Separate the Art from the Artist
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“Hitler rose to power because of cancel culture” is really not a take I was expecting to hear today
nooo where is that lol? hes probably regurgitating some right wing goon who calls war reoperations cancel culture
Timestamp? I cba to listen to this whole vid, this guy hurts my brain
The guy who was hired to be the chancellor without winning any election bc the bigger parties were splitting the vote too evenly and couldn't form a coalition.
I mean its sort of true but cancel culture has always been the right wingers game. When it came to interracial marriage, gay marriage, socialism/communism, drugs, cursing, video games, board games, imagery that isnt Christian, movies that arent Christian, music that isnt Christian, beliefs that aren't Chrisian etc etc etc
@@nathanielchieffallo4273i mean it literally isnt true and is completely ahistorical. Also this idea of cancel culture is so stupid as no one ever talks about this history of left wing people being deplatformed and you know, thrown into the river. Its a buzzword and not worth using out of a joke context
Duplee: "Kick was made because Twitch was too restrictive"
Fantano: "How lenient does Twitch need to be for there to not be a Kick?"
Duplee: "You're misinterpreting my point on purpose"
When confronted with the absurdity of his own logic he has to shift the goalposts.
He was actually right for the Kick stuff. Twitch is absolutely insane when it comes to their rules. You can show your tits and ass but if you say a bad work that woke people take offense you get banned
Timestamp?
@@TacosCanned 31:35
@@lexusr_7296thanks mate
The thing is, if twitch was ran in his idealistic way, it would just *become* kick lmao
He has admitted that he isn't educated on any of these topics but he's standing his ground so hard for no reason and he just keeps digging himself deeper into this hole
Having strong opinions about things you know nothing about is way too prominent. Every time I talk to people in real life about politics, I feel the urge to compel them to explain, define, or describe any of the things they have such a strong opinion on. Because they never have anything beyond the talking points.
This is how the world sees Americans. Uneducated but confident beyond normality.
Anthony Fantano unrelentingly scolds a child for an hour and twenty eight minutes | NOT CLICKBAIT
real
If you’re in your 20’s you’re not a child .
@@Thdarkonex3 technically yes but in all other senses that man has the brain of a middle schooler
@@Thdarkonex3 🤓
@@Ayteo. you replying with a childish ass comment like that says everything I need to know about you
You know the debate is gonna be a banger when the opponent immediately discredits their own work. Hilarious fucking moment
The 2nd hand embarrassment was crazy
immediately trying to soften the blow
He was NOT standing on business
It made me cringe so hard. He was clearly feeling some nerves in confronting Fantano.
ODB. Lennon. Bowie. Page. Ghost & Rae. Et al. Polanski, Puffy, MJ.
I will continue to listen to their music and watch their films.
This is a hilariously frustrating conversation. Anthony will make a salient and well-spoken point, then Duplee says "I understand where you're coming from, but I completely disagree." and then he will proceed to not explain at all why he disagrees and instead bring up some completely random and unrelated topic. I'm 19 mintues in and this has happened at least 4 times now 😭
Hey you're a legend from my childhood bro. Sending you love
@@MichaelTurner856 I really appreciate that, thank you!
Omg it’s the club penguin guy 😂 (I’m just messing w you)
I agree this was frustrating I wanted there to be clearer points made so they could have a proper discussion and honestly I feel like it was only in the final 30 mins where the conversation really had it’s main direction
Yeah, I couldn't finish the rest of the video. I like Duplee, but he was not prepared for this conversation.
this is what happens when debate bros meet people that actually have a point and are not debating it for the sake of debating.
“I am not a fence-sitter” also “this is how I sit on the fence.” All in one breath. Amazing.
Bro was saying he’s not centrist all while regurgitating the most European centrist points of all time
Debates with the No. 1 Drake stan are funny.. Duplee on the other hand is incredibly painful.
The Drake Stan even had the sense to say he’s not rocking w this Kanye album despite previously being a huge fan because he has become so hateful
Los Pollos is clearly an idiot with no arguments, hence why it's fun to see Fantano destroy him.
Sorry if this is a stupid question I’m not super tied in to the fantanoverse but wasn’t dublee the channel that posted fantano streams before he started to do it himself? If yes, wtf happened here lol
@@stevensilver2880 yeye duplee used to be a fantano clips channel (uploading the stuff like "hating logic for 14 min" but then he deleted all that content and started to upload his own original vids centered around music as well
White boy Summer 2018!
Separate the Melon from the WaterMelon
You can’t cuz the water is in the melon 😢
Separate the flesh from the rind.
🍉 🍉 🍉 *RRRRRRRRR pop*
💧💧💧 🍈🍈🍈 omg yay i did it 😄
@@JSGRanksGood job 👍🏻😊🔥🔥🙏
good comment
“Duplee spends an hour and a half showing why he should’ve stayed the Fantano clips guy”
Also this dude really said “when Hitler was elected” this is why you don’t debate with someone who actually knows their shit when you don’t
Fantano clip guy v Fantano feels like a fever dream.
Exactly. This dude took the biggest L I’ve ever seen. I don’t know what he was thinking. Why does he think he’s more intelligent than he really is? Like he had nothing going on here whatsoever. Why would you go on stream to do this? It just seems like a giant waste of everyone’s time
@@chiarosuburekeni9325He looked up a bunch of big words so he tricked himself into believing he was intelligent, it happens more often than you would think.
It's like a verbal placebo effect. Saying his nonsense out loud helps him reinforce his own beliefs.
@@coffdrop77Hitler democratically rose to power
"if Twitch didn't crack down on CP, Kick wouldn't exist" is everything I need to know about everyone on Kick or supports Kick.
Least depraved libertarian
riot and citrus moment
I heard it's bad on there too. Insane
@@Kitsuniga_ri "there's a demand" is such a fkn cop out
last I heard it was full of people openly advertising their OF accounts and flashing their bare breasts for donation goals, which all the power to em but jfc I didn't realise kick had such a fucked origin story
Anthony demonstrating the patience of a saint while cooking this guy.
Oh hi sinix! love your art by the way
Didn't expect to see Sinix here. I agree entirely though.
Not really he just saying the usual lib things he always says . Kanye is a legend . Fantano is a lil agenda chasing bozo who can’t stop spewing liberal views while they rob the country (I’m not rich winged I don’t vote for either party)
All he does is debate with people he know he can win with. That doesn’t take skill at all. He’s a joke
@@AmazingLucasExposedalso I just don’t think he won either neither of them did all that much with their points
I love how these kids say fantano is a snowflake, yet they can’t hold their own in a conversation
Facts
He gives people a chance to speak but isn't afraid to call them on their shit either.
Duplee never called fantano a snowflake
@@vasilijepopovic2916Hence "these kids." It's a type of person and a type of discourse, not a thing that literally happened.
Facts
This has "college lecturer having a one-on-one with an iffy student" written all over it
The iffy student with a trench coat and a duffle bag
If you're in a burning building and one person is saying "we gotta run for the door" and the other is saying "we need to run further into the building," the middle ground would be just deciding to stand there
Boom
Lol no that's an absolute shit analogy. No one inside a burning building would be advocating for anyone inside it to be running further into it. Every building policy enforces that people move for the exit, no matter what.
@@hamupinhere you'd be surprised
@@killthepandas.no he/she wouldn't
@@hamupinhere
In burning building: "man insulin is so expensive right now, and they want to make it more expensive for everyone!"
Guy who wants to leave burning building: "we need to vote and stop the price hike! For the good of everyone"
Guy who wants to run into burning building: "No! We gotta endorse the guy who wants to raise it to own the libs"
Tldr, there are people who will absolutely ruin things for both themselves and everyone else if it's to prove a stupid point. Sorry if you don't want to believe it, but yes, there are indeed people who will sprint right into that burning building and ask everyone to do the same, logic be damned.
this guys point basically boiled down to "nazis may be bad but have you ever thought of being nice to them?" as if all hitler needed was a hug and he wouldn't have done what he had done
Maybe all he needed was a second testicle.
Yeah man they definitely cared about cancel culture, the Russians who forcefully deported ny family members to siberia to die and starve also really cared about getting canceled or needed a hug
The dude needs to open and read a few history books or anything. Not be reliable on TikToks made by 15 year olds
bros got the steven universe worldview
The only person who needed to be nicer to Hitler was Hitler’s dad. The only thing anyone got from being nicer to Nazis was them invading Poland.
“I think we’re on the same side here” Fantano vigorously shakes head 😂😂😂
Idk why him saying Alex Jones was sued into the Stone Age made me laugh so hard but that part was great
That part was so funny
ODB. Lennon. Bowie. Page. Ghost & Rae. Et al. Polanski, Puffy, MJ.
I will continue to listen to their music and watch their films.
@@geekylove3603 no one will stop you. Do you have a kink for being told not to consume problematic art or something?
Timestamp?
This guy was not prepared for this discussion, anthony was coming in swinging
That is the case for this topic across the board lol
Anthony might be an old man but that has its benefits 😂 he actually knows himself
@@joaquin5929 knows his bs bro won't care if kanye said anything about any group but the moment he spoke about the special group that you should never dear to spoke about to, he's mad now
Did duplee do any sort of work beforehand for this debate or did bro only rely on his own video to back him up. Bro should’ve done debate club in high school
I totally expected to see comments like this under Fantano´s comment section. The d1ck riding is insane.
I don’t want to “come to an agreement” with bigots. The hell is this kid on about.
😂😂😂
He watches Destiny bro of course he thinks like that
@aadliafiq to be fair fantano has an extremely flawed and disingenuous view of destiny
@@jedicraftmaster2426 Elaborate. In great detail. With receipts.
@@Trepanation21they don’t have the ability to do that with reason without proving themselves wrong, so they don’t.
Duplee: I don’t care what people think.
Also Duplee: why do people have to roll their eyes when I praise Kanye and Jordan Peterson 😢
This baby is so smooth! *pounds hood* It's as frictionless as space! Got less wrinkles than eggs!
this guys whole argument is literally just “disagreeing bad”
Funny how he only brings that up with Nazis.
Seemed to have a very limited capacity to unpack alot of what Fantano put forth. Was hard to watch
literally what so many people say today. such a mind numbingly simplistic take,
And even that seemed to just be a vehicle for him to get to "Why'd you call me stupid Anthony? That hurt my feelings"
That's not what he was saying he is saying at all . He is saying everyone enters said conversations with their minds already mad up. They do this simply because you don't like a person. I'm split 🤔 kick was literally made because of deplatforming. Anthony entire agreement was CP porn the entire time.
his point literally boiled down to “don’t call things bad, please”
LOL true. People are gonna call Kanye a shitty person. Like sorry if you don't think that's "productive" but its what happens when you outwardly make antisemetic comments.
"Be nicer on Twitter because some hypothetical person might be turned off by you being mean to people that are probably the ones being mean first"
dont call bad things i happen to agree with bad
Its honestly kinda like the type of shit you hear from Boomers when they try to claim racism didn’t exist when they were growing up because “no one was talking about racism so much.”
yeah this guy was a bit of time waster tbh not sure why he bothered having him on
the mlk bit especially pisses me off because the man quite literally DID stop just being nice and later on in his life and career up until his assassination was increasingly more and more supportive of more proactive civil rights efforts and even admitted that sometimes you have to actually fight for whats right and not just protest about it. this idea that the people doing the oppressing can talk how they want and literally oppress people, the idea that racists can be racist, but the victims of these things are the people who's tone you feel the need to concern yourself with, is absolutely idiotic
they loooove to talk about "peaceful protests" but dont mention that the FBI ASSASSINATED the "non-peaceful" protestors like MLK and X
Moral of the story: if you’re willing to have hot takes or be a video essayist, learn how to debate so that someday, you’re not going to be made a fool of
Seriously. So many of these internet people's experience of their own content is "I have ideasa, and said them to a camera. and then edited myself for what i believe is potentially the best version" and then "and also read/replied to comments, and have more ideas that i will publish".
So little of these _iDeAs_ are **EVER** challenged or explored in a learning environment with: 1) Someone MORE if not equally formally educated on the topic than the content creator, and 2) a peer group that can react in real-time/face to face.
Seriously. I don’t roundly disagree with duplee or his point, he says some things I agree with, but Jesus, this is the definition of coming unprepared to a “debate” -if we can even call this that, lol
@@toziassmittI agree, I’d also like to add that Fantanas use of ad hominem attacks really discounts his ability to debate…I found his condescending attitude and mannerisms as well as his constant interruptions very tacky and unprofessional. Overall I give this a soft 1.
Homie said, I’m uneducated on mlk but let me tell you about him.
He not from the united states apparently but says US on his TH-cam.
@@SquidsAgainstChickensto be fair a lot of Americans are uneducated on MLK, conservatives try to co-opt his message all the time
@@MaxMax-zo9vq "this isnt what mlk wouldve wanted. he believed in seeing people for the content of their character. and this is why mlk would not have supported the little mermaid" lol
@@Antwannnn meanwhile MLK: “The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
I'm from the same place he's from and people here really don't have and can't have a true sense of the US politics or racial struggle so this whole debate was doomed from the start @@SquidsAgainstChickens
This guy makes Los Pollos seem like a veteran debater with great arguments
at least Los is funny and goes back and forth with melon well
Los actually sticks to his guns and doesn't back peddle when confronted lol
speaking of Los, he streamed his reaction to Fantano's unreviewable review and agreed with it. Proceeded to shit on and fight with his own followers who were slobbering for Kanye and said outright hes notinterested in his music anymore as he supports Hitler and is antisemitic and he wants nothing to do with that. King shit tbh
Los has horrible taste but he seems like a chill guy, at this point he knows the deal and their debates are all in good fun.
The “drake and drive” argument was far more valid than anything duplee says
The way Fantano eyes bugged out of his head when in the last like 15 seconds Duplee says “maybe some other time we can debate some other topics” 😭
didn't even acknowledge it just hit him with the "aight have a good one buddy"🤣
Duplee seems like the kind of guy who would, unironically, say “well, you know, if there were no laws then there would be no law-breakers” and think he’s making a good point
A lot of people in the 21st century have that kind of mindset, sadly.
"cringe title" "those words did come out of my mouth, but-", dude isn't standing by anything he's ever said, and shows up so unprepared, he can't even articulate his own point. "think-piece but you can't think" is right
Exactly
Reactionaries are known for reacting, not thinking.
Literally has no spine, or an idea of what hes even arguing about. It pains me knowing there are many people just like this.
Looking like a red-pill debater on h3
the video should have had an "I don't know" counter. :P
Fantano: It’s weird that you think the reaction that happened wasn’t the one I intended.
Other guy: What you intended doesn’t matter. It’s what ends up happening in the end.
Master class in not listening
This part made me laugh too
Fantano: "I've literally seen him... advocate for the deaths of people he deems unreasonable"
"You kinda do the same thing dont you?" (By calling nazis bad.)
Brilliant.
"You think I’d repeat that on my stream??”
New favorite cop out to not providing any example of the accusations you make. Well done fanatno
@@samiam7241 he litteraly provided the examples minutes after though. But granted I don't know Destiny's contraversy well, so I can't really tell if what he said was true.
@@samiam7241he said to google it. And if you did instead of making weak zingers you’d find it easily
@@samiam7241ratio
@@bruh......2005 it is. destiny had a heated moment on stream where he said "The rioting needs to fucking stop. If that means white redneck militia dudes mowing down dipshit protesters that think they can torch buildings at 10 PM, at this point they have my fucking blessing. Holy shit, this shit needs to stop. It needed to stop a long time ago." and he was banned for encouraging violence against protesters/rioters
this debate really encapsulates the phrase “if you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything”
it didn’t really seem like any of duplee’s opinions here had any solid ground whatsoever, he seemed to be on the verbal backfoot for the entire hour and a half
No he was just trying to find common ground
Almost feels like duplees entire stance on this topic is predicated exclusively on him not wanting to feel backlash for endorsing his love for Kanyes music. And the rest of his "ideas" are just an afterthought on how to legitimize a means to do that without scrutiny 🤔
Agreed. Though it may have come from a good place, if the goal is just to "to find common ground", that goes against the entire point of a debate, which is to convince your opponent you are correct, not try to find what your opponent's arguments have in common with your own.
@@NarcissistMargarineyes, his feelings got hurt and that’s all he cared about. His last bit at the end really made that obvious. He also sneaked in he thought fantano was being mean at points and really wanted to be considered a victim.
@@lex_9940 He wasn't in the tweets he posted. He just wanted people to sit down and shut up about their opinions, because he doesn't care.
Then he has to defend those opinions, and then suddenly it's "hey, okay, we all have different beliefs, why are you curcifying me for them?" After saying that other people's arguments are divisive or unproductive. More divisive than the guy who blamed Jews for why rappers talk about crime and drugs so much. He'd rather go on big publicity stunts and twitter tirades that scare away sponsors, than actually do something altruistic to help the communities that he claims suffer from these totally real problems.
I find it funny that Kanye fans hate Fantano but want him to still review Kanye’s albums
They always need to have something to complain about
Not only review them, but give the albums 9/10s or above every time
Kanye stans also preach free thinking but get mad when people disagree with Kanye
Not the brightest group of individuals
Personally I really dislike Kanye as a person but I can’t say the same of his past songs
@@FearlessXLVultures was garbage though.
Fantano: "People in the chat are cringing at what you're saying"
Duplee: "I dont care what people think"
Bro you're in this debate because of what people said to you on Twitter, you absolutely care what people think, that's literally why you are here lol
For once the chat has an appropriate reaction to the context
@@bruh......2005 yeah I've heard Fantano's chat can be pretty toxic.
@@SahloFolina2161 From I've seen the bad apples consists mainly of brainrot individuals that glaze Melon hardcore and the most obnoxious contrarians/trolls you can find.
@@bruh......2005 People who think they know everything about music cuz they watch Fantano?
He probably meant he didn't care what those people thought
This guy really showed up with a "You're part of the problem," Anthony says "Elaborate,"
and this guy just goes into rant mode never once explaining what he even means.
This is the epitome of don't write checks your ass can't cash.
i can't get over how insanely cowardly duplee's being with the constant backpedaling and shifting of the goalpost every time anthony even tries to address the implications of his arguments. every time he gets caught implying something heinous and terrible, it's "but that's not what i'm saying" or "but that's not what i meant". if you're going to advocate for your own ideas you should, at the very least, have the backbone to actually stand for them instead of cowering away into a corner or trying to change your own argument retroactively to make yourself not look bad.
also him saying he's not a fencesitting centrist and then spending the entire god damn conversation fencesitting makes me feel like i'm going to die tomorrow
Well he is a Jordan Peterson fan...
Learned out to be weasely from the best
Fantano: "fuck nazis"
Duplee: "No you're wrong for saying that, that's not productive"
Thats basically what the whole conversation boils down to
It isn't productive, it doesn't confront the reason why these ideas propagate in the first place.
@@jalenp64hot take, I dosent need to be “productive” in that sense, hotter take people are well in the rights to say fuck Nazis and the idea that anybody would take more issue with that than whatever content promotes the comment is in need of heavy scrutiny.
@@jalenp64He goes over this in detail, it is productive, His goal isn't to change minds its to address the onlooking crowd and let them know "this isn't normal", because it's not, and if we just let it continue in silence it will become normal. When it comes to why these ideas propagate its not all one reason and its basically impossible for individuals to address that way, politely disagreeing with Nazis has historically not changed their minds.
@@jalenp64it’s productive towards making people who don’t care against nazis, which is a way better goal than trying to convert nazis anyway because most of these people are not gonna be changing their mind no matter what you say to them anyway. You don’t talk a homicidal murderer out of being a murderer, you send him to jail to let people know that their actions won’t be tolerated.
@@WelfareChrist “politely disagreeing” might not work, but neither does screaming “fuck you”. This is what Duplee was saying by it creates more polarization. Lets say you have a fence sitter who is starting to take interest in nazi ideas and beliefs. If progressives don’t address/debunk them and merely yell out obscenities, it might push this person in the opposite direction from their cause. To a nazi, progressives have an inability to engage with their ideas, which creates a perfect environment for them to obscure what they believe and pull people further in. So not only is it not productive, you could easily make the argument it is counter productive. The only thing you achieve by yelling “fuck you” at a nazi is making yourself feel good.
duplee: "i'm not advocating for middle position"
duplee for the last hour: "I'M TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE"
Peak levels of incoherence.
@@wavpainterPeterson taught him how to speak in word salads.
It's a cowardly argument I see people make.
I may be dumb, but does he not mean he wants the person to be 50% closer to where he is than where they were when they started?
@@bartsimpson274honestly his word salad and contradictions make even that not clear, but what he continually preaches is that in order for us to have "discussion" we have to meet in the middle.
Basically, if we don't want radical crazies like Nazis to be stuck in their ways, we need to be willing to compromise with their beliefs to open up discussion and refrain from simply telling them "you're wrong and crazy and not worth speaking with".
It's bizarre. "Meeting in the middle" means to compromise. It means both parties concede some level of their argument to try and find a fair, balanced middle point that allows for discourse and a way to satisfy both sides.
And as fantano points out, time and time again, there is not really any reason to concede any part of the argument that Nazis are racist, awful people. Or racists, etc. Nothing of any benefit is accomplished by meeting a Nazi in the middle. What's the "halfway point" we're aiming for here?
On one side, we have hateful racists who want to oppress a race.
On the other, we have people calling them out saying they are hateful racists who are wrong and despicable.
Where's the middle...? The Nazi conceding they'll be %50 *less* racist while the ones calling them out concede to call them out %50 less?? So we treat the racists better and sympathize less with the victims of rampant racism? That'll make us understand each other better??
I don't really want to understand a racist better, because none of us actually believe that any part of their rhetoric is beneficial at all.
Duplee spends an hour and a half playing mental gymnastics with himself saying a whole lot of nothing.
"One of the hardest things for a centrist to answer is what do they believe." They say let's meet in the middle without defining what that middle is.
The Middle is not making them feel bad for having shitty opinions or being an apologist to shitty people
maybe a little cringe of me to quote a video game but disco elysium nails it
"[Centrists] don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world."
"My point is not 'no boundaries', it's just that I don't think people should ever react negatively out loud about anything or anyone to others because it might upset people who like them"
We went from "separate art from the artist" to "separate Hitler from holocaust" real quick
Separate ☝️🤓
@@khayotikk1 sorry mister. English isn't my first language
@@vladokubis6864don’t desecrate my beautiful language then
hahahahahaha thats funny asf
@@lurluxl@khayotikk1 both of you rot in hell it was probably completely understandable and you just want to be pedantic
6:51 I'm going to quote Natalie from Contrapoints here because this part reminds me a lot of what she was talking about "Deradicalization is a valid strategy. But it cannot be the only strategy, and it must not be the primary strategy. Because we're not going to defeat racism by telling Black people to be a little nicer to racists."
Which Contrapoints video is that? You got me interested and I'd like to watch it
@@carloandresl
I am pretty sure it is the last one she uploaded to TH-cam, "The Witchtrials of J.K. Rowling".
@@carloandresl the witch trial of J.K Rowling!
This, right here; the Contrapoints video you’re referencing is the exact thing that came to mind when I was watching this. Converting bigots is great, but oftentimes, they can’t be converted and simply have to be defeated.
YWNBAW
Duplee saying that Joe Biden is a leftist really shows how little he knows about politics. And the fact that he thinks liberalism is somehow leftist, when liberalism is the literal staple of the right-wing economic system (free market, no government involvement, personal wealth is great, less taxes). Both Donald Trump and Joe Biden are economically liberal, Trump being slightly more extreme, what matters is where they stand ideologically. And even still, Trump is an extreme right wing conservative, and Biden is moderatly conservative when you look at the rest of the world. There is no left wing party in the US, there is extremist consevatives, and then there's moderate liberals, both being on the right in the political spectrum. I've heard this argument from so many people who know next to nothing about politics and it pissed me off enough here to write this long ass comment. Do your research before trying to step into a political sphere where you have nothing to say. He also keeps saying that people like Fantano aren't being productive, when he literally has no productive point and keeps asking what we should do to prevent polarisation, but gives no realalistic examples because he doesn't know better. He should just shut up for now, do research and make actual informed descicions, instead of fence sitting and holding hands with both the antisemites and the frustrated leftists, saying things like "Hey guys, can't we just try and meet each other in the middle". My brother in Christ read ONE book, please.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk
Wait until you learn that words have different meaning in different context. Then you can stop wasting your time writing walls of text over a simple misunderstanding on your part.
Nice comment, thanks for wording out things that im too impatient and exhausted to do myself. This "debate" was insane
"Moderately conservative when you look at the rest of the world". More like when you look at europe.
@@dariuzthemacaroni1308 Yeah I worded that weird, was mainly meant to be comparing the US to countries with similar economic and political systems, i.e Europe and the Western world, but yeah a lot of the rest of the world is definitely more conservative.
@@captaintontito7406 Thanks, I appreciate it:)
“We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.”
―James Baldwin
I wrote a biography about James Baldwin, 800 words, pretty light
@@Itz2wice Cool!
I don't think he understands that when there are malicious people with the intent to harm you, there is no "meeting them in the middle" - they aren't interested in your wellbeing and it's not worth trying to reason with them, you can't tolerate their intolerance
I'm sure someone in chat mentioned it at some point, but I think it's called the paradox of tolerance
My favorite example of this is that meeting in the middle with someone calling for genocide means compromising with murder.
This is mainly the problem with centrism. Sometimes like you said, there's no sittin in the middle and try to have a middleground on certain topics. What even is the point of trying to be "nice and understanding" with Bigots when there's no equal recipocration.
There's a general red-line in being a person of acceptance and being open-minded and that is to be accepting, until you are faced with the argument for the destruction of that acceptance/tolerant society (i.e bigots, real hate-groups, groups that argue and advocate for violence right from the get-go). Being tolerant of them at that point you might as well be being open and friendly to what is effectively a social cancer.
You can have too much of *anything* in this world and you can have too much tolerance/acceptance. If a hate-group is organizing in your society, to be accepting of it is to be supportive of your own downfall.
Thus you must counter-act it to defend what you have built.
@@bruh......2005 U also realize there’s no possible way society can function if there’s only the extreme of 2 sides. I constantly see leftists demonizing centrists not realizing some of these people will radicalize the other way when there’s no meeting somewhere in the middle without being ostracized. What do u think is causing the rise of young right wingers? Not everyone is going to agree with the whole platform of the socialist left.
@@bruh......2005centrism is an umbrella term for a wide variety of moderate or mixed viewpoints, not an ideology based around toxic niceness (that would be leftism)
My man Duplee went from a Fantano reposter to arguing with him live on stream. Dreams really do come true
He uploaded some videos on his channel too 😢 talk about burning bridges
Ngl I really like his videos to 😂. Idk why he changed the title to the video I think it was called something else before that was less cringe. Blaming this on a "political correctness" is misguided and kind of obscures his point
@@MichaelTurner856him blaming “political correctness” is so grifty
🎵 Don't stop! Belieeeeevin'! 🎵
I had no idea Duplee was white
This guy is way too concerned with common ground. Like, common ground is nice but it means nothing if it's at the cost of just handwaving away the issue. He should worry more about understanding the issues at hand before he tries playing referee.
He want you to be in his middle ground not everyone's middle ground 😂
This guy talks like a “centrist” commentary dude who eventually goes on to become a far right ideologue lol
Fantano will get dragged for giving a Duplee a platform.
Duplee is pretty clearly left. Fantano fans are just so extremely left that it’s not enough for them 😂
@Kimmhe is not left at all actually. Centrist is very much what he is. A leftist would never tolerate nazism my dude. He tries to say its not productive for people saying Nazism is bad and not wanting to partake in it at all by not reviewing music that has NAZI REFERENCES IN IT MY GOD.
@@MarkMcKimmif extremist left means not supporting nazis in 2024 we’re cooked
@@MarkMcKimmyes however he needs to get his arguments straight cause he is so confusing
Imagine thinking that Alex Jones was simply filling a demand and not manufacturing the demand for the most part
solid point and one i'll be taking and repeating - perfectly said
I think it’s a bit of both, Alex Jones’s biggest conspiracy is against globalism. He didn’t invent the idea of globalist elites tho, he did radicalize many people but they had preexisting fears of a unifying world
Alex Jones is an entirely different monster 😅
Imagine thinking the opposite. Conspiracy bullshit has always been in deman, alex jones didnt invent that market, da fuq are you talking about?
@@Jodykangyeah, he's not escalating anything at all, he's just there goving the people what they want... sure, buddy
The problem with people like this is they don't even understand the point they're trying to make. They've spent almost no time thinking about why they have an opinion and use the counterpoint of someone else to try and figure out what they actually believe. It's a product of modern culture and says a lot about society (especially in North America) as a whole.
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Yeah, the whole argument is "i don't like people making fun of certain people, so callouts are inherently problematic" and that doesn't hold any weight.
At least whoever this guest is, he read Peterson so he can now pick up his room and wash his own genitals while holding terrible and harmful ideas he can barely articulate!
Yeah, they're beating around the bush too much.
yeah i think verbal debates are not really productive because people cant think and speak at the same time. its a lot easier through text but thats not very entertaining. that dude didnt really even listen to fantanos response to the same point he made over and over again and fantano didn't really hammer it home in an easily digestible way for this dude to get it
Truly sad sight to see, two bald men arguing instead of standing together in solidarity, the real polarization no one is mentioning 😢
"when do things go too far?" great question. if you are LGBTQ and/or black, you understand that some people are arbitrarily against you, and your life could depend on it. some people don't feel their lives depend on nothing but themselves. I wonder why
Difference is that I, as a broke ass white guy, have more in common with a broke ass black man than a broke ass LGBTQ+ person has with a rich ass LGBTQ+ person lol
the more time i spend on the internet, the more i realize anyone who understands 0 about politics and is generally an idiot will always call standing up for what’s right “political correctness” lmao
Wow.. That’s such a bold blanket. I think dumb ppl tend to not be in knowledgeable about politics in general, just as they would be unknowledgeable about pretty much anything else. And at the same time, ppl who really are plugged in often have that askew moral compass where they think anything that’s “politically correct” (calling out blatant injustices) is snowflake culture
Tbf that was just for clicks, he even said it was a cringey title
@@name3236 He says that, but then his argument in the video is basically about political correctness. Its wild today how some people think that just because they don't realize what they are saying means they aren't saying it. For example, a huge part of the important political statements made in hip hop is about this exact phenomenon, the way that "The American Way" has been used to paper over an essentially White Nationalist argument with dog whistles. 911 is a joke, etc. And theres an example right there of me liking a problematic artist lol, Flav isn't an anti-semite advocating for hitler worship, so the fact hes kind of a piece of shit doesn't ruin Public Enemy for me, especially because he doesn't generally write songs about beating women or shooting your neighbors. I'm not gonna go on and on about my love for Flav either though, because he's just part of how we got these messages, i don't need to platform an abuser to bump NWA or talk about how the group represented a dope vibe. Ultimately my biggest issue is the lack of complexity in duprees argument, its all about simplifying the complexity of a very messy world and making things easier for yourself, and thats just not a dope mindset IMO. You gotta do a little of it, but ideally we accept and interact with the ACTUALITY of the world as much as possible, not some flattened, simplified childrens play version where we cant talk about or change anything because it might harsh your vibe.
@@name3236 it’s corny ass language that people who think being racist is funny use to justify their behavior. i’m especially annoyed by his defense of jordan peterson’s “psychology.” i was in high school when peterson was first blowing up on the internet, and i witnessed an obscene amount of good friends of mine turn to conservatism or bigotry due to his draconian teachings
The catchall term "woke" was a real gift to them
this felt like having a long conversation with your 15 year old cousin.
His heart is in the right place, but he just needs somebody to explain why he's wrong. He took an L, but he still has good content, and he needs to mature a bit.
This
“Chronically online fanboy debates a rational adult human” would be a great alternative title
Fantano is a human being too, just as fallible. Not this bastion of rationality as you'd imply. I mean the guy asked for examples why Destiny is considered "extreme" and Fantano immediately attacks the guy calling him a "moron", simply for asking for an example.
Chronically online fanboy.... you mean fantano? his channel is literally dedicated to fanboying music and tearing down artists
@@WeJamminmaybe because he is a music critic like you taught you were making sense with this rubbish statement 😂
@@nathanakpe4897 he’s not a very good music critic because he reviews music based on his emotions instead of a logical standpoint , kinda explains why he acts like a whiney little crybaby liberal 🤡
@@nathanakpe4897bros literally obsessed with kanye more than us kanye fans r
Duplee: I’m not a centrist, I have an ideology
2 seconds later: I like to meet people in the middle
It's strange how so many nazis say they feel politically homeless or like they're some kind of third side.
Not saying this dude is a nazi. Just implying it.
Kid is looking for a fight. Fantano calmly explains himself. Kid stumbling over his own words and contradicts himself. Fantano tries to use an analogy. Kid is confused and misses the point entirely.
He talked himself in circles just to say that Fantano shouldn’t say confrontational things to people that love confrontational people like Kanye and Trump.
He's no different then the people who bitch about cancel culture any time they get criticism for something they did or say. I don't get this idea of "compromise" he's talking about if I'm in some kind of discussion or debate I'm not looking to compromise im looking to convince people of my position, if someone wants me to compromise or to change my position they need to convince not bitch because I'm not being "understanding".
@@zkapsh right. And if you soften your position in order to make nice, or make an idea more palatable to the person you’re trying to convince of something…you’re opening yourself up to being railroaded. Allowing the other position to gain prominence. In fact, I’ve never heard anyone tell Trump or Kanye to soften their positions to appeal to a leftist. In fact, the more forceful they are, the more their base loves that shit. Tolerance for disgusting ideas can be detrimental to society, I think we’ve learned that by now.
"They wouldn't have leaked actual cp if Twitch hadn't been so aggressive in their pursuit of justice"
Bro had me stun locked after hearing that💀
Remember, the real divisiveness is calling out Ye, not Ye pulling a Jordan Peterson and using his music to legetamize his radical stances.🙄 What a silly argument
the lesson is don't make flimsy arguments about Melon if you're not ready to back it up. dude shook so fast.
I think anything duplee said that was even remotely right was such obvious, middle of the road stuff. he just kept moving the goalpost because from the first moment of the conversation it was clear he had nothing and fantano was pulling no punches. even with fantano coming down by the end, the first 5 minutes made sure duplee could've been talking alone and he'd still not have made a coherent point.
yep. just another dude thinking his feelings. he doesn't want to be the bad guy for liking Kanye, so he needs the world to pretty please not criticize the thing he likes. it's a walking, talking Freudian slip.
“That was definitely me making fun of your video”
I lost it in traffic- boys getting bodied
U can tell he was waiting to say that ☠️☠️
Yeah Anthony absolutely went in. Even the facial expressions were on point. I love how dude tries to deny something that he literally said in the video and Anthony was not gonna let that slide
And when the guy was like "so you've seen the video?" and Fantano goes "yeah I've watched it multiple times, taken notes and torn it apart" I was just like "wow this dude is in for a bad time"
@@SuperNuclearUnicornafter all the shit that happened this week it would be the worst time to try and debate him ☠️
ODB. Lennon. Bowie. Page. Ghost & Rae. Et al. Polanski, Puffy, MJ.
I will continue to listen to their music and watch their films.
@@geekylove3603 No one cares
He’s worried about being unproductive but he comes into this talk completely unprepared and just asks the dumb “what can we do” instead of offering anything valuable. He just wanted to have the shallow “we should all understand each other and not be mean talk.
duplee: don't criticise me it hurts my feelings
meanwhile his entire channel was built on him just insulting artists in the harshest ways possible, dude is the worst.
"Dont criticize me I'll turn more red pilled"
The Kick example is hilarious because it's the typical libertarian idealist cycle: let's make a platform just like Twitch but without the censorship; oh fuck people are spamming slurs and saying the most heinous shit live, let's put a few rules I guess; oh fuck some people are showing copyright material now, let's put a rule about that too; oh fuck... etc. etc. And in 5 years or so Kick will be either dead or have the same set of TOS as Twitch, because it's needed to run a normal platform.
This 😂😂😂😂
Exactly! He doesn't seem to understand that Kick is the platform for (mostly) outrageous, hideous creators. I wouldn't call it HUGE, I would say Kick made big moves with money to lure creators and they lured the WORST ONES. There's a reason they are no longer offering these big contracts. Advertisers aren't rushing to be on Kick as those creators are literally the reason they threatened to pull advertising from TH-cam and twitch.
Exactly this to the tee. What also kinda blew my mind was that this guy didn’t think about streamers leaving Twitch for Kick was because of money?
your still missing thats the point and consequence . Freedom has a cost and most dont like it. Odd how that works right
Exactly what happened with Twitter. Musk rolled back multiple policies he removed because he immediately realized why they were there in the first place. In any case, he has actively made the site worse with his changes and well, advertisers are leaving, the site is dying and overrun with bots.
This guy basically doesnt like getting dunked on for being dumb. Thats his whole thing. People should stop telling him bad things because of what he thinks.
Duplee has clearly never heard of the phrase “When you give an inch, they’ll take a mile”, Twitch is not to blame for a fucking predator looking elsewhere to be a predator
That was so fucking uncomfortable to listen to
Fantano: "Destiny called for the death of people he didn't agree with"
Duplee: "Well ok, but you kind of do the same thing right?"
Fantano: *blank stare*
LMAO
For the record Destiny said he didn't care if the roiters got shot. He shouldn't have said it but it was a rant about people causing violence, destroying property and making BLM look bad.
@@hellsjamfleas I mean even if you for whatever fucked up reason think that their behaviour legitimises their death. Twitch has guidelines where saying stuff like this is mentioned. You agree to them when you broadcast on the platform. You don't comply with them. You get banned.... what is there to argue about ?
I love how some people think that both sides are the same. Constant amusement with that fine tidbit
Its funny because Destiny never called for the death of anyone. He essentially said Hassan should kill himself, and his justification for that is Hassan is an objectively shitty person.
@@hellsjamfleas You're sugarcoating what he said. His exact words were "I wish the redneck militia dudes would mow down those protesters"
I can't imagine having as much patience as Fantano talking to Duplee.
People outside of the US talking about our political discourse is always hilarious.
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I get so annoyed with my Canadian friends who think they know everything about the US.
You know Duplee is gonna be full red pill in about five years
Probably right, and it seems TO ME that would be an effect of exactly what he's talking about. This whole debate was awful to watch, but I understand the point he was attempting to make. Empathy ≠ Sympathy
Five weeks
Don’t think so, sounded like he tried to actually understand what fantano was saying most of the time. Think that’s a good sign
@@HaitunPilot Agreed. I think his heart was in the right place but he just made a mess of articulating his points.
Absolutely. He uses the exact same words as Dave Rubin. And the only people still watching his videos are red pillers and kanye fanboys, so they will serve as negative reinforcement.
Anthony's facial expressions make this entire damn conversation
I was drawing while listening to this, and whenever I looked up, Anthony had the full "Guy in a Western movie is about to gun someone down" glare.
he has the face a teacher or parent makes when a kid talks back to them
This Duplee guy seems somewhat well-intentioned, just not very well-informed. He thinks radicalization results from cultural polarization and unwillingness to meet people where they’re at in public discourse, when radicalization really roots from economic disillusionment and the exploitation of that suffering by demagogues who scapegoat marginalized groups. He almost gets it at one point too. He’s just got normie brain, never encountered a materialist analysis
He cannot structure an argument nor is he intelligent enough to defend his argument. Fantano knows this. Everyone I’ve ever seen Fantano “debate” with, simply has no idea how to say what they want to say, they cannot structure an arguement.
All this over a TERRIBLE album
"I'm stopping you before you harm yourself, because self-harm is against TOS on Twitch"😆
Lmfaooo that part was so funny
This dude is 100000% what MLK talked about in his thoughts on the white moderate. Lets just appease people who have nothing to contribute because "we need to see both sides" and care about people's feelings
Dude is a very good example of the problems of letting white dudes who have zero context and zero study become figures on rap culture smh
I blame Em for so much of this smh. He brought so many of those exact dudes you described over to rap. I personally see it as a net negative
@@chiarosuburekeni9325there is a video about it called « the problem with white rappers » by fd signifier.
The white washing of MLK’s legecy and the erasure of his socialist politics has crippled people in their understanding of history.
@@chiarosuburekeni9325Blaming Em is silly
@@chiarosuburekeni9325 honestly idek if Duplee is an Eminem guy. He sounds more like someone who likes Kanye and Carti
"Im not saying that! Im saying [exact same thing]"
-this guy
Can't believe this guy spent an hour of his life saying "We should be nicer to bigots so they'll maybe change their minds" like grow up dude. Imagine making this argument to someone who's actually harmed by Kanye's dumb hateful rhetoric. Like imagine him saying this to a Jewish person "You should be nice to Kanye dude" get real
he doesn’t genuinely believe that lmao, literally in the debate he admits to making inflammatory thumbnails and titles to make people click on videos. He’s just a grifter who isn’t interested in arguing but just wants to talk Fantano in circles so that he can’t definitively accuse him of anything besides being a grifter.
I think you didn''t get the point. It's not about being nice to those who are too far gone like e.g. Kanye. It's about the sizeable portion of people who are overall decent human beings, but for whatever reasons feel insecure (economic instability, perceived low social status) and are in danger of being caught in the nets of the pied pipers on the extreme right who prey on that general vague insecurity and try channeling it into anger by offering simple scapegoats such as minorities or the left. Be nice to THOSE people, or at least don't shit on them unnecessarily, bc by treating them badly you will only validate every stereotype about the left and drive them further into the arms of the rabble rousers. And then, if they get properly radicalized, then things get dangerous. Believe me, as a German I know a thing or two about that, sadly.
It is always a battle for the minds of the sizeable group of the undecided. All political parties literally spend millions every year to convince those people to their side. And you won't convince them by being mean to them bc then they'll close off and won't listen to your arguments any further
@@muenchhausenmusic respect for the effort
@@muenchhausenmusicNah, I actually think OP is right on reducing this guy's points to "be nice to everyone".
Yours is an expansion this guy wasn't capable of. There might be merit to it but I still think not handing out platforms willy nilly for fascists is necessary.
Trying to be reasonable and accommodating towards fans/"normies" can work, but it has its limits. If someone wants to get pipelined into the alt right then at some point down the line it becomes their choice and therefore their accountability. Compassion isn't worth anything if it isn't tempered with accountability
Unfortunately, this is the basic Kanye fan argument about all this though. Super frustrating
It seems the young lad’s whole point was just “be more polite to conservatives…or Hitler will happen!”
Gosh that kick argument was fucken terrible
I'm only 27 min in and I know Duplee cannot recover from how badly he's lost this one. He's all in the middle and not taking a stand.
Anthony was pretty fundamental in establishing mainstream online music discourse, now he has to debate sympathizing idiots who think that admitting ignorance is somehow a noble endeavor.
I mean, I agree with you for the most part, but I do think admitting ignorance is noble. The problem isn't his admission of ignorance, it's the fact that he kept talking and positioned himself as "more nuanced" and wiser than Fantano for having the "positions" he had.
His argument boils down to “we should be nicer with people we disagree with” which on its face sounds reasonable but I don’t think being nice to bigots will change their mind like he thinks. It’s just tolerating hate and opening the door for more people to get away with it. With MLK, he was more nonviolent than some like Malcom X, but MLK was assassinated anyway. So regardless of how you treat bigots they will still despise you and hurt you
“I think these things are bad and dangerous, but more importantly, we should not say they are for fear they might actually happen.”
We should be less confrontational towards people who admire confrontational figures like Kanye/Trump? Kid is a fence sitter. I’m all for civil debate, but moderates only inhibit progress.
Spineless centrist. He’s living in a fantasy world
only priveliged ppl think like this. for black people and racists there is no "disagree", the disagreement is violent towards ones life or way of living. centrists do live in a fantasy world
hear, hear!
Love when Fantano becomes a debate bro. My favorite type of melon
Yeah but I’d rather watch the drake debates 😂 this one is painful
Same, he's a good debater
He only debates people he can easily beat
I kind of hate it, debates are cringe af, especially when you know the guy opposite of you is just a clown. I don't really get the point and it usually makes me think less of a person.
The only real reason to do it is for the algorithm. They have no critical or intellectual merit. Debasing.
The brother is misguided because he cannot understand nuance at all lmao. He thinks nuance is just saying all sides are both good and bad instead of seeing the gradients lmao. This debatebro generation is cooked because their role models are all cooked too goddamn
What being a Destiny fan does to a mf
Dude couldn't debate his way out of a drive thru, this was really painful. "Hold on I'm not finished--" but doesn't have a great point to finish to begin with. "That's not what I'm saying--" but says the same thing just in another way. "What about--" my guy you can try all you want but those points aren't valid either. Things also need to be based in some semblance of truth, and nearly everyone else that he brings up is a notorious liar / manipulator / etc.
"I get what you're saying but--" no, no you don't.
Mr Duplee looks like an actor in a teen drama movie portraying someone with anger issues who is about to snap at any moment
I wish this guy was acting, this is so hard to watch
the idealized form of the Destiny fan
Maybe this fight wasn't fair because Fantano has much more media experience and doesn't have brain rot, but jesus... this guy got bodied. Felt like bullying.
Duplee almost got a million subs though. He should be experienced by now.
Meh, talk shit get hit
@@felixorozco4055duplee doesnt even have 100k yet
Fantano is not gonna talk to someone who he feels he can lose to. that is why he takes shots on twitter against Destiny for example but will never dare to talk to him
@@casko9626fantano is really good at making dumb guys sound like morons so to say
"horrible that he had a platform to collect pictures on teensagers...but" is the wildest fuckin thing I've heard in a long time... GG's on keeping it together, Melon
Drinking game: Take a shot every time you hear polarization
Last drinking game you will ever play thats for sure
His views on how Hitler rose to power are insane.
Can’t separate art from the artist if the artist doesn’t separate themself from the art.
beautiful, big titty, butt-naked women just don't fall out the sky, you know?
Not banging tubby
Yes you can, what the fuck?
You can't say how the music sounds because you disagree with some of the things presented in it? That's literally crazy.
What does this even mean? Kanye IS music? Kanyes is less separate from his music than any/every other musician?
Bars
@@Xvladin Quiet child.
New jesse pinkman and walter white dropped
Underrated
1:19:30: great point here. Would much rather be on the right side of history than be the most likable person to all walks of life.
Everybody think they a genius till they gotta debate the melon
At least Drake guy sticks to his values of loving any Drake release for some reason. I wholeheartedly disagree with Duplee on a ton of points, but like, come prepared for a debate with anyone in any context.
I agree duplee made some really bad points but glazing melon this much is pretty cringe ngl
@@bruh......2005true but you can't tell his fans that
That ending was brutal. His final thoughts were a Scooby-Doo running sound effect for three minutes. Then he got dunked on without realizing it, then he begged for a crumb before oozing through a grate in the floor.
Asking to come back on the show to discuss another topic was so cringe
made me laugh
It's annoying how he keeps asking for Anthony to let him speak and then just interrupts Anthony whenever Anthony tries to finish a point.
I feel like there was no argument here. This guy had no idea what he wanted to say. Fantano cooked him.
But he made
Post post post irony
@@sleep6837 pre actual post irony
to the people who unironically say this, yall think he can make it again?💀
Vultures was good
If Kayne said anything bad about any group no one would care but the moment he spoke about the special ones he is the bad one now
When Fantano goes into a debate knowing he is going to body the opposing view point….chef’s kiss
Nah I don’t think he goes all “alright imma beat him up with arguments” 😂😂
I kinda feel bad for the guy he got on, he made a dumb video defending a dumb take and made the mistake of doing absolutely no preparation for this discussion
Meanwhile you've got Anthony who is a well spoken, passionate guy who has considered this topic many times over the years and came in with notes ready to go
all he did was say that he isn’t going to be fair towards a kanye review anymore because even when he was generous and nice about his review he still got hate so he’s not gonna try anymore and be fair with the reviews and the music. which makes no sense. he’s a reviewer that’s his job to have good integrity reviews and to be fair. why just because people are gonna hate no matter what he says that he doesn’t have to make a good review and be fair. that’s just lazy, he should hold a standard that he goes by no matter the backlash but to him it’s okay to be lazy with the review because people are gonna hate regardless
@@KanyeNuts Yeah, fantano's a grown child who spends too much time on twitter and you see the impact. It's such a different, refreshing feeling when you look back at Fantano's videos f.e. 5 years ago. It seems that he's maturing backwards, like Kanye and Drake.
@@SM-ef7yp dude maturation to you is political neutrality. Ur a simpleton
34:31 When he said that Anthony "kinda does the same thing" i.e advocates for murder I fucking lost it. Duplee's whole argument was a flaming pile of garbage.
Anthony was completely wrong there though, Destiny's take on the matter was both morally and legally 100% justified, Fantano is just a smug coward who purposely took it out of context against someone who clearly wasn't prepared in the slightest.