big fan (I have no use for 9mm). When concealing, the barrel length is not a problem, where the length of the grip is. Eventually, I want to purchase an HK 45C tatical for carry as you can get an extended 10 mag, and it is a good gun for concealing.
Could you do an Update part 2: USP 45 Elite and USP 9 Expert review. I love 6" barrel pistols. Maximum site radius and ballistics matter to me. Yes , i wont give up my G17L Gen3. Good presentation 👍👍
I got a uspC that i put a threaded barrel on, hexagonal cuz its a german one. Id love to see someone compare a real uspCT to a frankengun like mine. Love HK, love your vid.
Been wanting to get my usp 45 compact milled to place a rds on. Trying to find a gunsmith that will do it, I know it's not the easiest and can cause damage to the slide that can cause it to no longer function properly. I've had my eye on a sheild RMSc. I'd want to attach it directly to the slide and not use a plate. Price is the biggest hold up cause with the rds price and the milling price your looking at upwards of 600 to 700 depending on the red dot that you go with. For that price, you could get a new firearm completely or even a surpressor for my usp. Would I rather a decked out usp or a new FN 509 or I could be halfway to getting a ptr91 that I've had on my bucket list of guns. The Decisions.....decisions.... Decisions.
Prosecutor: “so you say he presented a lethal threat and that’s why you shot him. But why were you walking toward him if he was deemed a lethal threat?”
The Paddle Magazine release is the best on the market. I love my USP Tactical mag release. The release on the HK30L and VP9sk are just as good. I ran P7M8 and M13s for years.
So it was in 2004-2005 when the army was looking into changing from the M9 to a .45. Everyone submitted a gun, Beretta PX4, M&P, Sig, Glock. HK made a new pistol because the USP grip would not fit most women's hands and that was part of the contract so HK reduced the grip. The HK45's grip is similar in size to a Glock 17. That's why.
It was made for delta force, they actually tried to make a hk 1911, with bushingless barrel, external extractor...but instead, they decided to make a "less blocky usp", with the rounded slide from the usp elite(to help with holstering), and less capacity to help with ergonomics. As far as I know it had nothing to do with the 2005 joint combat pistol originally.
That is very true unfortunately the USP prices have been truly insane. They are getting past the point of being a good option in the price range. Compared to the HK 45 and p30
Agree, I really want a USP but going for $1,400-$1,500 is pretty much not a option anymore. Yes they are an awesome platform with great history, but when you can get 2 to 3 polymer guns for the price of this 1 "polymer" gun. I'm not going to be shooting 50k rounds, need that USP name or 2 more rounds to justify that cost... And the HK45 honesty has damn near the reliability of the USP with a 1913 rail and better egros...at close to half the cost...
I have a USP 9 I bought in 1994 after trying a P7 and a Glock. It felt fine in my small hands, the others felt like bricks. Recently I bought a HK45; all great guns, but the grips are a little better on Walther’s offerings, from the P99 to the PDP.
Excellent analysis. I have owned a USP Tactical . 45 for (perhaps) 25 years. IMHO, it is a superb firearm for its intended purposes. In fact, the only substantive change I would make to it would be better grip ergonomics, specifically a small-medium-large interchangeable back-straps. However, when the USP series was first designed, tested and produced, this now largely adopted autoloader feature wasn’t available on any semiautomatics (as far as I know). So in aggregate, I award the USP Tactical .45 an “A+;” it is, I believe, equally superior to the P7 series - which is saying a great deal - although obviously the designs’ purposes greatly differ.
Both are great but I prefer the USP with two extra rounds and the dual recoil spring. When considering the USP Compact vs the HK 45 Compact, I think the Hk 45 Compact wins with better ergonomics.
Why is it when there is a article about HK firearms there's always people that turnaround compare them to a Glock HK firearms are built like a tank and are the most reliable guns that there is peroid
Absolutly great video totally exellent points very well put together i have the usp expert and the hk compact tactical I have run the hk45 tactical and needed to put a weighted plus on the mag from hk parts it fixed the sticking issue It was about $45 dollars. `
My vote is for the USP 45 T. It is a proven design, with the extra capacity and it is made in Germany. If you already have a standard HK USP 45, the Tactical barrel will work in it.
I own a HK45 and have shoot a lot of times the USP .45. I still like both, but the HK45 has better ergonomics for me. Capacity might be a point for some people. I have a +2 extension on every mag. I had never an issue with the decocker while firing recoil extensive loads like .45 Super out of my HK45. And for your information, the barrel has also a polygon rifling as the USP. It's sad that HK doesn't further improve these kind of handguns with such as a Match Triggers for the HK45 or if you buy a new gun (USP, P30, HK45) that it comes with a red dot cut - such as the VP9 OR. That would be great. Other than these 2 points I'm really happy with my HK pistol.
Both! Hahaha. That being said, the USP has a better trigger, shoots better, and has a higher capacity. However, the one I carry when I hike is the hk45. Why? Smaller, lighter, and I treat the USP like a safe queen.
Well the reason why I held off in saying anything is because I still haven’t received it yet so before I actually see it in person I want to make sure that it actually exists and looks good.
Question for everyone before I submit my reply to this video. I see that the presenter has the HK45T V1 with adjustable sights. I heard that HK mostly moved to fixed sights for the HK45T. Why would they do that on a model meant to be shot both suppressed and unsuppressed? It's annoying for me, because it's way easier to find the V1 Tactical on gunbroker with fixed sights than adjustable. Unless I'm missing something, adjustable sights make far more sense for a gun that will switch between suppressed and unsuppressed use. I'd like to own an HK45T in the V1 safetly/decocker configuration (unless the USP45T wins me over!) eventually, but I'd like to make an informed choice as far as the sights are concerned. On to my response: Both are great guns. It's fair to be bummed about the lower capacity (I heard years ago that HK might make a higher cap mag, guess that didn't happen), but the HK45 controls (bigger mag release, longer safety that can be set up ambi or on either side, ambi, lower profile but super functional slide releases) are all around better from my impression. I've never had a problem accidentally decocking the HK45 (I always slip my thumb under the safety and keep it there, though) or dropping mags even from a near-90 degree angle. There's nothing wrong with the USP's blocky grip in my view, though I like Glocks, including the .45 ACP G30 and 21 (Gen 4, so SF), so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I think that wide grips can contribute to a feeling of being soft-shooting. That said, the HK45's vase-like grip is designed to fill your hand just right, tapering as it does toward the top and bottom and the HK45 shoots very nicely. I don't think you lose much, if anything, and you gain the HK45's improved (lowered) bore axis for less muzzle flip. The HK45 does have more of a 1911 than Glock (or insert your favorite beefy, rectangle-shaped grip pistol here) feel in the hand due to its slimness and grip angle. One should note, however, that its curves and shaping distinguish it from slab-sided 1911s (even with undercuts here and there) and make for a *very* comfortable and confidence-inspiring feel. I have large hands, but it's definitely noticeable how my hands engage the HK45 a little better than, say, a G21 or FNX 45. I'd say the HK45 grip conforms to the hand just a little better than that of the 1911, but it's close. Let's be honest, all of these grips, fat and blocky, slim and blocky, slim but curved and contoured, etc. work pretty well as long as they're usable for YOUR hand in the context of the entire pistol's layout and shooting characteristics. Less reciprocating mass on a pistol is a good thing, by the way. It means less mass slamming into the gun and its recoil system and less mass producing movement in the pistol as it cycles. Every test of the HK45 so far indicates excellent durability. The fact that we have info on the Federal ammo USP45 with an unbelievable round count is very lucky. Neither the HK45 or USP45 are super commonly used guns, so reports like that are rare indeed. I think that it's fair to say that both guns are pretty well "bomb-proof," to take a phrase from pistol-training.com's impressive test of the HK45. I don't know if the USP buffer system is actually better than that on the 45--nobody does. As stated previously, both guns have done very well in testing and use. The spring *sounds* like a better, higher-quality part, but is this proven empirically? Perhaps it makes no difference in the lifespan of the recoil assembly, perhaps it does. We don't know. Pick the gun that feels and shoots the best for you . Consider the features that each brings to the table, but focus on the overall feel and especially shooting and control manipulation. They're both fine, functional pistols, so choose what works better for you and don't worry too much. And if they both shoot pretty similarly, look to see if you're overlooking any aspect of the shooting/handling. It might be something that you compensate for and isn't immediately obvious. Are you stretching a little to hit a control? Is your grip repeatable, comfortable, and secure through shooting and mag changes? Is it hard to get your hand and trigger finger in the proper position repeatedly and in different contexts? How fluent is your trigger stroke on both? If both guns are still even afterward, go with which appeals to you more based on feel, appearance, features, etc. You'll probably have made the right choice.
Saw you weren’t getting slide lock with the USP. Not sure how you are doing that. For me when I drive the safety down it keeps my hand lower which protects the slide release
I think the USP Family overall is much more worthy, than the SFP / HK45. Not that these guns are bad, but it's just pretty obvious, that there's so much engineering in the USP family, coming from the MK23. The newer Generation with SFP / HK45 are just "updates" for smaller hands imho. Most ppl with smaller hands had problems to get a good grip with the USP guns. I would pick any USP ALWAYS over the SFP / HK45 Gen... Only great benefit is the fit of todays lights / holsters, but that's not the end of the world! ^^
I disagree already on multiple points. Not a single person I put the HK USP in their hands chose it over an HK45. HK45 looks better "subjective", feels better, better magazine release, recoil system updated-simplified, more slender grip, 11 rounds is more than most 1911's. Has a Picatinny rail and with LEM trigger, no trigger squeeze or slip issue, IMHO better than the DA/SA option. There are holster options and best of all cost HUNDREDS of dollars less. I own 3 P series and 3 USP series, so its not like I don't own them. The only thing I wish I could do is put a stronger spring if I chose to in my HK45, but for the .45 Supers I've shot I've had zero issues. I'm not saying a HK USP isn't good, I just think for 99% of us it really isn't needed, diminishing returns IMHO.
USP 45 for me. Why? Cause that's what I own. Then again, I'm older than dirt. I'd like to find a HK45 magazine release, for my USP. I grabbed some Solum Tool base plates, to add additional capacity to my magazines. Stay away from the Promag magazines. Complete crap, IMO. Thanks for the share!!
@@FirearmFreedom I put the TLR-3 on that pistol. Along with Mepro night sights. You can find holsters for the USP 45, with the TLR-3. At least, I did. Thanks again!
USP fans are weirdly defensive of their guns.Dudes tout that two extra rounds like it’s 10 more.I don’t own either but both are two of the best .45 caliber pistols ever made without a doubt.
Hmmm that’s a tough call but I would say absolutely yes. For whatever reason the 45 compact is just not great for handling at the range compared to the USP compact
Been thinking about going down the same route. Just trying to find the right shop and what rds I wanna go with. Any suggestions on a rds? Hope your able to get yours done with no complications. Also, is your usp a full or compact?
HK's biggest problem are their customers. No matter what new thing they do, their most loyal customers will tell them "That's cool and a nice gun, but I like this one you designed 20-50 years ago" and they still have to make and sell MP5s and USPs. And that is why I think they hate their customers.
@@FirearmFreedom Yeah, it's totally overblown in that regard. But still, it's probably a significant contributing factor to why there is no civilian version of the MP7.
I can only imagine the tears when you discovered a single stack .45 typically holds 7 rounds lol. The horror! And seriously....it's the gun's problem that you like to eject magazines horizontally? I don't own either of these, so I have no dog in this fight but JFC dude.
Hey man! So unfortunately no I was super excited and was told it’s being made but we are approaching two months, this was why I wanted to hold off before saying anything on it. Hopefully it’s still coming and I will update you guys the moment I get it in!
@@FirearmFreedom thank you much for the update, have a blessed day and a wonderful week with your family. Keep it coming with the videos because they’re made amazing with information and educational
I think if someone is considering their first H&K Ièd go with the USP 45 or P30L. After all for most law abiding civiliiians our guns are 'range-only' guns. Letès get REAL. Just need a reliable gun that goes BANG every time. Mags not dropping freely---not a big deal to me a I donèt believe we should ever let htem fall to the ground. Whether at the range or in our FIRST defenive 'situation'. Pull it out and put it in your pocket....or on the table....if at the range....why risk damaging themÉ Not cheap. More so if it was a 2011 mag.... The Expert is so unnessary for civilians....not realy wortht he extra almost $800 (up in Canada)....vs a USP 45..
Own both and really can't decide which one I like better. I shoot them both the same and can't tell a difference in recoil. If I had to pick one for the "do it all" it would be the HK45. It's easier to carry, has a light rail, magazines have a rubber pad. USP with the hard plastic floor plate makes me squeamish about dropping them on hard surfaces. And with the HK45, it's only two rounds you're given up. Practice mag changes. If I wanted more capacity, I'd go with something chambered in 9mm Beretta 92 or SIG P320.
If HK would pull their head out their ass and make a USP with a light rail it would make the gun relevant and on top the food chain again. If they added a milled slide for optic then it becomes the #1 military/ LEO gun again…imo No clue why they don’t update it. It’s so vastly superior to all their other line.
I agree that the HK45 is a step back. They wanted to cut production costs and produce in the US. The USP is more complicated to produce and in US would have been way more expensive. So they really just cheapened up the gun to remain competitive in the market. They made a mistake !!! The USP, made in Germany will always be more desireable.
I think the main problem with the HK45 design philosophy was they were going for a better 1911, and not a better USP, like they should have.
I’ve always been told that it was supposed to be a better 1911 and if that was their goal, I think it is.
I personally love it
You need to understand that Larry Vickers and Ken Hackathorn didn’t like the HK 45 grips and the trigger guard. They complained that the trigger guard pinched their finger and they rejected it. HK went to their upper management for approval after they rejected it, and their upper management approved. Funny, sucking up to upper management is everywhere and trusting actual experienced individuals often goes out the window.
well said, I personally feel reducing the mag capacity was a monumental mistake.
@clintwestwood1895 yes if they had kept a 12 round mag even if it had to stick out a little hk should of done it.
I bought a hk45 when they first came out and I hated it. I have big hands and after being a usp owner since the 90's I couldn't get my self to like it. I do get pinched by them when pulling the trigger back and when it goes to reset.
I'll stick with my usp45's
I'll never understand why HK didn't just embrace the USP as their flagship handgun. It's almost like they want to gaslight us into thinking the USP never existed, and it was the VP9 all along. Arguably, the only thing the USP ever needed to "modernize" was a 1913 rail, interchangeable backstraps, and maybe an optic cut. They got it right the first time and created the ultimate future-proof hammer pistol and it's like they're ashamed of it. The Glock and USP came out around the same time and despite both of them being universally beloved and vetted in extreme hard use, the USP has never escaped the 90s while the Glock is the golden standard with only minor changes throughout the decades to keep up with the times.
You could argue the P2K is the "modern" USP but HK doesn't even like acknowledging that one exists either. They're all in on the VP9. Congrats HK, you built a firmly OK-tier striker.
Couldn’t agree more thanks for the comment man!
Been carrying a Glock 21 gen 3 for work for years, which I love and will never sell, but I'll only buy hammer-fired from here on out.
This is coming from a company that prides itself on not selling too the poors but will to government agency or special operations units. They know what the USP is and what it can do but the thing is, the cost of making them especially with updated options would be much higher then the old ones. A usp45 tac with 1913 rail red dot cut and some better sights for the red dot would fetch for atleast the high 1k to 2k range. Hell just a old tac cost that much and finding one at this point is getting slim
@@FirearmFreedom On July first, FL will be another permit-less carry state. Thanks, in part, to our governor. For decades, Floridians have been carrying guns concealed, after getting a permit. Floridians with carry permits commit fewer crimes than those with no permit. I am thinking we may have been better off if we had left it like it was. After decades, it has proven to work well. We will see what happens. I know, if ONE person does something stupid, it will be all over the national news. Even if the overall results are great. The fact is, they want our guns for the same reasons Hitler took the Jews' guns. FDR was the first to go after our guns. He also refused to save any Jews. Read The Jews Should Keep Quiet. By Rafael Medoff. A great novel about freedom is John Grit's Feathers on the Wings of Love and Hate. Let the Gun Speak. All patriotic Americans should support both those authors. Amazon has been known to shadow ban conservative books.
I think it is b/c the Glock takes Glock mags and the USP doesn't
🙂
Can’t go wrong with either. I have big hands and the USP 45 still feels like a brick to me. I prefer the ergos of the HK45 and I don’t mind the reduced capacity as I’m mainly a 1911 shooter so losing two rounds vs the USP is still two rounds gained vs my 1911s. So I’ll take the HK45 but I certainly wouldn’t kick the USP out of bed.
Nothing wrong with that! Thanks for the comment
Thanks for the video.
I prefer the USP version because it can share magazines with my HK USP Elite 45.
Nothing wrong with that I usually end up leaning that way as well. Thanks for watching!
The first gun that my hands ever felt at home on was a USP45.
The double stacked Para’s felt good as well. And I know that this is a very personal thing but I’ve tried many firearms and my hands are very comfortable on my USP.
I picked up a 2011 not too long ago. And I got that same feeling. I’ve been shooting a long time. The placement my hands get on both of these guns make me want to shoot them more and more.
As always ymmv.
Nice! Ya I agree the 2011s are tough to beat for overall comfort I just wish they weren’t as pricey lol
Its nice to hear someone else finds the USP45 comfortable. I love the way it feels to hold and shoot.
Great video! I prefer the HK45, but I am a southpaw shooter, so the improved ergonomics really matter to me. That said, I need to get a USP (and Mk23 while we're at it) because all of these HK pistols are top tier quality.
Totally understand that! Thanks for watching 🤙🏻
You can get magazine extensions as well as magazines that hold up to 15, 17 and 24rds for each pistol from HK, albeit expensive as with a lot of HK magazines
Ya I was looking at those as well they don’t look to terrible
Both are fantastic pistols.
I personally choose the HK45. As someone who is/was primarily a 1911 stan. Capacity has never been an issue for me. If I wanted a 45acp pistol with capacity. I would buy an FNX45 which is 15+1. Putting both the USP & HK45 to shame.
Ergonomics & pistol control are the top two things I look for in a 45acp handgun. I personally carry a 45c (8+1). Small hit on ergo, but gain a slight edge in concealability while still being easy to control and feel comfortable. The 8+1 I'm use to because, that's all I've carried for years. I don't need to carry truck loads of ammo to feel more safe. I always have the option to toss in another 8rd mag in a holder too. The flat plate 45c 8rds are tiny. So that's 16+1.
USP is still nice, but it's like the old jaded record vinyl DJ's shaking their fists at CDJ DJ's. Vinyl has that nice analog sound to it that gets everyone all warm & fuzzy. CDJ's have better options and are more versatile. It's great to reminisce on and enjoy. But antiquated.
Newer tech, better options for accessorizes, better ergo, easier concealment. HK45/45c wins.
Great points thanks so much for taking the time to write out all that and for watching the video!
I own an fnx 45 tactical and it is constantly jamming on fmj ammo. Hollow points function ok but hard to trust it.
@@FirearmFreedomnah. USP45 all the way.
@Peylix old and jaded? Lol
20% more capacity is critical in this day and age - capacity isn’t everything but when you look at the FNX tactical, that’s not even in the running for professional high capacity 45s because of the complicated fire control mechanism in the lack of ability to work on them hence they have not been adopted. In early pistol trials.
Best review I have seen on these two guns. Thank-you so much. I am deciding between these exact two guns right now. I was and am still leaning towards the UPS as well. Newer isn't always better!
Had a similar issue. I bought an HK45 late last year from a big chain store and I noticed that the mags were not coming out as smoothly as any of my other HK variants. I sold the gun and recently found a cool deal on an HK45 from Germany. The German HK45 mags fly out similar to the USP, they crank out. Seems like the store bought HK45 was getting caught at the mag well, due to it slightly being narrower. Wish I still had both to compare.
Ya not really sure why mine still does it occasionally, thanks for the comment I appreciate it!
That interesting, I have an HK45C and a USPC 45 and the mags fly out of both. I almost bought the full size but I'm happy to be able to use the same mags and in most instances the same holster.
I own a HK45 an HK45c. I have absolutely no issues with mag ejection. Both were produced in the USA and are great guns. I also have a German made P30sk, which is fantastic!
Ergonomics, rail, and left handed shooter friendly features gives the HK45 the edge for me. I also like the aesthetics it shares with the P30 series.
The USP tactical is a MUCH smoother shooting and better shooting gun, oh yea and the USP tactical is made in Germany with is a huge W for almost every HK collector like me. I own and shoot both but I enjoy the USP much more than the HK45.
Thats fair but for me id rather have 2 more rounds and a more shootable gun. The rail mount does urk me though
USP 45 is also my choice between the two models, but, I own a Walther PPQ M2 45, and I am very pleased with it. Also, it costs quite a bit less money 😎
Hey nothing wrong with that man that’s also a great gun, thanks for the comment!
What's funny is that in my city, I searched all the gun stores for an M1911 style 45. I didn't care what brand as long as it was reputable but I couldn't find a single one that was NOT $1K! I was about to give up when I swung by the mom and pop shop that sold me my Glock. Same deal there, but waitaminute! What's this!? A H&K USP, the Lara Croft gun! The owner said it was under $900. I picked it up. I was expecting it to feel heavy but ze Germans of course take ergonomics very seriously. It felt solid in the hands despite the size. The dual function safety was no issue, I just carry it cocked and locked at home. Although left handed, my dad wisely trained me to use guns right handed. Even then, it was easy to shoot with either hand because of the unusual lever mag release. This is a BIG gun so it was a bit of a stretch to release the mag with my thumb. I found that I could just use my trigger finger to push down from the OTHER side. After a few trips to the range I got used to it. Accuracy seemed abysmal and I was thinking "Isn't H&K known for accurate guns?" I realized a few months later that I had been so excited that I forgot some guns need a break-in period. Eventually, the groups slowly started getting better and soon it was pumping out 2" 4-shot groups with crappy ammo like there was nothing to it. I'm sure people will like the H&K 45 just as much but I'll stick with my USP. It has grown on me and has proven to be totally reliable. I don't have to worry or freak out if I forget to clean it. I usually put about 200 rounds through it before a cleaning and even then, it always functioned flawlessly.
Looking for a full size .45 and probably will get a USP but was interested in the PPQ45 due to being a previous owner of a PPQsc and PPS. Would be interested to hear the difference you think between them.
@@largol33t1guess you missed the Springfield 1911A1.
@@largol33t1 Get a Tisas 1911 BR 45 Duty or Compact. A phenomenal 45 ACP handgun at an affordable price. Best kept secret around 😎
I originally had a Mark 23. It’s my holy grail range gun. I didn’t feel a need to get a USP45 after having a MK23. Then I got the HK45C for concealability. In the end I also ended up getting an HK45. I just really love the ergonomics and grip on it. It’s not as chunky as a USP45 and carries two more than a 1911. I feel it’s a good full size compromise. That you can also carry if you had too.
That is very true the ergos definitely are nice. Thanks for the comment!
Still chasing my holy grail the mark 23 someday I will own one
The HK45 Tactical is considerably less expensive, I suspect because it has less demand for it. You can find them between $850 and $900 pretty easily. The USP45 Tactical is going to run you $1400 to $1500, when you can find them. The HK45 is going to be easier to find holsters and accessories for, certainly easier to find lights and lasers for on the more standardized pic rail. The USP45 Tactical can be a bitch to find holsters for, esp if you want a light bearing holster for it, since there was only a few lights that fit HK's "universal" rail, and they all suck. If you run an adapter, like the GG&G, so you can throw a Surefire on your HK, you are going to limit yourself to custom kydex. Another big and unpleasant surprise might be magazine cost. HK Parts has USP45 12 rounders and HK45 10 rounders for under $50. But if you want the 13 round HK45 mags, they are going to run you about $110. If you're like me and like to have at least half a dozen mags, running 13 round HK45 mags to compete with the standard 12 round mags of the USP is going to cost you an extra $360+. That is going to significantly reduce the initial cost advantage of the HK45. I am right handed but left eye dominant, so I shoot left handed. Growing up this way, I got used to manipulating the mag release with the left index finger and simply racking the slide rather than using the slide release. This allows much better cross training across different pistols, since prior to 2010 or so, ambi mag and slide releases really weren't a thing. I think the one control that HK could have really benefited from making ambi on the HK45 is the one they, for whatever reason, choose not to; the safety. So the Gen Zérs might appreciate those features on the HK45 a little bit more. I don't personally see it as a big deal and am fine with the controls on the USP, since I have to get an ambi safety for either of them. And then we get to the intangibles. The USP had a lot of hype when I was in college. Growing up in the 90s and early 2000s, the USP was a big deal. I grew to associate it with quality and the aesthetics just appeal to me. I like the ergonomics because I have big hands and normally carry a full size frame Glock, so for me, between the two, I would probably go with the USP 45 Tactical.
Man thanks so much for the write up I’m sure a lot of people will find it helpful, I appreciate the comment!
Thanks for the info, very underrated. To the USP Hipsters looking for a holster, just man up and order custom kydex. Coming from a USP45T owner himself. 💅
@@ClaymanFlames from what company
Less demand but also less complexity in the manufacturing.
Can the slides be swapped??? 😮
A few years ago I was considering getting the full size HK45 over the compact version because the grip reminds me of my VP9, but when I actually held the HK45CT V1 at a gun store I was surprised at how much I liked the straight compact grip so I got that instead. I fits my hands perfectly. A little less capacity but overall I love it. Got it for 650 at Cabelas. Came with raised sights, a threaded barrel and 3 10-round "hoof" mags, but I also have a flush 8 rd mag and a non threaded barrel I can swap out for comfortable conceal carry. I also picked up a 12 round mag from hkpartsnet store and I think now they might have larger mags like 13+, not sure. Haven't checked in a couple years. It hasn't malfunctioned once and I typically just shoot 230gr FMJ ammo out of it. If the USP45 was a little more affordable I might've chosen that instead at the time, but I was on a budget. I don't regret my purchase one bit though, in fact, if I could go back and do it again I would. I think I might even like it better than the full size and the USP, especially in its Mark24 mod0 configuration, it looks badass.
Nice! You can’t beat that at all!
But at the end of the day they’re both great firearms to have in a self-defense and offensive scenarios The best method I found is to use your trigger finger when reloading and they also make aftermarket paddle magazine releases if you need a larger paddle when you’re rotating between shooting hands that’s what makes them such a great firearm
Very true, thanks for the comments!
The magazine ejection force is generated from the pressure of the magazine spring on the follower. It’s a mag issue, not gun issue.
Ah great point thanks for the comment!
The mags for my usp all rattle in the gun, that's the only reason they drop free, I feel like I will eventually have feed issues
I've had a USP 45 for 20 years. I finally bought a Safariland holster for it.
not my ideal carry but I do have the option.
it's a great gun but my go-to will always be the 1911. the 1911 just fits my hand like it was made for it.
Nothing wrong with that, thanks for the comment!
I have the HK45 and USP Elite. Both I have put Talon Grips on because they move in my hands during recoil. I use the HK45 with a light as my night stand gun. I need to get a threaded barrel for the HK45. Once in a way I get the magazine issue, not all the time. Nice comparison.
Thanks so much for the comment and the support man! I appreciate it!
Got the P30S, 9mm & USP Tac .40S&W. I like the bulkier USP far more. I'm also the type of guy that Loves holding my blocky Cobray M11. I just love big, blocky guns over smaller ones. Wish I had an HK Mark 23. 💪
Nothing wrong with that I love the blocky 80s guns as well! Thanks for the comment
I agree, I’d rather have the 2 extra rounds! 😊
I think it’s definitely a benefit 👌🏻 thanks for the comment!
Love my 45C, but the next 45 I'm getting is going to be the USP.
Nothing wrong with that! Thanks for the comment!
Honestly the grip on the 45c and the P2000 is better than the "ergo" grip of the HK45. I wish HK would release the prototype version of HK45 that had the same grip as the 45C. I also think HK should've tried harder to fit the USP magazine into the HK45, instead of using a longer compact magazine body, which takes away 2 rounds. I also don't like that they used the Compact recoil buffer in the HK45 vs the real one in the USP.
Good information. I am going to purchase the USP 45, but for carry I am going to purchase a P30 L. When I was a police officer with the DOD, we went to 40s, and I have become a big fan (I have no use for 9mm). When concealing, the barrel length is not a problem, where the length of the grip is. Eventually, I want to purchase an HK 45C tatical for carry as you can get an extended 10 mag, and it is a good gun for concealing.
Fantastic demonstration all the differences
Thank you!
Could you do an Update part 2:
USP 45 Elite and USP 9 Expert review.
I love 6" barrel pistols.
Maximum site radius and ballistics matter to me.
Yes , i wont give up my G17L Gen3.
Good presentation 👍👍
That would be a solid video for sure, if I can ever get my hands on one I will most definitely do a video!
I got a uspC that i put a threaded barrel on, hexagonal cuz its a german one. Id love to see someone compare a real uspCT to a frankengun like mine. Love HK, love your vid.
That would be a cool comparison, thanks so much for the comment!
Where did you buy that barrel from?
If you don't like the USP 45 mag release I believe that you can replace it with the HK45C release, which is a little larger.
All great points thank you so much for the comments man!
It is a nice upgrade. I swapped mine. It is an easy change.
Really enjoying the meprolight night sights for the USP45T. Getting one of my 3 USP45Ts milled for an RMR
Been wanting to get my usp 45 compact milled to place a rds on. Trying to find a gunsmith that will do it, I know it's not the easiest and can cause damage to the slide that can cause it to no longer function properly. I've had my eye on a sheild RMSc. I'd want to attach it directly to the slide and not use a plate. Price is the biggest hold up cause with the rds price and the milling price your looking at upwards of 600 to 700 depending on the red dot that you go with. For that price, you could get a new firearm completely or even a surpressor for my usp. Would I rather a decked out usp or a new FN 509 or I could be halfway to getting a ptr91 that I've had on my bucket list of guns. The Decisions.....decisions.... Decisions.
Nice!
Excellent comparison, very detailed.
Thank you I appreciate your feed back!
Prosecutor: “so you say he presented a lethal threat and that’s why you shot him. But why were you walking toward him if he was deemed a lethal threat?”
because the USP is an 'offensive' pistol not a 'defensive' pistol.
The Paddle Magazine release is the best on the market. I love my USP Tactical mag release. The release on the HK30L and VP9sk are just as good. I ran P7M8 and M13s for years.
Whatever made them think decreasing. Capacity was okay, they were mistaken.
I agree 😂
So it was in 2004-2005 when the army was looking into changing from the M9 to a .45. Everyone submitted a gun, Beretta PX4, M&P, Sig, Glock. HK made a new pistol because the USP grip would not fit most women's hands and that was part of the contract so HK reduced the grip. The HK45's grip is similar in size to a Glock 17. That's why.
It was made for delta force, they actually tried to make a hk 1911, with bushingless barrel, external extractor...but instead, they decided to make a "less blocky usp", with the rounded slide from the usp elite(to help with holstering), and less capacity to help with ergonomics. As far as I know it had nothing to do with the 2005 joint combat pistol originally.
I heard something about holsters. Got mine easy from HK Parts for the USP. But yea elsewhere sucks
I chased USP’s, but at the prices now I’m done. The HK 45 models and also the P30 line rock!
That is very true unfortunately the USP prices have been truly insane. They are getting past the point of being a good option in the price range. Compared to the HK 45 and p30
Agree, I really want a USP but going for $1,400-$1,500 is pretty much not a option anymore. Yes they are an awesome platform with great history, but when you can get 2 to 3 polymer guns for the price of this 1 "polymer" gun. I'm not going to be shooting 50k rounds, need that USP name or 2 more rounds to justify that cost...
And the HK45 honesty has damn near the reliability of the USP with a 1913 rail and better egros...at close to half the cost...
@@swiftbear definitely a tough call!
@@swiftbearI mean I bought both of mine gently used on GB for $900 or less. Only the tacticals are around the $1400 range that I’ve seen
I have a USP 9 I bought in 1994 after trying a P7 and a Glock. It felt fine in my small hands, the others felt like bricks. Recently I bought a HK45; all great guns, but the grips are a little better on Walther’s offerings, from the P99 to the PDP.
Excellent analysis. I have owned a USP Tactical . 45 for (perhaps) 25 years. IMHO, it is a superb firearm for its intended purposes. In fact, the only substantive change I would make to it would be better grip ergonomics, specifically a small-medium-large interchangeable back-straps. However, when the USP series was first designed, tested and produced, this now largely adopted autoloader feature wasn’t available on any semiautomatics (as far as I know). So in aggregate, I award the USP Tactical .45 an “A+;” it is, I believe, equally superior to the P7 series - which is saying a great deal - although obviously the designs’ purposes greatly differ.
Both are great but I prefer the USP with two extra rounds and the dual recoil spring.
When considering the USP Compact vs the HK 45 Compact, I think the Hk 45 Compact wins with better ergonomics.
I would agree I think the USP is generally superior 🤙🏻
Great video. I’m a 3 dot sight kind of guy.
Nothing wrong with that man I appreciate the comment!
Why is it when there is a article about HK firearms there's always people that turnaround compare them to a Glock HK firearms are built like a tank and are the most reliable guns that there is peroid
I couldn’t agree more
Absolutly great video totally exellent points very well put together i have the usp expert and the hk compact tactical I have run the hk45 tactical and needed to put a weighted plus on the mag from hk parts it fixed the sticking issue It was about $45 dollars. `
I may have to try that out to fix my sticking issue, thanks for the comment and the support!
My vote is for the USP 45 T. It is a proven design, with the extra capacity and it is made in Germany. If you already have a standard HK USP 45, the Tactical barrel will work in it.
I own a HK45 and have shoot a lot of times the USP .45. I still like both, but the HK45 has better ergonomics for me. Capacity might be a point for some people. I have a +2 extension on every mag.
I had never an issue with the decocker while firing recoil extensive loads like .45 Super out of my HK45. And for your information, the barrel has also a polygon rifling as the USP.
It's sad that HK doesn't further improve these kind of handguns with such as a Match Triggers for the HK45 or if you buy a new gun (USP, P30, HK45) that it comes with a red dot cut - such as the VP9 OR. That would be great. Other than these 2 points I'm really happy with my HK pistol.
Nothing wrong with that man I appreciate the comment!
Usp is king of all as far as durability. No other last as long not even my beloved 92 . Parts on usp will outlast anyone from just shooting .
I completely agree it’s a great gun 🤙🏻
The 10 round hk45 mags can actually take 11 rounds and run with a plus 1. Just FYI In case you didn't already know that.
Huh interesting I never really tried squeezing an additional round in there.
Both! Hahaha. That being said, the USP has a better trigger, shoots better, and has a higher capacity. However, the one I carry when I hike is the hk45. Why? Smaller, lighter, and I treat the USP like a safe queen.
These are all very true statements! Lol I completely agree thanks for the comment
I own a MK 23 and USP Tactical 45 and looking to add a HK 45 Compact Tactical to HK collection
Nice not a bad line up at all!
Did I miss it, but no talk about the triggers? The USP's match trigger is far superior to anything on the Hk45.
You know I didn’t really touch on that but I completely agree it is a far better trigger
Do you ever experience suppressor walking off with these H&k metric left hand barrels?
Hmmm it’s not impossible but it’s definitely more rare considering it should be tightening upon shooting rather than loosening
The USP is just a classic. HK45 is the remix that is still nice, but it'll never match the classic.
I could not agree more dude, definitely a good way to put it 🤙🏻
Hackathorn and Vickers must have had some pretty specific design ideas in mind with the HK45 as “improvements” over the USP.
Funny Larry Vickers is now a convicted felon, prohibited possessor. What a fool.
The usp just has better lines .
I would have to agree with you on that one
Wow. At 2:48 this guy can aim and shoot hella good.
How do you get that good and that fast?
Have 2 USP now and had a third before (sorry I sold it). Just an awesome feeling hand gun. Hard to explain why its so great.
Nice! I couldn’t agree more they are excellent!
The HK-45 is a shoe-in if you’re a lefty.
It’s going to be my next purchase after I get a Python.
That’s true!
Do another on the HK45T
I am definitely gonna have to do an upgrades video soon!
Where did you find your usp light compatable holster from?
Well the reason why I held off in saying anything is because I still haven’t received it yet so before I actually see it in person I want to make sure that it actually exists and looks good.
Mark 23
Yep.The holy grail of .45’s.
Your comment is what I call a pro gamer move 😂🤣 I agree
Question for everyone before I submit my reply to this video. I see that the presenter has the HK45T V1 with adjustable sights. I heard that HK mostly moved to fixed sights for the HK45T. Why would they do that on a model meant to be shot both suppressed and unsuppressed? It's annoying for me, because it's way easier to find the V1 Tactical on gunbroker with fixed sights than adjustable. Unless I'm missing something, adjustable sights make far more sense for a gun that will switch between suppressed and unsuppressed use. I'd like to own an HK45T in the V1 safetly/decocker configuration (unless the USP45T wins me over!) eventually, but I'd like to make an informed choice as far as the sights are concerned. On to my response:
Both are great guns. It's fair to be bummed about the lower capacity (I heard years ago that HK might make a higher cap mag, guess that didn't happen), but the HK45 controls (bigger mag release, longer safety that can be set up ambi or on either side, ambi, lower profile but super functional slide releases) are all around better from my impression. I've never had a problem accidentally decocking the HK45 (I always slip my thumb under the safety and keep it there, though) or dropping mags even from a near-90 degree angle.
There's nothing wrong with the USP's blocky grip in my view, though I like Glocks, including the .45 ACP G30 and 21 (Gen 4, so SF), so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I think that wide grips can contribute to a feeling of being soft-shooting. That said, the HK45's vase-like grip is designed to fill your hand just right, tapering as it does toward the top and bottom and the HK45 shoots very nicely. I don't think you lose much, if anything, and you gain the HK45's improved (lowered) bore axis for less muzzle flip. The HK45 does have more of a 1911 than Glock (or insert your favorite beefy, rectangle-shaped grip pistol here) feel in the hand due to its slimness and grip angle. One should note, however, that its curves and shaping distinguish it from slab-sided 1911s (even with undercuts here and there) and make for a *very* comfortable and confidence-inspiring feel. I have large hands, but it's definitely noticeable how my hands engage the HK45 a little better than, say, a G21 or FNX 45. I'd say the HK45 grip conforms to the hand just a little better than that of the 1911, but it's close. Let's be honest, all of these grips, fat and blocky, slim and blocky, slim but curved and contoured, etc. work pretty well as long as they're usable for YOUR hand in the context of the entire pistol's layout and shooting characteristics.
Less reciprocating mass on a pistol is a good thing, by the way. It means less mass slamming into the gun and its recoil system and less mass producing movement in the pistol as it cycles. Every test of the HK45 so far indicates excellent durability. The fact that we have info on the Federal ammo USP45 with an unbelievable round count is very lucky. Neither the HK45 or USP45 are super commonly used guns, so reports like that are rare indeed. I think that it's fair to say that both guns are pretty well "bomb-proof," to take a phrase from pistol-training.com's impressive test of the HK45.
I don't know if the USP buffer system is actually better than that on the 45--nobody does. As stated previously, both guns have done very well in testing and use. The spring *sounds* like a better, higher-quality part, but is this proven empirically? Perhaps it makes no difference in the lifespan of the recoil assembly, perhaps it does. We don't know.
Pick the gun that feels and shoots the best for you . Consider the features that each brings to the table, but focus on the overall feel and especially shooting and control manipulation. They're both fine, functional pistols, so choose what works better for you and don't worry too much. And if they both shoot pretty similarly, look to see if you're overlooking any aspect of the shooting/handling. It might be something that you compensate for and isn't immediately obvious. Are you stretching a little to hit a control? Is your grip repeatable, comfortable, and secure through shooting and mag changes? Is it hard to get your hand and trigger finger in the proper position repeatedly and in different contexts? How fluent is your trigger stroke on both?
If both guns are still even afterward, go with which appeals to you more based on feel, appearance, features, etc. You'll probably have made the right choice.
Saw you weren’t getting slide lock with the USP. Not sure how you are doing that. For me when I drive the safety down it keeps my hand lower which protects the slide release
Ya for me I consistently find myself riding the slide release with the length of my thumbs
Love my HKs but they are stingy asf on capacity
This is true they do tend to be 🤣
Do the 9mm usp, the 2015+ version
If I can get my hands on one I definitely will!
I think the USP Family overall is much more worthy, than the SFP / HK45. Not that these guns are bad, but it's just pretty obvious, that there's so much engineering in the USP family, coming from the MK23. The newer Generation with SFP / HK45 are just "updates" for smaller hands imho. Most ppl with smaller hands had problems to get a good grip with the USP guns.
I would pick any USP ALWAYS over the SFP / HK45 Gen...
Only great benefit is the fit of todays lights / holsters, but that's not the end of the world! ^^
I couldn’t agree more thanks for the comment!
I disagree already on multiple points. Not a single person I put the HK USP in their hands chose it over an HK45. HK45 looks better "subjective", feels better, better magazine release, recoil system updated-simplified, more slender grip, 11 rounds is more than most 1911's. Has a Picatinny rail and with LEM trigger, no trigger squeeze or slip issue, IMHO better than the DA/SA option. There are holster options and best of all cost HUNDREDS of dollars less. I own 3 P series and 3 USP series, so its not like I don't own them. The only thing I wish I could do is put a stronger spring if I chose to in my HK45, but for the .45 Supers I've shot I've had zero issues. I'm not saying a HK USP isn't good, I just think for 99% of us it really isn't needed, diminishing returns IMHO.
Very valid comment, I do appreciate your points. Thanks man!
USP 45 for me. Why? Cause that's what I own. Then again, I'm older than dirt. I'd like to find a HK45 magazine release, for my USP. I grabbed some Solum Tool base plates, to add additional capacity to my magazines. Stay away from the Promag magazines. Complete crap, IMO. Thanks for the share!!
Thanks for the comment and those are some solid upgrades!
@@FirearmFreedom I put the TLR-3 on that pistol. Along with Mepro night sights. You can find holsters for the USP 45, with the TLR-3. At least, I did. Thanks again!
@@stevenkennedy4130 nice that’s good to know I may have to look for some 🤙🏻
I just saying the USP is superior because you have aftermarket magazines that hold 20 and the usp is thicker
USP fans are weirdly defensive of their guns.Dudes tout that two extra rounds like it’s 10 more.I don’t own either but both are two of the best .45 caliber pistols ever made without a doubt.
I do agree it’s definitely a nit pick but I was trying to really break them down 😂🤣
I agree. They should’ve stuck with the USP
It is most definitely a better option!
Like both.
This is true 🤙🏻
Great video. Now rate all of them versus a G21
That’s a tough one I absolutely love the 21 I may have to do that video 👀😂
Quietly lays FNX 45 tac on the table
@@matthewkobielus2656 yes 🤣
Would you ever consider getting an optics cut on the USP? I just ordered a tactical a couple of days ago and I am on the fence about getting my cut.
Ehh I probably wouldn’t on this one although it would be cool!
Bro youre surgical with those thangs !!
Thanks man I appreciate it!
looks like you shoot with your thumb over the decocker instead of under it.. that's why it decocked on you in the middle of firing
This is why I did that however for me I can’t get a great grip with my thumb under the decocker.
would your opinions be the same if they were the compact versions? (if you know)
Hmmm that’s a tough call but I would say absolutely yes. For whatever reason the 45 compact is just not great for handling at the range compared to the USP compact
Not sure this question is in the comments, but what sights do you have on these pistols?
On the HK45 they are nice XS sights and the USP has just the blacked out factory sights
Call me crazy, getting one of my USP45’s milled for an RMR
Not crazy at all that’s definitely a vibe lol
Been thinking about going down the same route. Just trying to find the right shop and what rds I wanna go with. Any suggestions on a rds? Hope your able to get yours done with no complications. Also, is your usp a full or compact?
USP will always be their premier model. Oldest and still the best.
Couldn’t agree more!
Great video thank you
trained on a P8 in th Bundeswehr back in the days and i think i would give the improved ergonomics a shot
USP MASTER RACE. USP all day every day. It's not even up for debate.
Couldn’t agree more lol
Difficult to find holsters for the HK 45 .
Very true!
Check out Odin holsters, big help for the hk community
What kind of holster did you get?
Is the hk45 supposed to be able to shoot the heavier loads(like 45 super)?
They actually both can shoot 45 super according to HK
The current HK is a beautiful evolution of the USP. & the USP did not even need to evolve it was relatively perfect. Both, is better.
I couldn’t agree more with your comment, they are both great guns!
can h&k 45 tactical pistol shoot 45 =p or 45 super ammo
It can actually shoot both!
I bought the USP 45T. Don't like finger grooves.
Nothing wrong with that!
HK's biggest problem are their customers. No matter what new thing they do, their most loyal customers will tell them "That's cool and a nice gun, but I like this one you designed 20-50 years ago" and they still have to make and sell MP5s and USPs. And that is why I think they hate their customers.
Eh surprisingly I’m my experience dealing with their customer service it’s always been a pretty stellar experience. But I do understand your point!
@@FirearmFreedom Yeah, it's totally overblown in that regard. But still, it's probably a significant contributing factor to why there is no civilian version of the MP7.
@@IRUKANJI very true lol!
Nicely done 👍
Thank you!
So what’s the holster that you found that works with the USP Tactical?
Black Rhino Concealment
Neither I’ll stick with my fnx45 tactical and G41 MOS
Nothing wrong with that!
USP45T all day long.
I would have to agree with you!
Usp 40 hk45 the way to go😉
Not a bad way to go at all!
I can only imagine the tears when you discovered a single stack .45 typically holds 7 rounds lol. The horror! And seriously....it's the gun's problem that you like to eject magazines horizontally? I don't own either of these, so I have no dog in this fight but JFC dude.
Any update regards duty / EDC holster for HK USP 45 🫡🫡
Hey man! So unfortunately no I was super excited and was told it’s being made but we are approaching two months, this was why I wanted to hold off before saying anything on it. Hopefully it’s still coming and I will update you guys the moment I get it in!
@@FirearmFreedom thank you much for the update, have a blessed day and a wonderful week with your family. Keep it coming with the videos because they’re made amazing with information and educational
@@Fernandezx7 thanks so much man I seriously appreciate that!
I think if someone is considering their first H&K Ièd go with the USP 45 or P30L. After all for most law abiding civiliiians our guns are 'range-only' guns. Letès get REAL. Just need a reliable gun that goes BANG every time.
Mags not dropping freely---not a big deal to me a I donèt believe we should ever let htem fall to the ground. Whether at the range or in our FIRST defenive 'situation'. Pull it out and put it in your pocket....or on the table....if at the range....why risk damaging themÉ Not cheap. More so if it was a 2011 mag....
The Expert is so unnessary for civilians....not realy wortht he extra almost $800 (up in Canada)....vs a USP 45..
Good points thanks for the comment!
Own both and really can't decide which one I like better. I shoot them both the same and can't tell a difference in recoil. If I had to pick one for the "do it all" it would be the HK45. It's easier to carry, has a light rail, magazines have a rubber pad. USP with the hard plastic floor plate makes me squeamish about dropping them on hard surfaces. And with the HK45, it's only two rounds you're given up. Practice mag changes. If I wanted more capacity, I'd go with something chambered in 9mm Beretta 92 or SIG P320.
Solid points! Thanks so much for the comment!
Same gun wit slide cuts
Ehh not really especially when it comes to the internals
If HK would pull their head out their ass and make a USP with a light rail it would make the gun relevant and on top the food chain again.
If they added a milled slide for optic then it becomes the #1 military/ LEO gun again…imo
No clue why they don’t update it. It’s so vastly superior to all their other line.
I agree that the HK45 is a step back. They wanted to cut production costs and produce in the US. The USP is more complicated to produce and in US would have been way more expensive. So they really just cheapened up the gun to remain competitive in the market. They made a mistake !!! The USP, made in Germany will always be more desireable.
Nice guns man