London’s Transport Revolution: The New Works Programme
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This is it, lads. The Big One. The New Works Programme.
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Modernisation plans that end up late, over budget, and even cancelled. Now where have I heard that before? Oh yes, yesterday's paper!
Ha! Very right. More precisely, a certan ill-kempt, posh-speaking and Greek philosophy-quoting Tory Prime Minister with his head in the clouds of the good old British Empire and little concept of anything north of Watford. Does anybody spring to mind? Gone now. THERE IS A GOD! 🙏🙏😊
During The Blitz my grandfather, a London bus driver, discovered one of the route limitations of diesel buses - he diverted around a big bomb hole (with obligatory bus parked in it) only to convert his double deck bus into a single deck bus. I am glad to report that the only casualty was his pride.
Ah yes... The bridge too near problem. In height that is. Good thing only his pride was the casualty.
Glad to know he didn't double-park.
@@mkendallpk4321 Nice pun. Really the bridge's fault for being too low - rather like the train driver questioned for going too fast round curves who said "Dang, they oughtn't to put so many curves in the road"
@@iankemp1131 Thank you. It just seemed so appropriate.
Did he give Roger Moore lessons for that famous sequence in Live And Let Die?
The 1938 stock was so elegant and I am pretty sure that rode some of them before they went out of service.
"Transport authorities went off their trolley". Mr H, you have a talent for finding le bon mot, as you dwellers south of the channel no doubt say. Really interesting. All good stuff, and certainly nothing to wine about. Thank you. Simon T
As an American, I must say that I believe that the London Underground is the best mass transit system that I have ever used. I live about 75 miles out of New York City and I firmly believe that the Underground is the best I have ever used. Extremely well organized, and easy to use. I also want to say how much I love your videos. Many thanks from New England.
One of my early 5 year old memories was being met at the School gate by my Father, we (my Brother and I and Father) went to St Pancras Church on the bus and got on a tram down Southampton Row and down the Kingsway tunnel that came out on the Embankment. My Father wanted us to experience the London Trams before they ceased operation. Probably days later Tram service ended in London and they were gone, a memory I thank my late father for!
What a great memory to have. I missed out on the last trams in Glasgow, being born just two months after they finished. Only "proper" tram networks I've experienced are Blackpool and some classic European cities; highlights included Szczecin and Tallinn. The night trams in Szczecin included some lovely, vintage vehicles. It was great to see them in everyday use, rather than "stuffed and mounted" in a museum.
The new systems, such as Edinburgh and Manchester just don't have the same feel about them. I can't help thinking, while sitting on a tram on Edinburgh's one line, how different the city would look if the former network was still in place. If only ........... 🤔
Similarly. my father took 6 year old me on one of the last trams through the Kingsway subway. Upstairs front seat, of course.
Do you know that the old Glasgow trams now run in Hong Kong?
@@peterdavenport8495 Yes indeed, on many business trips in the 1990s I spent many a happy evening riding up and down between the Western Market and the North Point ferry terminal. It was wonderfully cheap entertainment.
Melbourne's the place if you're into trams. Some real vintage vehicles still in use there last time I visited, but that was quite a while ago now. :-(
I love the 1938 Stock Underground trains; they're just so gorgeous! Moving works of art. Although even looking at the internal pictures you can kinda smell the tobacco smoke.
They did, of course, come out of the 1935 stock, od which a few were built, partly experimental.
Hear, hear! Best design and colour scheme ever.
"Got overtaken by events". You CAN mention the war Jago. You're not, ineptly, running an hotel in Torquay!!!
My Nan worked on the trolly busses. I can remember her telling me some great stories and she always said it was the best job she ever had 👍🏻
5:10 Jago missing an opportunity to mention Charles Yerkes? Surely not! Superb whistle-stop tour of the NWP Mr H.
I'm enjoying recognising your B-roll footage from previous video subjects e.g. Angel Road/Meridian Water, Barkingside, etc.
I contribute a friendly comment and within mere seconds that nice Mr H has liked it. That's almost faster than a London Transport New Works Programme! Thank you, Mr H.
Love your ad reads, so original.
Such a shame they got rid of the teams and trolly busses. Amazingly, for its population size at the time, Sydney had the second largest tram network.
The cats cradle of catenary at junctions like Bakers Arms in Leyton was a joy to behold. I remember the trolley buses, I'm not quite ancient enough to remember trams though. You could still see tram track on Whipps Cross Rd. in the 60s.
Ta.
I always looked out for the tram lines in Twickenham, even though they had succumbed to the trolleys pre-war. When going round trolleybus depots, collecting stock numbers, the maze of track pointwork outside the depots was fascinating. Although only enjoying my fifth summer in 1952, my tram rides were so memorable they ignited a lifelong love of that form of transport. One can still be sneered at for being a 'railway enthusiast' but no one knows how to reply when told one is a tram lover!
@@johnjephcote7636 They may accurately call you a "Gunzel" (Tram Enthusiast).
Here in Melbourne (Oz) our original tramways just keep on growing. 🙃
@@johnjephcote7636 Wiki again. You and I can, apparently, be accurately defined as "Ferroequinologists".
Who knew?..
There are still some old tram lines around Manchester from before they ripped most of them up after the war. You can see them here and there under poorly maintained suburban side streets where they surface has broken down or worn away over the years.
I've taken the tram in Blackpool,up to Fleetwood in one direction and down to Lytham St Annes in the other. The other place I can say I've been on the trams is Cologne,where the Rheinuferbahn train from Bonn runs on tracks in the streets once it gets into Cologne.
The vineyard at the beginning looks like Denbies Wine Estate in Dorking, Surrey.
Au contraire Mr Mottram, the war stopped the New Works Programme and then the austerity to the repay cost of the war and the need to repair the damage delayed things further. As Jago says much of it was done. That so much was done in such a short time - 1935-1940 is remarkable. The architecture, 1938 stock, RT bus and the trolleybuses were magnificent and way ahead of what was being done in other capital cities.
And it did in someways complement the 1952 Festival of Britain. By the end of WW2 both Frank Pick and Lord Ashfield had departed one way or another from London Transport, it says a lot that if the inspiration was theirs, the completion of it was carried out as well as could be done by their successors. There were challenges post 1949 as the British Transport Commission was trying to juggle the demands of London Transport Board and The British Railways Board both wanting renewals and so on with the capital money demands
“Gone off your Trolley….” Good one! Gotta remember that.
So… a large works project (Cc: HS2) didn’t meet budget, timeline, expectation & full fruition. YAHTZEE!
Here's a comment to help the algorithm recognise the inherent skill, talent and other stuff that is worthy of financial reward. Enjoy Jago, I did.
Love the trolley bus's, remembering the ones used at the Epsom Derby as mobile toilets...
Burnt Oak! *waves excitedly from the Watling estate"
Ugolin is inept at finding the source of the water on his own property, so no doubt he needs your help navigating the Internet. Luckily he has his VPN password sewn to his chest.
Wait a minute, a Jean De Florette reference? This channel is going up in the world!
Ah memories.As a young teenager I loved the trolleys,they were fast and clean,I hated diesel fumes from buses etc.Fullwelll depot and others were a boyhood haunt.So sad to see them scrapped.Bye the way was the vineyard near Dorking,Surrey?Thanks again for an excellent video.
It was indeed, well spotted!
Denbies?
@@JagoHazzard Oh good, you haven't deserted the UK after all!!
Have you ever done an overview of the loos at the stations? I've never seen one, but I have read that some were dismal and some were glorious representations of Victorian excess.
I hate sponsor ads but glad you're getting enough money for your work!
19 people just got their brains overloaded by the 2 minute mark & hit the dislike button out of anger / disappointment.
Akin to my reading of Prof Hawking's ABHOT, I'm going have to rewatch this a fair few times to take in all the information that I can.
As ever, thank you Jago, you are one amazing fella.
Over ARCING achievement - I saw what you did there, Jago!
Trouble with trolley buses is: they can't overtake one another. We had them in Wellington NZ till about a decade ago. They were always having their poles come flying off the power lines so that following traffic was brought to a standstill.
Being single-deckers, they presented a real danger at such times - one poor fellow was killed outright after being struck on the head by the end of a disconnected pole that happened to swing particularly low.
Yep really appreciate the video ! Can't wait for northern heights bit , thanks jago !
I wish I knew how Mornington Crescent was played
Carefully :)
I remember, as a small child, the 653 trolley bus, which became the 253 and latterly the 254. We moved away from Mile End Gate when I was 5, so it's a vague memory. I remember that some buses terminated at Mile End Gate and others continued to Aldgate. The driver had to get out of the bus and operate a lever on a support (a bit like points on a railway) so that the brushes on top of the bus would follow the correct path according to where the bus had to go.
Yooo taking sponsorships like the big youtube bois
Congrats!
I don't recall the details but part of the deal with the LNER for the Northern Heights resulted in the LNER owning some of the 1938 tube stock. More info in J Graham Bruce's "Tube Trains Under London" and probably in more recent works.
Did they have a pooling arrangement of fares, did it change when LNER was Nationalised ?
The Trolleybus museum in Sandtoft North Lincolnshire is well worth a visit. Not a huge ace but really fascinating
Interesting, I had no idea such a museum existed. I should pay it a visit.
Agreed it is well worth the visit.
@@JagoHazzard Also check out the East Anglia Transport Museum near Lowestoft. Which, at the last count, had 4 ex-LT trolleys in operation.
@@JagoHazzard They part got involved when SYPTE experimented with the idea of bringing back Trolleybuses with a new one (based on a Volvo? design) with a test area around Doncaster Racecourse - The former Doncaster Corporation Depot being adjacent thereto. SYPTE decided to invest in Trams instead. Bradford had been the last Trolleybus system, closing in 1972, and like Halifax really found that laden diesel buses did not like the hills of pennine yorkshire that much. Dont forget the Critch Tramway Museum too.
@@JagoHazzard And, of course, there's the extensive working tram museum at Crich, Derbyshire.
"by the mid 1940's London Transport had firmly gone off their trolleys" hahahaha 😂 😂😂
Some of the problems arose from workers strikes, and others came from the move to (car orientated) new towns post WW2.
This video was worth it just for the ad!
I see you have been playing the much-maligned solo version of "Mornington Crescent": I trust the triple reverse manoeuvre did not result in any injury.
As someone who lives on the northern line I’m so looking forward to the northern heights video
It’s going to be a big one, so it may take a while, but there will be plenty of other Northern Line videos in the meantime that have arisen from my research.
Might need two seperate videos for Northern Works - the line to Bushey Heath could probably justify one on its own.
Another interesting topic might be the GLC's attempt in the early 1980s to rebuilld the line to Ally Pally. I don't know much about this so I'm curious. I understand the scheme was thwarted by the good folk of Muswell Hill, who wanted a nature trail more than a train service.
@@richardmcgowan6383 ...and now complain about their poor train service - you just can't please some folk.
@@richardmcgowan6383 Was the idea to connect the Finsbury Park Moorgate Section To Highgate High Level , etc ?
@@highpath4776 To be honest, I don't know. I understand the proposal was some sort of light rail or tramlink. Maybe something like the DLR or Croydon. Logically, It would have met the Great Northern Electrics at Finsbury Park but I don't know whether the idea was to head on to Moorgate. I had a rummage on Google but I couldn't find any info. Maybe Jago Hazzard knows more.
As a kid in the sixties I rode on 1928 trains on the Bakerloo Line. One is now in the London Transport Museum. I loved riding on Routemaster buses, even the new version is nothing like they were, ding ding. 😊
Until a few years ago the Metropolitan Line was running trains as old as me, built in 1961. I remember the 1938 trains and those trains with little skirts on their bottoms, which I travelled on in the seventies.
Bring back those trolley buses! The new ones can run 'off line' for reroutes, and power outages, if need be.
No one wanted the messy overhead lines
Is it not just easier to just run a bus - whether hydrogen or electrically powered?
@@NCR5309 There are losses in the charging mechanism, and the additional weight of batteries.
@@NCR5309 London tried hydrogen before, it failed. My local council tried Hydrogen powered dustcarts, they blew up
@@highpath4776 I actually like them: it optically ties the city together, and makes everything feel connected.
Great video as always Jago. I'd love a video about Blake Hall and how a cental line tube station ended up being built in the middle of nowhere!!
That line is on my list - just got some logistics to sort before I film...
Or really, it was a station in the middle of nowhere that the Central Line took over. I remember going there to get souvenir tickets just before it closed in 1981, well before the rest of the Ongar branch. Train from Cambridge to Harlow Town and cycle. It may have been the landowner's quid pro quo for allowing the line through his estate in the 1860s.
Game over eh. Mornington Crescent was shown.
Doesn't count. Jago was in nip AND on a diagonal.
@@brianparker663 not so my friend, it's Wednesday
Exactly. The Wednesday Humph overules.
@@adamcrofts58 Curses! Even after many decades of playing, I still forget the "third working day commute" rule. Thanks for setting me right - you must be a Grand Master?
You have an absolutely wonderful channel.
Full of interesting facts and history. A perfect cup of tea.
Thank you. 👍
I remember the trolley busses running from Fulwell Depot in the 1960s. Just down the road from where I grew up.
Great series of videos that remind me of growing up in the Eastern suburbs in the 1950's and 1960's.
BTW, I knew a girl at school named Hazzard, and her father went to school with my Dad. It was great to see them greet each other at our school open day! Thanks for the memories 👍.
Don't know if I like the promotion for surfshark or the video content better.
Jago's sponsor ads are the only ones I don't skip or mute.
Hey Jago, have you thought about talking about LU's Rail Adhesion Trains? They're some little funny things, still using stock like D and 1962.
Thanks for this video Jago. It's always great to hear about the New Works Programme. It just demonstrates the huge pluses of investing heavily into public transport, and how that benefits everyone in the long-run. 👏🏾
1938 stock relegated to the Isle of Wight? Shouldn't that be promoted? Higher up (mainly above ground) and definitely prettier scenery!
According to 1938 stock rules, even without crossed diagonals, Mornington Crescent @4:48! Can I claim my prize? :-)
Does that rule apply in a non-leap year?
@@archstanton6102 depends if you're playing Trumpington's Variations
@@archstanton6102 Good question, but this is a direct Mornington Crescent, so probably applies in any year since 1938.
Need to be careful you don't put yourself in nip.
If I have never mentioned it previously, I love Liverpool Street station's design, although for visually beautiful I will suggest Margate station; I had to stop myself from saying Mainline, not Tube. I am clearly not London centric, not zi 🙄😳🙄
I had an interesting experience of the route limitations of trolley buses when I was in Athens in 1990. There was a bit of resentment going on against the sitting government with some public sector strikes and demonstrations. As I was heading off for the train at the Peleponnesos station, I got on a trolley-bus and then had to get off a couple of stops later as about 50 anarchists were sitting in the road. Walked to the station only to discover that there were no trains to Patras anyway.
And the bus would've ran them over?? lol I mean, if you find a bunch of people blocking your way, it doesn't really matter what means of transport you're using! As an Athenian, I get your point about trolley-buses, but the example was a bit off. Modern trolley-buses have diesel motors, in case they need to move outside their given routes. Personally, I love them to bits!
Nice glimpse of my old primary school right at the end :-)
Vaughan? I attended both Vaughan Infants & Junior schools before they moved to the new site.
@@ianthomson9363 Me too - just spent a small part of my last year (69) in the new building.
@@brianparker663 If you remember a teacher in the Infants school called Mrs Thomson, she was my Mum!
I do always so enjoy the way you put things
Superb! When I first half-glanced at the title and saw the thumbnail of the bus, I thought it was going to be about Aldenham Works - maybe a subject for the future? As for the Surfshark advert: well, if some advertising agency isn't knocking on your door to snap you up, then they're missing a trick!!
Monsieur Le You Tuber - that was most excellent!
Thank you, looking forward to many more. - Vineyard to London as a commute ? - Knackering. If only someone had built an intergrated network between the two locations. sigh.
He'll just hitch a ride with his airship pirate friends.
The Wine Line?
Vineyard to Waterloo - the Vindaloo line?
from lines ti vines eh, start a cooking channel, well you can see where I'm heading. Thanks again Jago for another interesting show
in the first 20 damn still trying to get that first comment, love the content Jago and the frequent up loads thumbs up
Great video I agree nwp was a good thing and we are still benefitting from it today.
Thanks again Jago !
The 1938 tube is my favourite.
Mornington crescent, I will be there in 2 weeks for the first time in 2 years(cheers covid ). Back home from Ireland to meet the mates for an evening of culture and sophistication.
Nice!
£42 million adjusted to 2021 would be approx £3.1 billion. Pretty reasonable considering the cost of major projects today! Are they too complicated, over engineered , too much bureaucracy?
Sadly, with the 1935-1940 Works Plan. the war intervened before it was all finished through delay from lack of materials and manpower, hence so mu ws delayed until the war ended. Then the priority was making good the patched up war damage. then there was a lack of money in finishing up the work.. Some of he Northern Heights was stymied because of the new Green Belt Plan which put the planned Northern terminus, Bushey, firmly in it, with no prospect of the sort of suburban sprawl which had followed pre-war UndergrounD extensions. There is a book, "By Tube beyond Edgware" by Tony Beard, which is invaluable for the history of this part of the Northern Heights scheme.
Remember trams at Paddington Green and the man with the long pole when the arms fell off the cables.
I never tire of seeing King's Cross. The scale of the entry arches and simplicity of the glass vault captures both "London and Transport".
Never dates, that design, does it? Hard to believe it was built as far back as 1852. A true classic.
And thanks to 21st century redevelopment, as Jago says, it looks better than at any time in living memory.
Your surfshark ad segment was so good I listened to it twice. Thank you for being you!
I wonder if the ride of the 1972 stock on the Bakerloo is specifically tuned to feel like 1938 stock
I see an RT in the thumbnail, I click.
Oh, and it's a Jago Hazzard video as well of course.
RTL ?
RTW467 . The Leyland Titan PD2 8ft Wide Chassis Vehicle. I think this family featured on the Leyland Adverts on the Front of Bus and Coach magazine of the 1950s, sometimes with the Flash - Bury a Tram with a Titan.
Your French Vineyard looks exactly the same as Denbies near Dorking. lol
sounds like you need a new playlist for all the aspects of the New Works Programme
Leyland and Shell persuaded Tram and Trolleybus entities to cast off electrically powered vehicles on the grounds that cheap imports of oil were overall better as the UK could sell its more expensive coal ( forgetting things like the cheaper giant German and Eastern Europe mines AND the eventual 1973 oil price rises.
'Relegated' surely you mean Promoted to the Isle of Wight
And people still say that Geoff Marshall hasn’t been to the Isle of Wight.
4:49 Nice half strile there to get out of knip.
Brilliant video and honestly agree that the New Works programme did see some success to it set the foundations for future lines
Is the Stanmore branch the only section to have been run by 3 different Underground lines? (Metropolitan Bakerloo, Jubilee). The East London line has been Metropolitan, East London and Overground.
And CONTIUATION; And it involved taking the streetcars[trams],out,plus the trolletbuses,in Brooklyn,and destruction of the Manhattan elevateds! Well part was also done,but the real headache,was the diversion of funds,that were to build the 2nd Avenue Subway,into other projects! Since it only took a century or so to build the line,by rights,the 2nd and 3rd Avenue els should been left in place. However the real estate developers,didn't see the future clearly,and things are only now,being realized 😳! Brooklyn,as Manhattan,and Queens,will ultimately become streetcar Meccas again as Los Angeles learned,much to its collective chagrin! Roads are not the panacea,that media presents,and with all the environmental pressures going on,literally it's back to the future 😀!! Thanks,Jago,an always interesting take on a little known subject!! Thanks again for your attention ☺!
Great lesson as usual.😀
Still waiting for an episode about Golders Green? A real hub for public and some private transport. Not only but the Hippodrome there, was a popular venue. There was a pub called the Refectory, under the rail arch, one that focussed on early 60's bands. Cheers
Keep it jago. 👍🏻🇬🇧
Now you mention it, when are you doing the Epping to Ongar section of the Central Line?
I agree that heritage line is great 😀
It’s on the list...
@@JagoHazzard great.♥️
@@elizabethspedding1975 med too
LOL! That's the funniest sponsor segment I've ever heard! XD
First they went off their rails, then also trolleys...and then got back on the rails. Is that conisdered trolleying?
Phew, the 'hallo all' is back. I so missed that on the last video.
Yes, the Northern Line extension to Bushey Heath and beyond merits a vid of it's own, sadly the planned terminus never happened and the Aldenham works building got re-purposed...., perhaps I've said too much already?!
An electrifying episode
The trolleybus is not a jollybus but I still miss them...
When you showed the new rolling stoke from the 30's! I went :o I! Like I am sure other folk here, the same age, ;) remember them in the 60's too! That was very interesting thanks ;)
Vineyards now is it? Jago will be turning up on Escape to the Chateau next.
Legally trolley buses were not road vehicles - they were classified as Light Rail. Consequently road rules, including speed limits, did not apply to them. And they were not slow! There were cases of motorists getting a ticket while following a trolley bus.
Why did trolleybuses get registration plates then?
Well, the infrastructure modernisations are supposed to be long-term plans and keep updating, therefore the New Works Programme is considered successful.
London Transport had gone off their trolleys in the 1940s .... :) Classic Jago.
Nice overview of transit planning that did not involve making room for lots of automobiles.
Side note: when speaking of electrified traction "over-arching" is not a term you want to hear. A the museum where I volunteer, we have a rotary substation. Connecting it to the overhead requires throw a large knife switch. Rule one is to make certain none of the other substations are on before closing the switch. Otherwise you learn what the term over-arching really means.
Love your stuff!
Wonderful
New York had its program too
I just read the bill for the LPTB was introduced in 1931 by Herbert Morrison MP and Minister for Transport (Labour). It was then implement by the Labour led National Government that was a kind of emergency coalition of all parties meant to get the UK through the Great Depression, while New Works was one of the works programmes meant to get people working, i.e., Keynesian etc. A similar broad coalition of all parties existed for WWII, but the difference was it was Tory led (Labour won after the war led by Clement Attlee and introduced the NHS and all the rebuilding bomb damage etc). Maybe that is needed now, because things are a bit of a mess. I dunno, but do wonder if they would not be pumping poop into rivers and the beaches, or if they would accelerate infrastructure projects etc.
The other parts of the program gave the Southern the line to Sutton from Wimbledon, and the construction of the Arterial Roads out of London (A3/A12 / Great West Road and so on)
Indeed, post-pandemic I’d say Corbyn’s proposed infrastructure upgrades could’ve done a lot for post-covid employment and economic stability… not to mention reaping the benefits of the infrastructure itself generations down the line. Oh well :/ apparently that’s “unworkable” and “promising the moon”. It’s not like there’s dozens or hundreds of examples in history like Hoover Dam where it’s clearly good value for money in the long term. I want an HS2 that replaces the GWML, and vastly improved regional rail funding everywhere (with the reopening of some previously closed lines), damn it!
Trolley buses and trams were always more eco friendly. But I guess human nature makes them unpopular choices in London. They are both much more intrusive than buses as they include bigger stops, more space, cables. That doesn’t look good with the narrow roads of London. I think electric buses have phased out the need for any future tram or trolley bus network in the uk and may even phase out the use of trams in different cities if they also have enough space to build metro systems.
I came for the super-corny humour. I was not disappointed!
'if that is your real name' - I thought for a moment I was listening to BlackBeltBarrister!