What have you done, I don't even play sc2 but I still find myself watching your videos daily by now. I guess that speaks for your content quality, good stuff
Just remembered something from wayyyy back. Zerg used to max out their army, bank up, start to turn all their drones into spines, and cancel them (spines so that if they dont cancelt them all, least they have spines). And while the spines are building, they would build more units. This would let them get like 200/200 army supply while maintaining worker count. Would be cool to see again
That 3rd game TvT bunker opener felt oddly so similar to an SC1 TvP early game. Marines and a bunker is all preventing you from dying there on the spot.
@uThermal Idea for SC3 (hopium): While constructing buildings terran need to spend certain amount of time in each zone of it to raise it fully. You can choose temporarily with part need to be done faster by railing SCV into that area. That way you do not have RNG element in microing your SCV while enemy worker/zergling attack it, and you can preemptively build part of structure that is more vurneable. How to do it? I have no freaking idea, but assume buildings gonna have zones (cut baracks into 4 pieces and give them separate health pools while in construction). To balance it, if you lose 2/4 zones from enemy attack you lose entire structure.
I have always wanted to see what a marine, mine, medivac challenge would be like which would essentially be the same as your BC plus mines challenge except with marines and medivacs. Basically, you would have medivacs loaded up equally with marines and mines so that you would do drops with 8 marines and 4 mines at a time or 16 marines and 8 mines at a time. Marines with stim are very mobile and so having zerg and protoss players in particular have to rush their forces to defend drops as they keep running into mines I think would be very funny and entertaining. The idea here is that you would have about a forty percent of your supply in marines, forty percent in mines, and 20 percent in medivacs.
The best two salty timings Marc did during the challenge (iirc) was when he made combat shields and just A-moved through enemy tank formation, and when he read a Protoss player so well he dropped into his base and denied Colossus construction with less than a second left. The latter seasoned the game well with salt and the ragequit.
i remember a very old parody video (from 2010 i think) where a guy played MMM against zerg with bio units having infinite damage (MMM was considered very strong at the time) so he just a-moved through zerg armies. that's how game 1 looked like. :D
It's always funny when Terran manages to outzerg the Zerg. Hydralisks at the bar trading stories about a nightmare when thousands of marines came out of nowhere, no end in sight
this may be a really noobie question but....iv never laddered before and i always wondered what was the reason for the killable rocks at the bottom of the main ramps? also, love the vids thermy
Great question. In the original sc2, rushers would build a building or two right where those rocks are, completely locking you in Obviously we still have cannon/bunker/etc rushes, but it's much more possible to defend when you can actually walk down your own ramp 10 seconds in to the game
OK, if you’re already doing the Rax>Reactor>CC (which is stupid ofc, but hey we’re having fun), how ridiculous is it to *skip marine upgrades*? OK look, Rax>Gas>Reactor>CC>Factory+Reactor>Starport, swap > 2xMedivac all the while constantly producing Marines. You get 14 Marines + 2xVacs super early, the terran probably only has 1 tank at that point. The power of 14 marines+2 vacs is pretty serious and it gives you the ability to harass + map control while you get 2 more rax with tech labs > upgrades, an engi bay for +1, and a 3rd CC in the back. By the time the terran can comfortably move out you’ll have marine upgrades, +1, and a bunch more marines and medivacs and 3 bases. Is this mental or might somehow work?
Heres a fun game for…Go full TOURNAMENT MODE on public match but your video is limited to 30min only, which you need to win as much game as you can within 30mins gap
It's been there for a significant amount of time now. However even when he seems to not be doing much I found the number to be high. Which made me doubt if it was APM or not. Lol
@@TheArtanis7 stats for nerds. I think it's fun to see at times. And ye, it has been there for quite a while now. Just look at older videos in his list.
@uthermal hey Marc I had a brilliant idea that has never been done before, you can be the 1st to do this. Zerg challenge to gm, can you get to gm with swarm host, infester, queen. No one has done anything with swarm hosts, u can b the 1st!!! N u can iron out the details, if you wanna build like idk 8 to 12 zerglings for early defense n scouting idk but I would love to see this
Its probably not worth it. But for mental damage I would lift my Orbital and get the second overlord too. Actually I used to always lift my orbital if the Overlord spot was near 😂
What exactly did we learn from game 2 seems like you got stomped into oblivion. What could you do differently in that situation? I'm a big fat noob but it looked very one-sided.
Why is he getting matched with players above his current league? I thought that you play in certain league and then if you are number one you get promoted in higher league. Can you get demoted in lower league during season? And is points related to rank?
Zerg lost because he trickled and he should of did a drone pull when ready to attack. He could of also made a few spines, to help.. and it wouldn't of been so bad.. sometimes its better to back off so you ahve an overwhelming force and let the marines stim around and take out buildigns or chase drones... he made several defending mistakes... but he did produce enough and had enough... he shoudl of onyl lost about 20 drones.... out of 50 and shoudl of been recoverable... also... nydus can be useful for zerg for deeking out drones into other hatcheries that isn't used that much and gives alittle more stronger creep control. its reltively cheap. but meh. I htink the drones and nydusing various things increase your return... because of the loss control... meh
I would not have the fortitude of character to NOT build the units I needed to win... it messes with my head... Why Isn't he building banshee, durp the challenge... Man I want to see you play with NO restrictions. Just go Ham on anyone with whatever you think is best to kill someone.
Man... stream like a two hour session where all you do is win with whatever you have to.... I would watch two hour replays of you seal clubbing non stop.
So from speed running, and seeds, the scv movement isn't random, and you can control it, by controling certain factors, as it follows a mathematical randomisation taht can be exploited, its not true random. So if you need scv, Left, top, right or bottom, it can be controlled by specific factors. This is beyond most professional sc2 players and more to the glitch exploit in game and nonsense peopel that tear apart the game in every little bit. Stoping building and rebuilding, and stopping cna help change its seed pattern.
YOu had some poor/rusty micro of controlling the medivac drops.. not sure on your hotkey layout, but you can always make 3 keys for your army. and numbers for your bases... Ratehr then using 1-0 which is like the least optiaml spread. meh. Next time if you do marine, medivac drop... you need to have a good plan, your plans wer ea little disjointed... its kill a building take losses leave, heal outside, come back, then attack troops, not both... marines are range, so its better to hard hit the buildings. T vs Z, if you have 4 medivacs and can hit two sides, one units say in a bunch up mineral line so the lings suck... and the other drop is specifically for hitting Spawning pool, and any tech towers and leaving asap, and maybe spore if you have time... THen leave... one is for drones and harrass and leav,e the other is for spawning pool. then leave. heal and return... this with cause if early in teh game mass delay in the zergs abiltiy to defend itself early on. Roach building still allows roaches, but if htey go banneling ling, the investmetn gets screwed if they lose the spawning pool, and the priorty is jsut spawning pool as often as possible. While harassing. If they choose ot defend it building then you use your entire army.. or hunt down overlords, so if tehy want a big recoil, they lack, queens or supply... Making the cost expensive... The hydralisk den should of been destroyed quite easily and then you would leave... but a bit of indecisvness.. Lings kill units ,but its melee.. so typically you only lose the outside marines and its onyl a few... then pick up and boast out... heal.. etc.
What have you done, I don't even play sc2 but I still find myself watching your videos daily by now. I guess that speaks for your content quality, good stuff
me too, i just love the dumb cheeses and the salt
Just remembered something from wayyyy back. Zerg used to max out their army, bank up, start to turn all their drones into spines, and cancel them (spines so that if they dont cancelt them all, least they have spines). And while the spines are building, they would build more units. This would let them get like 200/200 army supply while maintaining worker count. Would be cool to see again
It’s still done, sometimes. Not great if you get a drop in your base while you are attacking
@@enriquegarciacota3914this makes zero sense
@@Longwaller you can't build units if youre over cap
@@Longwallerye it does
If you're at 200/200 and build a spine, your supply drops to 199/200. Then you can build a unit, cancel the spine, and you have 201/200.
I did not know that you were the person who came up with the 2-11. That is such an iconic Terran build. You are part of StarCraft history.
used to be a zerg player back when i was 14, started playing starcraft again due to you as terrain and have managed to beat all levels of AI in 1v1
I hope you include all cheater AI, because without cheats it's pretty weak, especially to cheese and defensive tactics.
well if he just started playing it's still something :)
I have not been on a battlefield in 3000 years (I'm Tal'darim) but this is fun to watch.
En taro Zeratul
That 3rd game TvT bunker opener felt oddly so similar to an SC1 TvP early game. Marines and a bunker is all preventing you from dying there on the spot.
@uThermal Idea for SC3 (hopium):
While constructing buildings terran need to spend certain amount of time in each zone of it to raise it fully.
You can choose temporarily with part need to be done faster by railing SCV into that area.
That way you do not have RNG element in microing your SCV while enemy worker/zergling attack it, and you can preemptively build part of structure that is more vurneable.
How to do it? I have no freaking idea, but assume buildings gonna have zones (cut baracks into 4 pieces and give them separate health pools while in construction).
To balance it, if you lose 2/4 zones from enemy attack you lose entire structure.
I like the idea!
Would be cool implementing it in an Arcade map in StarCraft 2 and test it 😊
I have always wanted to see what a marine, mine, medivac challenge would be like which would essentially be the same as your BC plus mines challenge except with marines and medivacs. Basically, you would have medivacs loaded up equally with marines and mines so that you would do drops with 8 marines and 4 mines at a time or 16 marines and 8 mines at a time. Marines with stim are very mobile and so having zerg and protoss players in particular have to rush their forces to defend drops as they keep running into mines I think would be very funny and entertaining. The idea here is that you would have about a forty percent of your supply in marines, forty percent in mines, and 20 percent in medivacs.
The best two salty timings Marc did during the challenge (iirc) was when he made combat shields and just A-moved through enemy tank formation, and when he read a Protoss player so well he dropped into his base and denied Colossus construction with less than a second left. The latter seasoned the game well with salt and the ragequit.
I was eagerly watching for GlizzyBomber on the loading screens lol
Don't forget that you are allowed one raven for detection...
He has scans for detection
Cheers! And thanks for your work!
i remember a very old parody video (from 2010 i think) where a guy played MMM against zerg with bio units having infinite damage (MMM was considered very strong at the time) so he just a-moved through zerg armies.
that's how game 1 looked like. :D
I wouldnt be surpirsed if I saw the first game in Harstem's IODIS.
It's always funny when Terran manages to outzerg the Zerg.
Hydralisks at the bar trading stories about a nightmare when thousands of marines came out of nowhere, no end in sight
That first guy probably uninstalled after that game. Brutal
In French BG means "Beau Gosse" which is similar to handsome man, so I guess this is what the last guy wanted to say no ? :D
Uthermal gotta start sending out empty medivacs as mind games in this challenge
this may be a really noobie question but....iv never laddered before and i always wondered what was the reason for the killable rocks at the bottom of the main ramps?
also, love the vids thermy
Great question. In the original sc2, rushers would build a building or two right where those rocks are, completely locking you in
Obviously we still have cannon/bunker/etc rushes, but it's much more possible to defend when you can actually walk down your own ramp 10 seconds in to the game
@@BukovTerviczmostly it’s cannon rushes that were OP
Ah, the good old m&m change:) nice to see it again.
Title: "This is incredible"
Commentary: "This is stupid. Don't do this."
Keep the marine-medivac games coming! :)
Thermy, please do a "one handed to ____ series"! Play with only one hand and see how high you can get!
dont forget the medivac upgrade, its really good!
OK, if you’re already doing the Rax>Reactor>CC (which is stupid ofc, but hey we’re having fun), how ridiculous is it to *skip marine upgrades*? OK look, Rax>Gas>Reactor>CC>Factory+Reactor>Starport, swap > 2xMedivac all the while constantly producing Marines. You get 14 Marines + 2xVacs super early, the terran probably only has 1 tank at that point. The power of 14 marines+2 vacs is pretty serious and it gives you the ability to harass + map control while you get 2 more rax with tech labs > upgrades, an engi bay for +1, and a 3rd CC in the back. By the time the terran can comfortably move out you’ll have marine upgrades, +1, and a bunch more marines and medivacs and 3 bases. Is this mental or might somehow work?
Heres a fun game for…Go full TOURNAMENT MODE on public match but your video is limited to 30min only, which you need to win as much game as you can within 30mins gap
Thanks for the fun. ^^
Banger bus
Supply block challenge! Make your opponent GG. Destroy only supply and non-worker units.
Loving the vids! Keep it up brotha!
long day at work....but Marine Medivac is back!!!!!
M&Ms? This'll be good. Blind counter ish in 2nd, but still dang strong.
Would have loved to see the new medivac upgrades with this nostalgia challenge, but I guess the games were too quick (Except the Zerg rematch)
Am I tripping or has there always been an APM counter on the UI?
It's been there for a significant amount of time now. However even when he seems to not be doing much I found the number to be high. Which made me doubt if it was APM or not. Lol
@@IcariumGaming Check the control group icons
But what is the point of that information during gameplay?
@@TheArtanis7 stats for nerds. I think it's fun to see at times. And ye, it has been there for quite a while now. Just look at older videos in his list.
It's usually there but sometimes he has it off in the options
@uthermal hey Marc I had a brilliant idea that has never been done before, you can be the 1st to do this. Zerg challenge to gm, can you get to gm with swarm host, infester, queen. No one has done anything with swarm hosts, u can b the 1st!!! N u can iron out the details, if you wanna build like idk 8 to 12 zerglings for early defense n scouting idk but I would love to see this
Its gonna be sad day when thermy stops uploading so consistently 🎉
How to defeat a GM Zerg?
Just F2 a shit-ton of marines!!
why do you measure the placement for barracks with engineering?!
i wondered the same. I think because the engeneering bay is cheaper, so he can already measure while he has less than 150 minerals
@@jemandvondort1585 that makes a lot of sense! Thank you!
Why does he destroy the unbuildable plate?
Finally, terran stuff
Its probably not worth it. But for mental damage I would lift my Orbital and get the second overlord too. Actually I used to always lift my orbital if the Overlord spot was near 😂
What exactly did we learn from game 2 seems like you got stomped into oblivion. What could you do differently in that situation? I'm a big fat noob but it looked very one-sided.
Who dont like this pretty face of our nice dutch boy mark schlappi 😊
can you put a landed viking in a medivac?
Yes you can. 2 of them fits into one medivac
Marine Raven to GM, would make some cool tvts and tvp
Yeap, marinelings are awesome
Why is he getting matched with players above his current league? I thought that you play in certain league and then if you are number one you get promoted in higher league. Can you get demoted in lower league during season? And is points related to rank?
I think its based on the mmr and not the rank
I really miss the exploding thermometer intro :(
Zerg lost because he trickled and he should of did a drone pull when ready to attack. He could of also made a few spines, to help.. and it wouldn't of been so bad.. sometimes its better to back off so you ahve an overwhelming force and let the marines stim around and take out buildigns or chase drones... he made several defending mistakes... but he did produce enough and had enough... he shoudl of onyl lost about 20 drones.... out of 50 and shoudl of been recoverable... also... nydus can be useful for zerg for deeking out drones into other hatcheries that isn't used that much and gives alittle more stronger creep control. its reltively cheap. but meh. I htink the drones and nydusing various things increase your return... because of the loss control... meh
Let's go!
I would not have the fortitude of character to NOT build the units I needed to win... it messes with my head... Why Isn't he building banshee, durp the challenge...
Man I want to see you play with NO restrictions.
Just go Ham on anyone with whatever you think is best to kill someone.
Personally I think I enjoy the carrier rush the most.
I wouldn't be able to help myself. I would just rush carriers as fast as possible every game....
Man... stream like a two hour session where all you do is win with whatever you have to....
I would watch two hour replays of you seal clubbing non stop.
You invented 2 1 1?
GG
I get Sooooo much more salt than UThermal and I’m only diamond.
lets go
IDK might be time to end this challenge early. M&M is uh... challenging but not as interesting/funny as others?
Encore
So from speed running, and seeds, the scv movement isn't random, and you can control it, by controling certain factors, as it follows a mathematical randomisation taht can be exploited, its not true random. So if you need scv, Left, top, right or bottom, it can be controlled by specific factors. This is beyond most professional sc2 players and more to the glitch exploit in game and nonsense peopel that tear apart the game in every little bit. Stoping building and rebuilding, and stopping cna help change its seed pattern.
23:20 - "SlavaUkraini" on ukrainian language : Glory to Ukraine.
V sostave Rossii
NormalPlayer lol that sounds sooo cheeeseee
👀🙏🥰
YOu had some poor/rusty micro of controlling the medivac drops.. not sure on your hotkey layout, but you can always make 3 keys for your army. and numbers for your bases... Ratehr then using 1-0 which is like the least optiaml spread. meh.
Next time if you do marine, medivac drop... you need to have a good plan, your plans wer ea little disjointed... its kill a building take losses leave, heal outside, come back, then attack troops, not both... marines are range, so its better to hard hit the buildings.
T vs Z, if you have 4 medivacs and can hit two sides, one units say in a bunch up mineral line so the lings suck... and the other drop is specifically for hitting Spawning pool, and any tech towers and leaving asap, and maybe spore if you have time... THen leave... one is for drones and harrass and leav,e the other is for spawning pool. then leave. heal and return... this with cause if early in teh game mass delay in the zergs abiltiy to defend itself early on. Roach building still allows roaches, but if htey go banneling ling, the investmetn gets screwed if they lose the spawning pool, and the priorty is jsut spawning pool as often as possible. While harassing. If they choose ot defend it building then you use your entire army.. or hunt down overlords, so if tehy want a big recoil, they lack, queens or supply... Making the cost expensive... The hydralisk den should of been destroyed quite easily and then you would leave... but a bit of indecisvness.. Lings kill units ,but its melee.. so typically you only lose the outside marines and its onyl a few... then pick up and boast out... heal.. etc.
Uthermal gamer tag =10/10
How did you come up with that name??
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What about a new challenge ? Ending up at Top 10 simultaneoulsy at Korean, EU and US Grandmaster leagues.
@uthermal is it possible to show keyboard and mouse clicks during the youtube vids?
BG typicaL Ukrainian hohol.
xD Slava Ukraine