$11B Failed Option YOLO Ends In Disaster!

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  • @jeronimooooo0000
    @jeronimooooo0000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    Bro, I hope the absolute best for WSM. It feels like a business school project that went too far and I love it

    • @AlexanderTheGoodEnough
      @AlexanderTheGoodEnough 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      my business school project that went too far was drawing up a business plan for an escort service.
      (I'm too proud not to mention it; My target clients were high earning women with high BMI's and I was supplying hot guys with culinary skills for private home dinner dates, called it "Cooks with Looks")

    • @Dustin732
      @Dustin732 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@AlexanderTheGoodEnoughdamn that's good.

    • @ferdinandwilhelm8749
      @ferdinandwilhelm8749 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great way to put it haha. Great channel

    • @radicalbarrel2729
      @radicalbarrel2729 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AlexanderTheGoodEnough sick

  • @barrywilliams991
    @barrywilliams991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    So, 22% to 12% is not 10% less. It's 10 points less. 22% to 12% is cutting it by nearly 50%.

  • @crinklecut3790
    @crinklecut3790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +172

    So with all that fraud did anybody go to jail?

    • @TooLateForIeago
      @TooLateForIeago 2 ปีที่แล้ว +129

      Don't be silly. That would protect the public.

    • @chiquita683
      @chiquita683 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      It's a club

    • @Drago-fc3zl
      @Drago-fc3zl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      Jail is for poor people, he will get a slap on the wrist fine.

    • @raindrizzle14
      @raindrizzle14 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Lol jail?

    • @steverl22
      @steverl22 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Drago-fc3zl why would they🤔 Welcome to America 🕺

  • @samsonsoturian6013
    @samsonsoturian6013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    4:00 Shorting volatility is like picking up change from railroad tracks. Super profitable, as long as you can evade the oncoming train.

    • @tomlxyz
      @tomlxyz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't get the analogy fully. Are there any coins on railroad tracks or are you making a hypothetical situation?

    • @tanner9956
      @tanner9956 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@tomlxyz bruh how do you not get it

    • @scarfo441
      @scarfo441 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tanner9956 ,😂😂😂😂

  • @sengvang3718
    @sengvang3718 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    So I guess at the end of the day we're all just a bunch of degenerates doing YOLOs with our or somebody else's money.

  • @alexanderm2702
    @alexanderm2702 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The problem with having hedge strikes at -40% isn't that they're unlikely to be worth anything, the problem is that if they "pay off", then all they're doing is capping your long portfolio losses at -40%. It's like buying insurance and declaring your house is worth only 60% of its actual value so you can pocket the cost savings. it works most of the time...

    • @andrewjackson82
      @andrewjackson82 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree…I can never see the value in out of the money options 🤷‍♂️

    • @bobdole870
      @bobdole870 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@andrewjackson82if the market moves rapidly in the correct direction, out of the money options will give you higher returns than at the money or in the money. Odds are much lower to profit though.

  • @piguyalamode164
    @piguyalamode164 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When you yolo so badly the SEC and Justice department get involved...

  • @PayPal68
    @PayPal68 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    It seems like everytime you see these huge blow ups, the investors are pension funds. The creation of tax code 401k is wonderful thing.

  • @lombardo141
    @lombardo141 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    If I was shown this chart 3:29 I would have walked out of the investment meeting. 😂

    • @LiberatedMind1
      @LiberatedMind1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For real, wtf is that shit 😆

  • @robertlazorko7350
    @robertlazorko7350 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Alpha is not a "general term". It is a specific mathematical quantification of the excess return of a given investment relative to a benchmark.

  • @davidh4632
    @davidh4632 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    It was a short vol strategy that broke due to insufficient hedges if vol moved higher. Whilst there was clear fraud on getting investors into the fund, the performance of the fund would have been the same regardless as this was the investment strategy. Also, makes you wonder about what the compliance department were doing not reviewing marketing material that was fabricated.

    • @nickmckenna2801
      @nickmckenna2801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      They were complying, duh, they’re called the compliance department

    • @davidh4632
      @davidh4632 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nickmckenna2801 all marketing to retail and presentations have to be signed off by marketing. You might of thought they would have noticed the risk/rtn numbers were altered. Wouldn't take much to look at internal fund pricing systems to check rtns at least.

    • @johnaashmore
      @johnaashmore 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We merely reinterpreted the data, no fraud here. Don't make me sue you bro, we may be broke but we handed a huge amount to lawyers to cover our ass before the implosion hit.

  • @AlexanderTheGoodEnough
    @AlexanderTheGoodEnough 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    when owning the underlying, I've found the best way to hedge against a downturn is to sell calls against those shares with a delta no greater than 0.30, then buy puts at the money or at least above your adjusted cost basis if you've been using your position to generate premiums since acquiring the underlying.

    • @dustinnguyen6494
      @dustinnguyen6494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      can u explain why choose delta less than 0.30 thank you

    • @AlexanderTheGoodEnough
      @AlexanderTheGoodEnough 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dustinnguyen6494 closer to the money for those sold calls to offset cost of bought puts at the money.
      Strikes of those sold calls can be adjusted up of course, but that would mean spending more.

  • @CARTMANBRAWH
    @CARTMANBRAWH ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I swear i never miss one of video, i even searched your old video

  • @tfive24
    @tfive24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Shouldn't it been a clue, when they were getting high return with low risk?

    • @Hidavi
      @Hidavi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes but its also exactly what they were looking for so that cancels out the suspicion

    • @tomlxyz
      @tomlxyz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Hidavi It's something one shouldn't look for. Anything that is actually very profitable will immediately see a jump in value so the future return is low percentage compared to the valuation. Only those who went in before it was certain (and therefore had risk) will benefit from the high probability

    • @techlon
      @techlon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ironically investing in something boring like an S&P500 tracker would be low fee and over the long term a solid performer. Anyone managing a pension fund however may like to be wooed by financial giants who may do whatever it takes to get their business. Weak link is people as always!

    • @Simonio8
      @Simonio8 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      More like "Low risk, high returns you say. Where do I sign?" Amirite?

  • @Mesozoic_mammal
    @Mesozoic_mammal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Is it just me or do the fees always seem higher when foreign companies are involved and that US banks only get a slap on the wrist and are allowed to keep the illegal gains?
    Don't get me wrong, I like it when a company has to pay for their wicked shenanigans, it just seems to me that US companies get treated much more lightly by the US investigators

    • @tobias2688
      @tobias2688 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Exactly like Monsanto only got into trouble after it was acquired by Bayer, although it was already in the spotlight for many years before.

  • @cscarlton24
    @cscarlton24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I actually grew up with Greg’s kids. This is crazy!

  • @incremental_failure
    @incremental_failure 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The only reason the penalties were so high is because Allianz isn't American. If this was an American bank, they'd get a slap on the wrist and "bad dog", admitting to nothing.

    • @d_all_in
      @d_all_in 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually the majority of fines levied against banks are by the US government. 99% of sactions violations are prosecuted by the US.

    • @incremental_failure
      @incremental_failure 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@d_all_in How is that related? I know US banks get penalised as well but the penalties are far lesser. This is because the FED, US government agencies and banks are best friends and help each other when possible.
      Take a look how Cohen's SAC Capital was blatantly using insider information for years and Cohen walked free, only some lowly employee got penalised. This was far far worse anything Allianz did.

  • @michaelsanchez4380
    @michaelsanchez4380 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So what ended up happening to the rogue portfolio manager? I feel like this should have been addressed in the video.

    • @jerrybaird2059
      @jerrybaird2059 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. The channel seeks self protection.

  • @baron17
    @baron17 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6.35 not factual. Even though strikes are 50% of current spot, a sharp drop like in March 2020 though less than 50% drop will cause these deep out of money puts to also surge in price due to volatility spike and increased probability that they might get in money

  • @lafawarz4990
    @lafawarz4990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I fr just wanna say that your channel is awesome, I signed up for your newsletter and appreciate every video you put up here!

  • @tuomasholo
    @tuomasholo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow imagine having your pension lose over 90% of your investment in such a short amount of time. Crazy. It’s like Vegas.

  • @ahmadadiyaat9779
    @ahmadadiyaat9779 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Greg Tornant looks like an alternate Dave Franco pursuing a finance career.

  • @MrGmac2011
    @MrGmac2011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Keep up the good work. Thanks for educating us. My favorite youtube channel these days.

  • @huddunlap3999
    @huddunlap3999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did I miss the part where people went to jail?

  • @minhongz
    @minhongz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    High return and low risk, perpetual motion machine, snake oil, etc...

  • @barontv450
    @barontv450 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why do pension funds always get into these weird funds had they just got into a normal S&P 500 ETF theyd been fine

  • @rew434
    @rew434 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The website is gone 😓😥

  • @samsonsoturian6013
    @samsonsoturian6013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It sounds like they wanted to run a hedge fund but legally couldn't.

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    High returns low risk?😳

  • @LudosErgoSum
    @LudosErgoSum 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What I've learned so far from these WSM videos, is...
    ...don't trust big banks and institutions with your money.
    ...the safest bet to become rich(er), is to scam everybody else.

    • @StephenGillie
      @StephenGillie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      One of the safest things to do with your money is store it as USD in an US American bank or credit union's checking or savings account.

    • @VagPoop_
      @VagPoop_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StephenGillie no bc inflation

  • @sngs9565
    @sngs9565 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about more success stories rather than failure, Wall Street Millennial?

  • @WiseOnion
    @WiseOnion 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your name is James Chen.

  • @djayjp
    @djayjp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some justice achieved. Incredible!

  • @katherinesmith8873
    @katherinesmith8873 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow. That is crazy.

  • @leadingauctions8440
    @leadingauctions8440 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What percentage of the lost money from the pension funds and investors was recovered?

  • @justfindit
    @justfindit 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love WSM and love binging it here on YT. But I suggest you can just say “this episode” rather than “video and podcast” and “if you’re listening from Spotify or Apple podcast.” Understand that you’re now branching out to the podcast medium but it sounds odd and takes me out of it when I’m watching it on TH-cam. Can just add a line at the end saying that the content is available both on YT and via podcast. Anyway a little advice.

  • @justinfloyd9936
    @justinfloyd9936 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I subbed at under 20k i cant beleive how much you have grown keep it up bro

  • @patmat.
    @patmat. 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well between Deutsch Bank and Allianz it seems that the german finance industry got crushed.

  • @mikestarks8464
    @mikestarks8464 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    same egos and impatience as Long Term Capital Management in the 90's

  • @drevil2675
    @drevil2675 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These people should go to hell instead of jail.

  • @jaytang4954
    @jaytang4954 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i have haves said to thing is when i come to investing
    look at etf performances
    then pick the companies in them as single holdings
    boom eft wit out the management fees
    and typically better performance
    and you can pick the best holding in each etf
    and see what they hold collectively write puts for for free money

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The problem being ETFs do block trading, meaning the cost per share bought for them is a tiny fraction as it is for you. Ergo, you will likely get the same performance as a passive ETF. Meaning active ETFs and closed end funds are often invested in exotic or illiquid assets (like private equity and swaps) that you simply don't have access to.
      Although it is worthwhile to assemble your own ETF if you want.

  • @axe863
    @axe863 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Alpha is the return in excess of systematic risk factors .....

  • @akin242002
    @akin242002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So basically playing with options using other people's money, and using eloquent marking buzzwords to hide it. Sounds like Wallstreet bets with a more creative vocabulary 🤔.

  • @bravosierra2447
    @bravosierra2447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The guys thumbnail pic looks like he uses crisp $100 dollar bills to clean his teeth 😬

  • @senseiadam-brawlstars9465
    @senseiadam-brawlstars9465 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice video!

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Advanced investment strategies 😂

  • @Footballsplicefc
    @Footballsplicefc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Greed is everywhere these days,😥

  • @forbesy33
    @forbesy33 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some jail time coming up for those clowns

  • @Zuranthus
    @Zuranthus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    every time a billionaire loses all their money an angel gets its wings

  • @alejandrogiha7583
    @alejandrogiha7583 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so no one went to jail...

  • @FullmetalGambler
    @FullmetalGambler 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don’t mind me just boosting the TH-cam algorithm

  • @jahjoeka
    @jahjoeka 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much jail time was that?

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Performance fees 🧐😳

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hedges didn’t hedge 🧐😳

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Advanced investment strategies lmao 😂

  • @TwinJalanugraha
    @TwinJalanugraha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the words disaster and option are often are together

    • @tomlxyz
      @tomlxyz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What if you go short on disaster options?

    • @dirtydangler
      @dirtydangler 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tomlxyz what a dumb question

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who signed off on this bs? 👏

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Heads I win tails you lose 😮

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    $6billion in fees😎😉🧐

  • @gomahklawm4446
    @gomahklawm4446 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These people RARELY go to jail, and if they do, not for long. Hence why lying to investors is so common..... shady state....

  • @Mojavekight17
    @Mojavekight17 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just wow

  • @Moyopheus
    @Moyopheus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Disgusting. Capitalism needs reform.

  • @kingmike40
    @kingmike40 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did these people have to go to college to learn this or is fraud in their genes.

  • @wrxrob2589
    @wrxrob2589 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve done this with 10k, it hurts but it is what it is

    • @VagPoop_
      @VagPoop_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      U still down?

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excess returns?! 😎

  • @auraguard0212
    @auraguard0212 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The best way to become a millionare is to start as a billionare and take advice from the internet.

  • @Meowmeow.age.6
    @Meowmeow.age.6 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like selling puts.... And keep on rolling baby.
    KEEP ROLLING ROLLING ROLLING WHAT

  • @1957powerwagon
    @1957powerwagon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the more complex the strategy, the higher the risk.

  • @Derekzparty
    @Derekzparty 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Heads I Win.
    Tails You Lose.

  • @ahndeux
    @ahndeux 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Options are just financial WMDs.

    • @scarfo441
      @scarfo441 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The fastest way for a retail trader to make rich is options... equity investments have a higher risk level than options

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lucrative fees 🧐

  • @darkspace5762
    @darkspace5762 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Crooks lol

  • @NuclearSavety
    @NuclearSavety 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thats capitalism, everything goes well, the guys on top benefit, everything goes to shlt, the guys at the bottom suffer ...

    • @georgek2499
      @georgek2499 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Capitalism is opening a highly profitable pizza shop cause you’re an awesome pizza maker. This is just plain theft.

    • @d_all_in
      @d_all_in 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So tired of people blaming CaPitaLiSm for everything as if the most successful system in human history is broken. Let me guess, you're a socialist despite every socialist state being a total shithole.

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Elite 😳

  • @aryapatel7615
    @aryapatel7615 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the more i see hedge fund video the more i realise they sems to more and more like degen gamblers

  • @davidjackson7675
    @davidjackson7675 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    YOLO = You only live once?

    • @d_all_in
      @d_all_in 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Alpha beta screwa 😉

  • @brookss2141
    @brookss2141 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Investing based on volatility is a profitable game of Russian roulette.

  • @nguyentt4079
    @nguyentt4079 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So Fraud.....

  • @meyer7006
    @meyer7006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    have you been grocery shopping lately? Things are already ugly. The best bet for anyone with a brain is to get in on a passive income stream while you still can, doesn't matter which one it is just get on it and stay committed...

    • @harrisonl226
      @harrisonl226 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And what fraud might you commit with our money?

  • @chetan.sharan
    @chetan.sharan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3 comment

  • @stuartegrin7543
    @stuartegrin7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    😂

  • @niyazgill691
    @niyazgill691 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    First comment....yay!!!!

    • @chetan.sharan
      @chetan.sharan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      U beat me by 27 seconds😓

  • @panzervalkyrie9299
    @panzervalkyrie9299 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sept 15 (Reuters) - A U.S. judge on Thursday set a 2024 trial date for former Allianz SE (ALVG.DE) executive Gregoire Tournant

  • @alan-zl7ee
    @alan-zl7ee 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    $trka about to run news on earnings coming Monday thank me later...💯🦍🦍🦍🔥🔥🔥🔥🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀