Tesla URGES Panasonic to speed up 4680 battery production
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- Tesla URGES Panasonic to speed up 4680 battery production
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Bless everybody 🤞🏼👍🙏🏽
@6:30 *_Totaly Agree_* 4880 is a form factor, not a chemistry formulation. It can be used for LFE as well as any other cell formulation.
It can be except that Tesla explicitly said they won't use 4680 for LFP. The properties of the different chemistries must be a good match for the properties of the mechanical design, and apparently Tesla doesn't think it's a good fit.
Hitting it out of the park, Sam.
Translation (Belting it for six, mate)🇦🇺
Old executives surrounded by yes-men programmed to never rock the boat.
Yup 👍🏻 4680 LFP batteries will be a very interesting subject.
You think it might be a good time to finish Giga Nevada?......just saying.
If LFP goes up in price then SIBs become attractive and will supplement. MNC already looks like a niche product.
So what happened to the idea that Tesla making its own 4680 batteries was going to be the solution to all Tesla's battery supply constraints? This fantastic new form factor and dry electrode technology were supposed to lower costs and increase efficiency. Only one problem: Tesla (and Panasonic) are still struggling to make them fast enough to match the proposed rate of production of the cars themselves. This is a new manufacturing process, and I read one Teslarati article where it stated that even Panasonic, who are battery manufacturing veterans compared to Tesla, won't be able to start mass production until March 2024. It's make or break time for Tesla. If they can't make the 4680's at commercial production rates, they will have to either abandon 4680's altogether, or reserve them only for limited production models like maybe the Roadster and Model S Plaid. It will be interesting to see how the next couple of years pan out.
Panasonic is an older company that cares about quality control which is very different from Tesla. They're not going to take shortcuts just to please Tesla- that type of thing ends up costing too much money
Hello Viking, what do you know about the tesla semi truck reservation book opening?
There must be huge interest from Elon in the quest for lithium production in the Salton Sea (California) area. I know he attempted to buy a company there a few years ago, but that deal didn't work out. There are vast quantities of lithium and other elements available in hydrothermal wells in that area. More lithium can be found in southern Oregon and northern Nevada. If I could ask Elon a question, I'd surely ask about what he is doing in those places.
If you’re a shareholder, you can submit questions during their earnings report and annual meetings
I seen that video of the *Sultan Sea* on another channel, you are correct 🧐
Tesla has some investments in Nevada Lithium mines.
@@ctuna2011 Native Americans are delaying the permits.
1:30 You are not yet put the link in the description below.
Panasonic: "How many batteries do you need?"
Elon Musk: "Shitloads!"
Of shiploads.💩🚢⛴🛳🚢⛴🤪
Where did Elon comment on Semi’s?
3:07 Highly reflective surfaces. I'm sure it'll all be fine. :D
since Detroit never used in chrome on their cars??.
It would not surpise me if Tesla had it's own plans for LFP batteries as well as 4680 and 2170 stopgap production. It is a no brainer that they will contract for any of these battery types with every battery supplier. No to mention contracting with the mining suppliers for primarily for making 4680 batteries. I see no sense of this being the case for Legacy Auto companies, attempting the pivot to BEV vehicles. Furthermore the iterative culture that is endemic in Tesla (and SpaceX), is anathama to the management and culture of legacy auto companies. That iterative cutlure drives the speed of Vehicle inprovments and FSD Beta improvements, as well as battery development improvements. Legacy auto don't get this, which leads to unatainable statements such as we will have a production of 2 million EV's by 2025. Legacy Auto needs Engineer CEO's and managment to set realistic goals.
With volume and smaller margins model 3 could be 30k
I think they found a way to easily produce a 4680 lfp, or some other cheap chemistry thats over 1000 W per kg. Why would these battery companies give up floor space for the 4680 rather than their own technologies, unless it was that good.
Agree with the Tesla push for LiFP chemistry. I envision in many forms factors including blade and LiFP 4680 batteries 🔋
Elon said he wants to perfect 4680 battery production, then add other chemistries, including LiFP.
I believe the cheap Tesla could even have Sodium-Ion batteries. Production could ramp up in 2024 and anyway do not expect the cheap Tesla before then.
While Tesla can't keep up with demand for their current models I don't see any point in wasting resources with a mew model with lower potential profit margin.
$42.00 and it don't do 💩!👀🤣
May not be vaporware but unless you work for Tesla you still can't get a car with 4680's . Like most things they are a year or two
behind what they predicted on Battery Day . It looks like LFP is catching up fast though. I would think the Tesla is handing the 4680
process over to people that can produce it fast.
Legacy auto lost already even before the race began.
Panasonic has screwed the pooch. They could be Tesla's largest supplier globally. If and when their Japanese customers start making EV's they could be their supplier in a big way. This is a text book example of bad management.
yeah, just imagine being a battery maker in the EV age in Japan, where there are only 2 Japanese made EV models sold. In 2021 . . . 176,000 EV's were sold in Norway, population 5 million to 20,000 EV's in Japan, population 125 million. So on a per capita comparison Norway buys 220 EV's for every 1 sold in Japan!!!
Tesla has already done the heavy lifting.... what's the problem with Panasonic? Tesla is _"...writing checks it can't cash...."_ .... not enough 4680s for it's current product line. Massively cell constrained.
The CyberTruck is gonna weigh close to twice the weight of a regular *#ICE* pickup truck of the same equivalent size ❕️😳❗️😳❕️
good, then I won't feel the thump when I run them over.
Is Panasonic searching a place in USA for making 4680 batteries? 😄😄 come on guys, just beside Giga Nevada factory, you have plenty of desert land.
Unfortunately desert regions are low in population which makes it difficult to find a workforce.
No money in cars less than $40k, waste of batteries. Let China and Renault do the little stuff.
Tesla will never produce a low cost EV for use outside of it's robo-taxi fleet.
I f you are certain about that, i might have to get an EV from one of the Chinese 🚗 makes.🤔
May be Tesla will look into Lithium Silicon Battery. The company claims is cheaper than LFP, has higher density & longer range. Check it out Elon, so we can buy your EV at a more affordable price & help you transition the entire world into Electric!
Tesla bot will br lfp.
Would have to mine the entire planet if everybody owned an EV
Would have to drill the entire planet if everybody owned an ice vehicle
Lithium, Fe, P are not rare, but Li is costly, slow to mine, but that will change.