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10:12, 14:25. Paul Tatsugushi was a Japanese medic. A native of Hiroshima, and a devout Seventh-day Adventist, who had graduated from college and medical schools in California before the war. Loved America, but had to enlist in the IJA in 1941. His diary depicts a side not typically associated with the Japanese soldier of WWII. His diary was eventually recovered by a US soldier named Dick Laird, son of an Appalachian coal miner, who kept in his posession for 40 years, before deciding to track down and hand it back to the authors family members.
@@Heike-- Tatsugushi's diary describes his war weariness, his longing for home and his family, but he feels that he must still do his duty and serve his country as a devoted and loyal citizen of Empiral Japan. Many Americans of Japanese heritage who were in Japan were trapped there when the war broke out in December 1941. But make no mistake here, the war in the Pacific was effectively a race war. The Japanese had been primed with xenophobic anger and hatred towards westerners. They've been taught that they were the master race of Asia. And guess who implented it: Hideki Tojo. And where did he get his inspiration from: Hitlers Nazi-Germany. Tojos vision of Japan, was that of an Asian Prussia.
As usual during the war one leader would do all the heavy lifting only to be replaced by another who would ultimately get all the glory. Brown deserved more credit then he was given. Thanks Kings and Generals for this episode. I have seen a different takes on the Attu campaign but none were as in depth as this one. So many men were lost on that Island only to be forgotten as the war in the South Pacific got all the attention. You have given the men who fought there on both sides the recognition they deserve.
Reinforce the Southern Force, which can't advance and loses men in bloody frontal assaults, rather than the Northern and Raider forces, that are advancing successfully? Brown should have told Zimmerman to stop the frontal assaults and switched the reinforcements to the other groups/areas.
If not for this series, I might never have known about these battles in the Aleutians, China and Burma. It's like getting a second college education. Thank you!
My great grandfather had been fighting the Japanese in Hubei during 1943 and 1944. He would perish in June 1944 on a river embankment. Thanks for covering this theatre.
Yet another woderful production by the Kings and Generals channel. As I've stated multiple times before, I am glad that in a year of under-discussed battles, you covered one of the MOST under-discussed engagements of the Second Sino-Japanese War. Aside from the _World War 2_ a year ago, no one else has covered this battle in THIS amount of detail. Even the _World War 2_ channel faltered a bit, since they didn't accurately portray all the Army Groups, Armies and Divisions on the Chinese side, while you guys did. Finding accurate sources of this battle is surprisingly hard, which means that any of my attempts to learn more about it have ended in frustration, since the sources are often incomplete or just poor in quality, so I'm flabbergasted by how well and accurate your video came out.
I'm convinced that infantry division COs had the most unforgiving jobs of all military brass. The men under you are counting on your good judgement to keep them alive, but the men above you expect you to execute their plans to the letter no matter how absurd (i.e. take a heavily fortified island in three days without proper equipment or intelligence), and if the plan goes awry then your career is the first on the chopping block.
yea i thought the same. the amount of dismissed ground forces commanders in these episodes is awful, especially when we can see how they weren’t even at fault most of the time
In regular life, this is parallel to what management above supervisors but below C-suite has to deal with. Only in war your people die when higher ups don't give you enough support. If you take the initiative to adapt to the situation you may get a medal or end your career. The person replacing you may be worse, so if you care about your men you actually have to make sure you aren't just yanked out of the situation.
@@korbendallas5318 Soldiers (enlisted men) don't get relieved for operational errors. If you're trying to say that the men on the ground pay the ultimate price for the mistakes of men on top, then that goes without saying. But that wasn't my point. I'm talking about accountability, not sacrifice. Nobody will argue that losing your career is worse than losing your life.
I love a lot of what you guys have done. The series on Caesar, Alexander and the Mongols are some of my favourites. But I have to say that this is your best work. Well done and keep it coming.
This battle was also proof that Buckner was unqualified for his next command, Okinawa. His battle plans and execution were terrible, causing ghastly casualties to our troops.
@@rebeccaorman1823 Instead of landing the PBY might have been trying to drop the reports out of the side of the craft onto one of the allied ships and bungled the drop.
@@jcohasset23 that doesn't make sense. Not only would it be easier to land but they dropped the report by accident. If they were trying to drop it to ships and missed the report wouldn't have been accidentally dropped.
@@rebeccaorman1823 I have no idea. I'm just theorizing because it really doesn't make sense how the reports could be accidentally dropped into the ocean.
Brilliant video as usual. The overall situation seen from a bird's-eye view, the struggle of the Allies against nature and enemies, and the slaughter of civilians by the Japanese are fully depicted. Thank you K&G!
I keep shaking my head at Rockwell's repeated assault at the Jarmin Pass, like, haven't he learned a thing? I'm not an expert and certainly can't do even half of what he did but, come on. His men were dying en masse there.
I don't think he even had mortars and as you see the higher ranking officers had absolutely no appreciation for why the time linen wasn't being followed. IIRC he lost his artillery early.
True, but I do not see how anyone in the Japanese military could have thought their small force on the mainland could ever peacefully occupy such a large nation.
Dynasty of old took all the resources from the local government to maintain central power left entire country weak to foreign attacks, can't blame anyone but its own stupid government and leadership.
@@GrumblingGrognard supreme blind arrogance coming from a mix of cultural and social factors; the same that made think their tiny industry and population could win a war against the industrial colossus that was the US.
@@GrumblingGrognard IJA/N were arrogant and at the same time possessed by an obsession. They'd believed that they needed the resources of Manchuria to protect Japan's independence, then that they needed to defeat China to secure these resources. Because no one exports peacefully (from their pov)
@@jlvfr think they knew they could never go against America. Their only chance was in their belief Americans were soft, pleasure seeking people who would seek peace after a large attack like Pearl Harbor. If they wanted control of the east, they would need to defeat America, Britain and Australia too but by the end of 1941 that didn't seem too hard. So they took a gamble. It's hard to say but I think the United States would've went to war with Japan eventually. Whether they could get the same support like the galvanizing attack that Pearl Harbor provided is another issue.
American generals in WW2 really embodied the Zapp Branigan mindset. "How did i defeat the murderbots? I sent wave after wave of my own men at them till they hit their preset kill-limit and shut down".
The US submarine campaign crushed the Japanese merchant marine. "The Japanese cargo carrying capacity of 6 million tons at the start of the war was reduced to about 5 million tons by the end of 1943, and to less than 3 million tons by the end of 1944 despite a rigorous ship building program. At war's end in August 1945 Japan had less than 2 million tons of cargo shipping, but only 312,000 tons of it was in condition to haul cargo. Despite ship construction of 3 1/4 million tons during the war, replacement tonnage amounted to only about a third of losses due to all causes. Because of shipping losses, Japanese imports of bulk commodities fell from about 20 million tons in 1941 to about 16 1/2 million tons at the end of 1943, and further to 10 million tons in 1944." U.S. PACIFIC SUBMARINES IN WORLD WAR II, by William P. Gruner
(Yichang is where the Three Gorges Dam is now.) The river WAS very tough terrain, deep into gorges above Yichang. That is as close as I got to Wuhan...
Hey guys! I'm in love with this channel and especially this topic ❤ Thank you for bringing us so much information every week. The only question that I have is how can I find the music you guys use on the videos? I'm deeply interested. Thank you again for dedication
Every single episode in this series has had me absolutely appalled at how little concern most of the Allied commanders had for the welfare of their troops when they ordered countless frontal assaults against heavily defended targets, and the charges against the Jarmin Pass are especially frustrating in this regard. More commanders need to do more than throw men at the problem and hope it eventually works.
Brown had little choice. Air support was nil, artillery was too far from the front, and terrain prevented tactical maneuvers. If anything, the blame should be laid at the feet of the higher-ups who publicly announced that the campaign would only take three days.
@@jayowen7830 Totally agree with you, but honestly, digging in and insisting the troops get properly supplied would have been worth the risk of insubordination. It's especially galling since they couldn't even see the Japanese defenses due to fog.
@@MrGksarathy Perhaps, but if a ship supporting the beachhead had been torpedoed or bombed, and several hundred sailors lost their lives, then the outcome would have been the same. That's why these island battles are often so costly. The Navy depends on the amphibious forces to secure the island as quickly as possible. Digging in and waiting out the Japanese would be fine for the soldiers on land, but those soldiers have to be continuously supplied by ships that are exposed to air raids, submarines, navigational accidents, and the weather.
@@jayowen7830 Fair enough. It still doesn't excuse the countless Allied commanders in the Guadalcanal campaign, CBI theater, and others where all of those were less of an issue.
There possibly would not have been a war. The Japanese only invaded because they knew China was fractured and weak. Otherwise they would have used more diplomatic means to achieve their goals. War is just politics anyways
Beyond what was said, the big problems with the Chinese was training, morale, corruption, cohesion, and infighting. So even if you assume there would be a war, it goes poorly for the Chinese, just not as badly. OTOH that may end up with me not being born in the US and if you assume my personality stays the same I'd be re-educated. So that lack of everything for the Chinese worked out well for me.
The invasion of Attu might be the most useless battle of the war. The island was totally useless. They should have just blockaded the island and let the Japanese defenders starve.
@@rajashashankgutta4334 the British did with the Channel Islands for the sound reason that the islands once cut off from supplies would fall soon enough.
Sounds like Brown got screwed. But being in the dog house for awhile as a US General in WWII was not uncommon. Plenty were recycled back into positions of command, as was Brown. He eventually was given command of the 5th Infantry Div. in the European theater.
Japanese brutality was nothing new, as they had done so in Manchuria in 1931 when WWII actually started. They continued their vile ways in every operation in China, culminating with the rape of Nanking. As for lack of advancing on Attu, where the hell were those 3 Battleships?? Navy failures in amphibious operations were a common issue in WWII. One of the worst was at Guadalcanal. As for Japanese shipping, their Army and Navy insisted on separate supply commands. It was not uncommon for 2 empty ships, (1 army 1 navy) to pass each other at sea. To learn more see my work , (12 years research & writing) FATAL FLAWS Book 1 1914-1945.
@ 3:20 the Chinese 6th "War Area" with 14 Armies is up against a surrounded Japanese 11th "Army" (might be even more lopsided since there are also the 5th and 9th Chinese "War Areas" in front of the same Japanese "Army"). It's hard to believe that such lopsided engagements would even occur without the outnumbered side withdrawing or surrendering let alone plan an offensive. Perhaps a total manpower count showing the actual strength of each unit on the documentary maps can help us understand the situations better (maybe these Chinese Armies are under strength or the WW2 Chinese defined an "Army" and its size differently from the Japanese). It's just hard to imagine 42 Chinese Armies vs 1 Japanese Army actually taking place. I might be wrong though and the Chinese did grind against the Japanese 42 to 1... Just a suggestion, great work with these documentaries I always look forward to them!
When they say a Chinese “army”, it generally meant a corp, usually 3 divisions. On paper each division should be around 9000-10000 men. But each division is probably 5000-8000 or even less in actuality. Corrupt Chinese commanders generally take in the pay for empty rosters. Not to mention in some units, every 3 men might share a single rifle and what weapons/equipment they do have is most likely obsolete and in poor condition. Malnourishment, inferiority in training and doctrine will also guarantee the average Chinese infantryman to be disadvantaged to the average Japanese infantrymen. Piling up the Chinese “armies” was the only sure way to give a fight to the Japanese
I just looked up his service record. Looks like he spent a while in the dog house before bouncing back to complete a distinguished career. Good for him.
I can't comprehend why they'd continue to push for a frontal assault when the previous attempts had failed with absolutely no gain. What a sad loss of life!
I've checked, according to Wikipedia (yeah I know, great source), that the Chinese army only slightly more than doubled the Japanese manpower in this campaign, yet we see imperial divisions taking on entire armies. Was a chinese army smaller in size compared to the japanese, in the same way that Soviet armies on the eastern front were the equivalent of a german corps?
Chinese numbers counted for little. China, at the time, was a third world country with very little industry fighting with third rate equipment while Japan was a superpower with an advanced military. It was just like today when the U.S. invades countries like Iraq, they don’t even stand a chance.
@@firestorm1088 And has been mentioned in this series the Chinese Civil War was essentially still going on so the IJA was basically fighting two main fractured groups that, at best, begrudgingly were willing to work together and often times wouldn't support each other.
I don't mean to discredit Chinese patriotism but it must also be added that some Chinese had a low morale for open combat. Some continued to resist as guerrillas while others simply avoided fighting IJA
3 divisions make up a jun or “army”. But a Chinese division can be anything from 4000 to 10000. The truth is in many divisions had ghost rosters where the books may record a certain number of men but in fact many were empty names so commanders can collect pay for it
I really felt bad for general brown 🤦He gave it all he had but still kinkiad didn't care and general dwight and the rest didn't really like him so meaning they always wanted him to fail and were just looking for something to pin it on
I don't think the present generation knows enough about how wide spread the war was, or its intensity, even though it's known as a world war. These videos are a valuable service, because so many get their information from the Internet now.
THERE WERE NO ENGLISH KNIGHTS IN THE BATTLE OF NICOPOLIS!! There is no shame in making a mistake if you correct the mistake. It would be nice to get an answer from someone from the team of experts regarding the comments on the video about the Battle of Rovine
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10:12, 14:25. Paul Tatsugushi was a Japanese medic. A native of Hiroshima, and a devout Seventh-day Adventist, who had graduated from college and medical schools in California before the war. Loved America, but had to enlist in the IJA in 1941. His diary depicts a side not typically associated with the Japanese soldier of WWII. His diary was eventually recovered by a US soldier named Dick Laird, son of an Appalachian coal miner, who kept in his posession for 40 years, before deciding to track down and hand it back to the authors family members.
Wasn't Desmond Doss also one of those?
@@jonbaxter2254 Indeed 😊
@@wolfu597 Two different people seperated by war... God, we are all so much more similar than we think.
@@Heike-- Tatsugushi's diary describes his war weariness, his longing for home and his family, but he feels that he must still do his duty and serve his country as a devoted and loyal citizen of Empiral Japan.
Many Americans of Japanese heritage who were in Japan were trapped there when the war broke out in December 1941.
But make no mistake here, the war in the Pacific was effectively a race war. The Japanese had been primed with xenophobic anger and hatred towards westerners. They've been taught that they were the master race of Asia. And guess who implented it: Hideki Tojo.
And where did he get his inspiration from: Hitlers Nazi-Germany. Tojos vision of Japan, was that of an Asian Prussia.
@@wolfu597 the Japanese hatred of the west and feelings of superiority did not start with Tojo. They were already hundreds of years old by that time.
9:53 "The plane dropped my report into the sea." Gotta save this one for future use.
Close to "my dog's submarine ate my homework". Equally as effective as the original...meaning of course, ineffective
As usual during the war one leader would do all the heavy lifting only to be replaced by another who would ultimately get all the glory. Brown deserved more credit then he was given.
Thanks Kings and Generals for this episode. I have seen a different takes on the Attu campaign but none were as in depth as this one. So many men were lost on that Island only to be forgotten as the war in the South Pacific got all the attention. You have given the men who fought there on both sides the recognition they deserve.
No artillery, ships pulled out, but hey, why didn't he take the island in three days? End of that career.
Reinforce the Southern Force, which can't advance and loses men in bloody frontal assaults, rather than the Northern and Raider forces, that are advancing successfully? Brown should have told Zimmerman to stop the frontal assaults and switched the reinforcements to the other groups/areas.
If not for this series, I might never have known about these battles in the Aleutians, China and Burma. It's like getting a second college education. Thank you!
My great grandfather had been fighting the Japanese in Hubei during 1943 and 1944. He would perish in June 1944 on a river embankment. Thanks for covering this theatre.
Thanks kings and general, this is why i love the pacific theater, hopefully this episode will continue until occupation of japan 👍
Yet another woderful production by the Kings and Generals channel. As I've stated multiple times before, I am glad that in a year of under-discussed battles, you covered one of the MOST under-discussed engagements of the Second Sino-Japanese War. Aside from the _World War 2_ a year ago, no one else has covered this battle in THIS amount of detail. Even the _World War 2_ channel faltered a bit, since they didn't accurately portray all the Army Groups, Armies and Divisions on the Chinese side, while you guys did. Finding accurate sources of this battle is surprisingly hard, which means that any of my attempts to learn more about it have ended in frustration, since the sources are often incomplete or just poor in quality, so I'm flabbergasted by how well and accurate your video came out.
I'm convinced that infantry division COs had the most unforgiving jobs of all military brass. The men under you are counting on your good judgement to keep them alive, but the men above you expect you to execute their plans to the letter no matter how absurd (i.e. take a heavily fortified island in three days without proper equipment or intelligence), and if the plan goes awry then your career is the first on the chopping block.
yea i thought the same. the amount of dismissed ground forces commanders in these episodes is awful, especially when we can see how they weren’t even at fault most of the time
In regular life, this is parallel to what management above supervisors but below C-suite has to deal with.
Only in war your people die when higher ups don't give you enough support. If you take the initiative to adapt to the situation you may get a medal or end your career. The person replacing you may be worse, so if you care about your men you actually have to make sure you aren't just yanked out of the situation.
Correction: The first thing on the chopping block are your soldiers.
@@korbendallas5318 Soldiers (enlisted men) don't get relieved for operational errors. If you're trying to say that the men on the ground pay the ultimate price for the mistakes of men on top, then that goes without saying. But that wasn't my point. I'm talking about accountability, not sacrifice. Nobody will argue that losing your career is worse than losing your life.
@@redaug4212 Almost sounded like it.
Nice work as usual. I knew there were problems with the Aleutians but didn't know much of the details you covered.
Today I learned about the meteorological term *'williwaw'*
(a sudden violent squall blowing offshore from a mountainous coast.)
Thanks!
I love a lot of what you guys have done. The series on Caesar, Alexander and the Mongols are some of my favourites. But I have to say that this is your best work. Well done and keep it coming.
This battle was also proof that Buckner was unqualified for his next command, Okinawa. His battle plans and execution were terrible, causing ghastly casualties to our troops.
The PBY carrying the reports accidentally dropped them into the sea.
The pilot: "Oops, now, what should I tell them?"
That was my second question. The first was how do you accidentally drop a report in the sea from an air craft.
@@rebeccaorman1823 Instead of landing the PBY might have been trying to drop the reports out of the side of the craft onto one of the allied ships and bungled the drop.
@@jcohasset23 that doesn't make sense. Not only would it be easier to land but they dropped the report by accident. If they were trying to drop it to ships and missed the report wouldn't have been accidentally dropped.
"Well, Bags, I'd tell them..."
@@rebeccaorman1823 I have no idea. I'm just theorizing because it really doesn't make sense how the reports could be accidentally dropped into the ocean.
Brilliant video as usual. The overall situation seen from a bird's-eye view, the struggle of the Allies against nature and enemies, and the slaughter of civilians by the Japanese are fully depicted. Thank you K&G!
I wait in anticipation for these videos and the podcast too, they make my day every time. Best history documentary by far
I keep shaking my head at Rockwell's repeated assault at the Jarmin Pass, like, haven't he learned a thing? I'm not an expert and certainly can't do even half of what he did but, come on. His men were dying en masse there.
I don't think he even had mortars and as you see the higher ranking officers had absolutely no appreciation for why the time linen wasn't being followed.
IIRC he lost his artillery early.
But you flank them not frontal charges like the civil war
The poor chinese troops had a really bad deal thrown at them. Poorlty trained, poorly equiped _and_ poorly led, had to face elite troops...
True, but I do not see how anyone in the Japanese military could have thought their small force on the mainland could ever peacefully occupy such a large nation.
Dynasty of old took all the resources from the local government to maintain central power left entire country weak to foreign attacks, can't blame anyone but its own stupid government and leadership.
@@GrumblingGrognard supreme blind arrogance coming from a mix of cultural and social factors; the same that made think their tiny industry and population could win a war against the industrial colossus that was the US.
@@GrumblingGrognard IJA/N were arrogant and at the same time possessed by an obsession. They'd believed that they needed the resources of Manchuria to protect Japan's independence, then that they needed to defeat China to secure these resources. Because no one exports peacefully (from their pov)
@@jlvfr think they knew they could never go against America. Their only chance was in their belief Americans were soft, pleasure seeking people who would seek peace after a large attack like Pearl Harbor.
If they wanted control of the east, they would need to defeat America, Britain and Australia too but by the end of 1941 that didn't seem too hard. So they took a gamble.
It's hard to say but I think the United States would've went to war with Japan eventually. Whether they could get the same support like the galvanizing attack that Pearl Harbor provided is another issue.
Great work. Always enjoy your videos.
What a terrific series!
Thank you , K&G .
🐺
5:16 Dong Dongting Lake, I guess it's East of Dongtong Lake
American generals in WW2 really embodied the Zapp Branigan mindset. "How did i defeat the murderbots? I sent wave after wave of my own men at them till they hit their preset kill-limit and shut down".
Had this quote in my head for years. Kept thinking back to it to describe US WW2 performance; finally someone wrote it out for me 🙏
Funny that you mention it considering that rings more to the stereotypical soviet commissars sending waves of peasants
wow. well done. tense battle. had my attention 100%
This makes my week. So well done.
Banger as always, keep up the good work lads
History lesson: Never plan on a 3 day campaign for victory!
I always learn new things from your channel thank you 👍🏻 keep up the great work
Excellent stuff about battles I knew little about!
Great coverage of the campaign.
Ive been enjoying your great content
You do great work
Thanks!
First time viewer...your graphics are awesome..really gives one a sense of the geography. Also, the effort at pronunciation is excellent.
Fantastic video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁
The US submarine campaign crushed the Japanese merchant marine. "The Japanese cargo carrying capacity of 6 million tons at the start of the war was reduced to about 5 million tons by the end of 1943, and to less than 3 million tons by the end of 1944 despite a rigorous ship building program. At war's end in August 1945 Japan had less than 2 million tons of cargo shipping, but only 312,000 tons of it was in condition to haul cargo. Despite ship construction of 3 1/4 million tons during the war, replacement tonnage amounted to only about a third of losses due to all causes. Because of shipping losses, Japanese imports of bulk commodities fell from about 20 million tons in 1941 to about 16 1/2 million tons at the end of 1943, and further to 10 million tons in 1944." U.S. PACIFIC SUBMARINES IN WORLD WAR II, by William P. Gruner
16:52: I've never seen the ">>" Unit Size Symbol before, is it explicitly for patrols? I can't find information on it anywhere.
Love the series! FYI, there’s a frame of missing media around the 24second mark
(Yichang is where the Three Gorges Dam is now.) The river WAS very tough terrain, deep into gorges above Yichang. That is as close as I got to Wuhan...
Hey guys! I'm in love with this channel and especially this topic ❤ Thank you for bringing us so much information every week. The only question that I have is how can I find the music you guys use on the videos? I'm deeply interested. Thank you again for dedication
nice work!
Thanks for the video
0:33 Media offline :)
I also went frame by frame to look for that message
Every single episode in this series has had me absolutely appalled at how little concern most of the Allied commanders had for the welfare of their troops when they ordered countless frontal assaults against heavily defended targets, and the charges against the Jarmin Pass are especially frustrating in this regard. More commanders need to do more than throw men at the problem and hope it eventually works.
Brown had little choice. Air support was nil, artillery was too far from the front, and terrain prevented tactical maneuvers. If anything, the blame should be laid at the feet of the higher-ups who publicly announced that the campaign would only take three days.
@@jayowen7830 Totally agree with you, but honestly, digging in and insisting the troops get properly supplied would have been worth the risk of insubordination.
It's especially galling since they couldn't even see the Japanese defenses due to fog.
@@MrGksarathy Perhaps, but if a ship supporting the beachhead had been torpedoed or bombed, and several hundred sailors lost their lives, then the outcome would have been the same.
That's why these island battles are often so costly. The Navy depends on the amphibious forces to secure the island as quickly as possible. Digging in and waiting out the Japanese would be fine for the soldiers on land, but those soldiers have to be continuously supplied by ships that are exposed to air raids, submarines, navigational accidents, and the weather.
@@jayowen7830 Fair enough. It still doesn't excuse the countless Allied commanders in the Guadalcanal campaign, CBI theater, and others where all of those were less of an issue.
Hindsight is 20/20.
I always wonder what the second sino-japanese war would've been like if the chinese industrialized and had a decent navy and airforce
Or if the entire Chinese army was trained by German officers
There possibly would not have been a war.
The Japanese only invaded because they knew China was fractured and weak. Otherwise they would have used more diplomatic means to achieve their goals. War is just politics anyways
Retain the Qing or declare a modern Han Chinese Empire and govern it in a regency into a stable and capable constitutional monarchy to begin with?
Beyond what was said, the big problems with the Chinese was training, morale, corruption, cohesion, and infighting.
So even if you assume there would be a war, it goes poorly for the Chinese, just not as badly.
OTOH that may end up with me not being born in the US and if you assume my personality stays the same I'd be re-educated. So that lack of everything for the Chinese worked out well for me.
Hola, gran canal. ¿Hablarán de la operación Starvation y su efecto para Japón a fines de la guerra?. Muchas gracias
Not sure yet
epic series!
My Great-grandfather was serving in the 18th Army :) 1 of 5 elite armies in China at that time.
Parece que alguém sacaneou Brown. A não entrega do relatório foi a gota d’água que os superiores estavam esperando.
TIL "williwaw". Neat word.
The invasion of Attu might be the most useless battle of the war. The island was totally useless. They should have just blockaded the island and let the Japanese defenders starve.
they were core/integrated American land , hence American mainland itself was invaded. total propaganda/morale motive
Optics are important. You can't let your own territory stay under foreign occupation, do you?
@@rajashashankgutta4334 Nobody should give a shit about a barren rock in the middle of nowhere
But Attu is America! Americans cant just wait for an enemy occupier to die on American land.
@@rajashashankgutta4334 the British did with the Channel Islands for the sound reason that the islands once cut off from supplies would fall soon enough.
I bet the Attuu fighters felt let down, nobody really cared about their campaign despite it happening on US soil.
Sounds like Brown got screwed. But being in the dog house for awhile as a US General in WWII was not uncommon. Plenty were recycled back into positions of command, as was Brown. He eventually was given command of the 5th Infantry Div. in the European theater.
0:33 Media Offline image, that was odd to see.
Encoding failure
Good work. Would you tell us what software you use?
Nice video
Japanese brutality was nothing new, as they had done so in Manchuria in 1931 when WWII actually started. They continued their vile ways in every operation in China, culminating with the rape of Nanking. As for lack of advancing on Attu, where the hell were those 3 Battleships?? Navy failures in amphibious operations were a common issue in WWII. One of the worst was at Guadalcanal. As for Japanese shipping, their Army and Navy insisted on separate supply commands. It was not uncommon for 2 empty ships, (1 army 1 navy) to pass each other at sea.
To learn more see my work , (12 years research & writing) FATAL FLAWS Book 1 1914-1945.
The SNAFU of defective torpedoes need some indepth study
th-cam.com/video/JEu5xqA1TvE/w-d-xo.html A very full explanation.
Huarong, Nan, the Yangtze… has the K&G team used to cover this area in an ancient battle a long time ago?
Welcome videos on WW2 in China as there’s very little English language videos on that front of the war.
what about that frame on 0:33 lol
@ 3:20 the Chinese 6th "War Area" with 14 Armies is up against a surrounded Japanese 11th "Army" (might be even more lopsided since there are also the 5th and 9th Chinese "War Areas" in front of the same Japanese "Army"). It's hard to believe that such lopsided engagements would even occur without the outnumbered side withdrawing or surrendering let alone plan an offensive. Perhaps a total manpower count showing the actual strength of each unit on the documentary maps can help us understand the situations better (maybe these Chinese Armies are under strength or the WW2 Chinese defined an "Army" and its size differently from the Japanese). It's just hard to imagine 42 Chinese Armies vs 1 Japanese Army actually taking place. I might be wrong though and the Chinese did grind against the Japanese 42 to 1... Just a suggestion, great work with these documentaries I always look forward to them!
When they say a Chinese “army”, it generally meant a corp, usually 3 divisions. On paper each division should be around 9000-10000 men. But each division is probably 5000-8000 or even less in actuality. Corrupt Chinese commanders generally take in the pay for empty rosters. Not to mention in some units, every 3 men might share a single rifle and what weapons/equipment they do have is most likely obsolete and in poor condition. Malnourishment, inferiority in training and doctrine will also guarantee the average Chinese infantryman to be disadvantaged to the average Japanese infantrymen. Piling up the Chinese “armies” was the only sure way to give a fight to the Japanese
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What finally happened to Maj Gen Brown? It sounds like he got totally screwed over. And what about Kinkaid? He sounds like a right proper tool.
I just looked up his service record. Looks like he spent a while in the dog house before bouncing back to complete a distinguished career. Good for him.
This is cool
I can't comprehend why they'd continue to push for a frontal assault when the previous attempts had failed with absolutely no gain. What a sad loss of life!
I hope we get a full special on the ear in China
I've checked, according to Wikipedia (yeah I know, great source), that the Chinese army only slightly more than doubled the Japanese manpower in this campaign, yet we see imperial divisions taking on entire armies. Was a chinese army smaller in size compared to the japanese, in the same way that Soviet armies on the eastern front were the equivalent of a german corps?
Chinese numbers counted for little. China, at the time, was a third world country with very little industry fighting with third rate equipment while Japan was a superpower with an advanced military. It was just like today when the U.S. invades countries like Iraq, they don’t even stand a chance.
@@firestorm1088 And has been mentioned in this series the Chinese Civil War was essentially still going on so the IJA was basically fighting two main fractured groups that, at best, begrudgingly were willing to work together and often times wouldn't support each other.
I don't mean to discredit Chinese patriotism but it must also be added that some Chinese had a low morale for open combat. Some continued to resist as guerrillas while others simply avoided fighting IJA
3 divisions make up a jun or “army”. But a Chinese division can be anything from 4000 to 10000. The truth is in many divisions had ghost rosters where the books may record a certain number of men but in fact many were empty names so commanders can collect pay for it
Yo WWII was fucken wild
am I the only one surprised at the hidden red screen message in the beginning ? that says media offline in different languages
It is a simple encoding failure. Nothing "secret" about it.
@@KingsandGenerals well it doesn't show long so seems secret even if it isn't ;)
@@KingsandGenerals oh and thanks for even taking the time to reply.
Hope you make vid on Burma in aftermath of Arakan campaign and beginning of Great Bengal Famine in India by British authorities
I really felt bad for general brown
🤦He gave it all he had but still kinkiad didn't care and general dwight and the rest didn't really like him so meaning they always wanted him to fail and were just looking for something to pin it on
When they say "fog of war", I dont think they meant a literal blanket of constant fog like at Attu 😅
You keep forgetting how much offensive power the Japanese still had, even if it was waning.
I don't think the present generation knows enough about how wide spread the war was, or its intensity, even though it's known as a world war. These videos are a valuable service, because so many get their information from the Internet now.
Haha loved how the date was making me believe this is about today's offensive started in Ukraine then I realised the year
Thank you for explaining why the Japanese kept destroying the Chinese forces.On paper it seems like a fair fight. I guess paper don't fight.
What a miserable place to have to fight!
Dude the memebership is very cheap, and you get lots of penfits from it. It's the price of a cola can. 😅
In which country do you live kings and generals
Canada
@@KingsandGenerals As a Canadian, it was very interesting to me that you know so much about Turkish history. Are you a historian?
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sacrifice for the algorithm!
THERE WERE NO ENGLISH KNIGHTS IN THE BATTLE OF NICOPOLIS!!
There is no shame in making a mistake if you correct the mistake. It would be nice to get an answer from someone from the team of experts regarding the comments on the video about the Battle of Rovine
so the PBY accidentally dropped documents in the sea? what xD?
The Chinese as usual suffered the main brunt of Imperial Japanese Army ruthless brutality.
I feel bad for Brown; he was screwed over by his superiors for doing his job
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oopsie at 00:33
A place called "Massacre Valley" is a bad place to get pinned down.
Crime alley situation
Japanese were pretty succesful in their army tactics and invasion..
They should have focused on china more and islands less
Polite Request for lower volume morse code - that sucked for some reason.
"No one ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack attack and attack some more"
-Gen. George Patton
Thanks kings and generals for your amazing content I have a question can I use your videos and turn them into my native language?
Hehe . . . Go on China!!
At 0:33 It says Media online. Nothing of importance. Carry on.
This is just a comment to help fool the TH-cam algorithm.
Hi bro plz next video Russian empire attack to central asia
It's just so insane to many how few troops Japan was conquering China, of all places, with. Just wild.
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What if USA joined axis?