Ep. 056 - V-MAX® Bullets
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- On this episode, Seth is joined in the studio by Assistant Director of Engineering, Joe Thielen and Marketing Director Neil Davies. The topic of this show is all things V-Max bullets. The V-Max was released as a new product in 1996 and quickly established itself as the best varmint hunting bullet on the market. The team discusses the design aspects of this bullet along with what applications are best suited for the V-Max.
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Anybody else use 110gr VMAX in 300blk?
Get em pumping out 6 ARC brass please!
You know grendel brass is easy to find and its as simple as running through an arc die to make what you are after?
@@veteranironoutdoors8320 I do but don’t want mixed head stamps when I run both. Aslo grendel is not that easy to find it’s sold out all over for that specific reason
@@veteranironoutdoors8320 Grendel brass isn’t nearly as easy to find now that everyone is doing what you suggest
Make more 17WSM please.
Make 6mm ARC brass available again.
Also load a 75gr VMax 6mm ARC
I use 55gr VMAX in my 223 for whitetail under 150 yards with pretty amazing results over the last 12-15 years
What barrel length just curious
@@CheeseBurgerXJ One is 22" and the other is 16"
Great podcast! I think I'm speaking for a good majority of 22 creed shooters, and would like to see a high b c .224 V-max projectile in the 70-80 grain area! Sierra has the 69gr Blitz, but not available as a component for reloaders.
Boy the 55ge bk shot excellent from my 16” doublestar. All touched at 100 vs the 60gr v max which almost all touched. I hope to get a .220swift with 26” barrel to bring some real speed from .22
How do the pelts of a yote fair with a 22 cred?
For those of us who shoot heavy .224 bullets out of our 223 and 22-250 a heavy 70-85gr. vmax boat tail would be a hit
Isn't the ELD-Match very soft also? Should work for varminting I suppose?
Yea like the 85gr rdf. I have the 95gr .264 in my 6.5prc tip toein round 3625fps with h4350….5” accuracy and will send a jug into the next parallel dimension..110v max in my 24” fn spr run 3500fps and just as nasty
How about self defense? It seems dumping that much energy all at once with no over penetration sounds like it would stop a attacker just like it stops a coyote.
My thoughts exactly
We run 30" barreled 7 Twist 223 Rem's with the 80gr ELDM's (loaded long at 2.490" COAL) comfortably @ 3,000fps for Prairie Dogs & Coyotes.
Put THAT in your app and compare it to ANYTHING mentioned in this podcast. The only thing mentioned in this podcast that can outperform our Prairie Dog Load is the 22 Creed with the same 80gr ELDM. But you're using DOUBLE the powder and have about 1/4 to 1/3 of the barrel life. Not worth it to me.
The ELDM's blow up just like a VMAX. Especially because of the retained velocity, as a high BC bullet.
My second rifle (for when the first one gets hot) is a 243 Winchester with a 87gr VMAX @ 3350fps. That combo will hang with the 80 ELDM for retained velocity out to 650yds but NOT WIND DRIFT and it's not close. The 87gr starting at 3350 will ALWAYS get pushed around more then the 80gr ELDM starting at 3000, at ALL ranges.
Great podcast guys!
Thank you!
60grn vmax with 23.8grn varget and cci400 primer is my pet load in my 20" 1:8twist bull barrel AR
Great Podcast. You answered alot of my questions. Alittle over a year ago my nieghbor called and said a cougar is going to kill your 2 week old calf, so I grabbed the nearest weapon to me, ran out to my back yard and sure enough the cougar was climbing over my fence heading to the calf, so I hit him in the ribs 2 times at about 120 yards before he turned from the calf to runing at me. That was a great opportunity to work over his chest in front. At about 25 yards from me he turned broadside, so I worked his ribs over some more. He ran another 85 plus yards and climbed over 2 fences before going down. I shot 23 rounds and think I hit 20 times. I had an ar-15 16" barrel 55 grain hornady v maxs. 1 round hit him in the spine right between the shoulder blades as he was climbing over the fence and he still ran another 40 yards. I was pretty sure the bullets were expanding to fast on this 150 plus lb male cougar. If I were 8 secounds later that calf wouldn't have survived. You have to use what you can get your hands on at the time things go down.
Sounds like it is adequate for home defense. Would this stop a human threat?
@@kungfupandas1 yes but I would use a better made bullet for heavier animals. The bullet I was using was for coyote size animals not cougar.
My favorite V-Max cartridge is the 243 Winchester with the 58 grain V-Max.
Man I’d love to work some with that one…my 95gr v max 6.5prc run 3625fps
Great show, thank you.
I listened to this via audio version while loading Hornady V-max bullets.
Right on!
Wait a minute... This isn't Vortex?
Grin... love my Hornady 22CM and Hornady bullets. Thanks for the shout out Neil :)
Thanks for the podcast guys... I'm from South Africa... and many of us here use the v-max bullets as described, even behind the shoulder shots at longer range works perfect with no exit wound...as long as you stay away from the shoulders or quartering angles.
We culled 60 Zebra, 25 black wildebeest and 25 blue wildebeest and many blesbuck in one season with 87gr V-max almost exclusively. Great great bullet within its limits!
The Hornady 20 and 25 grain 17 Winchester Super Mag is far superior to the 17 HMR as far as velocity, trajectory and kinetic energy. Great podcast.
I love your 55 grain soft point. It's the perfect prairie dog round and are .11ea on Midsouth Shooters Supply. I shoot pop bottles filled with jello for my scientific studies😉. Vmax will blow up 60% on the bottles. SP's will blow them up 95% of the time. Vmax is great for pelts. Vmax is twice the cost of the SP.
Savage 93R and 17 grain V Max go together like biscuits & gravy.
I agree laser beam!
I did not hear much about the 110 300 blk. That bullet is a big game bullet
If it’s a v-max no it’s not, you can use a butter knife to cut a steak that doesn’t make it a steak knife. I know people who do use v-max for big game, they make it work by being very selective of their shots but it’s also illegal in many areas.
@@jaydunbar7538 within 50 yards it will drop a hog. Shot placement is important with any bullet. But a varmint bullet really dumps energy into the animal.
Gentleman, when will we see a new leap from Hornady? When will we see a bullet expansion rate 2 time the diameter instead of 1.5? Some of us "No Exit Hole" guys want a Vmax type to dump energy after the 1st shoulder penetration on Whitetails. Come on. No time to be complacent.😲
My grandpa favorite prairie dog and white tail cartridges were the Winchester PEP's (Positive Expansion Point) as long as he had a good shot he dropped them with just behind the shoulder shots and jellied the whitetail inside's.
I took a deer with the 55 grain V-max 223 at 275 yards one shot behind the shoulder,dropped him ,When I skinned him I found the bullet under the skin on the opposite side fully in tack perfect mushroom.For my deer rounds I load the SST bullets for the 270 and 243.Always a one shot drop in tracks kill.
I'm loving the 6mm ARC sub-MOA!
Have you used the 6mm arc on yokes? If so, does it do a lot of damage to the pelts?
@@ChipsPlace1952 I bagged my first ever deer this season and it performed very well. It was a short-range engagement (125 yrds), entry on the right side just in front of the shoulder, went between 2 ribs, took out both lungs, vaporized the heart and broke 3 ribs on the way out. The deer dropped where she stood, kicked once and blew blood out her mouth and that was it. I was using the Hornady 103 gr ELD-X Precision Hunter load. I would think it would work great on yokes, its a laser beam, I zero at 200m and its a 1-1/4" high at 100 yards and about 2-1/2" low at 350 yards. Shoots sub MOA out of my AR 15 conversion. 18" McGowen Match barrel, Geissele 3.5lb target trigger, 3-9 Sig scope.
Thanks for the info
Been loading up Vmax 55 gr
I loaded 10 of two diff cfe223 loads
10 two diff loads of Varget,
10 of IMR 4660
I hope to get to range soon.
Also loading 165gr interlock in 30-06.
I loaded up 50 sst150 for the 06 also.
I love me some Hornady
Long live the 220 Swift! With V-Max bullets, of course. Wish rifle makers would bring it back to their lineups.
I use the 220 swift, 55gr vmax, it's a great round for coyote. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!
I also run the swift with a 60gr
How do the pelts fair with the 220?
The only bullet for me for large ohio groundhogs, 75 gr .243
Heck yeah!
Thanks for another great podcast! Currently using the 40 and 50 grain V-Max out of my 222. Have also tried 50 and 60 grain out of 223, 40 grains out of 22-250, 65 and 75 grain out of 6 PPC, 87 grain from the 243, 95ers out of the 6,5x55 Swedish and 110's out of 308. Fabulous bullets! 🤠
204 Ruger 40g VMAX for the win.
Tjanks for the video good stuff. I use a 60gr vmax in my 220 Swift. I use the 53 gr vmax in my 223s. I use 40 gr vmax in my AR 204 Ruger. I use the 87gr vmax in my 243 win. I use the 95gr vmax in my 260 Rem.
I want a little heavier bullet in .264 diameter in the 105 to 110 gr range. You make multiple choices for others and I am limited in what is a very popular diameter being a .264 with just one weight. In that weight give me high BC like you did with 53gr vmax for the .224 diameter and the .4 bc for the 87gr .243. The other reason I would think since the leade to lands is quite long in the 6.5 Creedmore better accuracy can be achieved with a heavier bullets. I am not talking about adequate accuracy I am talking about pinpoint accuracy. Another point is as with many of my varmint loads equal or bests target loads. I would rather load one bullet for both. Just my 2 cents worth.
Been shooting hornady since early 70s.... love the V Max .222 .223 .243 and now .17 vmax and .22 WMR...latest adventure is the 6 MM ARC. 58 grain in the 6 ARC is devistaing on Woodchucks and Coyotes ... Explosive !
Thank you for watching and shooting the V-MAX!
I love these podcasts! Keep them coming. The history of the cartridge development of various bullets and cartridges is so interesting.
How do the pelts fair with the 6arc?
with the 6 mm ARC and 58 grain v max ...I seldom get an exit they explode inside ..so small hole going in ...no exit ... the exits I did get were vey small.@@ChipsPlace1952
I have been shooting V-MAX and BTVs probably since introduction. Both are very effective. 55gr V-MAX in my .223. I'm running 87gr V-MAX in both my .243 and my 6mm ARC. Haven't had a yote walk away yet. Despite their weight varying from 86.7-87.3, they are deadly accurate all the way out to 800+yards. Do not change a thing and keep churning them out.
38:15 was that a warren g reference on the Hornady Podcast?
Well...the reference was made from the movie "Young Guns", but the song "Regulators" has that movie clip in the intro of the song.
I’m in south west Western Australia. We have Roos, dogs, goats, foxes, cats, pigs and deer mostly. I use 87g vmax at 42.5g AR2209 and love the combination in my 243 with a pulsar thermal scope. I only hunt at night and it is just about perfect. For bunnies I use 17g vmax in my 17HMR. Love vmax.
Hey mate I'm in nsw and shoot 87g out of the 243 have you noticed Americans over shoot everything like calibre wise (insert American accent)
"Yeah the two forty-three is a kids gun,you need a 30-06 for white
tail" 😂
I love the 55. Grain v max and my model 24 savage loves it in 223.is the zombie max the same bullet ,with a green tip?
It is!
6mm remington with 87 is a good combination..
65 grain vmax in a .243 with Hodgdon Superformance works really well in my savage
Tikka T3 lite 22-250 with 50 grain vmax cfe 223 powder does well for us also
I started out shooting a 25-06 for prairie dogs in Wyoming. Burned out a barrel in it. The Ariel acrobatics are still talked about. Then I switched over to a 22-250. I burned out a couple of barrels in it to in Wyoming. When the 17 HMR came out rounded out my trifecta of varmint guns.
The 55gr V max is the best neck shot bullet ever made.
Come on guys. Despite your lack of recommendation of VMAX bullets for hunting medium game, people have been having great success using them for making decisive kills for quite a while here in the states...
Great info guys , thanks.
We need 65-75 Vmax ammo for 6ARC …. PLEASE!! 💪🏼
I would love a high bc v max. The .243 87 has the highest at .400
@@chadperry4021 I'm getting great accuracy out to 800+ in my ARC with 87s.
I think the 6mm 75 and 87 vmax’s should be in the 4DOF library…
I Just Felt Like Putting My Two Cents In. I Have Hunted And Killed Many Deer And Hogs. I Have Used Many Different Calibers Of Guns. I Can't Say I Like Anyone Better Than A Other Because I Enjoy Them All, But I Will Say I Have Used A Savage 110 Bolt Action Rifle Chambered In 223 Remington That I Hand Load A 60 Gr Hornady V-Max Bullet In, I Have Killed So Many Deer And Hogs All The Way Out To 300 Yards With This Load. And I Never Had To Tract Them They Fell Right Were I Shot Them. I Had Shot A Deer At 100 Yards With A 444 marlin And He Ran 200 Yards Blood Trail Easy To Follow When We Skinned Him Out He Had 1/2 Of A Hart. Like I Said I Love All Different Guns, But I Think It Is Great When The Game You Are Perusing Drops Right Where You Shoot It.
I use a lot of 50gr vmax for coyote hunting. Works good for me. Dont think its worth going to the 53 for the shorter shots i take
60gr vmax .224 is a perform now with cfe 223 powder cci no 41 primer
You referring to 224 Valkyrie?
@@eliaswebster937 nope 223
I love the 55gr vmax for 223 and 75gr vmax for my 243.. but the superformance 53gr.. i dont recommend.. ive had 3 or more duds in each box ive bought
24:48 mark, will you go back and now say the 2 ARC? HAHAHAHAHA oh dang Time
I shot 5 shot group with a ar with a 370$ upper I got a 1 inch group at 200 yards
Hornady manual question. Powders are listed top to bottom. Are they listed most accurate to least accurate? Faster to slower burning? Was always curious 🤔
Fast to slow, you could also say pistol to magnum. I don’t have a hornady manual to confirm but that is the industry standard and deviation from that seems like it would be known if they had.
Why are so many of the 6.5 bullets match bullets instead of hunting bullets?
Can 110 gr 300 BLK be used for self-defense out of a PDW 5.5” to 7”?
I was just wondering why the 95gr VMAX for the 6.5 creedmoor was never mentioned, that is by far my favorite varmint round.
Ought to see what it does in my waypoint 6.5prc runnin 3625…
6 arc 65 gr Vmax + xterminator = dead coyote.
How does that fair with the pelts?
@@ChipsPlace1952 not friendly at all. Switched to 58 gr Vmax. No exits
@@ChipsPlace1952 it didn’t do too well. 58 gr Vmax are better in fur
I use the 95gr V-Max for 6.5 Creedmoor in a 16" barrel running 3000fps and in a 26" barrel running 3400fps. Haven't gotten to take any game with it but it is screaming fast and accurate.
I load 95gr v max over 58gr h4350 for 3625fps .5” groups. Devestating
24” carbon bsf
6.5prc. Sorry
@@charlesmullins3238 I have a 6.5 prc as well, I haven't loaded any light bullets for it yet. 1.2" straight 27" Preferred Barrel.
@@charlesmullins3238 I bet it is on game at close range.
Love all the Coyote talk!!
How could you not mention the 110 grain VMAX in the 300 blackout? It was one of the first bullets to make the Blackout, a viable supersonic round for medium size game (i.e. - deer, pigs. Etc.)
Where is the 6ARC brass?
Probably good for home self defense also
Bear creek 308 upper 110 vmax 44.5gr of 2015 LC brass CCI 34 primer .556" groups avg. 3024fps
Coyote BOMB is more like it
What barrel length is that Bear Creek? I'd like to work up a load that gives the same velocity with a 16" or 12.5".308. It's crazy how well these 110gr VMAX bullets work, even at less than 2000 fps with .300 blk.
40 GR VMAX for the win in my 22 hornet
Are these good for home defense?
They sure ought to be!
Built a .223 off a Remington 700 SPS Varmint with a 26 in. Barrel. Put it in a Stocky's M-50 Black with gray web, aluminum bed, stuck on a Timney Elite Hunter at about 1.5-2 lbs, and topped with a Vortex 6-24X50. Started with loading V-Max 55 gr. Flat base over 748 and BL-(c)2 and really never did any further load work. 3 shots went into .894 at 200 yards. 5 shots went into 1.102 at 200 yards. so I have a little to improve on, but not much. Rifle shoots the V-max, so far, better than the Nosler BT Varmints in the same weight. A lighter, strictly target trigger and the groups may have even been smaller. I built a Savage Pre-accutrigger FP action .222 with an 8 inch twist, 24 inch magnum contour barrel Timney trigger. Ordered some 60 gr. V-Max for that. Can't wait to break it in. Due to the twist I probably wont go below 55 grain bullets with that.
I used a 110gr VMax in a mid velocity (~2200fps) load from a 300Blk to take a 140lbs Florida whitetail this year. The shot was about 25 yards quartering away, the round smurfed the liver and perfed both lungs and the heart. He went 10 yards, dropped, kicked twice and was DRT. Wouldn't try that at 308 velocities but works exceptionally well at 300Blk velocities.
I loved the Prairie Dog hunting to golf compairison. My brother and I shot P.dogs out to 295yds with 17HMR and its quit fun. The 53 grain vmax is the only Vmax I dont get on my soap box and preach the goodness about. I have loaded it in .223 and 22 nosler with mixed results. Using CFE223 it is in tune in 90+ degree days (thats the temperatures its tuned in) but in cold weather when the CFE slows about 120fps, it comes out of tune. The 52 grn ELDm does great in all conditions wiith just as good of impacts and just a little more wind drift. 75 grn Vmax in the AR15 chambered for 243WSSM at 3650fps and 350+ lbs pigs drop like a sack of potatoes. Who would have thought.
A friend bought a bunch of 110 VMax “blems” for me. They look just like the ones I bought in a store. Are they rejected because of minor quality tolerances or factory overruns? I’m using for 300 BLK.
The most accurate hunting load of any type I've ever shot is 60 Gr V-max using 25 grains of Varget. Insane, stupid accurate in every 223 or 5.56 gun I own. My standard for coyotes, or eggs at 300 yards.
me and my Buddy have shot quessing about 5 to 6 million rounds of Vmax great round I use them in every rifle. The .17 HMR Vmax is by far the most accurate round in that caliber. I use them in my Deer Rifles I always make head shots why waste meat.
People always say that about the 308 and varget with a 168 or 175 gr bullet. I had one rifle that wouldn't shoot it, but It would shoot great with IMR4895, though.
75gr Hornady V-Max over H4895 shoots ragged one hole groups at 100yds out of my .243Win CVA Scout Compact. Absolute laser beam!
.17 hornet 👍
17 remington 25gr hollow point best bullet ever made. For my 225 winchester 50gr vmax my swift 60gr 243 65gr an 75gr vmax don't run a 22-250 anymore
When are you going to produce varmint rounds for 6 arc? 58, 75, 87, or 95 grain for coyotes please
Wish you guys made a gmx/CX bullet down to 204 ruger I would like to see the performance not blow fox to pieces when there close under 150 yards
Never tried the v MaX I have an 22-250 shoot 55 gr soft point sellior and ballot on springbok and Impala in SA 300- 500 m no problem 💪🏻🤟🏻
Do you know plan on coming out with a heavy weight, high bc for .224 in the vmax for varminting?
Start making 6 arc ammo for coyotes. The three options available are not as good for coyotes.
As accurate as any match bullet? I shoot mid range benchrest and I call BS on that.
We need 500ct boxes please in all v-max. BIG FAN of v-max
Will we be seeing any heavier/higher BC Vmax seeds in the future ?
I want a 17wsm rimfire necked up to 204 or 224
I remember the vmax that they showed expanding when they shot a grape.
I’m a huge fan of my 224 Valkyrie with a 60 gr vmax. I wish they loaded lighter ones in the Valkyrie.
6mm ARC with a V-Max please 75 Gr
This is not a comment, it is a question. Will putting a crimp on the v max change or hurt the bullet performance since it is very thin walled?
Thank you for your response in advance
From my PERSONAL experience, the answer is No. Your mileage may vary. .223 loaded 26.0gr target with 60gr VMAX with a medium factory crimp. 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards out of an 18in 1:8 twist AR. I hadn't loaded any varmint rounds for a while and misplaced my recipe so pulled one of my rounds apart to reverse engineer. Bullet was deformed from the crimp but my groups didn't care.
Thanks for your answer but wanting Hornadys answer to my question. I guess they do not view questions asked!
Oh my God I want the Tumblr
Please make some 75g Vmax’s in .25 cal, haven’t seen any in a while
223...53 grain v max and N-133 is magical...
I wish y'all would still make a 100 GR 25 CAL BULLET.
barnes does and they are awesome....and free load data unlike hornady cx that still doesnt have load data......these guys are selling perfume for pigs as far as I care...
Love the 53 grain vmax but having a bear of a time loading it for 22 nosler. Seating stem is leaving a ring on the bullet. Tried different styles of stems. Any recommendations to resolve this?
Is it a compressed load?
@hornady using 8208 29.2 grains with room to boot. Not compressed at all but the tension must alot. Thanks for the reply and help!!
BRING BACK THE Z MAX!
Me too I had a 22-259 I shot 55 grain V maxes
I love the V-Max in the 22 Hornett..thank you for a great bullet👉👉
Good choice!
Can we get a 95 grain Vmax for 6.5 grendel ?
They make 6.5mm 95gr V-Max. I use it for my Creedmoor but it should work for the Grendel too.
I like the vmax 125 gr 308.
This is my favorite hunting time of year. Nothing compares to out smarting a predator. Currently shooting the 53gr .223. Hopefully I can get the 60gr V-max outta the Valkyrie working right for those yotes that check up 3-500yds, otherwise a 22 Creed is on the horizon. Great work gentlemen. As far as I'm concerned you guys set the standard. Love and the products and the podcast. Keep setting the bar high.
Thanks for the kind words!
That 60gr out of the Valkyrie sounds like a great combination. Almost like a 22-250 for the AR!
6 arc coyote ammo please
I was shooting prairie dogs
I agree we need 6Arc brass and a varmint round loaded option
How do the pelts fair using the the 6arc?
It's a deer killer out of blackout not just varmint
Very interesting to listen to you guys. Very enjoyable.
Much appreciated!
Thank you 😊
Great show guys keep them coming!
Thank you! We will!