Jayson Tatum | The 3 reasons he's taken The Leap
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Jayson Tatum has taken "The Leap" in 2020, but was his hot stretch at the end of the season just luck, or is it here to stay? What exactly has propelled his growth forward as a player, and just how good is he now? This scouting report and film breakdown for the Celtics star forward uses analytics & stats to assess his overall success.
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Remarkable growth for someone who's still only 19.
He like 22
Shane Scott whoosh
KobeS4 r/wooooosh
@@shanescott1124 whooosh
Hahahaha he's 17.5
Dude you seriously put EVERY single "sports analyst" on the big TV networks to shame. None of them are actually analysts. They don't extrapolate data, form graphs to back up their points, provide deep and thoughtful insight onto the nuances of the game like you do. They are just glorified TV opinion personalities. YOU are a legit analyst. Not only is all your analysis data-driven and backed up by the numbers, you are able to take very logical conclusions from complicated trends and then articulate them perfectly to your audience. You are able to translate complex data into easily understandable insight - and that is NOT a common skill. Plus you are a fantastic narrator with a smooth voice. I'm seriously impressed, man. I hope your content one day explodes and enters the mainstream NBA fan consciousness and you make millions. Legit if I was a powerful executive at ESPN, I'd offer to give you your own show right now.
Agreed. Dude is legit.
The thing is this kind of analysis takes a lot more time to do while the guys you see on ESPN and Fox Sports are doing it a day, if not hours after the games finish. All that being said the quality of this is off the charts.
Ditto, this was very well constructed. Thank you for your great insights!
Top dog
When Jayson Tatum retires, his fans will say, "Why is he retiring so early? HE'S ONLY 39!"
As a fan, I can confirm
it’s because 39 isn’t a big number, only 40 is
@@connorhearney5941 lmao
holy shit I got a heart from thinking basketball... this is surreal and i’m just on the internet
@@pw7772 yo jacob underwood's is in the house
Last time I was this early the Bucks were considered title favourites
Enzo Zanon W
O O F
Laughs in Jimmy Butler
RIP
Now they home
His beard finally connected
i see you relate as well?
Lmao
Random NBA fan in a discussion about a certain player being over/underrated:
"Do you even watch basketball??"
Ben, having just studied 12 hours of Bulls film to analyze Kris Dunn's off-ball defense:
*Smirks*
Am I the only one that regularly imagines this type of scenario?
You'll find this in Reddit and TH-cam.
Clint has read my soul.
@@ThinkingBasketball why are we suddenly measuring per 75 possessions?
@@aaroncascone9370 per 75 is closer to the number of possessions in a full game
@@kalginage thanks :) I knew I heard him mention it in a previous vid or something
Tatum and Luka are the future, looking forward to some epic battles between those 2. They’re still kids who aren’t anywhere close to their peak yet.
You act as if Jokic, Embiid, and Giannis do not exist lol.
Enjoy the finals🎉
Hey, I'am a Brazilian fan of the channel. The subtitles used help me to understand the content of the video, if you can make it availabe again in the next videos would be nice.
concordo
e aí chefia
Um salve para os BR que também assistem o canal.
I imagine it takes some time for him to make the subtitles.
salve pros BRs
Wow still kind of surreal that Tatum is already in conversations for top 10 player in the league.
Look at doncic lol
You should say that about Luka
He'll become a mainstay as Ben addressed 2 key things: 3 point shooting and being able to draw contact on drives. His defense keeps improving and knows how to use it to his advantages (long ass reach) and his passing game along with his drive game took a jump this year. As long as Tatum still desires to see the best version of himself on court he will keep improving and possibly be in the conversation of a complete wing scorer who can defend by the time he hits his prime.
I'm saying that for Tatum cause I'm a Celtics fan and seeing Ur own players succeed has more joy than other players .
that's cos he isnt
yessssss Thinking Basketball please upload more. I need it during these amazing playoffs
His passing game really surprised me ever since the bubble.
his dribble is still sometimes unreliable and he tends to not finish decently at the rim but the change from last year is fantastic. Same for Brown. His defense against Toronto... My goodness that's a work of art!
Lets go always love when I get that Thinking Basketball notification!!!!
No cauuppp
Would Love a video on Durant and his prospects of returning to his peak form
I don't think he's a doctor but personally im a bit low on KD and think he'll be more like the 15th best player next season and retire in a few years
Let hope he doesn't push it too much
SCHLONDREEEEEEE
that's a speculation video which isn't really this channel's "scope".
ugod234 his injury in OKC wasn’t as severe and he was a much younger player. Hopefully you’re right though
Sees "Thinking basketball" starts thinking my day just got better.
His growth has been great to witness. He's not simply relying on physical gifts to get better. He studies the game and develops those fundamentals and intricacies that will carry over well throughout his career.
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Is a 2016 steph vid ever coming?
is that director's cut version in hd?
Im a Raptors fan, but I gotta admit I love his progression right now and hes fun to watch. Honestly I love it when any player improves on his game.
I wish he'd take the leap in 2k. He's freaking terrible with the CPU controlling him.
that's so disappointing. not going to buy the game now lol
@@joshlitman8310 I really wish they'd let you edit teammate tendencies in MyCareer. He just takes SO MANY contested shots it's insane
Branden Edwards smh man. How does Jaylen play?
@@joshlitman8310 really well. Always slashes or runs to the corner on fast breaks. Crashes the board a lot. I like when he's on the floor with me. Tatum slashes when the paint is open too. It's just if you give him the ball he's going to drive and take a contested jumper
You know how in years past Real Life Tatum almost exclusively worked in the midrange and took a lot of long twos? That's how he plays. It's like they took Tatum from 2k19 and slid him into 2k21 with higher attributes
2K always had this problem. Kobe was one of the easiest guards to match up with in the earlier versions of 2K.
its been 2 days and jayson just clutched a game 7 win. Video aged like wine (really quickly though)
Your breakdowns and analyses are always spot on. Tatum is a fantastic talent
i can’t explain how much i love these videos
i’ve been waiting for this video
After he went on that February run
also his shot is soo smooth, like actually maybe the most smooth shots behind PG3 and maybe some of the logo shooters such as SC and Trae
God the quality of these videos is insane!
You know it's a good day when ben uploads
these vids are ridiculously high quality
My favorite basketbal channel by far! Keep up the good work man!
The potential is scary some, some players don't reach there's, and some do like Tatum. I'm so glad he's taking the leap
As always, this channel delivers insights and analytics like inviting you for a simple talk about basketball analysis and analytics with a beer 🍻 or coffee ☕ in the table.
I always enjoy ur vids, ur very logical, and in my humble opinion, ur up there as one of the best Basketball 🏀 analysts in the world 🌎
PLEASE make another video, maybe one on the differences on when tatum is taking tough shots vs easy shots created by the offense
Solid JT fan here from🇵🇭
Ben, this new thumbnail style is definitely an improvement. Looks way cleaner. Keep up the great work!
Been waiting for this since the last video on Tatum 💯 Love the channel such high quality as always
“Outbreak in the middle of january” 😂
i think if donovan was 6’7 as well, he would be put ahead of tatum but some of yall got a fetish for players in lebron’s size, i am not a hater or anything, (why would i hate someone that doesn’t know me) but i think his teammates are almost perfect for him and let him rest at times. He often doesn’t get recognized for his bad performances because their team is so great that they can win anyway
Thats true ab the Celtics scoring options
You can’t just throw a random height for a player with skill sets adjusted to his real height... if Giannis is 6’2, if Lebron is 6’1, if Curry is 7’1, they would all be inferior players (curry wouldn’t train his shooting as much if he was 7’1)
Yeah but as clear with when Kemba is off the court, his numbers also improve by quite a large number. Maybe he wouldn’t have so many meh performances if they weren’t there and he had trae young freedom.
N. Buckets you are kinda right about that one, focus on the second argument it has more thought and less emotions attached to it as im a donovan fan lol
C Jo think like that tho, every year we see the hate damian gets when he gets eliminated in the playoffs right. My point here is, when you have to carry a team to the playoffs like a hornets kemba, first you get praised like a mf, then you get eliminated and now they say you choked, you are not capable of being the 1st option for a championship, etc, etc. When you carry a team with a monster performance, people takes it for granted and you are blamed more for the Ls. Luckily Tatum doesn’t get that
Luka sophomore vid, or a vid on his playoff performance this year?
Up until 5:57 and it's crazy how he looks like a reeeeeally water down version of Luka offensively, but it's a really raw raw version of someone still learning (the progression basically everyone, Luka included, must pass). But it's not quite the same as Luka style and he's still amazing despite that because of that monster physique! He doesn't need to rely on his wits because he can just attack the basket and overpower like a badass (geez, how i'm envy!).
Strength it's a 2 way sword and i know that he was also putting TONS of efforts in becoming a better defender so his approach is actually perfect and he looks like he'll have a bright future, it will just take more time because he's implementing them slowly and focusing on the long term. He's almost exactly the kind of player would try to be.
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Curry, Book, Klay, Tatum, Gobert
Bench:
Trae, LaVine, Ben, Blake, J Allen
Jacob Thomas 🤣
@USAFO6 light skin = light skin black people
@USAFO6 Lol you must be old. If you hear a young person say light skin that's what they are referring to.
@USAFO6 I dont care and I dont know why you felt the need to tell me that, I'm just trying to help your old ass have a better understanding of what people are saying. Youre welcome
@5dastral Richuan Holmes is lightskin?
Hell ya! I love your videos! Just what I needed after a long day at work
4:05 into it and i don't agree with the term "leap", it implies that you need to wait or that he suddenly woke up better one year. When in reality these are all changes that he could ALWAYS have made sooner (aside from growing). He could always have shot 3s instead of long 2s (which takes less contact and energy), he could have been more aggressive on drives (since aggression is a mindset) and he could have lifted weights before to gain mass (which personally speaking makes WONDERS for your athletic perfomance and those muscles stay for a long time even if you reduce the lifting to zero). JJ even passed through this, a team analyst once told him "here are your numbers when you shoot long 2s, and here are your numbers when you simply side step and do a 3. From today on, you're only shooting 3s.", he said the difference was so shocking that it was messing him up at the beginning of the season, cause he was thinking too much about it.
I think that what actually changed were at least three things: better coaching, analytics and staff. They calculated his numbers and the league and created a recipe. After all, this "use 3s to open drives and hunt for layups instead of jumpers" is old af now!!!! And everyone does it. After knowing what works best for everyone, it was time to individualize.
Someone send this to Andrew Wiggins
If someone learned to use the “head fake to pass” and used it to shoot without looking which sounds super hard that would be so op
Watching this in 2022 after tatum just started off the season looking like an mvp candidate
now that was a fortunate refresh
Glad you redid this
We needed this updated analysis! Great vid
Your analysis of the game is better than anyone working for ESPN or TNT.
Nothin better than scrolling youtube and seeing that fried thumbnail of a basketball player
Was wondering, his finishing limitations remind me a little bit of luka's last year. do you think Jayson would be capable of making similar improvements to luka's?
I love these in depth analysis'
love your content. Learned alot about how to evaluate and analyze. Can you make a video on who your top 10 rising superstars are? I know personally I'd love to hear your thoughts and Im sure all of your viewers will too. Either way, amazing job sir. Keep up the great work
Do a video on playoff Russel Westbrook please !
He has one from last season
Benjamin Baumgardner I’m talking about this
Season. Russ has been exponentially worse
That look off 3 was a thing of beauty
I would love for you to do a similar video like this for Luka Doncic. His jump from rookie to sophomore year was huge. I know you touched upon it in a 5-thoughts video, but I feel like Luka has shown enough (especially after the playoffs) for a deep dive.
If he can improve his rim finishing is the key.
Loved this video! I was telling people around this time last year that Tatum was a top 10 player and people were telling me that I was crazy. It's nice to see all the work and data you've gathered that at least show that I'm not totally crazy. Question: Do you think Tatum can be a top 5 player in the league? He's still only 22, I can't help but think that by the time he's 26 he's going to be a top 5 guy, thoughts?
I think you should make a video about kawhi this may be a hot take but I think he’s the most complete basketball Player in the world rn his defense is still really good he can score on all 3 levels at an elite level that midrange game so smooth he’s a really good rebounder and his passing has improved so much and watching these games it’s so great to see him make great passes
That game winner over RJ (9:04) was filthy I had to rewind
Jason taytum, Luka, and the pelicans are the future
Idk about the pelicans
N. Buckets ik but with Zion attacking the pint aggressively and Brandon Ingram stretching the defense. It may work but London has to get a shit. He should have gotten better with jj Redick imo but it’s only been 1 season. If he can get a shot they would be a genuine threat.
Does anyone ever wish that Ben could do an in-depth analysis of THEIR game? haha
main issue with him is he thinks and plays like a 2 guard instead of a 3 or modern 4, the bubble kind of exposed his lack of experience in closing out games attacking from the outside, I want him to study paul pierce's game since both had identical pace , get to his spots , before attacking , more mid post, instead of freestyling and messing around with the ball too much
My god you miss a lot of these little tricks and tasty footwork like the Lowry look-off and the Ibaka euro step at game speed. So much craft goes into his game. Great analysis.
He should body build and get a LeBron-like physique
What I think is most interesting about Tatum is the fact that the Kobe comparisons are becoming more and more justified. He plays like a modern day kobe, tugging at defense with his jumpers, which opens up the drive, and although he isn't a great finisher, neither was kobe. His passing also seems to be kobe like. I wonder how his unique blenc of size, skill, and limitations could shape pout in the future. He specifically intrigues me as a three point shooter, and if he can start stretching his range to a couple feet behind the lines, we might be looking at a 6 foot 8 damian lillard who can defend in a couple of year, a scary thought for the rest of the league. He's only 22, and his ceiling is just as high as other young buzzsaws, like Luka and Zion, at least for me.
I’m new to your channel I love your videos
Nice BAM block for the win. GO HEAT!
Hes been great at getting to the line
He still needs to get stronger his layup package reminds me of pg real finesse borderline soft
Tatum has been my fav player to watch since he came in the league. I didnt know there were so many small nuances to his game. I feel like im watching tmac in Orlando when i watch tatum. Although not as athletic, he has a similar style and stature. Hes not giving u 30+ a night like tmac, but hes probably a better defender and playmaker.
At 2:30 it would be better if you increased the size of the graphics. Most people now consume youtube on mobiles, those texts are just too small, even on fullscreen. It's better to maximize the use of the screen's real estate
Obviously Tatum gets all the credit for upping his game, but I also appreciate brad stevens helping to maximize Tatum when he’s on the court. Taking his P&R looks a couple steps deeper off the 3 line has made Tatum MUCH more lethal
Great video
Hey Thinking Basketball, it is about time you make a video about how the Mavericks can build around Luka, or even better Luka and KP. Who would be an ideal 3rd star? Should they just go with 2 stars and invest in quality depth from 3 to 12? Come on! Everyone will love it! As someone who has watched every game of theirs I think they need an elite wing defender. I love Dorrian Finney Smith, but the Mavericks are not very capable of guarding elite wings. Second, I think it would behoove the Mavericks to find a 1-2 in the mold of Marcus Smart, or even a just a 1 like Pat Beverly. The West is loaded with PGs and as much as I love Brunson, the Mavericks need an elite defender to deal with Pgs, while also capable of initiating the offense from time to time, BUT has to be a 37% plus shooter from 3.
Ben, I wish you post more frequently
Can you do a video about playoff fatigue and etc
man that head fake was so tuff!
Celtics vs the heat would be a great series. Would like to see the Celtics try tatum at the 5 some of those games
oh boy do I have some news for you from 3 years ago
It’s crazy that he’s 6’10 now
Wish this was the type of analysis that was considered mainstream. It's way more fun than guys yelling at each other about free agency.
Can you Remake this like every 2 years
didnt u mention that he took more contested shots his second year or third idk, well i think that was just him feelin it and maybe considering expanding his game further away and more extreme. he himself stated kobe was his idol in terms of play and we all know what typa shots kobe could pull up with. tatums work ethic do be amazing and I expect nothing but greatness from him in the next upcoming years
if you get time please do something on the bucks or Giannis or both
How good is thinking basketball now ?!! Fantastic breakdown
The last time I was this early everyone thought 2020 would be one of the best years in NBA history
Next superstar
I think you fucked up the graphic at the end. It says 88th percentile efficiency but the point is only about halfway up the bar. Great video as always though!!!
you should make a video on miami's playoff run so far
I really reluctantly at first but adamantly of recently really think Jayson Tatum can one day become an NBA Great Generational Talent. Jayson Tatum has an admirable work ethic, a driven personality and an excellent and an ever ascending player whom has beautifully burst into the NBA as a Player whom could lead a team to a Championship as the Alpha number one Option on an true NBA Championship contender. I am not sure what the NBA Finals will have in store for us in terms of matchup, yet I am really hoping that we have an 2020 NBA Finals that reinvigorates one of the best rivalries in the NBA, and that being the Los Angeles Lakers playing the Boston Celtics in the 2020 NBA Finals. It is something that I would especially enjoy watching if both the Los Angeles Lakers and the Boston Celtics so we can have a better NBA Finals March Up. But comment on this post what you think and who would be the best Basketball Matchup.
Why?? He has been watching your channel, of course!!
Tatum is awesome, and will only get better, no doubt. However, as the video even mentions, I am surprised at how underwhelming his athleticism is, at least with his elevation. He doesn't have that Lebron/MJ/Kobe/TMac burst at the rim, not even close. Maybe this is due to his small hands, in part. He seems closer to a Kawhi type - slightly taller but also needs to jump off two feet to get any serious elevation and has much smaller hands.
Someone awhile back made a Paul Pierce comparison to his game when he was coming out of college and I can see it. Pierce didn't have great athleticism either but he beat you with all the little tricks and using his physique to get to the hoop and draw contact. Basically just being an all round scorer though Tatum's has Pierce beat at the improvement as a passer to go with his ball handling.
Well looking at his legs I can somewhat understand.
Brad Beal has slowly developed into a 30 point scorer. I’d love a breakdown
The Wizards passed from a playoffs team to a bad team and they gave Beal the ball to do whatever he wanted, stopped playing defense. THE END
5:59 The defender messed up big time this time, they shouldn't have lost this point given the fact there was only one option and he was so close.
He is averaging 23.5/10/5 on 43% shooting in over 40 minutes per game against the Raptors. Those are not superstar numbers. Not saying he won’t be a top 10 player on the future, but he’s got some work to do to get there
Considering Toronto’s defense is 2nd in the league those are pretty good numbers. He was still able to average basically his regular season numbers against a defensive juggernaut.
Tim Sweeney Onagree Agreed, he played pretty well, but he finished with 24/10/5 on 42% and 1 steal and .5 blocks against a team whose best player is Kyle Lowry. That’s not superstar type stuff. Example: Doncic averaged 31/10/9 on 50% shooting with 1 steal and .5 blocks against the reigning FMVP and best perimeter defenders in the league. Kawhi, Lebron, Luka, and a few others make that status. I’m just not giving it to Tatum... yet.
I would def like to see the FT rate improve and the passing as well. But I count on Tatum doing that and adding something else in the offseason while continuing to improve his overall game for his future playoff performances. Those are the factors that will possibly make him a top 10 player status hopefully as he gets to his prime.
BludAardvark Agreed, I honestly think he will be KD to Luka’s Lebron in this era of basketball and eventually a top 5 player, but he needs some more time to marinate and become more consistent. Just not quite there yet
Zink Tomas I think he’ll be there next year. If not top five def top 10. His learning curve is so damn quick. The jump he made in the regular season on offense and defense. And now In the playoffs he’s finding passing lanes he wasn’t seeing before. Becoming a complete player
Thanks
Why did the Lakers pick Lonzo over Tatum? Its crazy how Tatum is so much better now 3 years later.
I hope you know why they took Lonzo over Tatum
@@IllShivyou Because Magic traded Dangelo Russell because he didnt want him there look how that turned out also. Russell became an all star. If Tatum were in the Lakers hell be the third star in the team
I can't see Tatum having a career that's any worse than 5 or 6 all star selections, and if he continues to put the effort in he'll be an mvp candidate in a few years
You should do a Fred Van Vleet breakdown because he’s going to get paid bug this summer
Great lift is not needed for great finishing at the rim . Luka has proved that. Taytum need to be better at the rim for him to be a top 5 player.
looks like more potential then kawhi, or even like MJ. i miss Theis in the last picture, he is a big part of Celtics und Tatum highlights