Oh. Yes. The Constellation class! This is one of my favorite Starfleet ship designs, and its a shame how little screen time it got. I really wish they would do a movie, or a series taking place sometime between the 2290s and the 2350s, after The Undiscovered Country, and before TNG. Some of my favorite ship designs, like the Constellation class, and the Ambassador class were at the peak of their service during those years, and they used the blue and green LCARS displays (like the one you guys used in this video), which is my favorite. I know a lot of my fellow trekkies would consider this akin to blasphemy, but personally I think the Ambassador class looks so much better than the Galaxy class, and the blue and green LCARS looks so much better than the purple, pink, orange, and yellow design on later Starfleet ships. So needless to say I would really love a series, or a movie like a prequel type thing with young Picard commanding the Stargazer, or else following the exploits of the Enterprise C, culminating with its destruction at Narendra III. It would be awesome to see Picard in his younger days, as well as the Stargazer when she was still in service, and looking clean and pristine, and there's also the Federation-Cardassian wars in the 2340s and 2350s that would make for some really great stories because the Cardassians are a most worthy adversary. Thanks for doing this one, guys! Live long, and prosper!
Great Ep 1. "The Battle" always made me want to see a mini-series of Picard's earlier adventures on the Stargazer. I always thought this was a cool design. Good job, guys!
I agree. When I first saw this ship, i fell in love with it. I was like "that's a beautiful ship". Awesome also. I had to have it. And now I do, from Eaglemoss collections. Love their line of ships. Very well crafted and detailed.
🖖😎👍Thanks guys this is truly one of my favorite designs of all time the Constellation Class indeed, Very nicely greatly well done and very wonderfully informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format indeed Sir's!👌...
The Constellation, especially with all the line-interrupting bulges and battle damage, looks like a musty old war horse of a ship. The extra nacelles, dual impulse hard points, and extra saucer thickness also add to the mystique, for me. I think they did an excellent job crafting this ship's specific lore, because it looks and reads like a failed experiment, another attempt by humanity to throw "more power!" at a problem as a means of overcoming it. The lore also reminds me of real-life otherwise failed military machines that were meant to tackle a big problem, but ended up far too expensive, poorly run, and ill-conceived, and were re-purposed into some modicum of usefulness with new tech bolted on. From some angles it looks menacing and more war-like than other Federation ships, and from other angles, it looks ungainly.
The Constellation and Cheyanne classes were always my favorites, for many reasons. Four nacelles and improved warp cores allow for better, 'thicker' shields, as well as better overall speed and power. Excess power could be routed to other systems, and in combat, that alone would be worth the cost of the additional nacelles. Since one could have shields fully charged, and fire both phasers and torpedoes, AND be traveling at maximum warp, all at the same time. Add in the added maneuverability given by the doubled impulse engines, and one has a hard-hitting, hard to kill, fast, maneuverable ship that can take on enemies far larger than itself. Just a few thoughts, Speaking Frank-ly
Great episode, guys! I'm looking forward to part 2. Any show that been around as long as Star Trek leaves a lot of loose threads, and the Constellation Class certainly ranks high among them. There are so many possibilities for this ship with all it's shuttle bays, but the writers never saw fit to explore those possibilities. Although there's no canon to support it, I always thought that this class of ship would be good for setting up mining colonies, or listening posts along the Neutral Zone. Speaking of loose threads, that might be a good Top Ten topic: Things we only saw in one episode, that we'd love to see again and learn more about.
Originaal Constellation was Probly named after USS Constellation, last sail only ship build for the US Navy which currently resides in Baltimore Harbor
Great episode as always! I love the TMP look and the quad-nacelles. When you start looking closely at it, I can understand some criticism it gets for a kit-bashy look, namely the obvious pylon halves glued to the aft of the primary hull, that serves no purpose other than to fill space. But the overall design of the Constellations is pretty cool. I'd love to see a Constellation refit with Excelsior parts. Or better yet, a Galaxy class version.
It's interesting with the torpedo tubes - there is a plate of some sort in front of them in its appearances, so it made me wonder if they really did have that many launchers, or if those structures are actually something else that just look like constitution class launchers
Impressive design. But I always wondered if the nacelles was space more apart and positioned slightly differently. Would it improve its overall appearance.
Well but there are lots of breaks, leaning against the counter, and bathroom breaks in there of course. I worked in retail for years and of course you can find a place to sit down in-between customers. A lot of stock rooms have basically been turned into little break rooms, if you're lucky someone even have a little Nook that you can lay down in behind some boxes and there's always something back there depending on who's the manager that night, you might have some food or a couple of cocktails until you hear somebody pushing paging someone's your department. Sorry I was taking a nap in the breakroom how can I help you? LOL
You guys missed all the added on phasers to the saucer! All the elevators from the Connie Refit saucer were replaced with single phaser emitters- giving this ship an extra six phasers around the edge of the saycer- with at least a four pointing aft
US Navy bridges have a lot of crew standing at their station. That said, those ships don't get tossed around like starships. Yesterday's Enterprise has a shot of Riker dieing when he's tossed around the bridge and breaks his neck.
Again, I think the more durable/combat focused design of the Constellation means the multiple nacelles could also be there for combat survivability. A Klingon or Romulan ship knocks out a nacelle, no problem. Just redirect all your warp power to whichever set is still active to create a stable warp field.
if I were to design s bridge with standing stations. I would include swivel stools (like old fashion drafting tables... that deployed from adjacent panels or directly up from the floor this would allow personnel to maintain and alert posture while having the ability to take the strain off their legs.
you guys got the first part right This class of TMP ship was made as a tribute to the USS Constellation (constitution) The AOY TOS version of this ship would have to be the Gemini class.
I guess it has a similar deflector philosophy as the miranda class. But with 4 warp nacelles, 2 dishes might've been cool or a big dish, a two split dishes, etc.
Love this ship! I wish they would recast ST6 and insert in in SpaceDock! I like to think that this ship was a Fallback if the "Great Experiment" Excelsior Class Failed
I always thought an acceptable refit for the constellation class would be a deletion of its undersized twin port and starboard shuttle bays, converting them into additional deuterium storage tanks to improve the classes overall operational range, she was a bit of a fuel hog after all, and small cargo bays. Expand the volume of the aft most shuttle bays by some 10-15% to compensate for the loss of the p/s bays and accept somewhat newer shuttlecraft designs such as the Type 6 and 7 as seen in TNG. The most extensive portions of the refit would involve a complete replacement of the ship dated eps conduits and relays to maximize energy efficiency and distribution, this is critical for the second part, deletion of the main bow shuttle bay and replacement with a small dedicated navigational deflector/focused long range sensor array which is flanked on both sides by modified Miranda class heavy phaser emitters with a decent amount of firing arc on both the x and y axis, to further emphasis the classes favored tactic of charging in quick to target area or formation at warp, lay down a heavy barrage of torpedo and phaser fire, come about, warp away for distance and attack the target area or formation from a different direction.
In this video, Captain Foley mentions that it doesn't seem "fair" or "productive" for a crewman to not have a chair for their watch on the bridge. I'd like to point out that there are many stations on US Naval ships that don't have chairs. On my old submarine, the Fire Control, fathometer and Navigation stations had no chairs. Watches are 6 hours long on a submarine and if a Starfleet vessel has a 4-shift rotation then so are theirs. It's not far-fetched that some stations on a starship bridge would not have chairs. As for the rather spartan bridge of the Stargazer, I think that's part of its charm. It just makes the Enterprise D's bridge look all the more luxurious by comparison.
One thing about the four nacelle configuration, and this was meant to address the underpower issue, Is that 1 pair of engines would be used and the other pair would be offline until the active pair needed to be taken offline for maintenance.
The Constellation as a kid watching TNG I always thought "Screw the Galaxy class! When i'm a Captain I want one of those bad boys!" Just generally more interesting and cool looking to me.....
another great episode one of my favorite ships from Star Trek even though it had a lot of teething problems there is just something about the look of it that scream Star Trek and I cannot wait for part two.
Still some audio inconsistencies. It sounds like the captain's mic has more dynamic range. It makes the commander sound slightly muffled. I would say get a new mic or tweak the mids and highs. This was a great episode, love the design of the saucer on the Constellation class, the thickness of it just seems way more realistic than most other ships. Thanks guys!
I always thought the Stargazer was the ugliest ship, but the TOS version, seen at 7:00 and again at 9:30, is possibly my favorite design ever, even more so than the Constitution and/or Federation class vessels. I can imagine it as a battleship, well scaled up and very powerful, making full use of 4 drives.
The galaxy class had rear torpedo launchers. They showed it in the first episode when they try to blind the Q sphere to let the saucer section escape after separation.
A note on standing on the job; At my current job the employer has provided motorized desks that can raise our consoles to standing height, and there is a lot of encouragement to do this for several hours at a time because standing is considerably more healthy than sitting for the entire day. I usually remain standing most of the 12-hour shift, really only sitting to eat. So perhaps the standing positions on the bridge of the Constellation class were designed with that in mind.
When I first saw this episode back when I was younger I was not a fan of the Constellation class ship.....Over the years watching the episode several times over and getting the Eaglemoss model it has become a favorite as it is in the command lineage of Picard.Although on the Eaglemoss model it seems like the saucer it not to the scale that it should be......any thoughts?
I am warming up to this design. I prefer it to the Movie era Cheetah class fast destroyer. however I think its too underarmed to be classified as a battleship, perhaps as a fighting frigate or a Crusier but not a heavy cruiser like enterprise, perhaps a heavy destroyer. I like the versatility . Great Job Stuart and Samuel.
I know many Terkies refer to the Constitution class ships as Connie's but in the US Navy the nick name "Connie" was used in reference to the USS Constellation CV 64.
Good job, guys! A lot of fanon in here, but that's okay for a ship that doesn't have a lot of established, canonical history. My compliments on a well-put-together vid! Something I want to add about aft torpedoes: I don't personally have a problem with the lack of aft weapons on smaller ships like the Constellation. This mainly comes from my submarine experience. Modern American submarines have between four-to-eight forward torpedo tubes and no aft-facing weapons. I just figure if the ship is small and maneuverable, aft weapons aren't as critical.
On the rear torpedo tubes, that's probably why Starfleet invented the phaser strips for a 360 degrees firing arc. If you play the Star Trek: Armada III mod that is actually one of the benefits the Federation has over the other factions.
This ship grew on me. No, you do not need a deflector dish. There are canon designs that do not have them. Not to mention the Klingons and Romulan ships never had them.
The Bridge setting suffered from antiquitech. The Star Trek V came out with a bossed up bridge computer operating system. JLP's Stargazer was gypped! It should have looked more like this particular bridge up grade for the Ambassador Bridge a website I cannot post the link for here for some reason.
+Trekyards Yeah, that's fantastic! I was pleased to discover last year that other people had discovered my model and used it in the renderings you showed. halfblog.net/2014/06/24/uss-pioneer-voyages-lightwave-starship-model/
It always annoyed me that in the TNG episode where Picard is mind controlled into re-fighting his battle on the Stargazer with the Enterprise D that the crew have to try and find which ship is the real one. If you know about the Picard manover you KNOW which one is the real one, it HAS TO BE the one closer to you, that's the only way it can work. You don't need some special sensor sweep to tell you which one is real.
Here is the Memory Alpha link to the Constellation Class ship, detailing the Stargazer, and some of this was obviously read within the video. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Constellation_class memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Stargazer
Yes. Memory Alpha is a huge reference for us (obviously). But it's only one of many sources we use. Combining all of the various sources together into one cohesive episode can sometimes be challenging. Occasionally direct quotes from various sources are used to ensure accuracy as well as mere convenance.
+Trekyards Memory Alpha is a great reference. I love episodes for treknology of pretty much all types. You have had so many great episodes so far, & i look forward to seeing them as they come out.
I'm surprised that, in neither this video nor part 2, the lack of a visible navigational dish was mentioned. TBH, it bothers me a lot when I can't see a deflector, since the deflector is needed to travel faster than light. Eventually I found some schematics telling me the two domes on the ventral fore were dual deflector emitters, which calmed me down...
+Davide Gagliardi deflectors come in a veriety of shapes and sizes, most common are the dish type. however on Miranda class there is no dish per say. there are however small devices port and starboard on the Dorsal side of the saucer, faceing foreward. on the Stargazer the deflection equipment is spread out along the foreward hull, and uses enhanced deflector grids to deflect oncoming debris.
Sources aside, I don't see this as being contemporary of the Enterprise refit. I had personally figured that the revised warp factor calculations came into being during the Ambassador-class era, aka the beginning of the TNG design aesthetic, and that four old-style (Wrath of Khan era) nacelles were needed to match the performance of TNG nacelles. Yes Constellations are old, but not THAT old!
form what I have been able to gather, star fleet uses a navy style watch cycle... which is 4 hours on 8 hours off so well you do stand for 8 hours a day, your only standing for 4 hours at astreach
I was going to ask, though I see someone beat me to it, where the navigational deflector dish is on this ship. I see the captain has tried his best to offer an answer but in the real world (of building the model) it does look like it has been forgotten about, given the prominence it has on every other star fleet ship? Ps. Is it ever explained a) why Picard was captain of this one ship for so long, and b) what he was doing in the rather long gap between abandoning the Stargazer and taking command of the Enterprise?
are the Federation warp capabilities in general (not just to the constellation class, but to all federation starships) inferior to other races? it just seems that the federation has the biggest engines/warp nacelles and always get overtaken by the enemy with smaller engines.
+Joshua Brown I think making a fast ship is one thing but making a fast ship that can also operate efficiently and safely for years or even decades without a major refurbishment is another. The Romulans for example have nearly limitless power with their quantum singularity drives, but they're inherently dangerous from the first moment they're powered up (you can't power down the core.. ever!). As said in this video, they had to install power limiters into these ships to prevent them from shaking themselves apart. Do other races put so much focus into such things? Can you imagine a Safety Officer in a Klingon Engineering section? heh
+TheCastellan Oh absolutely. I would argue that most of these advanced races would see the wisdom of joining the Federation and thus work to enhance it- but I'm sure that there's many many races that aren't interested in joining anyone that are leaps and bounds ahead.
+power543 if you're being really nit picky (and this is Trekyards, of course we are) the top ones aren't actually warp nacelles but sustainers. the top section isn't warp capable by itself, but the nacelles help sustain the warp field generated prior to a warp speed seperation. somewhat like the Galaxy class or a photon torpedo, though presumably for longer
Oh. Yes. The Constellation class! This is one of my favorite Starfleet ship designs, and its a shame how little screen time it got. I really wish they would do a movie, or a series taking place sometime between the 2290s and the 2350s, after The Undiscovered Country, and before TNG. Some of my favorite ship designs, like the Constellation class, and the Ambassador class were at the peak of their service during those years, and they used the blue and green LCARS displays (like the one you guys used in this video), which is my favorite. I know a lot of my fellow trekkies would consider this akin to blasphemy, but personally I think the Ambassador class looks so much better than the Galaxy class, and the blue and green LCARS looks so much better than the purple, pink, orange, and yellow design on later Starfleet ships. So needless to say I would really love a series, or a movie like a prequel type thing with young Picard commanding the Stargazer, or else following the exploits of the Enterprise C, culminating with its destruction at Narendra III. It would be awesome to see Picard in his younger days, as well as the Stargazer when she was still in service, and looking clean and pristine, and there's also the Federation-Cardassian wars in the 2340s and 2350s that would make for some really great stories because the Cardassians are a most worthy adversary. Thanks for doing this one, guys! Live long, and prosper!
The aft torpedo tube is between the impulse engines.
i really wish polar lights would make a kit for this ship, it would be a lot of fun putting this one together, a cool starship design
Great Ep 1. "The Battle" always made me want to see a mini-series of Picard's earlier adventures on the Stargazer. I always thought this was a cool design. Good job, guys!
I agree. When I first saw this ship, i fell in love with it. I was like "that's a beautiful ship". Awesome also. I had to have it. And now I do, from Eaglemoss collections. Love their line of ships. Very well crafted and detailed.
I guess it is kind of randomly asking but do anyone know of a good place to stream newly released movies online ?
@Brady Grady I watch on flixzone. Just google for it =)
11:25 there's a bit of a rendering issue where you can see through the hull side to the underside of the saucer.
🖖😎👍Thanks guys this is truly one of my favorite designs of all time the Constellation Class indeed, Very nicely greatly well done and very wonderfully informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format indeed Sir's!👌...
The Constellation, especially with all the line-interrupting bulges and battle damage, looks like a musty old war horse of a ship. The extra nacelles, dual impulse hard points, and extra saucer thickness also add to the mystique, for me. I think they did an excellent job crafting this ship's specific lore, because it looks and reads like a failed experiment, another attempt by humanity to throw "more power!" at a problem as a means of overcoming it. The lore also reminds me of real-life otherwise failed military machines that were meant to tackle a big problem, but ended up far too expensive, poorly run, and ill-conceived, and were re-purposed into some modicum of usefulness with new tech bolted on.
From some angles it looks menacing and more war-like than other Federation ships, and from other angles, it looks ungainly.
The Constellation and Cheyanne classes were always my favorites, for many reasons. Four nacelles and improved warp cores allow for better, 'thicker' shields, as well as better overall speed and power. Excess power could be routed to other systems, and in combat, that alone would be worth the cost of the additional nacelles. Since one could have shields fully charged, and fire both phasers and torpedoes, AND be traveling at maximum warp, all at the same time. Add in the added maneuverability given by the doubled impulse engines, and one has a hard-hitting, hard to kill, fast, maneuverable ship that can take on enemies far larger than itself.
Just a few thoughts,
Speaking Frank-ly
You would think that the extra nacelles would give them greater ability to tailor their warp field. Great for when you need to tow a ship!
Great episode, guys! I'm looking forward to part 2. Any show that been around as long as Star Trek leaves a lot of loose threads, and the Constellation Class certainly ranks high among them. There are so many possibilities for this ship with all it's shuttle bays, but the writers never saw fit to explore those possibilities. Although there's no canon to support it, I always thought that this class of ship would be good for setting up mining colonies, or listening posts along the Neutral Zone.
Speaking of loose threads, that might be a good Top Ten topic: Things we only saw in one episode, that we'd love to see again and learn more about.
In Star Trek Beyond, when they first arrive at Yorktown, you can hear a man on a loud speaker mention the Stargazer.
Liked Beyond a lot! Felt the most like Trek.
I clapped!
LaserAirsoftWeapons Ha ha yes. It was pretty cool.
I understood that reference!
I never noticed that, wow.
Originaal Constellation was Probly named after USS Constellation, last sail only ship build for the US Navy which currently resides in Baltimore Harbor
My lady friend and I were watching the episode where this class first appears, and sure enough, it shows up on Trekyards. Awesome.
Foley: "Yes, Stars. And those stars are sometimes in the shape of what we call...?"
Me: "Spheres!"
Foley: (facepalm)
Me: "...What?"
Great episode as always! I love the TMP look and the quad-nacelles. When you start looking closely at it, I can understand some criticism it gets for a kit-bashy look, namely the obvious pylon halves glued to the aft of the primary hull, that serves no purpose other than to fill space. But the overall design of the Constellations is pretty cool. I'd love to see a Constellation refit with Excelsior parts. Or better yet, a Galaxy class version.
It's interesting with the torpedo tubes - there is a plate of some sort in front of them in its appearances, so it made me wonder if they really did have that many launchers, or if those structures are actually something else that just look like constitution class launchers
Impressive design. But I always wondered if the nacelles was space more apart and positioned slightly differently. Would it improve its overall appearance.
I rewatched "The Battle" this week and the Stargazer was HUGE (as could be seen when Enterprise grabbed it with a tractor beam).
Just love how the makers of Star Trek spend so much time and effort into the development history of these scifi ships :D
ever work at a retail establishment? standing for 6-8 hours is pretty normal.
Well but there are lots of breaks, leaning against the counter, and bathroom breaks in there of course. I worked in retail for years and of course you can find a place to sit down in-between customers.
A lot of stock rooms have basically been turned into little break rooms, if you're lucky someone even have a little Nook that you can lay down in behind some boxes and there's always something back there depending on who's the manager that night, you might have some food or a couple of cocktails until you hear somebody pushing paging someone's your department. Sorry I was taking a nap in the breakroom how can I help you? LOL
You guys missed all the added on phasers to the saucer! All the elevators from the Connie Refit saucer were replaced with single phaser emitters- giving this ship an extra six phasers around the edge of the saycer- with at least a four pointing aft
US Navy bridges have a lot of crew standing at their station. That said, those ships don't get tossed around like starships. Yesterday's Enterprise has a shot of Riker dieing when he's tossed around the bridge and breaks his neck.
Love this class of ship, wish I could get a t6 version in star trek online
Again, I think the more durable/combat focused design of the Constellation means the multiple nacelles could also be there for combat survivability. A Klingon or Romulan ship knocks out a nacelle, no problem. Just redirect all your warp power to whichever set is still active to create a stable warp field.
Love that sensible, no-frills bridge. As for standing-only workstations, perhaps a localized decrease in artificial gravity aids the personnel.
+Timothy Page Also excessive sitting can be unhealthy!
if I were to design s bridge with standing stations. I would include swivel stools (like old fashion drafting tables... that deployed from adjacent panels or directly up from the floor this would allow personnel to maintain and alert posture while having the ability to take the strain off their legs.
those new eagelmoss models messed up making the saucer too thin. :/
you guys got the first part right This class of TMP ship was made as a tribute to the USS Constellation (constitution) The AOY TOS version of this ship would have to be the Gemini class.
I guess it has a similar deflector philosophy as the miranda class. But with 4 warp nacelles, 2 dishes might've been cool or a big dish, a two split dishes, etc.
Took a while for me to warm up to the design, but after getting into and playing SFB, it gave me a new appreciation for the look and feel of the ship.
It's impossible not to love te Constellation.
Love this ship! I wish they would recast ST6 and insert in in SpaceDock! I like to think that this ship was a Fallback if the "Great Experiment" Excelsior Class Failed
StarGAYzing it up hard.
I always thought an acceptable refit for the constellation class would be a deletion of its undersized twin port and starboard shuttle bays, converting them into additional deuterium storage tanks to improve the classes overall operational range, she was a bit of a fuel hog after all, and small cargo bays. Expand the volume of the aft most shuttle bays by some 10-15% to compensate for the loss of the p/s bays and accept somewhat newer shuttlecraft designs such as the Type 6 and 7 as seen in TNG. The most extensive portions of the refit would involve a complete replacement of the ship dated eps conduits and relays to maximize energy efficiency and distribution, this is critical for the second part, deletion of the main bow shuttle bay and replacement with a small dedicated navigational deflector/focused long range sensor array which is flanked on both sides by modified Miranda class heavy phaser emitters with a decent amount of firing arc on both the x and y axis, to further emphasis the classes favored tactic of charging in quick to target area or formation at warp, lay down a heavy barrage of torpedo and phaser fire, come about, warp away for distance and attack the target area or formation from a different direction.
14:39 What do you mean? Even the the pre-refit constitution class star ships had aft torpedoes, as seen in the episode "In a mirror darkly part 2"
And STO calls it a "heavy cruiser".
In this video, Captain Foley mentions that it doesn't seem "fair" or "productive" for a crewman to not have a chair for their watch on the bridge. I'd like to point out that there are many stations on US Naval ships that don't have chairs. On my old submarine, the Fire Control, fathometer and Navigation stations had no chairs. Watches are 6 hours long on a submarine and if a Starfleet vessel has a 4-shift rotation then so are theirs. It's not far-fetched that some stations on a starship bridge would not have chairs. As for the rather spartan bridge of the Stargazer, I think that's part of its charm. It just makes the Enterprise D's bridge look all the more luxurious by comparison.
One thing about the four nacelle configuration, and this was meant to address the underpower issue, Is that 1 pair of engines would be used and the other pair would be offline until the active pair needed to be taken offline for maintenance.
the iconic Picard Maneuver in STO became known as the Warp Mirage.
As switch-wear is often worse then use-wear I'd reckon that they used all 4 nacelles at lower power.
P.S.: there's a rendering error at 12:37
With that amount of hangar space I wonder if any were turned into cargo ships after Starfleet decommissioned them
The Constellation as a kid watching TNG I always thought "Screw the Galaxy class! When i'm a Captain I want one of those bad boys!"
Just generally more interesting and cool looking to me.....
another great episode
one of my favorite ships from Star Trek even though it had a lot of teething problems there is just something about the look of it that scream Star Trek and I cannot wait for part two.
Still some audio inconsistencies. It sounds like the captain's mic has more dynamic range. It makes the commander sound slightly muffled. I would say get a new mic or tweak the mids and highs. This was a great episode, love the design of the saucer on the Constellation class, the thickness of it just seems way more realistic than most other ships. Thanks guys!
Remember. It's only Part 1.
+Trekyards Yes, sir!
+Trekyards Thank YOU! :D I been waiting for this one ~HUG!~ ^_^ My fav trek ship :D
I always thought the Stargazer was the ugliest ship, but the TOS version, seen at 7:00 and again at 9:30, is possibly my favorite design ever, even more so than the Constitution and/or Federation class vessels. I can imagine it as a battleship, well scaled up and very powerful, making full use of 4 drives.
I could have sworn that in the first broadcast of that episode they missed redubbing one of the uses of Constitution Class.
At first I hated this ship class. Now as time has passed, I really like it.
The Stargazer Class on STO for a episode
The galaxy class had rear torpedo launchers. They showed it in the first episode when they try to blind the Q sphere to let the saucer section escape after separation.
Yet again a great video! I like the Connie! Thanks so much!
A note on standing on the job;
At my current job the employer has provided motorized desks that can raise our consoles to standing height, and there is a lot of encouragement to do this for several hours at a time because standing is considerably more healthy than sitting for the entire day. I usually remain standing most of the 12-hour shift, really only sitting to eat.
So perhaps the standing positions on the bridge of the Constellation class were designed with that in mind.
I loved my Dakota-class variant before I went on down the line. Still have that cruiser fully kitted out in case I want to go back to it in STO.
When I first saw this episode back when I was younger I was not a fan of the Constellation class ship.....Over the years watching the episode several times over and getting the Eaglemoss model it has become a favorite as it is in the command lineage of Picard.Although on the Eaglemoss model it seems like the saucer it not to the scale that it should be......any thoughts?
Was the Hathaway preserved for the Starfleet ships museum.....
Switching between nescells, sounds like MDS or Active Fuel Management in cars today
I am warming up to this design. I prefer it to the Movie era Cheetah class fast destroyer. however I think its too underarmed to be classified as a battleship, perhaps as a fighting frigate or a Crusier but not a heavy cruiser like enterprise, perhaps a heavy destroyer. I like the versatility . Great Job Stuart and Samuel.
The sad thing is, the only commonly available model of the Constellation is the Eaglemoss one, and it's inaccurate because the saucer is far too thin.
I thought it was just LeVar that said Constitution. I love learning these new facts :)
I know many Terkies refer to the Constitution class ships as Connie's but in the US Navy the nick name "Connie" was used in reference to the USS Constellation CV 64.
The Enterprise was called "The Big E" as I recall, yes?
Yes
Man I didn't realize how much the scale of this ship was off on that episode...WAY too big
One of only two(to the best of my knowlege) canonical quad-nacelle ships alonside the Cheyenne class.
What is the ship in the background at 4:19 ?
this is a very cool ship , i loved seeing it in TNG. would of bin nice to see more of it tho, good work guys
Good job, guys! A lot of fanon in here, but that's okay for a ship that doesn't have a lot of established, canonical history. My compliments on a well-put-together vid! Something I want to add about aft torpedoes: I don't personally have a problem with the lack of aft weapons on smaller ships like the Constellation. This mainly comes from my submarine experience. Modern American submarines have between four-to-eight forward torpedo tubes and no aft-facing weapons. I just figure if the ship is small and maneuverable, aft weapons aren't as critical.
+Darin Wagner I keep thinking they got rear launchers myself, it looks like it does on the model.
Question to ask, answer and discuss in Part 2:
Where is the navigational deflector on the Constellation class cruiser?
Thanks in advance!
Probably in one of the many sensor domes located on the bottom of the saucer.
On the rear torpedo tubes, that's probably why Starfleet invented the phaser strips for a 360 degrees firing arc.
If you play the Star Trek: Armada III mod that is actually one of the benefits the Federation has over the other factions.
This ship grew on me. No, you do not need a deflector dish. There are canon designs that do not have them. Not to mention the Klingons and Romulan ships never had them.
Are all saucer-ed vessels designed for saucer separation?
nope only and handfull of ships can.
nope only and handfull of ships can.
The Bridge setting suffered from antiquitech. The Star Trek V came out with a bossed up bridge computer operating system. JLP's Stargazer was gypped! It should have looked more like this particular bridge up grade for the Ambassador Bridge a website I cannot post the link for here for some reason.
In the show TNG the ship looks as if at least 400m long. So what is correct?
Great Opening you two stargazers!
Ooh, you showed my own USS Pioneer design. :D
Hope that's ok. Lol.
+Trekyards Yeah, that's fantastic! I was pleased to discover last year that other people had discovered my model and used it in the renderings you showed.
halfblog.net/2014/06/24/uss-pioneer-voyages-lightwave-starship-model/
Beautiful ship btw.
+Trekyards Thanks. I know it splits opinions, but it was a labour of love and there are some details in it I'm really proud of.
+Foomandoonian I quite like it myself :D I think I used it for some 3d art of my own before. :)
It always annoyed me that in the TNG episode where Picard is mind controlled into re-fighting his battle on the Stargazer with the Enterprise D that the crew have to try and find which ship is the real one. If you know about the Picard manover you KNOW which one is the real one, it HAS TO BE the one closer to you, that's the only way it can work. You don't need some special sensor sweep to tell you which one is real.
I would think 4 nacelles would be useful for cargo haulers for extending the warp field around attached cargo modules.
My favoritee
Ships are, excelsior, constellation, Galaxy, soverigen, Akira, intrepid, and nebula. Probably many more
STO has it available and the C store version has the Picard Maneuver console. :D
If Starfleet ran their ships anything like the U.S. Navy, a standard shift (watch) is 4 hours.
I know the Klingons do 4-5 Hour shifts with 3-4 Blocks of shifts per Ship Day
As for Starfleet? I presume it to be similar...
Most Starfleet ships have three 8 hour work days/watches usually called Alpha, Beta, and Gamma Watch.
So do U.S. Naval sailors work 2 four hour watches per day?
@@joerogers9413 it also depends on what the commanding officer chooses to have implemented.
@@henrynorcrossii3363 True.... Captain's privilege.
Extra Nacelles create blind spots in sensor sweeps, creating a dangerous exploit for a canny enemy.
Here is the Memory Alpha link to the Constellation Class ship, detailing the Stargazer, and some of this was obviously read within the video. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Constellation_class
memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Stargazer
Yes. Memory Alpha is a huge reference for us (obviously). But it's only one of many sources we use. Combining all of the various sources together into one cohesive episode can sometimes be challenging. Occasionally direct quotes from various sources are used to ensure accuracy as well as mere convenance.
+Trekyards Memory Alpha is a great reference. I love episodes for treknology of pretty much all types. You have had so many great episodes so far, & i look forward to seeing them as they come out.
I'm surprised that, in neither this video nor part 2, the lack of a visible navigational dish was mentioned. TBH, it bothers me a lot when I can't see a deflector, since the deflector is needed to travel faster than light. Eventually I found some schematics telling me the two domes on the ventral fore were dual deflector emitters, which calmed me down...
It has no deflector, though I think maybe the addition of two additional nacelles might compensate for it somehow. Just a guess!
Where is the Deflector Dish? I was looking at mine in STO and for the life me find it
loving the mars class
how do you guys do your Hotmail account spell wise I have some old deck plans for the constellation class and some old schematics of her also
i wonder where the deflector is located
+Davide Gagliardi deflectors come in a veriety of shapes and sizes, most common are the dish type. however on Miranda class there is no dish per say. there are however small devices port and starboard on the Dorsal side of the saucer, faceing foreward. on the Stargazer the deflection equipment is spread out along the foreward hull, and uses enhanced deflector grids to deflect oncoming debris.
I've always liked this ship. probably because I like redundancy but to be honest its the cool refit style nacelles that do it for me.
It's probably one of the ugliest ships I've ever seen.
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OK, Millennial...🙄
@@charlestaylor253 Not at all. Have you seen the Stargazer-A from Picard? MUCH better.
Sources aside, I don't see this as being contemporary of the Enterprise refit. I had personally figured that the revised warp factor calculations came into being during the Ambassador-class era, aka the beginning of the TNG design aesthetic, and that four old-style (Wrath of Khan era) nacelles were needed to match the performance of TNG nacelles. Yes Constellations are old, but not THAT old!
Question where the hell is the navigational deflector dish on this class.
Clearly in one of the sensor palettes located in the domes on the underside of the saucer.
what model is that hes holding? is it the eaglemoss version or something else?
form what I have been able to gather, star fleet uses a navy style watch cycle... which is 4 hours on 8 hours off so well you do stand for 8 hours a day, your only standing for 4 hours at astreach
I would assume it was designed well after constitution, but on par with consittution refit
Hey is it Commander Cockings who does the CGI animations or is it Captain Foley?
+Darin Wagner Commander, Captain do what Captain do...
I'd love to see an episode on the Cheyenne class.
I was going to ask, though I see someone beat me to it, where the navigational deflector dish is on this ship. I see the captain has tried his best to offer an answer but in the real world (of building the model) it does look like it has been forgotten about, given the prominence it has on every other star fleet ship? Ps. Is it ever explained a) why Picard was captain of this one ship for so long, and b) what he was doing in the rather long gap between abandoning the Stargazer and taking command of the Enterprise?
+inky The navigational deflector's in the same place as the Miranda class deflector
+Shawn McDonald that's what worries me ;-)
are the Federation warp capabilities in general (not just to the constellation class, but to all federation starships) inferior to other races? it just seems that the federation has the biggest engines/warp nacelles and always get overtaken by the enemy with smaller engines.
+Joshua Brown I think making a fast ship is one thing but making a fast ship that can also operate efficiently and safely for years or even decades without a major refurbishment is another. The Romulans for example have nearly limitless power with their quantum singularity drives, but they're inherently dangerous from the first moment they're powered up (you can't power down the core.. ever!). As said in this video, they had to install power limiters into these ships to prevent them from shaking themselves apart. Do other races put so much focus into such things? Can you imagine a Safety Officer in a Klingon Engineering section? heh
+Shawn McDonald Federation is fairly young, the older alien races most likely have far superior technology in some cases.
+Joshua Brown it's actually canon that the enterprise d was faster than a romulan warbird and the klingon ships we saw on TNG.
+TheCastellan Oh absolutely. I would argue that most of these advanced races would see the wisdom of joining the Federation and thus work to enhance it- but I'm sure that there's many many races that aren't interested in joining anyone that are leaps and bounds ahead.
the Jem'hardar stand and they seem to be damn productive in destuction lol
Very informative. I like it.
Using only two nacelles would allow the ship's remaining nacelles to be serviced while still at warp. Try that with just two nacelles on a ship.
Where did you get the design history from? I can't remember that being from the actual show.
Correction: The prometheus has 5 nacelles.
+Diax1324 Well 6...but we meant 4 primary nacelles! Thanks!
power543 Isn't it 5 though? There's two for the bottom sections, and one tiny on on top of the top section.
There are 2 small nacelles in the saucer section :) on on the top and one on the bottom :)
power543 Thank you for correcting me
+power543 if you're being really nit picky (and this is Trekyards, of course we are) the top ones aren't actually warp nacelles but sustainers. the top section isn't warp capable by itself, but the nacelles help sustain the warp field generated prior to a warp speed seperation. somewhat like the Galaxy class or a photon torpedo, though presumably for longer
Always thought the front was a deflector array not a shuttle bay. Where it the deflector dish/array.