Indian Scout Bobber - Indian performance air intake install
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- With the new exhaust that I recently installed I wanted to install a performance intake to take advantage of a little extra power. I chose the Indian performance intake for my 2020 Indian Scout Bobber Twenty and in this video I take you through step by step on how to install it. The job isn’t horrible and can be done by 1 person. If there are any questions, please leave in the comments below and I will try to get to them. I’m providing links below to the parts I’ve installed on my bike.
The procedure is pretty easy and outlined in this video.
Torque specs
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Mid frame bolts (4) 35 ft lbs.
Front frame bolts top (2) 35 ft lbs.
Front frame bolts bottom (2) 19 ft lbs.
Fuel tank mounting bolts (4) 18 ft lbs.
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2020 Indian Scout Bobber twenty - sagebrush smoke
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Equipment used
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Canon D70
GoPro Hero 7
Canon 10 -18mm
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Tools used
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Allen wrench set
Socket set, Hex Bit, Metric
Socket set, Metric
box wrench set, Metric
Torque wrench - amzn.to/3iUB5ed
Motorcycle lift
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Man, you are my go-to for all my bobber needs, please keep the great videos coming.
Thanks for watching. I have more content coming.
I-like everyone else-love the water bottle holder. I couldn’t find a video, so I went lurking on the IG and found one pic that would give me my answer, thanks man. FYI, I got the 21’ Scout Bobber Twenty, it’s a grayish blue that Indian doesn’t show in their site. I just wanted to share that with you.
My man, doing the maintenance of his bobber, fearless about scratching a watch way more expensive than the bike itself 😅
And most importantly, the best video i have seen about the matter, one of the few that doesn't remove completely the long screws that secure the frame to the engine and the rails of the airbox so he doesn't need to jack the bike risking it to falling to the ground
Thanks for watching. Watching those bolts and not taking them all the way out is the key. You don't want the bike to fold up on you.
Great video, brotha! Just changed out my intake with the help of this video. Short, sweet and straight to the point!
Happy to hear it was helpful. Thanks for watching!
It really appears that the front opening bypasses the air filter. I just bought one and haven't installed it yet. The idea that air can get in without being filtered really bothers me
Why not cut-out that plastic piece blocking off the air-flow??? The new intake looks exactly the same minus the piece blocking off the direct flow of air and it being a red filter???
I was thinking the same thing as I was watching. I'm guessing you never got your answer.
@@goldenrod84 I seen it done on another video.
This video helped me tremendously. I had the toughest time trying to get that airbox over the throttlebody. So I took off the top of the filter like you did. It's solve the issue. Thank you for posting this video!! Also did it cost you anything at the dealer to re-calibrate the ECU?
I'm happy it helped. You should've gotten a certificate or card for the license for the recalibration. The dealer may charge labor to download and install the calibration but that is it.
just did mine, excited to ride after the flash, which will be next week.
Thank you for your time and dedication of sharing! I liked and subscribed.
I dont understand how the filter actualy filters air. it seems to be a straight air pass flow, the air comes in by the firs hole, then it is supose to pass by the filter but the filter is just on the top of the box and not betwen the throttle body and the intake of the box.... that doesnt filter anything... ¿how do that works?
I agree . I been looking at the airbox on multiple videos and indian sellers selling them and it looks like the filter just covers the front hole with one filter pleat.without the box in my hand its hard to tell .
I see it now . It's double walled . It passes around the throttle body to the filter then into throttle body
Ok, I'm gonna ask the forbidden question:
Why not just drill out your muffler baffles, and clip out the louvers in the airbox and have the retune done, save $1000?
no forbidden questions my friend. I think the stock mufflers look ugly and weigh a ton compare to the V&H so that was not even a thought as it was an improvement on many levels. The airbox could be debatable but at that point you are at a point of diminishing returns as you'd have to then pay for a retune whilst the performance airbox comes with a reflash. Adding to this that I had a credit from Indian that I used on the box and it becomes a simple decision.
@MessyGarageBMW same here. I got $500 from indian for military appreciation. I bought the intake and the led headlight. Simple decision for me also. But instead of the V&H I just put some GT shorty slip ons. Gotta take it to the dealership for my free flash
Nice Tank sticker!!
always cool bike.
Thanks
Also is it safe to drive it a few miles befor calibration. With exhaust and air box install. Just to make it to the dealer
Nice video, subbed
Thanks for watching and subbing
Very informative video 👌🏻. Way too much work for a filter replacement though
It it worth it for the performance air box. To swap out just the filter you just lift up the tank and you can unscrew the filter element and put a new one on without messing with the frame part.
Love the color. I didnt think the bobber came in anything but black.
There are different colors but seems to be alot of black ones out there.
Isn't that the twenty one.
@@commanderrockwell 2020 bobber twenty
Thanks for the videos
Thanks!
Just subbed, I love your Indian motorcycle content. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching. I have a few videos yet to edit and publish and a few more mods
Messy garage, what do you have on the forks? Are those covers? I have not seen these yet. Its a good look.
I have a 2021 bobber twenty, same color.
On another video on my channel I install the fork boots. Links should be in all of my video descriptions of the parts on my build. th-cam.com/video/CgozarFyhyE/w-d-xo.html
Why would Indian put the air filter under the gas tank? Normally the side of the motor is alot more accessible.
It is on the side for their Thunderstroke and Power Plus motors. For sure easier to change when it isn't under the tank.
Hi ...! Can you please give me link for the torque wrench you are using ! If working good ! Thanks
This is not exactly the same one but one similar. amzn.to/3iUB5ed I'll also add this in the description.
What are your thoughts after install and calibration from the dealer? Would you recommend this set up? Did you gain a noticeable amount of HP/Torque?
I didn't put the bike on a dyno before or after but according to the "butt dyno" it feels like an improvement. The sound is deeper and you can hear it pulling air in when you get on it. Also I've notice better throttle response and it seems to pull better. I don't have empirical data to back it on my specific bike but I totally have no regrets and would do it again the same way. Since the Indian branded intake came with the reflash at no additional cost it was a great first step. I've heard the bike has much more to give if tuned further. My thought was that this will get me an increase and I can always go back and pay more for a more aggressive tune in the future.
Hi, could I get a link or tell me where you get that rubber block. Also the dimensions for the rubber block. Thanks !
The rubber blocks are 2" x 3" x 4" and I got them with my quickjack system. I'm sure you can find something similar. I do highly recommend quickjack but they aren't cheap.
@@MessyGarageBMW great, thanks for the fast response.
So the air coming from the front is not filtered at all?
Looks like a pretty involved install for such a simple part. I guess my question is: is there a reason why Indian doesn't just ship all the Scouts with this better air cleaner?
Same reason car manufacturers don't. They want to appease the masses at a price point and offer aftermarket upgrades for more money.
My question for you, it’s true according with the manufacturing you have to calibrate after you remplaced
I think this is the same answer as your other comment but let me know if it is different and I can try to answer more. Thanks for watchin
Can you tell me where did you get it your, bcos I have see too many videos and I didn’t see any one they have to calibrate it
@@hectornunez8262 There is a link to the Indian Performance Air Intake in the description of this video. The card for the calibration code (used by the dealership) is included in the box when you get the intake. This is what the dealer needs to download the ECU calibration for your bike. When you get the intake, just make sure you keep all of the paperwork in the box as the code is included in that documentation.
Great video! I just got my Scout Bobber ABS last week and I am looking at installing this intake and I have the S&S grand national slip-on mufflers on the way. Do you think its ok to ride the bike for a period with these installed before re-flashing the bike? I have about 150 miles on the bike so I am a few hundred miles away from the 500 mile service where I will have them re-flash the bike. Thank you
You should be fine but the bike may not be running optimally. If you can get it in when you install the slip ons that would be best but I don't think you will have an issue riding it like it is.
Bottom bolt is a 13mm just let you all know
Why did you choose to go with this filter and not the other ones with high air flow? Any specific reason for that?
One reason was that the indian air intake came with a card to reflash the ECU to work with my new exhaust and air intake. Others would require me to buy a separate tune at a cost of a few hundred more USD. I can always do a tune later but for now I felt this was a good way to go. Bike sounds more aggressive and feels quicker and more responsive in the throttle.
*Just a thought: isn't the plastic there to cool the air before it goes into the throttle body?* With the K&N air box, it seems that ambient hot air will get drawn directly into the throttle body and reduce performance.
No I think you are thinking more like a car and in that case the box is to try to keep hotter air from the engine away to let colder ambient or outside air in. The is no cooling effect in the plastic boxes of any air box whether it be car or bike. For example many v twins have the air intake outside and the best performance ones free airflow rather that restrict it.
@@MessyGarageBMW *I looked it up and you're right that it's not about cooling.* However, I found out that the resonator both makes the engine quieter AND increases power. It seems that without the resonator the exiting pressure waves of air limits airflow through the intake tube. According to Cycle World, the resonator can boost torque by 10%. Anyways, awesome video. Good to know how to replace the filter. Though I'll leave that plastic piece where it is. Thanks.
Excellent detailed install man. Beautiful bike as well. I just picked up a 2021 scout 69 bobber icon series. Almost bought the twenty like yours but I preferred the riding position of the 69. Anyways I just did Vance&Hines slash cut slip ons - sounds great. My question to you though is. Do you really feel this intake is worth it , I just picked up the K&N air filter replacement (so not a whole intake swap)and I am thinking that is going to yield me the same results as this stage one intake. Correct me if I'm wrong !
The only thing I want to know does the calibration actually do more to the bike that I would want that. Thanks.
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At 7:35 or so I show the difference in the actual air box in that the new one is less restrictive. You are going to get more air into the bike with the new air box. I really do think it is worth it and although the K&N filter replacement is likely better than the stock paper one this mod give you the better filter and the less restrictive air box. I did notice an improved sound and throttle response with this and the exhaust modification. I know another of my friends did the S&S intake and he is happy with his but he had to pay extra for the tune. This one comes with the code to allow the dealer to remap the ecu for the increased air flow and exhaust.
@@MessyGarageBMW Thanks for the reply. Maybe I'll return this and go stage one as well.
Another question you say that the card that comes with the intake is for the remaPh. So why do you refer to the calibration being for the exhaust too?
@@cobras559 because they calibrate based on what your bike has at the moment which is why I did this after I had gotten the exhaust in order to get the full effect without calibrating twice
@@MessyGarageBMW isn't the calibration pre programmed that comes in the box for only the intake though. I am lost how they would know you have an exhaust and what kind it is to be able to put it on the card.
@@cobras559 no. The card has a code that the dealership uses as a license showing you paid so they can download the appropriate.
there's no switch to turn off the fuel line correct? i always work on older bikes and they typically have a valve to open and close it, that's why i am curious
Nope. It is a one way valve so it won't leak
Did you have to adjust the tune? I’m getting different answers
With an intake and exhaust you should get a tune. This intake comes with a cert for the indian tune that your dealer should be able to do. They may charge labor to do it though.
I bought a 2021 Indian Scout Bobber Twenty, I had the Indian 2 into 1 exhaust installed ((says Indian, has Kerker writin all over it)) and the Indian performance intake added. AKA: K&N. Question: how do I know the intake was installed by the dealership?? I'm curious is all..
You would have to raise the tank up to take a peak at the intake. The intake is more than just a K&N style filter though the box is less restrictive as well. To be sure you would have to remove the tank, unscrew the filter from the top and peak at the intake to see if it is the more open one or the stock restrictive airbox.
I talked about the mix of gas and air??
Please let me know if you did the calibration on your bike
One of the reasons I went with this air cleaner was it comes with a card to have the dealership refresh the ECU for the calibration. Make sure if you buy it this code is in the box and DO NOT lose it. Take it to the dealership and the tune is included. You only pay labor which was very cheap. Check with your shop for labor cost.
Hi kinda stupid question, when propping the bike on the lift, do you lift it so the wheels are off the ground, or just enough so the lift will stop the bike collapsing in on itself?
I think for this job I just had it enough to support the bike. Don't remove both sides of the frame. Watch closely what I remove and don't go beyond that.
@@MessyGarageBMW yeah, from what I can tell only one side needs to come off. Cheers bro.
Hi I am from Brazil, have a Scout. The brand left the country, so in order to get one of those I would have to import what's very expensive. About the calibration can you do a video showing a video how to? The calibration kit comes with the air intake? Tks
I took mine to the dealership to do the calibration. I know there are some products that do fuel mapping that plug into your ECU. I don't have experience with that yet but if I do them I will make a video on it. look up www.fuelmotousa.com/
@@MessyGarageBMW I will be thankful a lot if you do
I have one of these on my 2021 Bobber but I hear the filter supplied with it may be still a bit restrictive, is it worth putting a K&N filter element into it to give it more air? Thanks for the VID really helpful.
I don't think it would make that much difference. I'd wait until it is time to replace the filter and do it then.
@@MessyGarageBMW Sounds like a plan, thanks for getting back to me so quickly and will invest in a black bolt set instead. Have a good one, Cheers.
@@warrensmith897 let me know if you find one. The black bolt sets are hard to find now.
@@MessyGarageBMW will do am onto it now and will let you know how it goes.
@@MessyGarageBMW Ok will try this way have had four attempts and reckon the only thing it can be is I am posting you a link and page won't accept the link? I ordered mine through Louis -Motorrad (yes it has two r's) in Germany look for Bolt sets INDIAN Scout on their web site, they have stainless or black stainless sets and typically being German are very efficient! Cheers Mate and sorry about the link issue. PS I am in Australia so they have a long way to travel to get here.
Hi. I have an indian scout 1133 abs of 2017. I have installed an air filter K&N and soon I have to install the terminals Crusher maverick slips-ons Kurayakyn. do you think I also have to remap the ECU? Thank
If you just replaced the air filter to the K&N you may not have changed the air intake enough to require a remap. Usually if you do intake and exhaust it is recommended to do a remap. I recommend upgrading the air intake when you install the new exhaust and then do the remap. You could do the indian performance intake like I do here that comes with a remap cert for the dealership or you could look at the s&s or trask or other intakes offered but then you have to pay for the tune yourself and likely get a pv3.
@@MessyGarageBMW thanks you very much.
Did the bike get much louder with this filter? You mentioned "improved" sound, but do you mean the type of sound or volume?
Not so much louder but a bite more growl. It just sounds deeper and meaner. Hard to describe
@@MessyGarageBMW Thanks. 1 more question if you don't mind.
When the stock filter gets dirty you can buy just the replacement white filter media and screw it on top of the air box without having to replace the whole box.
But with the performance filter the filter media is red with a mesh, but I can't seem to find a replacement filter media.
So do you just have to buy a whole new air box when it gets dirty? Or does Indian sell replacement filter media? Or is it washable..?
@@omegachar4754 I believe the performance filter media can be unbolted from the top and cleaned and reused. I know K&N also sells a replacement filter that bolts to the top of the airbox. I haven't cleaned mine yet so I don't have any details on the process.
Hey brotha. Do the mid ape bars help with back pain issue from the drag bars?
They are way more comfortable in my opinion. You spend less time folded in half.
Did you use a jack for under the engine when you took off the frame bolts?
I used a motorcycle lift under the engine to support the bike.
Is there a value to stop fuel from coming out of the tank?
When you disconnect the line it will have a very small amount of fuel that comes out but there is a valve that will stop the fuel from leaking out.
Have you noticed and proformence improvement after installing this?
Yes, both throttle response and sound are better with this and the exhaust mod.
Do you need to have bike on lift to do this?
You need to support the bottom of the bike some since you will be removing bolts that hold the frame together. You can get the lift at places like harbor freight and amazon and they aren't too bad.
how much did the dealer charge to re flash your bike?
I think they charged an hour or 2 labor so it would depend on your dealers labor rate.
To me this is just a way for them to make money. I did this "mod" to my bobber as well and it was the biggest pain in the a$$. No significant power gains and the only difference is a membrane that they have removed from the air box. What I did is, I took the paper filter and replaced it with a K&N fabric air filter. But this is the biggest scam I have seen from a motorbike company so far.
After watching the video you are right! that air-box can be modified (cut-out) that piece restricting the air-flow and adding an aftermarket filter (foam/fabric) and achieve same performance if not better and a whole lot cheaper.
@@tawaitai That is EXACTLY what my dad and I did to our bobbers. Dremel's are an amazing tool. We looked at a few options, Trask intake, Indians intake, K&N, Vance & Hines, you name them. We physically checked out Indians intake first, the one in this video, and when we seen the small minute difference between their "performance" intake and the one on our bikes, that is when I got the Dremel out. Just use a Dremel cutting bit and go slow to keep it neat. I used my Dremel flex shaft attachment so it was easier to get in and cut the hole. I even sanded the edges where I took the circle part out to make it nice and smooth.
Omg I gotta take my fucking tank off are you serious
Yes... that was exactly my reaction when I found out. Not as bad as it seems but still I think unnecessarily complicated.
Why anyone would buy Indian's 'performance' filter over the Trask or S&S filter is beyond me. Those give you more air, handedly, and you can wash them. This you'll be replacing in 10k miles or less. Pointless.
One reason is that this box is less restrictive than the stock and it comes with the code for the dealer to use to reflash everything so there is no need to pay for an aftermarket tune at this point. Some people will only want this, some will use it as a step to get other mods done before an all out tune. There are a lot of reasons. I can tell you from first hand knowledge the combo of this and slipons with the reflash change the bike for the better. The throttle is more responsive, the sound is deeper (compare to only slipons themselves).
@@MessyGarageBMW No, I understand the concept of the filter. Indian advertises it'll give you 5% more power. I'm saying, if you are going to go through all this trouble in swapping out the stock box/filter, then spend the extra $20-$50 bucks for a better air filter (Trask, A. Ness, S&S, etc) that you can clean and reuse after 10k miles, instead of dropping another $105 down the road. Especially if you are still with stock exhaust. You won't need a dealer code.
@@aaronsalinas518 right, totally get what you're saying. It is highly situational. My bike will likely be in a state of constant evolution so it made sense for me at the time. Will it always stay like this? Can't say. I tend to tinker with things a lot so it is likely videos I've made will have parts that are no longer on my bikes or cars. It is constant change.
Thats why harley davidson will be over indian
Hi ...! Can you please give me link for the torque wrench you are using ! If working good ! Thanks
This isn't the exact one but it is close. amzn.to/3iUB5ed