Thanks for the great video. Took our Wolf Pup out for first trip boondocking. Tank indicator said it was full when we left but when we arrived at the camp site, only had 1/3 tank of water. Interesting that Cherokee would skimp on a $15 piece of tubing. Guess they thought we wouldn't notice.
i freaked out the first time i filled my 2021 Wolf PuP BHS16 and water came pouring out. Found your video a few minutes after we set up our site., Just finished installing the hose,and it was really simple. Thanks for posting this ,and helping out other FR owners add the hose the factory forgot.
Thanks Nick. Yes - exactly the same issue we had with our Wolf Pup. Before the modification, the fresh water tank would start spilling out at around 17 gallons. After the mod, we got 23 gallons or about a 35% increase. Only reason I think we didn't hit 26 gallons is that the water fill station we were at was not level. Another nice thing about the mod is that you can hear the water come up through the fill tube when it gets full so you can shut off the hose before it spills out.
I've had my Grey Wolf for 3 years and this is the first video I've come across explaining and illustrating this issue so well... so thank you. The only thing I'd mention is, during the sanitation process, make sure you fill the freshwater tank until it comes out the vent port so you make sure that new tube gets sanitized as well. Keep up the great work with these videos.
Got this camper brand new 4 years ago and couldn't figure out why we kept losing water last year. They literally had tape covering it 🤦♀️ thank you for posting this video!!!
Thanks for the tip on this. DId it to my 2022 16FQ today. Can't believe they do this. I figured their cost savings at maybe $25 parts and labor. Probably not that much if done at the same time they are doing the water pump install.
We have the exact same issue. With the exact same camper. Can’t wait to fix this! Thanks so much for this very needed video. Please keep making videos!
Thanks that was a great help. They didn't connect mine either and then the little fitting behind the screen, they managed to fill with silicone so I had to dig that out what a pain
Dude!! So glad i found your site. I have the same wolf pup model and always wondered why this fitting was left to just dump water on the ground. Thank you.
Great video. I just ran into this this passed weekend on our first trip and wondered how we went through 26 gallons of water so fast. Thanks for all the videos, super helpful.
Yep. I just bought a 2018 Wolf Pup 18TO. I was sanitizing the system and freaked out because it was gushing from below. I thought it was cracked, but it was just missing the hose!
You'll get a kick out of this. Our Wolf Pup has the same issue, however, some goober at the plant decided to silicon seal the vent from the inside. Had to clean that out first.
Really, you are a wonderful person. This was a problem that bothers me because the water comes out a lot. I wish you could translate your clips into Arabic for the large number of Arab fans.
You are a Bad Ass man; I don't own a Wolfpup yet own a Forest River TT, I like watching your segments. My wife loves the Black Stone griddle setup on your walk-through video; nope not me she is into it lol we are rvilla.travels.
Another great video, thanks for taking the time to setup your camera to get good video under and around your rig. I was sort of surprised to see that the mfg just leaves the Flojet pump hanging loose in the compartment. It seems that travel would be bouncing it around quite a bit and I'd worry about the connections coming loose? Maybe batten it down with a little metal strap?
I have the 16he and yes it has the same issue. I'd fill my tank, water would flow out elbow and I assumed it was full. I also lost a couple gallons in transit. It read full when we pulled out and 2/3 when we got there. We just got it and this was our first trip so I capped it and left the inlet cover loose to vent it. Did the job but now you just saved me a bunch of research and I'm gonna do the same set up as you. I already have everything I need. Thanks. How do you like your camper so far? We have been on one trip and were really happy. I will add battery capacity and an aditional tank because we like to boondock. I have a new propane generator to back us up too. Good video, thanks again.
Great video and explanation! Thank you! I'm in the middle of a similar project in my Grand Design 260RD. The water tank is very similar to yours, but the air vent is designed to pour out on the ground when the water level gets up to it (no tube run to a screened outlet). I'm only getting 30 gallons out of my 55 gallon tank! I've added three angle iron pieces under the tank to deal with the bowing and repositioned the water service inlet/outlet to where the dump valve is (via a PVC T-connector and other parts) and am now up to about 43 gallons of usable water. The third part of this project is setting up the air vent like it is in your camper. I've been playing with different setups but it isn't working properly. The tank will fill completely but the air vent can't clear when drawing water down so negative pressure builds up and the tank starts to collapse. How does the water clear from the loop in the air vent hose??
Not sure if anyone else ran in to this but my vent connection behind the screen was actually plugged with a sealant that was not super apperent. I popped the exterior screen and pushed the sealant through the connection. I've got a 2021 16bhs.
This is not just the Wolf Pup. I have the same problem with my Grey Wolf and until now had no idea why my fresh water tank would leak half of its fill on the way to boondocking.
what if u just put a valve on the end of the hose that the elbow is connected to and just close the valve when water starts coming out then when u get to your camping spot open the valve
They do that so you’ll bring it back to charge you !! Like Chevy pulling out rear wheel liners so you will come buy them we’re in a time when dealers are extra dirty right now
I noticed it as well and even brought it up to my dealer when it was in for warranty work, they called Forest River and Forest River said they don’t put those on and if I wanted one, I would have to pay for it. Ridiculous.
I have owned a Wolf Pup 16 FQ for 5 years and always knew it was a sham that the vent wasn’t connected but never thought i wasn’t getting a full tank. Always seemed to be short and running out of water way to soon. Onward to another Forest River F up that these sorry sob’s get away with.
Question. Hydroshock. When you fill your tank plumb full, with no air, then you can have hydroshock. When you hit a bump large enough the water would have normally sloshed, and the air bubble in the top of the tank would absorb the compression. With no air bubble, this slosh turns into hydroshock. Therefore, when it would have sloshed, it explodes and the tank rips apart at the seams. So moral of the story, they now plug that port so people stopped overfilling their tank and causing warrentee claims. So if you do this, please do not fill your tank completely full.
I have never used my fresh water tank always have used city water. But yesterday when I connected my water hose to the for the first time this spring water began to run out of the little vent screen beside the city water connection. I checked and found that the fresh tank is full and I do have a vent hose attached that I assume must have been done at the factory. Do you know of any way the fresh tank could get filled by the city water connection? I bought the Wolf Pup brand new no one has ever worked on the water system I know for sure I have never filled the fresh tank.
Yeah, that’s usually a case of the check valve in the pump head stuck open and feeding back into your tank. Try running the pump and seeing if it clears any debris out. Or you might have to take it apart/or replace.
Hello I recently purchased a 2016 Wolfpuff 16 F Q underneath the trailer there is a slightly larger diameter hose that looks like an accordion that water goes through and it actually runs up over the frame and the belly of the camper has pressed that hose down flat! I cannot lift the belly up to release the pressure or to get a hose out to replace it only for it to do the same thing. There is also pinhole leaks when I fill the water tank? Can you please advise on what I could possibly do to make it repair. Again the hose is like the sewer hose I believe it’s a water fill hose. Thank you in advance
Is the hose white? That very well may be your fresh water tank fill hose. You might need to take it to a shop to see if there might be a way of lifting it to free the hose.
@@TheRVPastime yeah OK I ain’t taking nothing to no shop ha ha ha I just got it set up on Jacks and everything I’m going to be living in it and I have shore power and shore water coming in directly , so if I ever tow it again I’ll cross that bridge then I suppose the hose can be cut and replaced and strapped underneath frame instead of over the top of the frame also it is a white hose that fills the tank. 😎
Hey, thanks for the video. I'm in the middle of getting a custom tank made up and the inlet connection needs to be around 50mm below the top of the tank, are you saying this will allow me to fill it above the height of the inlet? Should the tank have an additional hole for the air tube, or you can just use the same connection that the water enters the tank through? From what I can see, the connection you have at the top that you attached the hose to, is only to allow water to spill out, but not for filling?
Correct, the elbow I attached the hose too is just for air/venting, however, overflow would come out of either the fill hose or the vent tube, or both frankly. As for filling, it just depends on where your fill connection and vent connection is. In my case, the vent connection is juuuuust above the fill connection.
@@TheRVPastime cool thanks a lot, I might have to look at getting a separate breather connection so as I'm not sure how it is meant to work if the filler is also meant to act as the breather! Waiting on a response from the tank maker so I'm sure they'll be able to advise me too :)
Thanks Nick. Can you tell me where to find the fresh water hoses? Are they under the bed or under the sink? We have a Forest River 16FQ (2021). Where were your hoses located? Thanks for this vid.
On my unit they are under the bed on the left side of the trailer which is where I “think” those connections are on similar units. Should be where your pump and water heater are too.
In my old camper, when I over-filled the tank, water would spurt out through the little overflow hole near the upper water fill input area. In my 2020 WolfPup 16FQ, the water overflows at the bottom, near the fresh water tank (which concerns me--I don't want to ruin my tank). Shouldn't it come out near the top hole that you showed? Could mine be blocked? Thanks
For anyone that finds this and seals it back up with this sealer, whatever you do, WEAR GLOVES. This stuff is incredibly sticky and ultra hard to get off your skin if it gets on there. Pretty simple, my upper vent hole was filled with silicone that had to be removed before it could be installed.
Isn't this ridiculous. We have a Montana 5th wheel that up thru 2021 they had a vent hole. In the 2022 they don't even have a vent hole, just the elbow out of the tank. We can fill it 2/3 full and by the time we drive less than 1/4 mile to our campsite we lose most of the water. An 87 gallon tank that is worthless. We figure we need to connect a hose to the elbow and find somewhere that we can run it to with either a vent on it or a valve that we close only when driving.
This blows my mind. Bought a 2022 Wolf pup and same problem. I lose 1/2 my water by the time I get where I need to go. Makes me think they don't want the tanks completely full.
@@stephenjstoddard I think it is just another cost cutting measure. We have had campers for 20 plus years that we filled the tank at home every trip. We camp a lot and drive 250 miles for a weekend. Never had a problem. If they don’t want you to fill or it is impossible to, they should advertise capacity at 2/3 of actual tank. We have been able to stick a plug in ours when driving, but have to get down under camper. Considering rigging up something with easier access with a valve.
Hey brother! North county san diegan here with a new wolf pup being pulled by my Tacoma also! Haha Do you have a Instagram page or anything where I can get a hold you? Got some questions!
I truly believe its forest river is lazy and poor QC,It's not the wolf pup idk about other manufacturers but I purchases a hemisphere hyper late 34 ft bunkhouse and none on the water fittings were tight there was a leak and my entire underbelly filled with water . Let's just say that the "repair" their entire underbelly winter pack was compromised and near worthless now
They did it because these were all Covid builds and done half assed. There are tons of things like this that I have had to "complete" or "fix" in our 2021 16BHS too. Poor QC.
Explains all the confusion I had with my first fresh water tank filling experience. Huge thanks!
Thanks for the great video. Took our Wolf Pup out for first trip boondocking. Tank indicator said it was full when we left but when we arrived at the camp site, only had 1/3 tank of water. Interesting that Cherokee would skimp on a $15 piece of tubing. Guess they thought we wouldn't notice.
i freaked out the first time i filled my 2021 Wolf PuP BHS16 and water came pouring out. Found your video a few minutes after we set up our site., Just finished installing the hose,and it was really simple. Thanks for posting this ,and helping out other FR owners add the hose the factory forgot.
Thanks Nick. Yes - exactly the same issue we had with our Wolf Pup. Before the modification, the fresh water tank would start spilling out at around 17 gallons. After the mod, we got 23 gallons or about a 35% increase. Only reason I think we didn't hit 26 gallons is that the water fill station we were at was not level. Another nice thing about the mod is that you can hear the water come up through the fill tube when it gets full so you can shut off the hose before it spills out.
I've had my Grey Wolf for 3 years and this is the first video I've come across explaining and illustrating this issue so well... so thank you. The only thing I'd mention is, during the sanitation process, make sure you fill the freshwater tank until it comes out the vent port so you make sure that new tube gets sanitized as well. Keep up the great work with these videos.
I’m not sure there’s a benefit for that tube to be sanitized since it’s really just meant for air.
@@TheRVPastime I've seen people fill their freshwater tank until water comes out the vent. That's how they know it's full.
Got this camper brand new 4 years ago and couldn't figure out why we kept losing water last year. They literally had tape covering it 🤦♀️ thank you for posting this video!!!
Perfect Nick! My first trailer, I thought it was odd to have the fresh water spilling out that way when filling. Thanks so much!
We just bought a used 2022 Wolf Pup BHSBL. This is an awesome video and I’m so glad you took the time to make this. Much appreciated!
Awesome! Thank you- not only was I not getting the tank filled I was losing a ton of water if I filled before we got to our destination!!!
Thanks for the tip on this. DId it to my 2022 16FQ today. Can't believe they do this. I figured their cost savings at maybe $25 parts and labor. Probably not that much if done at the same time they are doing the water pump install.
Same issue with a Wildwood camper trailer. It has been siphoning down below half our whole trip. Thanks!!
We have the exact same issue. With the exact same camper. Can’t wait to fix this! Thanks so much for this very needed video. Please keep making videos!
I’m getting our Wolf pup this weekend. I will check this out for sure, thank you!
Got that hose installed today! Excited to see how it works here soon!
Thanks that was a great help. They didn't connect mine either and then the little fitting behind the screen, they managed to fill with silicone so I had to dig that out what a pain
Love your videos. Great delivery. I’m looking at getting a 14cc.
I picked up my 14cc two weeks ago. The hose was not connected ! Thank you!
Dude!! So glad i found your site. I have the same wolf pup model and always wondered why this fitting was left to just dump water on the ground. Thank you.
I'll fix mine this weekend. Thanks. I have a 17JGBL
This explains SO MUCH. Thank you!
Great video. I just ran into this this passed weekend on our first trip and wondered how we went through 26 gallons of water so fast. Thanks for all the videos, super helpful.
Yep. I just bought a 2018 Wolf Pup 18TO. I was sanitizing the system and freaked out because it was gushing from below. I thought it was cracked, but it was just missing the hose!
You'll get a kick out of this. Our Wolf Pup has the same issue, however, some goober at the plant decided to silicon seal the vent from the inside. Had to clean that out first.
Great video, clear and to the point, with great visuals and explanation. I have the same issue with my 2020 Grey Wolf 22MKSE. Thanks for sharing!
Really, you are a wonderful person. This was a problem that bothers me because the water comes out a lot. I wish you could translate your clips into Arabic for the large number of Arab fans.
My was clog or doesn’t have one (StarCraft) , I did have overflow and was water at the trailer floor close to the pump. A messy day.
You are a Bad Ass man; I don't own a Wolfpup yet own a Forest River TT, I like watching your segments. My wife loves the Black Stone griddle setup on your walk-through video; nope not me she is into it lol we are rvilla.travels.
Thank you for this video.👍
Another great video, thanks for taking the time to setup your camera to get good video under and around your rig. I was sort of surprised to see that the mfg just leaves the Flojet pump hanging loose in the compartment. It seems that travel would be bouncing it around quite a bit and I'd worry about the connections coming loose? Maybe batten it down with a little metal strap?
The pump is actually screwed down with some rubber washers between. So it’s pretty secure :)
I have the 16he and yes it has the same issue. I'd fill my tank, water would flow out elbow and I assumed it was full. I also lost a couple gallons in transit. It read full when we pulled out and 2/3 when we got there. We just got it and this was our first trip so I capped it and left the inlet cover loose to vent it. Did the job but now you just saved me a bunch of research and I'm gonna do the same set up as you. I already have everything I need. Thanks. How do you like your camper so far? We have been on one trip and were really happy. I will add battery capacity and an aditional tank because we like to boondock. I have a new propane generator to back us up too. Good video, thanks again.
I’m doing this today. Genius.
Done!
Awesome! Glad it worked out.
Great video and explanation! Thank you!
I'm in the middle of a similar project in my Grand Design 260RD. The water tank is very similar to yours, but the air vent is designed to pour out on the ground when the water level gets up to it (no tube run to a screened outlet). I'm only getting 30 gallons out of my 55 gallon tank! I've added three angle iron pieces under the tank to deal with the bowing and repositioned the water service inlet/outlet to where the dump valve is (via a PVC T-connector and other parts) and am now up to about 43 gallons of usable water. The third part of this project is setting up the air vent like it is in your camper. I've been playing with different setups but it isn't working properly. The tank will fill completely but the air vent can't clear when drawing water down so negative pressure builds up and the tank starts to collapse. How does the water clear from the loop in the air vent hose??
Might just depend on how the run is. I don’t have that issue with mine. Of water ends up in there it just drains down as water leaves the tank
Not sure if anyone else ran in to this but my vent connection behind the screen was actually plugged with a sealant that was not super apperent. I popped the exterior screen and pushed the sealant through the connection. I've got a 2021 16bhs.
Yeah, I failed to mention that in the actual video but put it in the description. Glad you found it.
You'd think the designers would have thought of this after so many years of manufacturing RVs.
I am buying my new one next week...can't wait to see if it is missing this piece! It obviously missed the assembly line!
Unfortunately it’s a choice by the manufacturer to not install it so don’t get your hopes up! Haha.
I don't think it's missed. It seems to be every unit.
@@TheRVPastime I bought a 2022 Wolf Pup 18RJB (toy hauler) same problem. Really strange they do this. Make no sense.
This is not just the Wolf Pup. I have the same problem with my Grey Wolf and until now had no idea why my fresh water tank would leak half of its fill on the way to boondocking.
I can confirm my cherokee is the same.
Thanks for the video! What size tubing did you use?
what if u just put a valve on the end of the hose that the elbow is connected to and just close the valve when water starts coming out then when u get to your camping spot open the valve
seems like they left all the hoses off,i have a 2022 wolfpup,doing the same thing.guess i will install a hose.
They do that so you’ll bring it back to charge you !! Like Chevy pulling out rear wheel liners so you will come buy them we’re in a time when dealers are extra dirty right now
I noticed it as well and even brought it up to my dealer when it was in for warranty work, they called Forest River and Forest River said they don’t put those on and if I wanted one, I would have to pay for it. Ridiculous.
I have owned a Wolf Pup 16 FQ for 5 years and always knew it was a sham that the vent wasn’t connected but never thought i wasn’t getting a full tank. Always seemed to be short and running out of water way to soon.
Onward to another Forest River F up that these sorry sob’s get away with.
Question. Hydroshock. When you fill your tank plumb full, with no air, then you can have hydroshock.
When you hit a bump large enough the water would have normally sloshed, and the air bubble in the top of the tank would absorb the compression.
With no air bubble, this slosh turns into hydroshock. Therefore, when it would have sloshed, it explodes and the tank rips apart at the seams.
So moral of the story, they now plug that port so people stopped overfilling their tank and causing warrentee claims. So if you do this, please do not fill your tank completely full.
Thanks
I have never used my fresh water tank always have used city water. But yesterday when I connected my water hose to the for the first time this spring water began to run out of the little vent screen beside the city water connection. I checked and found that the fresh tank is full and I do have a vent hose attached that I assume must have been done at the factory. Do you know of any way the fresh tank could get filled by the city water connection? I bought the Wolf Pup brand new no one has ever worked on the water system I know for sure I have never filled the fresh tank.
Yeah, that’s usually a case of the check valve in the pump head stuck open and feeding back into your tank. Try running the pump and seeing if it clears any debris out. Or you might have to take it apart/or replace.
Hello I recently purchased a 2016 Wolfpuff 16 F Q underneath the trailer there is a slightly larger diameter hose that looks like an accordion that water goes through and it actually runs up over the frame and the belly of the camper has pressed that hose down flat! I cannot lift the belly up to release the pressure or to get a hose out to replace it only for it to do the same thing. There is also pinhole leaks when I fill the water tank? Can you please advise on what I could possibly do to make it repair. Again the hose is like the sewer hose I believe it’s a water fill hose. Thank you in advance
Is the hose white? That very well may be your fresh water tank fill hose. You might need to take it to a shop to see if there might be a way of lifting it to free the hose.
@@TheRVPastime yeah OK I ain’t taking nothing to no shop ha ha ha I just got it set up on Jacks and everything I’m going to be living in it and I have shore power and shore water coming in directly , so if I ever tow it again I’ll cross that bridge then I suppose the hose can be cut and replaced and strapped underneath frame instead of over the top of the frame also it is a white hose that fills the tank. 😎
Appreciate your videos! Are you still running one battery?
with your new added vent line going down and then back up, will that act as a p-trap when you fill the tank, or will air still push out?
It went straight up from the tank up to the vent port
Hey, thanks for the video. I'm in the middle of getting a custom tank made up and the inlet connection needs to be around 50mm below the top of the tank, are you saying this will allow me to fill it above the height of the inlet? Should the tank have an additional hole for the air tube, or you can just use the same connection that the water enters the tank through? From what I can see, the connection you have at the top that you attached the hose to, is only to allow water to spill out, but not for filling?
Correct, the elbow I attached the hose too is just for air/venting, however, overflow would come out of either the fill hose or the vent tube, or both frankly. As for filling, it just depends on where your fill connection and vent connection is. In my case, the vent connection is juuuuust above the fill connection.
@@TheRVPastime cool thanks a lot, I might have to look at getting a separate breather connection so as I'm not sure how it is meant to work if the filler is also meant to act as the breather! Waiting on a response from the tank maker so I'm sure they'll be able to advise me too :)
Thanks Nick. Can you tell me where to find the fresh water hoses? Are they under the bed or under the sink? We have a Forest River 16FQ (2021). Where were your hoses located? Thanks for this vid.
On my unit they are under the bed on the left side of the trailer which is where I “think” those connections are on similar units. Should be where your pump and water heater are too.
In my old camper, when I over-filled the tank, water would spurt out through the little overflow hole near the upper water fill input area. In my 2020 WolfPup 16FQ, the water overflows at the bottom, near the fresh water tank (which concerns me--I don't want to ruin my tank). Shouldn't it come out near the top hole that you showed? Could mine be blocked? Thanks
Did you install this hose that I show in the video? Otherwise it’s probably coming out of the elbow that I point out.
For anyone that finds this and seals it back up with this sealer, whatever you do, WEAR GLOVES. This stuff is incredibly sticky and ultra hard to get off your skin if it gets on there.
Pretty simple, my upper vent hole was filled with silicone that had to be removed before it could be installed.
My bhs (2021) came with it installed... weird
Isn't this ridiculous. We have a Montana 5th wheel that up thru 2021 they had a vent hole. In the 2022 they don't even have a vent hole, just the elbow out of the tank. We can fill it 2/3 full and by the time we drive less than 1/4 mile to our campsite we lose most of the water. An 87 gallon tank that is worthless. We figure we need to connect a hose to the elbow and find somewhere that we can run it to with either a vent on it or a valve that we close only when driving.
This blows my mind. Bought a 2022 Wolf pup and same problem. I lose 1/2 my water by the time I get where I need to go. Makes me think they don't want the tanks completely full.
@@stephenjstoddard I think it is just another cost cutting measure. We have had campers for 20 plus years that we filled the tank at home every trip. We camp a lot and drive 250 miles for a weekend. Never had a problem. If they don’t want you to fill or it is impossible to, they should advertise capacity at 2/3 of actual tank. We have been able to stick a plug in ours when driving, but have to get down under camper. Considering rigging up something with easier access with a valve.
What size tube is it and how long
Parts I used are in the description but I used about 3-4 ft of tube for my particular model.
Hey brother! North county san diegan here with a new wolf pup being pulled by my Tacoma also! Haha Do you have a Instagram page or anything where I can get a hold you? Got some questions!
For sure! I recently moved out to Utah for work actually but you can’t get rid of the San Diegen in me haha. Instagram is @thenickherring
Forest River a poor mfr from my previous experience.
I truly believe its forest river is lazy and poor QC,It's not the wolf pup idk about other manufacturers but I purchases a hemisphere hyper late 34 ft bunkhouse and none on the water fittings were tight there was a leak and my entire underbelly filled with water . Let's just say that the "repair" their entire underbelly winter pack was compromised and near worthless now
They did it because these were all Covid builds and done half assed. There are tons of things like this that I have had to "complete" or "fix" in our 2021 16BHS too. Poor QC.
Unfortunately, I can’t blame Covid for this one. This is how they build them pre and post
Inexpensive? They are expensive enough
What are you referring to?
The trailer itself is what I'm talking about. The maker of the video said its an inexpensive trailer
Good call - Too lazy to do the job right.
Not a very clean “workman-like”
Installation from the factory, is it?
Which part?