Funny how you showing Shaq’s bloccs but not Kobe’s steals ! Do you know who Kobe is guarding in comparison to who Shaq is guarding ? Do yall even know any centers from 2000-2010? Like fr answer this shit and not goggle dumb shit
@@YoItsTEE now post the playoff stats en route to the finals. The East conference has always bn bullshit. Post those numbers vs spurs kings n blazers. I'll wait. Cuz that's where the real competition was at. In the west. The finals was always a foregone conclusion.
He was superman by his own admittance. Kobe was batman. Average build and out worked everyone. Fun fact Kobe in that second title run was better than LeBron and kd in their 2nd title runs.
1 Shaq was definitely numero uno in a 3 chips 2 On the Dirk ring argument. A great team can over power a couple of stars. Like Pistons beating LA. It's rare but if constructed right, it's possible.
2004 Pistons had 4 All Star caliber players see the 2006 All Star game the “Pistons lineup” wins it for the East they were the better team then 04 Lakers in 2011 Heat were the far better team
The Stats below clearly show and prove that Kobe and Shaq shared leadership responsibilities and took turns destroying their opponents just like Magic and Kareem. #2000 Playoffs + Finals Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast Kobe 21ppg 4reb 4ast * Kobe led in scoring 6x * Shaq led in scoring 16x O’Neal led the team in scoring 16 games during the playoffs with games scoring 46, 43, 41, 41, 40 plus eight other 30 point games. Bryant proved his offensive and defensive (All Defense) skill leading the team in scoring six times with highs being 35, 33, 32 and 32 again at the age of 21. 😂 ____ #2001 Playoffs + Finals Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast Kobe 29ppg 7reb 6ast * Kobe led in scoring 8x * Shaq led in scoring 8x Through this playoff run Shaq led the team in scoring in eight games scoring 30 points or better seven times and 40 points three times. Kobe on the other hand was (All Defense) and led the team in scoring in eight games, scoring 30 points or more in seven games and two games over 40 including the team playoff high of 48 points at the age of 22. 😂 ____ #2002 Playoffs + Finals Shaq 28ppg 12reb 2ast Kobe 26ppg 5reb 4ast * Kobe led in scoring 10x * Shaq led in scoring 9x O’Neal was the team scoring leader in nine playoff games, eight times scoring 30 or more points. Kobe was (All Defense) and led the team in ten playoff games, six times scoring 30 or more points at the age of 23. 😂
What ya'll all failing to realize is this Kobe and Shaq situation is completely different than any other duo because Shaq or Kobe couldn't be stopped. They came to be 2 of the best players in NBA history. It's like having 2 Michael Jordan's on the same team. They were both Batman, because if one came up slightly short the other could carry the load daily.
Many people don't know Kobe played better in the earlier playoff rounds. Kobe was more reliable in the 4th and closed out games. calling him Robin is selling kobe short. The Duo was More like Batman (Kobe) Assisting Superman (Shaq) on a mission.
The analogy is both wrong and cringey. It extrapolates a few minutes of better value and acts like it’s equal to 46 minutes of better.value. The same people who claim the 2000 finals (for example) put Kobe on level ground with Shaq because of his clutch play in Game 4 will ignore that Shaq won games 1 and 2 with Kobe averaged 7 PPG 😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 46 mins of great play is worth nothing when u lose at the end. When you're a liability at the free throw , Can't guard the pick N Roll to save your life, and Probably got 5 fouls going on 6.
@@hardwoodthought1213 besides the 2000 playoff run. Kobe Was On par with Shaq in the 01 and 02 playoffs. Honestly, U can argue In 2001 Kobe had Better playoff run than Shaq from an Overall standpoint.
@@woketv781Except we know for a fact that if you play great for 46 minutes you can either simply win the game already or even if it needs clutch play that can be provided by others, Kobes ability to perform in the clutch doesn’t happen if you don’t keep it close for 46 minutes of a game
The Stats below clearly show and prove that Kobe and Shaq shared leadership responsibilities and took turns destroying their opponents just like Magic and Kareem. #2000 Playoffs + Finals Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast Kobe 21ppg 4reb 4ast * Kobe led in scoring 6x * Shaq led in scoring 16x O’Neal led the team in scoring 16 games during the playoffs with games scoring 46, 43, 41, 41, 40 plus eight other 30 point games. Bryant proved his offensive and defensive (All Defense) skill leading the team in scoring six times with highs being 35, 33, 32 and 32 again at the age of 21. 😂 ____ #2001 Playoffs + Finals Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast Kobe 29ppg 7reb 6ast * Kobe led in scoring 8x * Shaq led in scoring 8x Through this playoff run Shaq led the team in scoring in eight games scoring 30 points or better seven times and 40 points three times. Kobe on the other hand was (All Defense) and led the team in scoring in eight games, scoring 30 points or more in seven games and two games over 40 including the team playoff high of 48 points at the age of 22. 😂 ____ #2002 Playoffs + Finals Shaq 28ppg 12reb 2ast Kobe 26ppg 5reb 4ast * Kobe led in scoring 10x * Shaq led in scoring 9x O’Neal was the team scoring leader in nine playoff games, eight times scoring 30 or more points. Kobe was (All Defense) and led the team in ten playoff games, six times scoring 30 or more points at the age of 23. 😂
Gil was literally lying. Saying when Kobe took over, they were 3-4 when Shaq was out, when they only lost 3 of their first 30 games in total. Hang up the Kobe slander. He's GOATed
@@lancejacobsen8372he speaking facts. Go back n watch the games . Shaq was the best in the league, double teams tripple teams shaq carried that team for years.
@@oscarmoore4907 he’s absolutely isn’t…Kobe accounted for more points with points and assists and was superior defender and finisher of the game.. the media loved Shaq and hated Kobe…so it’s been painted this way for years.
Lets stop the malarkey, Shaq was the best player on the best team and in the league. Kobe even knew it, he always said if Shaq worked as hard as he did he would’ve been sitting on 11 rings.
In 2000 he was the mvp and 2nd in dpoy. 2001 and 2002 he wasn't ever again on the dpoy top 10 voting . Kobe was in the top 5-12 in dpoy and top 5-12 in mvp each year of the 3peat..
@@freshprinceshaun kobe fans are sure happy as hell that didn’t happen because shaq would be the mvp of all those 11 championships and kobe would still be the sidekick/robin
@@killablackmambakbm7593you must be deaf gill literally googled that shaq finished 3rd in mvp those two years after he won it. Kobe got the dummiest fans
@@edgaro8and that's okay! Maybe Shaq wouldn't have won the whole 11 mvps bc by 05 Shaq was falling off but Shaq would've def had like 5 or 6 of them mfs and Kobe would've had the other 4 or 5 for sure! 🤷🏾♂️💯
Shaq averaged: 34-14-3 as a laker in the finals. Kobe averaged: 25-6-5 as a laker in the finals. Shaq was him man. Kobe was a killer too but Shaq was the man.
I didn’t even know Shaq being the Batman of the lakers was even a debate. It’s not saying that Kobe wasn’t going off too but shaq definitely was the main focus point
Pretty sure Kobe was the one bringing up the ball. He made the decisions not Shaq. When LeBron does the same thing you praise him for his PG abilities. Stop it
Why didn't the most dominant win a championship until Kobe started starting. Shaq wasn't a rookie. He had a great team in Orlando and lost. He had 2 all stars in LA and lost. Didn't win ish until Kobe.
How did they get to the finals lil bro? The finals was made for Shaq to eat up, they had no bigs. Since it’s clear you’re a casual, go watch what shaq said in the 01 playoffs about kobe.. look what kobe did in the western playoffs.
It’s so strange that Gil hates on media, but when it comes to regular season awards voted by the media, he values it tremendously. Everybody knows that Kobe should’ve won 3 MVPs over his career.
@@ayeooh4412 key words “at that time” not all time, do your research who was the top 5 centers in those last two championships for Kobe? Calling cap without stating facts is foolish
@theonlykingA no you're just another delusional bronsexual and me knowing that I also know there's no talking to y'all. Acting like LeBron wasn't the only super star to only average 8 points in the finals on super teams SMH 🤦🏿♂️😮💨
The problem with that logic is for those 3 years any player in nba history would be taking a back seat to shaq.. idc if its 88 mj, 06 kobe, or miami heat LeBron they all would be “robin” if they played with 2000-2002 shaq
The Lakers started 5-0 the 03-04 season. Gill is full of cap. They lost 3 of the 1st 20 games 😂😂😂. I can't wait for uncut hoops to get this one. The narrative back then was that Kobe and Shaq kept each other from winning MVP because they both were voted for and on the same team. Sounds like 2 lead Dawgs. I watched it all. Kobe's entire career. I remember this.
2000 Playoffs Shaq - 32/16/3/3 on 60% shooting Kobe - 21/4/4 on 44% shooting That ring alone proved Shaq could win as a clear level over Kobe. In 01/02 Kobe maybe had similar value to Shaq, but it doesn’t change that in their time together Shaq could win as the clear cut best player with Kobe at best equaling Shaq’s value (then failing when he tried to assert himself as the teams best player on 03 and 04). EDIT: The people bringing up Kobes clutch play are hilarious. They act like Shaq didn’t win Games 1 and 2 of the 2000 finals with Kobe averaging 7 PPG. Now Kobe saving Game 4 makes him equal in value 😂
@@mserikatodohYou must lack critical thinking skills. If they were equal for 2, with Shaq being better for the 3rd, logic tells you which player was better slash more valuable piece?
Kobe got hurt in first one and still showed his value shaq fouled out and Kobe had it … use all playoff numbers before finals to make a more valid argument
@@PharmBoi I love when people use the Game 4 argument as if Shaq didn’t win Games 1 and 2 with Kobe averaging 7 PPG 😂😂😂 if LA won the finals with Kobe averaging 15 PPG playing at 50%, being outscored by Austin Croshere doesn’t that definitively tell you Shaq was better? But even then, the 2000 playoffs up until Kobe got injured, he averaged 22.5 PPG… still waaaay less than Shaq
There should always be context. When you watch games as it unfolds you get an idea who had a good game or not. The answer is not always who had the ball the last two minutes or who took the last shot to win the game. It's how the players played the entire game and the impact and contribution they made to help their team win. More often than not Shaq and Kobe had their moment during the games they played (regular/playoffs) to help the Lakers win the games. Kobe was the closer but Shaq was their foundation. He was the biggest mismatch for every team. He created problems. Shaq delivered and then some both offensive and defensive end. Kobe did his thing also on both ends but when every team is built to stop you and still be the biggest factor to win the games that is next level.
I don't see how he's contradicting himself in this clip tbh. I feel people struggle to understand that it's possible to have a favorite player but still be objective about who they were. For example, growing up my favorite player was Allan Houston... do I think Allan Houston was the best player in the league... of course not. I can still be objective 😂
Gil makes a fair point if you emphasize being the unquestioned leader of a championship team as a main criterion for greatness. However this perspective might undervalue Kobe's broader impact, versatility and accomplishments. Kobe’s career encapsulates both the ability to excel alongside another superstar and to dominate as the main option later in his career.
And remember gil is the bigggest Jordan fan so kobe is not in the convo for him. Even though kobe had way better opposition than mj and perfected mj’s moves. Even added counters 😂💀
@@bowevanko450if you watch his appearance on the grantland hour Kobe talks about how no one cares about who is Batman or robin. That’s a media thing. Shaq couldn’t win without Kobe, and Kobe couldn’t have won without shaq. I think they’re both the man and everyone else was the sidekick
@@bowevanko450Shaq was the 1st option in the finals cause he had the mismatch....look at the wcf the 2nd &3rd year the won Kobe was the #1 even though they played inside out especially when they played the spurs Kobe was the reason they swept them
People don’t wanna admit it because people have a nostalgic attachment to Kobe Bryant. Nobody saying that Kobe Bryant was not great. He emphatically was great. However, he was the robin to Shaquille O’Neal’s Batman period point blank…
Kobe was asked to take a backseat to not hurt Shaq's feelings. The man was averaging 40ppg when shaq was hurt, the Lakers were winning and Phil told Kobe to take a back seat. That's not a Robin. Why couldn't shaq get it done when he was playing with two all stars before Kobe? Eddie Jones and nick van axel?
@@gifi11 2000 Playoffs Shaq - 32/16/3/3 on 60% shooting Kobe - 21/3/4 on 46% shooting Kobe being clutch a few games in a WCF makes his value equal? LMFAO What happened in Games 1 and 2 of the finals? Because LA won both, Kobe? He averaged 7 PPG in those first two games LMFAO
@hardwoodthought1213 Kobe got hurt. Jalen Rose said he purposely tried to hurt Kobe. You can use a stat when Kobe didn't even play that whole game if it makes you feel good lol. WCF game 7 Kobe had more points, rebounds, blocks, steals, and assist than Shaq. Shaq played awful, and we were down by like 16 points. Kobe at 21 had to lead the largest playoff comeback at the time. Without that historical game, Shaq would have never been able to bully the centers in the East and three peat. What did you forget or you weren't born?
Kobe was a top 5 NBA player. All NBA offense and defense. Led the team in assist and 4th quarter points. What a hell of a sidekick lol. With this logic Tim Duncan was a sidekick. Steph Curry was a sidekick, Larry Bird, Kareem......insane.
Shaq was the best player during their 3 peat dawg, but that don't diminish kobe's importance to the team. I don't know why y'all in your feelings about this. Everybody that was alive and witnessing their 3 peat knew shaq was the big dawg and kobe was emerging.
@rockjm9876543210 if you say Shaq is better, koo. Idc. My issue is how is someone emerging when they are already universally seen as a top 5 player. That is like saying Steph was carried for 2 rings because KD was better even tho Steph has 2 rings without KD lol.
It's sucks to say it because we love Kobe, but he's right. Kobe was most definitely the second option while playing with Shaq. If we rewind time, and not look at the player Kobe became, he most definitely wasn't more dominant than Shaq. Kobe may have closed games, but they got there because of Shaq. Once Shaq left Kobe became number one option
Shaq wasn’t the number option either mfa couldn’t win a ring without Kobe before the three peat he’s supposed to have five but lost to the lowest seeded team in Finals history in95 with Penny😂😂😂😂
Shaq wasn’t the number option either mfa couldn’t win a ring without Kobe before the three peat he’s supposed to have five but lost to the lowest seeded team in Finals history in95 with Penny😂😂😂😂
Shaq and kobe was 1a and 1b, kobe was just young and couldn't fully unleash himself because it would always be a problem when he did. But he was good enough. He averaged 33/7/7 in the WCF against the spurs who were the number 1 seed and number 1 defence. In an era where teams scored 80 points. Tell me if he was good enough to do that at 22 and damn near average the same numbers as shaq throughout the whole 01 playoffs where they swept every team how was he a sidekick? I've never seen a sidekick 2 option have the capability of doing that. Thinking kobe was a sidekick just because of finals mvps in an era where you had to play through the big man and kobe was much younger than shaq than you're too simple minded. That was all instructions that kobe followed. Everytime shaq was off the court kobe took over and exploded, if anything he had more space to go in the lane.
No Kobe was robin at that time. To say 1a and 1b is to say that he was just as good as Shaq at the time. But everyone watching knew that wasn't the case.
@Luvmysippi look at all the coverage during the 01 playoffs in the media, and even shaq himself. Oh and Phil jackson himself said kobes overall court game was the highest of any player hes ever coached during those playoffs. All facts.
Bruh regardless of how y’all spin it shaq was the guy, A still comes before B kobe was prolly the best 2nd option of all time but he was still a second option that’s why they the greasiest duo of all time
@painfulpizza1239 but when people say it they use it to discredit kobe saying he was carried or was some sidekick. They dont do that to kareem who only won 2 finals mvps out of his 6 championships lol. They dont discredit any of his rings that's why it's not an honest debate.
@@carlmathews5778 are you not listening to the topic ?? They’re making comparisons to who was the Batman and robin the 3 peat isn’t even apart of the conversation..
I can’t see the Kobe being Robin talk simply bc I don’t think I’ve ever seen a duo where they both could takeover games like that. It seem like if he wasn’t billed as the next Jordan the way he was viewed his younger years would be different.
Fun but crazy fact: in the 2000 finals, Shaq averaged more rebounds than Kobe averaged points. This is not disrespect. Shaq was THAT dominant. And like Gil said, Kobe was fucking 21 years old. Steph was a rookie at 21
You know Kobe got hurt in the 2000 finals, no? He didn't play all of game 2 and didn't play game 3. You don't think that's going to impact your finals stats lol? Kobe was the reason we even went to the finals that year. Did you forget game 7 WCF against the Blazers?
No he doesn't. The first 3 are Shaq's rings. 3 straight NBA Finals MVPs attest to that. Since Kobe was on the team he gets a ring just like Rick Fox, Derek Fisher, and everyone else. But those are Shaq's rings historically. Scottie Pippen is a 6 time champion so why isn't he in the goat conversation? James Worthy won 3 rings with the Lakers but no one mentions him in goat conversations. Because sidekick rings don't count. Kobe was the man on his last 2 rings. Shaq was the man on his first 3. Facts
Yes in the year 2000 a 21 year old kobe bryant was the 2nd option to a 28 year old shaq lmao everyone that year would have been the 2nd option to shaq but lets not act like kobe wasnt hurt in the finals and just a scrub. Shaq wouldnt have won without kobe tho just like mj didnt start winning rings till pippen
RIP Kobe 🙏 No Kobe slander , but because you love a player, don't change narrative.... The other NBA players back then couldn't wait for Shaq to leave. After Shaq left, teams were letting Kobe score, but he wasn't winning. Kobe said, " ama bust his a..." about Ray Allen ( playing with Seattle then) because Ray made a comment about Shaq being gone.... yall can Google the first game for Lakers vs. Seattle after Shaq left. The NBA players, even Phil Jackson, left him and wrote a book about his pov of Kobe.... Now I will not sh.t on Kobe's greatness. After Being Humbled, Phil coming back then Memphis giving Lakers a gift with Pau Gasol and Bynum, Kobe's game matured beautifully, and the NBA hated on Kobe getting more chips by vetoeing the Chris Paul trade when Kobe still had his powers
Honestly it’s all relative to how you view it. In my opinion, the Lakers were a trash team that had Two ultra superstars. You can’t plug and play VC, AI, Tracy into the Lakers and get the same results. It only worked because Kobe and Shaq were two of the best 3 players in the league.
@justinjones9579 the others would've gotten at least 1 definitely AI and TMac.. VC wasn't much in the playoffs as the face of the franchise. But yeah, Kobe was more dedicated to being The Greatest more than the others, and he stayed healthy
Wtf does this have to do with Shaq dominating the Finals? Kobe fans don't want no slander on his name but will slander other greats name like the fans of the other greats not going to say nothing 😂
@ respectfully Shaq dominated because he had the easier matchup in the finals. If WCMVP was a thing Kobe would’ve gotten it all three years and maybe a 4th in 2004
I can tell you didnt even watch the Kobe and Shaq era. They were Superman and Batman. They were never called the Shaq Lakers, they were the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. You and Gill sound silly.
@@ntwpodcast4100you're right Shaq and kobe Lakers, not kobe and Shaq Lakers. Shaq was the best player in the NBA back then not kobe. Superman/Batman or Batman/Robin doesn't matter SHAQ was the top dog kobe was under him. Get out y'all feelings.
@@itsruffoutchea6636 Stop trying to talk like Gill. "Get out of your feelings" They were called Shaq and Kobe or Kobe and Shaq Lakers. Shaq in 2001 called Kobe the best player in the league. That's facts. You didnt even watch basketball back then. You just told on yourself with that senseless comment. For teir first championship Shaq was the best. The second and third....Batman and superman. Batman is over Robin but Superman and Batman are equals. Batman and Superman are both alphas so it does matter.
@@michaelpaullang4401 the only not very smart person is the idiot trying to say shaq would be the focal point of an offense when the greatest offensive player ever is right there
@@michaelpaullang4401 u must not be very smart to even question who they would play through Jordan was 3rd in scoring his rookie year, finished 6th in MVP voting, and was all NBA 2nd team as a rookie.
How ever you wanna label it. Shaq was the top dog in those 3 championship years. Why do people wanna get offended when they hear that? Be it him being Robin To Batman, or Batman to Superman. The fact is that the best player was Shaq. Kobe had his moments where he helped the team win games, but Shaq took them there and was the main reason they won.
Idk bout y’all but 6-0 in the finals and never went to a game 7, then he leave come back and win 3 more I don’t think that will happen ever again!!! 🤝📌
@@fadercreek played a dynasty in the spurs several times & another dynasty in the warriors (1 series without klove & Kyrie while avg a triple double) & another against a KD lead 79-3 golden state team who he beat the year before.. pretty self explanatory
@@seanzadsalamat5167right he sound so dumb 😂😂😂 he’s acting like anyone he named was top 150😂😂😂😂 all time can’t say that about lebron Jordan shaq wade Duncan noneeee of them and im the biggest lebron fan…
Gasol has the record for being swept. He did absolutely nothing before Kobe. What did Bynum do after? Bynum wasn't even an all star during the 2peat. Odom is my guy. I have nothing bad to say about LO. Artest has 1 all star in his career. That finals everybody said Kobe played bad in, he still averaged 29 lol. Imagine being so good your bad is 29 lol
If you didn’t watch during that time period then please just don’t say anything. If you watched, you’d know Shaq was being double and triple teamed. Kobe was able to put up numbers because teams were throwing the kitchen sink at Shaq. Shaq was so dominant at the time, if he caught the ball, it was already over.
Gil lowkey always be tryna throw shade on Kobe for some odd reason… even after Kobe complemented his game and respected him, but the guy that teased and embarrassed him in a critical playoff game (LeBron) he constantly on his knees for 🤦♂️😴
Kobe was a Batman in his own right! He wasn’t no side kick! Let’s be real if basketball awarded finals mvp in their division kinda like baseball does, Kobe would have for damm sure won WCF MVP in 01
@@VinceStephen cap, Kobe lead the team in jersey sales even over Shaq.. he was always the fan favorite! From 2000-2011 all everyone talked about in the hood was Kobe! As youngers everyone yelled out Kobe while shooting paper trash. Everyone always said Kobe was the best
Imagine being universally known as a top 5 player. All NBA offense and defense. Leading the team in assist and 4th quarter points and be told you just had moments lol. This is a differenly level of hate. Scary.
I stopped arguing with kobe fans a longgg time ago 😂 i love kobe but he was definitely the #2 option to shaq at that time and it’s nothing wrong with that
Lol if you believe that, it's only due to Shaq. Lebron way better than Kobe ALL AROUND and Kyrie just as good or just right there and way better footwork and ball handling. Cars 2016 run was greater than anything Kobe and Shaq ever did with each other or by themselves. But I respect your opinion
Do any of you look at Kris Middleton as giannis sidekick or equal?? He hit big shots he played when giannis was hurt against the hawks but none of you would say he was his equal. He did his job but Shaq was the MAN
Diminish Kobe how? He was behind one of the most dominant basketball players of all time. Y'all so emotional to the point where you hear something negative about your favorite player your go to is to try and discredit an NBA player 😂Calling Kobe robin I would say is a stretch though
They were the perfect 1... 2 combo. Game 4 ... year 2000. Shaq fouls out. Kobe scored 8 points in OT for the W. Game 7 WCF Kobe throws a lob that pretty much won the game also. He was forrsure a lead dawg. They both were when they needed to be 💯
The thing with Gil is he makes sense to the people who didn’t watch the lakers at that time. So it’s easier to go to the numbers and say Kobe was robin. But it was more of a magic Kareem situation, Kobe played the same important role that Shaq did.
Kobe was the KEY 🔑 to unlock Shaq’s full potential. He was the primary ball handler, led the team in assists. And Kobe’s ability to break down a defense created more room for Shaq. Gil a known Kobe hater, don’t listen to that “ima fan but Kobe sucks because..” 😒 the ninja wouldn’t be saying none of this if Kobe was still here..
What makes Jordan the GOAT in my Opinion is from the stories my dad told me and that the fact his 6 rings came off 3 peats no one else has done that Kobe was close but didn’t make finals in 2011 but he won 09 /10 he had a chance to do exactly what Jordan did which was Kobe idol and who he idolized his game from
Let me help yall out
2000 Finals
Shaq - 38pts 17rebs 3blks
Kobe - 16pts 4rebs 4ast
2001 Finals
Shaq - 33pts 16rebs 3blks 5ast
Kobe - 25pts 8rebs 6ast
2002 Finals
Shaq - 36pts 12rebs 3blks 4ast
Kobe - 27pts 6rebs 5ast
this needs to be pinned
That's a lot of assists for Kobe
Kobe got hurt Jalen rosed first finals and won two games in that finals it’s all there you can look it up just like you look this shit !
Funny how you showing Shaq’s bloccs but not Kobe’s steals ! Do you know who Kobe is guarding in comparison to who Shaq is guarding ? Do yall even know any centers from 2000-2010? Like fr answer this shit and not goggle dumb shit
@@YoItsTEE now post the playoff stats en route to the finals. The East conference has always bn bullshit. Post those numbers vs spurs kings n blazers. I'll wait. Cuz that's where the real competition was at. In the west. The finals was always a foregone conclusion.
I think any player from any era would be 2nd option to Shaq in 2000, he was the best player in the world that year.
Thank you !!! That’s the whole point of the argument so if mj played next Shaq he still losing the finals mvp but they don’t talk about that
They wouldnt win 3 in a row though thats fasho we not gonna ignore kobes clutchness and defense
Facts
💯Wtf is mf's talking about? Shaq was the best player in the NBA when Jordan retired. Shaq Won all Finals MVP'S on the 3 peat😂😂😂😂
Kobe was Michael Jackson and Shaq was Tito Jackson for the Lakers respectfully.
So emotional. Everybody knew Shaq was the most dominant force, he was Batman and there's no dispute.
on your kids life kobe was Batman
1A and 1B. So yeah Superman and Batman MAYBE
He was superman by his own admittance. Kobe was batman. Average build and out worked everyone.
Fun fact Kobe in that second title run was better than LeBron and kd in their 2nd title runs.
Shaq was superman Kobe was batman
@@xdxbxx that’s crazy 😂 but calling Kobe robin is 🤢 🤮
1 Shaq was definitely numero uno in a 3 chips
2 On the Dirk ring argument. A great team can over power a couple of stars. Like Pistons beating LA. It's rare but if constructed right, it's possible.
That’s what I wish they would’ve brought up, all the pistons teams that won, olajuwon & dirk
2004 Pistons had 4 All Star caliber players see the 2006 All Star game the “Pistons lineup” wins it for the East they were the better team then 04 Lakers in 2011 Heat were the far better team
The Stats below clearly show and prove that Kobe and Shaq shared leadership responsibilities and took turns destroying their opponents just like Magic and Kareem.
#2000 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 21ppg 4reb 4ast
* Kobe led in scoring 6x
* Shaq led in scoring 16x
O’Neal led the team in scoring 16 games during the playoffs with games scoring 46, 43, 41, 41, 40 plus eight other 30 point games. Bryant proved his offensive and defensive (All Defense) skill leading the team in scoring six times with highs being 35, 33, 32 and 32 again at the age of 21. 😂
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#2001 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 29ppg 7reb 6ast
* Kobe led in scoring 8x
* Shaq led in scoring 8x
Through this playoff run Shaq led the team in scoring in eight games scoring 30 points or better seven times and 40 points three times. Kobe on the other hand was (All Defense) and led the team in scoring in eight games, scoring 30 points or more in seven games and two games over 40 including the team playoff high of 48 points at the age of 22. 😂
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#2002 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 28ppg 12reb 2ast
Kobe 26ppg 5reb 4ast
* Kobe led in scoring 10x
* Shaq led in scoring 9x
O’Neal was the team scoring leader in nine playoff games, eight times scoring 30 or more points.
Kobe was (All Defense) and led the team in ten playoff games, six times scoring 30 or more points at the age of 23. 😂
Oakland A’s = MoneyBall
Shaq wasnt the number 1 tho. You didn't watch the game, you're educated by ESPN
What ya'll all failing to realize is this Kobe and Shaq situation is completely different than any other duo because Shaq or Kobe couldn't be stopped. They came to be 2 of the best players in NBA history. It's like having 2 Michael Jordan's on the same team. They were both Batman, because if one came up slightly short the other could carry the load daily.
Kobe was Batman , Shaq was Superman.
They both dominated TOGETHER.
agreed
This is a great take!
Kobe was aquaman, Shaq was Superman ** fixed it
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Who was more powerful, Superman or Batman? Exactly.
Many people don't know Kobe played better in the earlier playoff rounds. Kobe was more reliable in the 4th and closed out games. calling him Robin is selling kobe short. The Duo was More like Batman (Kobe) Assisting Superman (Shaq) on a mission.
The analogy is both wrong and cringey. It extrapolates a few minutes of better value and acts like it’s equal to 46 minutes of better.value. The same people who claim the 2000 finals (for example) put Kobe on level ground with Shaq because of his clutch play in Game 4 will ignore that Shaq won games 1 and 2 with Kobe averaged 7 PPG 😂
@@hardwoodthought1213Kobe got hurt by Jalen intentionally. 2000 ring was all Shaq but 01 and 02 were up in the air
@@hardwoodthought1213 46 mins of great play is worth nothing when u lose at the end. When you're a liability at the free throw , Can't guard the pick N Roll to save your life, and Probably got 5 fouls going on 6.
@@hardwoodthought1213 besides the 2000 playoff run. Kobe Was On par with Shaq in the 01 and 02 playoffs. Honestly, U can argue In 2001 Kobe had Better playoff run than Shaq from an Overall standpoint.
@@woketv781Except we know for a fact that if you play great for 46 minutes you can either simply win the game already or even if it needs clutch play that can be provided by others, Kobes ability to perform in the clutch doesn’t happen if you don’t keep it close for 46 minutes of a game
He’s right Kobe was second option. Shaq was first option. Everybody feared shaq he was a force.
#2000 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 21ppg 4reb 4ast
* Kobe led scoring 6x
* Shaq led scoring 16x
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#2001 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 29ppg 7reb 6ast
* Kobe led scoring 8x
* Shaq led in scoring 8x
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#2002 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 28ppg 12reb 2ast
Kobe 26ppg 5reb 4ast
* Kobe led scoring 10x
* Shaq led scoring 9x
People really be forgetting 00 and that few years, it was Shaq's League.
Teams were overpaying bigbodies just to stay infront of Shaq
@noyce. What happened in 2000 WCF?
The Stats below clearly show and prove that Kobe and Shaq shared leadership responsibilities and took turns destroying their opponents just like Magic and Kareem.
#2000 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 21ppg 4reb 4ast
* Kobe led in scoring 6x
* Shaq led in scoring 16x
O’Neal led the team in scoring 16 games during the playoffs with games scoring 46, 43, 41, 41, 40 plus eight other 30 point games. Bryant proved his offensive and defensive (All Defense) skill leading the team in scoring six times with highs being 35, 33, 32 and 32 again at the age of 21. 😂
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#2001 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 29ppg 7reb 6ast
* Kobe led in scoring 8x
* Shaq led in scoring 8x
Through this playoff run Shaq led the team in scoring in eight games scoring 30 points or better seven times and 40 points three times. Kobe on the other hand was (All Defense) and led the team in scoring in eight games, scoring 30 points or more in seven games and two games over 40 including the team playoff high of 48 points at the age of 22. 😂
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#2002 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 28ppg 12reb 2ast
Kobe 26ppg 5reb 4ast
* Kobe led in scoring 10x
* Shaq led in scoring 9x
O’Neal was the team scoring leader in nine playoff games, eight times scoring 30 or more points.
Kobe was (All Defense) and led the team in ten playoff games, six times scoring 30 or more points at the age of 23. 😂
@@jaydubb2005this needs to be pinned
Bro Shaq was unstoppable those years
Kobe was Robin to shaq and everyone knew it than and now.
Exactly lol and thats not a slight to kobe at all
Stay off the weed bruh, Kobe is in the Goat Convo, Shaq ain't
@@chrisade3916bro a dumbass yes you
@@chrisade3916dumbass
@@chrisade3916he could be
People getting this so confused, at the end of the day somebody got to be top dog.
One speaking facts, two in their feelings.
Gilbert is speaking opinion also. He’s not arguing facts.
Gil was literally lying. Saying when Kobe took over, they were 3-4 when Shaq was out, when they only lost 3 of their first 30 games in total. Hang up the Kobe slander. He's GOATed
@@WhatsBigginhe’s talkin bout the 02-03 szn not 03-04 🤦🏽♂️
@@lancejacobsen8372he speaking facts. Go back n watch the games . Shaq was the best in the league, double teams tripple teams shaq carried that team for years.
@@oscarmoore4907 he’s absolutely isn’t…Kobe accounted for more points with points and assists and was superior defender and finisher of the game.. the media loved Shaq and hated Kobe…so it’s been painted this way for years.
Lets stop the malarkey, Shaq was the best player on the best team and in the league. Kobe even knew it, he always said if Shaq worked as hard as he did he would’ve been sitting on 11 rings.
In 2000 he was the mvp and 2nd in dpoy. 2001 and 2002 he wasn't ever again on the dpoy top 10 voting . Kobe was in the top 5-12 in dpoy and top 5-12 in mvp each year of the 3peat..
@killablackmambakbm759 💯
@@freshprinceshaun kobe fans are sure happy as hell that didn’t happen because shaq would be the mvp of all those 11 championships and kobe would still be the sidekick/robin
@@killablackmambakbm7593you must be deaf gill literally googled that shaq finished 3rd in mvp those two years after he won it. Kobe got the dummiest fans
@@edgaro8and that's okay! Maybe Shaq wouldn't have won the whole 11 mvps bc by 05 Shaq was falling off but Shaq would've def had like 5 or 6 of them mfs and Kobe would've had the other 4 or 5 for sure! 🤷🏾♂️💯
Shaq averaged: 34-14-3 as a laker in the finals.
Kobe averaged: 25-6-5 as a laker in the finals.
Shaq was him man. Kobe was a killer too but Shaq was the man.
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#2000 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 21ppg 4reb 4ast
* Kobe led scoring 6x
* Shaq led scoring 16x
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#2001 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 29ppg 7reb 6ast
* Kobe led scoring 8x
* Shaq led in scoring 8x
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#2002 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 28ppg 12reb 2ast
Kobe 26ppg 5reb 4ast
* Kobe led scoring 10x
* Shaq led scoring 9x
Shaq was super dominant
Check the first 3 rounds before the Finals. Kobe carried them through the playoffs and let Shaq eat weak East Centers alive.
Kobe accounted for more points js
I didn’t even know Shaq being the Batman of the lakers was even a debate. It’s not saying that Kobe wasn’t going off too but shaq definitely was the main focus point
When the Lakers won those championships, the Lakers ran the offense through Shaq
Pretty sure Kobe was the one bringing up the ball. He made the decisions not Shaq.
When LeBron does the same thing you praise him for his PG abilities. Stop it
Shaq is literally the most offensively dominant nba player in history
nah.
It’s mainly these young Kobe fans🤣to me Eddie Jones was better than Kobe at first🤣no one was better than Shaq.
@@seansimms6693Kareem and Hakeem the dream were for sure
Do your homework on Wilt Chamberlain.
Wilt Jokic Kareem just off the top of my head at Center
Shaq was most definitely dominant and the lead dog in those first 3 championships. Nick and Brandon just be loud and wrong!
TRUE BUT KOBE WAS ALWAYS BATMAN....WESTERN CONV FINALS. HE AVERAGED 30 IN 2001 -2002
@@dariusewing6962actually Shaq averaged 30 against the kings Kobe averaged 27 and the clutch shot was made by Horry after Kobe missed
Why didn't the most dominant win a championship until Kobe started starting. Shaq wasn't a rookie. He had a great team in Orlando and lost. He had 2 all stars in LA and lost. Didn't win ish until Kobe.
@@gifi11MJ and Hakeem
During their 3-peat
Shaq: 35.9 PPG - 15.2 RPG - 3.5 APG - 0.7 SPG - 2.9 BPG - 59.1% TS - 3 Finals MVPs
Kobe: 22.0 PPG - 6.1 RPG - 5.1 APG - 1.3 SPG - 1.2 BPG - 50.8% TS - 0 Finals MVPs
mf lyin like we dont have access to the internet lmaooo
Kobe's stats during the 3 peat:
1990-2000 season
Regular Season:
Games Played: 66
Points: 22.5 PPG
Rebounds: 6.3 RPG
Assists: 4.9 APG
Steals: 1.6 SPG
Blocks: 1.0 BPG
Field Goal %: 46.8%
Playoffs:
Points: 21.1 PPG
Rebounds: 4.5 RPG
Assists: 4.4 APG
Steals: 1.5 SPG
Blocks: 1.5 BPG
Field Goal %: 44.2%
2000-2001 Season
Regular Season:
Games Played: 68
Points: 28.5 PPG
Rebounds: 5.9 RPG
Assists: 5.0 APG
Steals: 1.7 SPG
Blocks: 0.6 BPG
Field Goal %: 46.4%
Playoffs:
Points: 29.4 PPG
Rebounds: 7.3 RPG
Assists: 6.1 APG
Steals: 1.6 SPG
Blocks: 0.8 BPG
Field Goal %: 46.9%
2001-2002 Season
Regular Season:
Games Played: 80
Points: 25.2 PPG
Rebounds: 5.5 RPG
Assists: 5.5 APG
Steals: 1.5 SPG
Blocks: 0.4 BPG
Field Goal %: 46.9%
Playoffs:
Points: 26.6 PPG
Rebounds: 5.8 RPG
Assists: 4.6 APG
Steals: 1.4 SPG
Blocks: 0.8 BPG
No all games it’s Shaq 29 - Kobe 26
How did they get to the finals lil bro? The finals was made for Shaq to eat up, they had no bigs. Since it’s clear you’re a casual, go watch what shaq said in the 01 playoffs about kobe.. look what kobe did in the western playoffs.
What about all those western conference series to get to the finals. That’s where the real bump was at!
@@bluv5185exactly , like why exclude that? Kobe was hooping in the conference finals and earlier rounds. He was the closer.
It’s so strange that Gil hates on media, but when it comes to regular season awards voted by the media, he values it tremendously. Everybody knows that Kobe should’ve won 3 MVPs over his career.
The DISRESPECT these clowns be giving Kobe is crazy
The last two rings wasn’t all Kobe in all due respect, Gasol was a top 5 center in the league at that time plus they had some good players around Kobe
They all conveniently forget Kobe was demanding a trade out cuz he couldn't get past the 8th seed prior to Gasol's arrival
@@argosbrave6415they were actually top 5 in the conference during the season before they made the gasol trade
🧢 Gasol was never Top 5 center.
Top 5 center is diabolical 😂😂
@@ayeooh4412 key words “at that time” not all time, do your research who was the top 5 centers in those last two championships for Kobe? Calling cap without stating facts is foolish
Stop being sensitive about kobe! gil is right shaq was the lead dog thats why kobe wanted the team to himself without shaq
You can say that but carried??? And they act like he didn’t need Kobe? Side kick is crazy talk
@@michaelpaullang44012000 finals Shaq averaged 38/18 to Kobes 15/3/3. That’s not a carry?
Did u leave the part where he was playing with a bum ankle or no ?
@@silosjr24 That changes what? It just proves with Kobe had 50% Shaq could still win
@hardwoodthought1213 they would have not won that series if actually watched the games u would know that
With gils logic LeBron had the whole avengers and the Justice League😅
Name the team and the stats?
@desmonddavis3422 even without gil vs logic everybody knows not only did lefraud invent super teams but had them his whole career stop it.
@@powerisknowledgeTVso basically you’re just talking because you didn’t mention any facts to go along with what you said
@powerisknowledgeTV i see you didn't answer the question so thats all I needed to know
@theonlykingA no you're just another delusional bronsexual and me knowing that I also know there's no talking to y'all. Acting like LeBron wasn't the only super star to only average 8 points in the finals on super teams SMH 🤦🏿♂️😮💨
It’s crazy saying Shaq is the number 1 big dog but can only average 2 more pts than Kobe as the most dominant big man ever… 🤣😂
Basically, like what?!!! Lol
The problem with that logic is for those 3 years any player in nba history would be taking a back seat to shaq.. idc if its 88 mj, 06 kobe, or miami heat LeBron they all would be “robin” if they played with 2000-2002 shaq
Great point but one haters won’t listen. But we all know when it matters who had the ball. Thats not a robin
88 mj would take a back seat to no-one, but Shaq in 2000 was all-time unstoppable. Hard call
@ if they on the same team and win a chip 2000 shaq wins finals mvp over anybody
And thats why shaq in the goat debate IMO but that's another discussion
Cappp 💯💯💯
The Lakers started 5-0 the 03-04 season. Gill is full of cap. They lost 3 of the 1st 20 games 😂😂😂. I can't wait for uncut hoops to get this one.
The narrative back then was that Kobe and Shaq kept each other from winning MVP because they both were voted for and on the same team. Sounds like 2 lead Dawgs. I watched it all. Kobe's entire career. I remember this.
Excellent point. You were around for it for sure. That narrative that was being pushed couldn’t have been pushed if they weren’t seen as equals.
Thank you!
Gil referred to the 02-03 season , following the championship 3peat
@@IsHeARealOneVadaRealMCShaq was the man on the team. He won all three finals MVPs
Exactly while Kobe was going through outside bs
2000 Playoffs
Shaq - 32/16/3/3 on 60% shooting
Kobe - 21/4/4 on 44% shooting
That ring alone proved Shaq could win as a clear level over Kobe. In 01/02 Kobe maybe had similar value to Shaq, but it doesn’t change that in their time together Shaq could win as the clear cut best player with Kobe at best equaling Shaq’s value (then failing when he tried to assert himself as the teams best player on 03 and 04).
EDIT: The people bringing up Kobes clutch play are hilarious. They act like Shaq didn’t win Games 1 and 2 of the 2000 finals with Kobe averaging 7 PPG. Now Kobe saving Game 4 makes him equal in value 😂
01/02 had a similar value to Shaq? yet Kobe is robin? makes no sense. after 2002, kobe was better than shaq.
3 finals mvps
@@mserikatodohYou must lack critical thinking skills. If they were equal for 2, with Shaq being better for the 3rd, logic tells you which player was better slash more valuable piece?
Kobe got hurt in first one and still showed his value shaq fouled out and Kobe had it … use all playoff numbers before finals to make a more valid argument
@@PharmBoi I love when people use the Game 4 argument as if Shaq didn’t win Games 1 and 2 with Kobe averaging 7 PPG 😂😂😂 if LA won the finals with Kobe averaging 15 PPG playing at 50%, being outscored by Austin Croshere doesn’t that definitively tell you Shaq was better?
But even then, the 2000 playoffs up until Kobe got injured, he averaged 22.5 PPG… still waaaay less than Shaq
There should always be context. When you watch games as it unfolds you get an idea who had a good game or not. The answer is not always who had the ball the last two minutes or who took the last shot to win the game. It's how the players played the entire game and the impact and contribution they made to help their team win. More often than not Shaq and Kobe had their moment during the games they played (regular/playoffs) to help the Lakers win the games. Kobe was the closer but Shaq was their foundation. He was the biggest mismatch for every team. He created problems. Shaq delivered and then some both offensive and defensive end. Kobe did his thing also on both ends but when every team is built to stop you and still be the biggest factor to win the games that is next level.
Kobe was Batman.
Shaq was Superman.
They both where leaders.
Superman led the justice league that batman was 2nd fiddle in.
@SirEmoSapien no actually Batman ran it. He just made it seem like Superman was in charge.
@@Dreyko55 no, canonically Superman ran it and Batman was the strategist.
@@SirEmoSapien ask your mom, how was the creampie I gave her. while you was cleaning the garage bub
I've been following you for ages, love it!
Wurk?
Gil is the biggest contradicting person ever to talk sports 😂😂😂
How is he contradicting? Shaq was that dude on the team
He bring up and stats and facts to win his arguments unlike some
Of the other guys
Nick and Brandon didn’t even have a central point to their arguments
I don't see how he's contradicting himself in this clip tbh. I feel people struggle to understand that it's possible to have a favorite player but still be objective about who they were. For example, growing up my favorite player was Allan Houston... do I think Allan Houston was the best player in the league... of course not. I can still be objective 😂
He always want to b right
During there 3peat run in the playoffs
Kobe25/5.7reb/4.9ast 1.5stls and 1blk 45fg 35% 79
Shaq 30/15reb/3ast 2.4 blks
How does a sidekick averaged 25ppg during a 3 peat?
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mit normally takes 90+ points to win a game. Stop asking dumbass questions
Because the top dog average 30
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m Kyrie averaged 30 in 2016 and was a side kick
@@BmoreAce24The top dog was averaging 30 because of Kobe
Gil makes a fair point if you emphasize being the unquestioned leader of a championship team as a main criterion for greatness. However this perspective might undervalue Kobe's broader impact, versatility and accomplishments. Kobe’s career encapsulates both the ability to excel alongside another superstar and to dominate as the main option later in his career.
If the last 2 rings was all Kobe then he should’ve won more than 2 more mf
Right Kobe showed out but people swear that Lakers team was trash get the hell out of here
Huh lol?
@ you don’t understand English lol ?
Dont let gil lie to you, he’s def not a kobe fan 💀🤣 kobe would shit on him as a bench player at one point
And remember gil is the bigggest Jordan fan so kobe is not in the convo for him. Even though kobe had way better opposition than mj and perfected mj’s moves. Even added counters 😂💀
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@@LuisAdrian777 Now, you're makin' up sh*t.
@@LuisAdrian777ur smoking something
Gil scored 60 on Kobe. You don’t know any better, child.
Uncut Hoops is going to have a field day w/ this one. 😂😂😂
Uncut Hoops gone kill Gil narrative
Gil would not be talking this krazy about Kobe if he was alive keep it real
kobe would probably agree shaq was first option if he were alive
@@bowevanko450if you watch his appearance on the grantland hour Kobe talks about how no one cares about who is Batman or robin. That’s a media thing. Shaq couldn’t win without Kobe, and Kobe couldn’t have won without shaq. I think they’re both the man and everyone else was the sidekick
@@bowevanko450Shaq was the 1st option in the finals cause he had the mismatch....look at the wcf the 2nd &3rd year the won Kobe was the #1 even though they played inside out especially when they played the spurs Kobe was the reason they swept them
Shaq and Kobe duo wasn't a Batman and Robin, it was Superman and Batman. Kobe was never a Robin.
People don’t wanna admit it because people have a nostalgic attachment to Kobe Bryant. Nobody saying that Kobe Bryant was not great. He emphatically was great. However, he was the robin to Shaquille O’Neal’s Batman period point blank…
Kobe was asked to take a backseat to not hurt Shaq's feelings. The man was averaging 40ppg when shaq was hurt, the Lakers were winning and Phil told Kobe to take a back seat.
That's not a Robin. Why couldn't shaq get it done when he was playing with two all stars before Kobe? Eddie Jones and nick van axel?
@@MikeBNumba6😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Boy you Kobetards are PATHETIC kobe WAS a sidekick you people just can't handle the truth and it's RIDICULOUS
@@MikeBNumba6Exactly they don’t wanna admit it
Shaq was the guy! Kobe was the sidekick until Shaq left.
#2000 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 21ppg 4reb 4ast
* Kobe led scoring 6x
* Shaq led scoring 16x
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#2001 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 29ppg 7reb 6ast
* Kobe led scoring 8x
* Shaq led in scoring 8x
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#2002 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 28ppg 12reb 2ast
Kobe 26ppg 5reb 4ast
* Kobe led scoring 10x
* Shaq led scoring 9x
Kobe wasn’t a sidekick 😂😂😂
Why aren't you more famous?!
Because he doesn't have (or want) bots like you to boost his ratings or popularity.. 😐 Go polish a knob and hush.
The first one yea but after that they were 1A, 1B
In which case Shaq was the better slash more valuable player for the 3 past, correct?
Does A come before B? Y'all can turn this into algebra, but still doesn't change SHAQ was better.
Not even the first one. What happened in the 2000 WCF?
@@gifi11 2000 Playoffs
Shaq - 32/16/3/3 on 60% shooting
Kobe - 21/3/4 on 46% shooting
Kobe being clutch a few games in a WCF makes his value equal? LMFAO
What happened in Games 1 and 2 of the finals? Because LA won both, Kobe? He averaged 7 PPG in those first two games LMFAO
@hardwoodthought1213 Kobe got hurt. Jalen Rose said he purposely tried to hurt Kobe. You can use a stat when Kobe didn't even play that whole game if it makes you feel good lol. WCF game 7 Kobe had more points, rebounds, blocks, steals, and assist than Shaq. Shaq played awful, and we were down by like 16 points. Kobe at 21 had to lead the largest playoff comeback at the time. Without that historical game, Shaq would have never been able to bully the centers in the East and three peat. What did you forget or you weren't born?
Kobe was a top 5 NBA player. All NBA offense and defense. Led the team in assist and 4th quarter points. What a hell of a sidekick lol. With this logic Tim Duncan was a sidekick. Steph Curry was a sidekick, Larry Bird, Kareem......insane.
Shaq was the best player during their 3 peat dawg, but that don't diminish kobe's importance to the team. I don't know why y'all in your feelings about this. Everybody that was alive and witnessing their 3 peat knew shaq was the big dawg and kobe was emerging.
@rockjm9876543210 if you say Shaq is better, koo. Idc. My issue is how is someone emerging when they are already universally seen as a top 5 player. That is like saying Steph was carried for 2 rings because KD was better even tho Steph has 2 rings without KD lol.
It's sucks to say it because we love Kobe, but he's right. Kobe was most definitely the second option while playing with Shaq. If we rewind time, and not look at the player Kobe became, he most definitely wasn't more dominant than Shaq. Kobe may have closed games, but they got there because of Shaq. Once Shaq left Kobe became number one option
So then LeBron was the sidekick with AD the year they won.. AD led in pts rebs, blocks.
And Magic was a sidekick to Kareem as well.. but yet both somehow are in most ppls top 5..
Shaq wasn’t the number option either mfa couldn’t win a ring without Kobe before the three peat he’s supposed to have five but lost to the lowest seeded team in Finals history in95 with Penny😂😂😂😂
Shaq wasn’t the number option either mfa couldn’t win a ring without Kobe before the three peat he’s supposed to have five but lost to the lowest seeded team in Finals history in95 with Penny😂😂😂😂
Shaq and kobe was 1a and 1b, kobe was just young and couldn't fully unleash himself because it would always be a problem when he did. But he was good enough. He averaged 33/7/7 in the WCF against the spurs who were the number 1 seed and number 1 defence. In an era where teams scored 80 points. Tell me if he was good enough to do that at 22 and damn near average the same numbers as shaq throughout the whole 01 playoffs where they swept every team how was he a sidekick? I've never seen a sidekick 2 option have the capability of doing that. Thinking kobe was a sidekick just because of finals mvps in an era where you had to play through the big man and kobe was much younger than shaq than you're too simple minded. That was all instructions that kobe followed. Everytime shaq was off the court kobe took over and exploded, if anything he had more space to go in the lane.
all facts
No Kobe was robin at that time. To say 1a and 1b is to say that he was just as good as Shaq at the time. But everyone watching knew that wasn't the case.
@Luvmysippi look at all the coverage during the 01 playoffs in the media, and even shaq himself. Oh and Phil jackson himself said kobes overall court game was the highest of any player hes ever coached during those playoffs. All facts.
Bruh regardless of how y’all spin it shaq was the guy, A still comes before B kobe was prolly the best 2nd option of all time but he was still a second option that’s why they the greasiest duo of all time
@painfulpizza1239 but when people say it they use it to discredit kobe saying he was carried or was some sidekick. They dont do that to kareem who only won 2 finals mvps out of his 6 championships lol. They dont discredit any of his rings that's why it's not an honest debate.
4:28 Brandon is focusing on the level of skill not how the player complementing each other playing style.
#2000 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 21ppg 4reb 4ast
* Kobe led scoring 6x
* Shaq led scoring 16x
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#2001 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 29ppg 7reb 6ast
* Kobe led scoring 8x
* Shaq led in scoring 8x
______
#2002 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq 28ppg 12reb 2ast
Kobe 26ppg 5reb 4ast
* Kobe led scoring 10x
* Shaq led scoring 9x
And dirk 2 3 n 4th had better career then Brandon ass career
Kobe won without shaq 🥶 and shaq had to go be robin to get one with D-Wade im just saying 🤷🏾♂️
That's true, but Shaq 3 FINALS MVP
What does that have to do with the threepeat
@@carlmathews5778 are you not listening to the topic ?? They’re making comparisons to who was the Batman and robin the 3 peat isn’t even apart of the conversation..
@@MarquiseEdwards-k9f so tell me you not even watching the video. Go rewatch the video
Wasn’t shaq in the MVP race when he won with wade. Wade had a epic finals but shaq balled still
I can’t see the Kobe being Robin talk simply bc I don’t think I’ve ever seen a duo where they both could takeover games like that. It seem like if he wasn’t billed as the next Jordan the way he was viewed his younger years would be different.
Nick “swaggy p” young ain’t never letting no Kobe disrespect slide 😂😂😂
That Tatum comment had Gil stuck 😂
I love kobe we all do and he was great in those 3 peat finals but Gill is right shaq was the #1 all feelings aside
Gil killed them this debate!
Fun but crazy fact: in the 2000 finals, Shaq averaged more rebounds than Kobe averaged points. This is not disrespect. Shaq was THAT dominant. And like Gil said, Kobe was fucking 21 years old. Steph was a rookie at 21
You know Kobe got hurt in the 2000 finals, no? He didn't play all of game 2 and didn't play game 3. You don't think that's going to impact your finals stats lol? Kobe was the reason we even went to the finals that year. Did you forget game 7 WCF against the Blazers?
CAP💯💯💯🧢🧢🧢
What's wild, shaq had the privilege to have played with the top 2 and 3 sg guards of all time respectively
Can’t nobody say Trey 5 is a sidekick
mid
Ran to a loaded team that’s why he’ll never be in the goat debate
The sidekick got more rings💍💍💍💍💍🐐
2 FINALS MVP 😂😂😂😂
No he doesn't. The first 3 are Shaq's rings. 3 straight NBA Finals MVPs attest to that. Since Kobe was on the team he gets a ring just like Rick Fox, Derek Fisher, and everyone else. But those are Shaq's rings historically. Scottie Pippen is a 6 time champion so why isn't he in the goat conversation? James Worthy won 3 rings with the Lakers but no one mentions him in goat conversations. Because sidekick rings don't count. Kobe was the man on his last 2 rings. Shaq was the man on his first 3. Facts
@@terrellbaker1660that doesn’t attest to anything cuz without Kobe their not winning
@@treso414 Without Shaq they don't make the playoffs. Without Kobe they do.
@@treso414 bro stop it man. Shaq was the man on those teams. LeBron has played 2nd fiddle to no one
Yes in the year 2000 a 21 year old kobe bryant was the 2nd option to a 28 year old shaq lmao everyone that year would have been the 2nd option to shaq but lets not act like kobe wasnt hurt in the finals and just a scrub. Shaq wouldnt have won without kobe tho just like mj didnt start winning rings till pippen
Actually it was Phil Jackson
He has a ring without Kobe so you can’t use that logic.. give shaq TMac on the lakers & they would’ve still won
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m phil helped but it takes more than a coach
@@heartlesstv4916 yea with wade again not alone and 6 years after the 1st ring
Shaq said he doesn’t compete with guards who are ball dominant shooting 30 shots a game… he said he competes with players like Tim Duncan 😅
🗣️ David Stern Vetoed the Chris Paul trade hurt me back then with Kobe getting Gasol‼️‼️
Only reason KOBE NUMBERS WERE CLOSE TO SHAQ IS BECAUSE HE GUNNED IN THE 4TH WHILE SHAQ WAS TRYING NOT TO GET FOULED
Well yeah that was the strategy lmao stfu forever
Shaq was a horrible free throw shooter
Umm sir he had to if they wanted to win their own coach even said 4th quarter is all Kobe
False 💯💯💯
RIP Kobe 🙏
No Kobe slander , but because you love a player, don't change narrative.... The other NBA players back then couldn't wait for Shaq to leave. After Shaq left, teams were letting Kobe score, but he wasn't winning.
Kobe said, " ama bust his a..." about Ray Allen ( playing with Seattle then) because Ray made a comment about Shaq being gone.... yall can Google the first game for Lakers vs. Seattle after Shaq left. The NBA players, even Phil Jackson, left him and wrote a book about his pov of Kobe....
Now I will not sh.t on Kobe's greatness. After Being Humbled, Phil coming back then Memphis giving Lakers a gift with Pau Gasol and Bynum, Kobe's game matured beautifully, and the NBA hated on Kobe getting more chips by vetoeing the Chris Paul trade when Kobe still had his powers
Honestly it’s all relative to how you view it. In my opinion, the Lakers were a trash team that had Two ultra superstars. You can’t plug and play VC, AI, Tracy into the Lakers and get the same results. It only worked because Kobe and Shaq were two of the best 3 players in the league.
@justinjones9579 the others would've gotten at least 1 definitely AI and TMac.. VC wasn't much in the playoffs as the face of the franchise. But yeah, Kobe was more dedicated to being The Greatest more than the others, and he stayed healthy
i agree no Kobe Bryant slander
Wtf does this have to do with Shaq dominating the Finals?
Kobe fans don't want no slander on his name but will slander other greats name like the fans of the other greats not going to say nothing 😂
@ respectfully Shaq dominated because he had the easier matchup in the finals. If WCMVP was a thing Kobe would’ve gotten it all three years and maybe a 4th in 2004
Kobe Bryant 2001 WCF Stats: 33 points, 7 rebounds, 7 assists.... this ain't no robin numbers....
Klay scored 60 in 3 quarters and will never at any point in his career be considered a better player than Steph who was Batman 🤷🏿♂️
That was one series. Look at the totality of each season.
@@taymoneybagz9024klay better than Kobe ?? Has klay ever carried his team?? Had klay ever averaged 30 pts throughout the playoffs
@@taymoneybagz9024nigga thats one game goofy ass dude. Klay has never averaged over 24 in a series
@@jourdansarpy4935 wcf was basically the finals. much harder than the actual finals lol.
99-00 kobe averaged 15.6 Shaq averaged 38
00-01 kobe averaged 24.6 Shaq averaged 33
01-02 kobe averaged 26.8 Shaq averaged 36.3
Anyone who says Shaq was the sidekick is bugging
Where did you get those numbers😂😂😂
@@DLJ19 It’s not hard to search it up
That's in the finals only.. how about about the road to get there ?? Like going thru the Spurs, blazers, kings.. look those up
It’s like LeBron and kyrie, kyrie had big moments and made crazy shots, he even scored 41 in the finals, same as bron, but we all knew who no.1 was
These dudes trying to rewrite history SHAQ WAS BATMAN KOBE WAS RODMAN KOBE LOSS THEM THE FINALS TRYING TO BE #1
I can tell you didnt even watch the Kobe and Shaq era. They were Superman and Batman. They were never called the Shaq Lakers, they were the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. You and Gill sound silly.
@@ntwpodcast4100you're right Shaq and kobe Lakers, not kobe and Shaq Lakers. Shaq was the best player in the NBA back then not kobe. Superman/Batman or Batman/Robin doesn't matter SHAQ was the top dog kobe was under him. Get out y'all feelings.
@@itsruffoutchea6636 Stop trying to talk like Gill. "Get out of your feelings" They were called Shaq and Kobe or Kobe and Shaq Lakers. Shaq in 2001 called Kobe the best player in the league. That's facts. You didnt even watch basketball back then. You just told on yourself with that senseless comment. For teir first championship Shaq was the best. The second and third....Batman and superman. Batman is over Robin but Superman and Batman are equals. Batman and Superman are both alphas so it does matter.
@@ntwpodcast4100 Batman and Superman are not equals and neither were Shaq and kobe. Miss me with that dumb bs you're talking about.
@@itsruffoutchea6636 My point is uperman and Batman are both Alphas kid.
Damn bruhhhhh how this mf beat me by 10 seconds 😭
😂😂😂
Jordan would never be robin to no one, he came into the league as that guy immediately.
You dumb as hell if you don’t think he would of been robin to Shaq 😂😂so was Kareem, so was Shaq so was many other Great players
Weak take fr! If you don’t think they wouldn’t be playing thru Shaq not mj your not very smart
@@michaelpaullang4401 the only not very smart person is the idiot trying to say shaq would be the focal point of an offense when the greatest offensive player ever is right there
MJ was NEVER the guy
@@michaelpaullang4401 u must not be very smart to even question who they would play through Jordan was 3rd in scoring his rookie year, finished 6th in MVP voting, and was all NBA 2nd team as a rookie.
Big Kobe fan here but Shaq was the force in those 3 year championship run. Teams would prefer Shaq to be injured instead of Kobe
How ever you wanna label it. Shaq was the top dog in those 3 championship years. Why do people wanna get offended when they hear that?
Be it him being Robin To Batman, or Batman to Superman. The fact is that the best player was Shaq.
Kobe had his moments where he helped the team win games, but Shaq took them there and was the main reason they won.
Idk bout y’all but 6-0 in the finals and never went to a game 7, then he leave come back and win 3 more I don’t think that will happen ever again!!! 🤝📌
Well when take 2 years off that helps
Y'all say that shit because he is deceased
Gil wasn’t saying sh** when Kobe was alive.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6myou literally don’t know him to know that
Kobe would tell you it was Shaqs team if he were alive, which is why he threatened to go to the Clippers and Bulls. U new cats are brainless
Robin rings is mad crazy . Every argument gil has against kobe leads back to lebron
How LeBron has been the best player on every team he’s played for
@@MLC719in that case how does he have more losses than wins
@@fadercreek played a dynasty in the spurs several times & another dynasty in the warriors (1 series without klove & Kyrie while avg a triple double) & another against a KD lead 79-3 golden state team who he beat the year before.. pretty self explanatory
@@fadercreek I understand that LeBron has underperformed in some finals but he was still the best player on all those teams
@@fadercreek lol that doesn’t even make sense lol LeBron was the best player for all his rings Kobe was not. Go cry
How you know every ring ain't the same. When you never got close to a ring. Be quiet Gilbert😂😂
Gil was absolutely right
Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Artest with a lot of bail out during the finals...it was never all Kobe
Thank you they try to act like that team was trash to lift Kobe up
Yes and LeBron and Jordan did it all alone too. Shaq could’ve did it with anyone. Nice logic
@@seanzadsalamat5167right he sound so dumb 😂😂😂 he’s acting like anyone he named was top 150😂😂😂😂 all time can’t say that about lebron Jordan shaq wade Duncan noneeee of them and im the biggest lebron fan…
Shaq is the only teammate Kobe has who avg 20PPG
Gasol has the record for being swept. He did absolutely nothing before Kobe. What did Bynum do after? Bynum wasn't even an all star during the 2peat. Odom is my guy. I have nothing bad to say about LO. Artest has 1 all star in his career. That finals everybody said Kobe played bad in, he still averaged 29 lol. Imagine being so good your bad is 29 lol
Brandon and swag sound crazy
If you didn’t watch during that time period then please just don’t say anything. If you watched, you’d know Shaq was being double and triple teamed. Kobe was able to put up numbers because teams were throwing the kitchen sink at Shaq. Shaq was so dominant at the time, if he caught the ball, it was already over.
Everyone knew that at THAT time, the team coming out the WEST was the winning champ. KOBE was a major, if not, THE reason they won the west.
Gil’s right on this one 💜💛#LakerNation‼️
Gil lowkey always be tryna throw shade on Kobe for some odd reason… even after Kobe complemented his game and respected him, but the guy that teased and embarrassed him in a critical playoff game (LeBron) he constantly on his knees for 🤦♂️😴
That's the actual truth though. Nobody wants to remember it that way but the entire league knew that was Shaq's team.
Its not shade KOBE WAS NEVER OVER SHAQ man y'all dudes weren't even born talking about this shyt is crazy
How is it shade. Anyone with a brain knows they don't win those first 3 without Shaq
@@kungfufemafam9216I’m not talking about just this topic dumbass anytime Kobe comes up he acts weird for some reason if you actually watch the show
@@704jizzle2I’m talking about when Kobe is a topics as a whole not just this conversation, be better at comprehending
B. Jennings and swaggy p might be slow, kids stay in school
Kobe was a Batman in his own right! He wasn’t no side kick! Let’s be real if basketball awarded finals mvp in their division kinda like baseball does, Kobe would have for damm sure won WCF MVP in 01
Stop. Shaq was the man guy winning the first 3 rings. Everything else is purely emotional
Nobody ever said Kobe was the best player in the league when he and Shaq played together 😂 He was a Robin. It is what it is.
@@oillizmweak ass take, I can understand forts chip but after that Noo !!
@@VinceStephenhis own teammate did named Shaq ?? On national television
@@VinceStephen cap, Kobe lead the team in jersey sales even over Shaq.. he was always the fan favorite! From 2000-2011 all everyone talked about in the hood was Kobe! As youngers everyone yelled out Kobe while shooting paper trash. Everyone always said Kobe was the best
That team was built around Shaq, Kobe just had moments
Imagine being universally known as a top 5 player. All NBA offense and defense. Leading the team in assist and 4th quarter points and be told you just had moments lol. This is a differenly level of hate. Scary.
Kobe never a robin gil, thats craziii. Nick and Brandon speaking it.
I stopped arguing with kobe fans a longgg time ago 😂 i love kobe but he was definitely the #2 option to shaq at that time and it’s nothing wrong with that
Shaq & Kobe/Lebron & Kyrie = Batman & Robin 🤷♂
Lol if you believe that, it's only due to Shaq. Lebron way better than Kobe ALL AROUND and Kyrie just as good or just right there and way better footwork and ball handling. Cars 2016 run was greater than anything Kobe and Shaq ever did with each other or by themselves. But I respect your opinion
@@kungfufemafam9216he not better than Kobe mentally. Overall is mind over matter boss.
Please invite Allen Iverson to the show when they talk Kobe
Do any of you look at Kris Middleton as giannis sidekick or equal?? He hit big shots he played when giannis was hurt against the hawks but none of you would say he was his equal. He did his job but Shaq was the MAN
Bro really compared Middleton to Kobe lol 😂
@Certified_miere414 yes a sidekick
@@KobaniacMinded Yall obviously didn’t watch basketball in the early 2000s and it shows
Gil be moving the goalposts 😂😂
Gill is a clown and the more he tries to diminish Kobe he makes his own career appear ever more laughable 😂😂
Diminish Kobe how? He was behind one of the most dominant basketball players of all time. Y'all so emotional to the point where you hear something negative about your favorite player your go to is to try and discredit an NBA player 😂Calling Kobe robin I would say is a stretch though
He’s not a Kobe fan.. no Kobe fan would say that dumb shit.
Gilbert sounds like a fool
He's telling the truth
Truth hurts
I love when Swaggy turn into Petty P 😂😂
They were the perfect 1... 2 combo. Game 4 ... year 2000. Shaq fouls out. Kobe scored 8 points in OT for the W. Game 7 WCF Kobe throws a lob that pretty much won the game also. He was forrsure a lead dawg. They both were when they needed to be 💯
Gill was cooking them boys lol 😂💯
It did NOT feel like a Batman-Robin duo . They both were ANOMALIES in their own category 🥂
The thing with Gil is he makes sense to the people who didn’t watch the lakers at that time. So it’s easier to go to the numbers and say Kobe was robin. But it was more of a magic Kareem situation, Kobe played the same important role that Shaq did.
Kobe was the KEY 🔑 to unlock Shaq’s full potential. He was the primary ball handler, led the team in assists. And Kobe’s ability to break down a defense created more room for Shaq. Gil a known Kobe hater, don’t listen to that “ima fan but Kobe sucks because..” 😒 the ninja wouldn’t be saying none of this if Kobe was still here..
What makes Jordan the GOAT in my Opinion is from the stories my dad told me and that the fact his 6 rings came off 3 peats no one else has done that Kobe was close but didn’t make finals in 2011 but he won 09 /10 he had a chance to do exactly what Jordan did which was Kobe idol and who he idolized his game from