Firemen: The Hardest Job on an Ocean Liner

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  • The firemen (sometimes known as stokers) on an ocean liner worked in the belly of the ship and were responsible for keeping the boilers fueled and the steam pressure up. This would have been the hardest job on Titanic or any other ocean liner of her era. It was a complicated, difficult, and grueling job that only the toughest men could do. In this video, we go over the work and life of a ship's firemen and trimmers.
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    Sources:
    1. “Down Amongst the Black Gang: The World and Workplace of RMS Titanic’s Stokers” by Richard P. de Kerbrech. 2014.
    2. “Titanic: The Ship Magnificent: Volume two: Interior Design & Fitting Out,” by Bruce Beveridge, Scott Andrews, Steve Hall, Daniel Kistorner, and Art Braunschweiger. 2008.
    3. “Titanic: Living in 1912.” Jakesimpkin.org. www.jakesimpkin.org/ArticlesRe...
    4. “The Only Way to Cross,” by John Maxtone-Graham. 1972.
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  • @TheGreatBigMove
    @TheGreatBigMove  3 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    Would you sail on a historic ocean liner if it meant you had to work as a fireman during the voyage? If so, what ship would you choose?

    • @ranger_fnm
      @ranger_fnm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I would choose the SS Bremen, but not as a fireman haha

    • @thelightningshoe92
      @thelightningshoe92 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      NEVERRR

    • @JackJoToons
      @JackJoToons 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I would choose the Olympic

    • @SQUAREHEADSAM1912
      @SQUAREHEADSAM1912 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I’d choose either the mejestic, or the Mauritania.

    • @TheJordan08
      @TheJordan08 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I would pick uss West Point (AKA SS America)

  • @KeyK0ng
    @KeyK0ng 3 ปีที่แล้ว +167

    My grandfather was a Cunard Fireman, never knew what he actually did until now. After finishing his time at sea, he went to work on the docks and then a shipbuilders yard.

    • @PinacoladaMatthew
      @PinacoladaMatthew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Whatever you have today, you owe it to him in some way

  • @whovianhistorybuff
    @whovianhistorybuff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +446

    Engineers "disappeared"
    Translation: he got battered over the head with a shovel and then thrown in the furnace to hide the evidence.

    • @harrietharlow9929
      @harrietharlow9929 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Pretty much.

    • @notmenotme614
      @notmenotme614 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Or buried in the bunker

    • @Bialy_1
      @Bialy_1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@notmenotme614 It should be number one worst idea on "how to cover the traces of this crime". hehe

    • @FlanimationStudios
      @FlanimationStudios 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@notmenotme614 random bodies coming out of the coal chute. I’m sure it happened at least once.

    • @gregorykayne6054
      @gregorykayne6054 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sounds like!

  • @GTgaming69
    @GTgaming69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    3:35 guy is smoking a cig on top of a pile of coal next to a furnace. Fuckin legend

    • @HarrisChoudhry
      @HarrisChoudhry 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good eye

    • @mabamabam
      @mabamabam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You mean there is a tiny glowing ember next to a huge roaring boiler? How positively dangerous.

    • @brainwashingdetergent4128
      @brainwashingdetergent4128 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The trimmer behind him also smoking a cig like a boss.

    • @Bialy_1
      @Bialy_1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And most likely the air via cig was slighty cleaner...

    • @rc8rsracer1
      @rc8rsracer1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Coal take a ton of energy to light. A cigarette is no danger

  • @josiahricafrente585
    @josiahricafrente585 3 ปีที่แล้ว +348

    I love channels like yours, because they discuss lesser-known topics with such detail and passion that shows how those obscure parts of history are just as interesting and poignant as the popular ones. These men had a life just as much as any other, and channels like yours bring awareness to that. So, thanks for doing what you do!

    • @TheGreatBigMove
      @TheGreatBigMove  3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Thank you, Josiah! I appreciate your kind words and I’m glad you enjoy the channel.

    • @1Dropboys
      @1Dropboys 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Brilliant way to put it. I can never pinpoint why I love videos such as these. You've done so for me :)

    • @worstgamer1162
      @worstgamer1162 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheGreatBigMove did fireman’s have back pains?

    • @unnamedchannel1237
      @unnamedchannel1237 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes and the best part no stupid music overlay louder than the person talking

    • @manga12
      @manga12 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@worstgamer1162 oh you have no idea just like the railroad it would break you in short order, but there is a real art to it you have to watch your fire and spread the coal or fuel around, and when to stoke more in. but you get used to it and there is a handling technique

  • @UPnDOWN
    @UPnDOWN 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    My great-grandfather was a fireman on Titanic (one of the few lucky enough to survive, certainly from my perspective!) Just wanted to say thanks for putting this together, as I don't really know much about what kind of life he had on the ship, only what his job was.

    • @matthewcole4753
      @matthewcole4753 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Do you know more about his story? How he survived?

  • @theblackbear211
    @theblackbear211 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I'm a Licensed Chief Engineer and I started at the bottom over 40 years ago.
    Even in a modern engine room, 50C (122F) is not unheard of, and if you are below 40C (103F) you're generally sailing in a cold ocean.
    There are even a few coal fired vessel left - though the fireman is no longer shoveling into the furnace - he has to monitor the fire and keep the
    equipment operating.
    Coal still needs to be shifted and trimmed by hand.
    There is still plenty of hot, dirty, hard work involved in keeping ships operating.
    Not quite what it once was - berthing has come a long way.
    But its a good thing to remember where we've come from.

    • @Derin7890
      @Derin7890 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Any stories?

    • @theblackbear211
      @theblackbear211 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Derin7890 I'll have to think if any are suitable. :-)

    • @therandomytchannel4318
      @therandomytchannel4318 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some German tourist boats are still coal fired and guys shovel coal by hand. Not sure if they still dump the ash overboard or not

    • @theblackbear211
      @theblackbear211 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@therandomytchannel4318 There are a few coal fired tourist boats in the US also that are small enough to hand fire.
      There is one large tourist ferry (originally a railroad ferry) on Lake Michigan which is coal fired - with a mechanical stoker, and grates.
      (SS Badger, 4,244 GRT, ~7,000 IHP)
      She has a pair of 4 cylinder, Skinner Uniflow Compounds.

  • @dajones1128
    @dajones1128 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    i have preformed this job. Shovel 1 3/4 tons of coal a hour into 2 scotch marine boilers on the SS J.Clare Miller...6 furnaces....3 each boiler.

  • @masterskrain2630
    @masterskrain2630 3 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    I'm so glad that when I was a Boiler Tech in the Navy in the 70s, We burned Oil, rather then coal on the Gearing Class Destroyer I was serving on.

    • @keithgutshall9559
      @keithgutshall9559 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Did same on an Adam,s class destroyer,a hot nasty job . Standing water check level was worse!!

    • @pilotbug6100
      @pilotbug6100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      press F to pay respects to the firemen on that ship

    • @starliner2498
      @starliner2498 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A gearing class? that's really old

    • @BeachsideHank
      @BeachsideHank 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@starliner2498 They were a modification of the legendary Fletcher class, basically a stretch version to accommodate more fuel for trans Atlantic convoy escort duty during WWII. After the war some were converted by the FRAM process in the early sixties to extend their life and also save the Navy money. I was a Boiler Tech aboard two of this class of ship sailing out of Newport R.I., 1969- 1973. Not unlike the Firemen of old, Snipes as we were called, were pretty much given wide berth by the rest of the crew- the fireroom was a hot, dirty, dangerous place to be and even the smallest mistake could have devastating consequences to the men on watch, and oftentimes we had attitude because of this. In February, 1973 there was a boiler explosion aboard the destroyer USS Basilone, which killed seven of her crew:
      ussbasilone.org/its-a-cold-february-in-73-by-jim-elliot/
      They odds of a Snipe making it out of the "hole" during a mishap were virtually non- existent, we knew this, we accepted it, and another thing in closing- officers rarely, if ever, came down our hole, you can figure out why.

    • @starliner2498
      @starliner2498 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BeachsideHank all the while rolling and pitching in the high seas, I wonder how much of it could be automated

  • @AMD7027
    @AMD7027 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Left out one thing, firemen did have one privilege, due to the conditions they were given their own private promenade where they could go up on deck and get fresh air. This area was clearly viewed on the Titanic by first class passengers to their distaste.

  • @steamandsmoke97
    @steamandsmoke97 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Arguably the most important responsibility of a Fireman, even more important than actually firing the boiler from a safety standpoint which you didn't mention, was maintaining the water level in the Boilers. You can't make Steam without water (and it is indeed fresh water since all ocean going vessels have to run Condensing in a closed loop to prevent corrosive saltwater from getting into the system). It's one thing to fire the boiler, but if she runs dry, then KABOOM! is what immediately follows. At 2:15 you can see the duplex feed pumps mounted vertically to the wall which took their water from the Hotwell, and at 11:47 you can see the sight glass fixtures right next to the smoke ducts on the Scotch Boilers. It was sometimes difficult to read the glass in the dim, smokey confines of the boiler room, and the glass had to be blown down every watch to make sure they were reading accurately and not blocked with rust or sediment. Usually the boiler water levels were maintained by the most senior Fireman on the watch, known as the "Top Watch" or the "Boiler Tender" of the watch.

  • @robinfryer479
    @robinfryer479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    They used to die. Invariably 1 or 2 would die every voyage. “boys” were put in charge of the ships cook, and had to report to him at the end of their watch. The cook would strip them, stand them in a bowl and sponge them down. Thus they would survive. I was a stoker, for a while, in an oil-fired ship. It was a doddle! Very hot, yes, but no physical strength was required. And of course we cleaned the burners, changed the nozzles, and cleared the carbon from the furnace crowns and walls. It was burned up by the fire.

    • @MilloSpiegel
      @MilloSpiegel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      imagine that, they were so overheated they had to be washed after a shift. If the posibilety would have existed they woul probably been hosed down

  • @Hiro_Hari
    @Hiro_Hari 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    As someone who’s been a fireman on a steam locomotives I know how lucky I’ve got it compared to these troopers

  • @DsFk80s
    @DsFk80s 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Thanks for sharing. The engine room is basically a prison on a ship. But at the same time they powered society within the ship.

  • @noahellis3672
    @noahellis3672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    I can only imagine how tough and extremely difficult it was to be a fireman and a trimmer on a coal fired steamship. No modern ventilation or air conditioning, backbreaking work, having to share the crew quarters in a barracks style arrangement in the bow of the ship. I bet in some of those ships a bath consisted of standing over a drain and having someone pour a bucket of water over you, lathering up and then pouring water over you to rinse.

    • @uglyguyfe
      @uglyguyfe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      3:45 all while having a smoke in a boiling hot room with no proper ventilation doing physically and mentally demanding job

    • @therandomytchannel4318
      @therandomytchannel4318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You would think some smart guy would have invented a contraption called an " automatic stoker" to lessen the manload and let machines do the job, but I guess that would show up years later

    • @jerrystauffer2351
      @jerrystauffer2351 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@therandomytchannel4318 why would you want that? If it gets mechanized I lose this cushy job!

    • @merafirewing6591
      @merafirewing6591 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@therandomytchannel4318 until some wisecracking stoker decided to mess it up.

  • @kastallion
    @kastallion 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I remember from a previous video, of yours, that firemen was suggested were better paid than this video seems to suggest.
    Terrible nature of the work, I wouldn't last 1 day there! Respect for those men

    • @georgen9383
      @georgen9383 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I too, was confused. In previous said video it sounded like they were paid well as opposed to other ship's crew. Then here, we are told they were underpaid. Hard to take a stab at this from 100+ years later, but a bit confusing. Otherwise, extremely well researched and presented.

  • @DarqeDestroyer
    @DarqeDestroyer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    1:21, 11:45 Look at the muscles on those men. The stoker with his shovel in the furnace at 1:21, the biceps and the veins on him. These men were likely never inside a purpose-built gymnasium in their lives, but they have muscles of iron. It gives an inkling of how arduous their labor was.

    • @TheGreatBigMove
      @TheGreatBigMove  3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Great observation!

    • @duartesimoes508
      @duartesimoes508 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Now just imagine the brawls, inshore. 💪

    • @digestiveissue7710
      @digestiveissue7710 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      They're probably a lot stronger than someone who's job is at the desk, but visually, they look pretty average for healthy adult men. It doesn't really take going to gym not to be fat or too skinny.

    • @12Casual
      @12Casual 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@digestiveissue7710 They only look healthy because you cant see the inside of their lungs. Great irony that basically their only free time activity was smoking

    • @billybongthornton777
      @billybongthornton777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@12Casual id put money on them over most gym rats in a fight.

  • @AaronShenghao
    @AaronShenghao 3 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    “Captain the ship is on FIRE!”
    “Call the fireman.”
    !?!

    • @AlextheHistorian
      @AlextheHistorian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      In that case, they'd use the term "fire brigade" to refer to the men who put out fires.

    • @AaronShenghao
      @AaronShenghao 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@AlextheHistorian It’s a joke on British English / junior enlgish, most kid’s books won’t have “fire brigade” or “fire fighter”, but instead “firemen”

    • @AlextheHistorian
      @AlextheHistorian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AaronShenghao I know it's a joke, I chuckled softly to myself. I just thought people who read your joke might wonder the alternate word for firemen was in a situation like that.

    • @someonestolemyname
      @someonestolemyname 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just call them here, we need someone to put out the fire on the ship and someone to put out mine

    • @brianstabile165
      @brianstabile165 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Firemen:were here,oh that is not our job wrong guys call the firefighters

  • @TigTig-Kitty
    @TigTig-Kitty ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My grandfather was a Firefighter on a few WW2 submarines. He would tell me stories about the war time, the subs conditions & I was mesmerized. I wanted to be a Firefighter so bad, but I was super tiny. I was 5'0 and 80 pounds in my mid teens. I Ended up taking EMS courses & working with the ambulance service. I had a growth spurt & grew 6 inches gained over 20 pounds & a lot more muscle tone. I managed to work with the Volunteer Firefighters in a few very small towns/villages for a few seasons doing videotaping of the scenes & first-aid to anyone who needed it. I spent 23 years in EMS & I thank my grandpa for giving me an adventurous spirit & absolute fearless side.

  • @basstard4639
    @basstard4639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Awesome video. I never knew how much work those men did. I was definitely ignorant by thinking they just shoveled coal. Again awesome video.

  • @andymunns2579
    @andymunns2579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great video (I was probably one of the last firemen to work in a stokehold on the NSW coast). Great treatment of social and technical matters. Initially they tried to get the firemen to work sailors hours - 4 hours on / 4 hours off, but exhausted firemen lying about the deck meant the ships couldn't steam, hence the 4 hours on / 8 hours off system. The video mentions big ships could have Irish or Glaswegian/Gorbals firemen. Other ships had Lascars, Chinese or African crews, but never mixed.
    Small ships though might have 2 boilers and 6 furnaces, but with only 3 firemen, therefore 4 hours on and 8 hours off. The 3rd fireman had to be employed to make the ship go, but there might be only 2 engineers though (who worked the 24 hours on system). Often no trimmer was carried. Firemen also complained about companies buying cheap rubbish coal (low heat, high ash, clinkers), which greatly increased their workload. On smaller ships, the fireman was also expected to grease the engines and assist deckhands during berthing.
    The complete story must also mention what life ashore in the slums was like. Firemen at least needed food to work, and they had the "Black Pan" of galley leftovers to pick at. Like Navvies ashore, firemen needed a lot of food to do the work. Crowded tenements often had street toilets, which was normal for the time. Heads on ships were poor, but superior to toilets ashore. People washed in tubs, and baths were only for rich people.

  • @masaharumorimoto4761
    @masaharumorimoto4761 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Fascinating! In Sea Cadets I was lucky enough to get a 2 week sea phase on a Canadian Destroyer, the Iroquois, It was just me and 1 other cadet so life was normal on the ship, the Stokers were a different breed of people... I couldn't stand in the turbine room for more than 5 min with ear protection, I can't imagine a whole deployment!!!!!

  • @kvyatalpinista8942
    @kvyatalpinista8942 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Amazing video man.
    If you allow me to suggest some topics, if not for videos, for you to read about:
    - sinking of the principe de asturias, de Brazilian titanic
    - that Italian ship that sank literally after being launch, I forgot the name
    - classism in Ocean liners
    - longest serving ocean liners

  • @SgtSledgehammer12
    @SgtSledgehammer12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I found your channel by accident and it is honestly already my favorite history channel. I absolutely love how much research goes into your videos and how informative and easy to understand you make them. As a sailor myself, it's always important to know the roots of maritime travel.

  • @MrJoeyWheeler
    @MrJoeyWheeler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    One must love the unfortunate irony in the end there.
    Tale as old as time.
    "WE DEMAND BETTER WORKING CONDITIONS!"
    "Alright, we have improved the working conditions and efficiency. half of you are now no longer necessary, good luck with your job hunt."

    • @skaldlouiscyphre2453
      @skaldlouiscyphre2453 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The elimination of some jobs improves the conditions of the people who once did them once the short-term disruption is resolved and they have new jobs.

  • @robrowe2298
    @robrowe2298 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Great video, my Grand Father was a Royal Navy Stoker in the 1890s and I often wonder about the working conditions he faced. He was invalided out due to health issues and I wonder how much of that was due to his work in the stokehold of a warship.

    • @maxideas9393
      @maxideas9393 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      All of it, most likely. That was one of the worst jobs in the world at the time.

  • @andreiuul1
    @andreiuul1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    germans hiring hungarians and romanians in order to avoid tensions...
    oh boy, it must have been a fun work environment

    • @RaptorJesus
      @RaptorJesus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I assume their next two choices would've been Serbs and Bosnians. You know, just to continue the trend of "almost literal war between the crew".

    • @forthrightgambitia1032
      @forthrightgambitia1032 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Probably not the two at the same time...

    • @xRepoUKx
      @xRepoUKx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hungarian: how do we do this?
      German: ze manual is on ze top shelf, please put it back tidily ven you haf finished!

    • @merafirewing6591
      @merafirewing6591 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@forthrightgambitia1032 I would imagine the brawls being intense with Hungarians, Romanians, Serbs, and Bosnians in the same place with the Germans and possibly Austrians?

  • @gregriutzel7834
    @gregriutzel7834 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Finally someone that speaks for us. I was a fireman on oil fired ships, and then went to solid fueled stationary boilers. It was easy to learn, but it was constant work. The only difference between us and automation was automation didn't have unions or families. Thank you!

  • @mikeseier4449
    @mikeseier4449 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Fascinating video. Although the firemen certainly worked extremely hard,.. It seem by your description that the trimmers maybe had it worse because on top of the work on board they had to coal the ship in dock.

    • @TheGreatBigMove
      @TheGreatBigMove  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Possibly! It’s certainly up for debate.

  • @johnwalsh7810
    @johnwalsh7810 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My Great Grandfather was a fireman at sea for a few years after leaving the farm where he grew up in Ireland. It was the hard work of being a fireman that taught him how to work boilers so when he decided to stay in the US permanently he was able to be hired to work and maintain the boilers in a small factory.

  • @funnelvortex7722
    @funnelvortex7722 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Adding to a previous comment I left here: I know the common adage is "Wooden ships and iron men, iron ships and wooden men", but in all honestly this work sounds far more grueling than hauling ropes and climbing rigging. Sign me the hell up for crewing on a tall ship, but no way in hell you'll convince me to work in a steamship's boiler room.
    Diesel engines must've been a godsend.

    • @jamesharding3459
      @jamesharding3459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oil fueled boilers aren’t very hard to run. About the same as a diesel.

  • @commonsense1907
    @commonsense1907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for another informative video. I've read firemen had to learn skills which would mean the difference of a crucial extra knot when navies burned coal. Also, Mississippi River boats often burned wood up until the 1880's. When at high speed they often burned a cord or more of wood an hour. They would go ashore and load wood on the ship. A term, known as wooding ship. Sometimes sparks would exit the stacks when racing. As evidenced on Currier & Ives prints. During races, the pressure relief valves were often tampered with so they did not release.

  • @Vegas_Des
    @Vegas_Des 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This was an insanely informative video. I can’t believe the care that goes into keeping those boilers running efficiently

  • @woodywoodman2319
    @woodywoodman2319 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a retired Boiler Tech and Gas Turbine Mechanic (best of both worlds!) ...
    I can say USNavy Engineers had the respect they deserved!
    Especially the BTs!!!

  • @xXCREEKSTARXx
    @xXCREEKSTARXx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Theres no way those guys wouldve been nice and accepting, straght edge dudes.
    The working conditions are hell to bare, just imagine being exploited like that, working in these conditions and not being drunk all fkin day lol. People would probably just jump in the burners for free

  • @funnelvortex7722
    @funnelvortex7722 3 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Firemen: Proof that the men stayed iron when the ships became iron.

  • @Thx1138sober
    @Thx1138sober 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thanks, dude for covering these fascinating and ignored aspects of maritime history.

  • @dosrios57
    @dosrios57 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Mention in this well made Documentary should have been made of the 'Lascar Seaman' Employed by British Shipping companies to work as Stokers and trimmers and what became of them upon the transition from Coal to Fuel

    • @TheGreatBigMove
      @TheGreatBigMove  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Interesting, I hadn’t come across this before. I’ll have to look into it.

  • @rafterbarr1506
    @rafterbarr1506 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    "Kilroy Stoking Regulator" much like the shirtless "horator" pounding on a drum in a rowing galley, some things didn't change in the galley even after steam.

  • @juliusraben3526
    @juliusraben3526 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That "suprisingly populair video" is also the first one that i got recommended xD since then ive been happily watching every recommendation :P

  • @OKFrax-ys2op
    @OKFrax-ys2op 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well this kinda fireman love a hot one! Not like you’re neighborhood ones!

  • @Sevenspent
    @Sevenspent 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing these men worked in 120F on a ship while some workers today complain about 90F indoors on solid ground.

  • @What_was_wrong_w_jst_our_names
    @What_was_wrong_w_jst_our_names 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    11:23 you sold that pun so hard man 🤪

  • @SlavaUkraini85
    @SlavaUkraini85 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Love every single of your videos, so great to get a better understanding of that time period.
    A question related to that: in the Titanic movie when they are about to hit the iceberg one of the firemen says: „close all the dampers?!“ Do you know what that means and why they do that?

  • @rosslangsjoen6820
    @rosslangsjoen6820 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely excellent.
    And the black gang didn't entirely change as long as ships were powered by steam.

  • @gon4455
    @gon4455 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Above decks, graceful and harmonious full of comfort and joyous lovelyness and niceness with little baby angels singing.
    Below deep within the bottom bowls of the ship.
    Hell on Earth!

  • @torquetrain8963
    @torquetrain8963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well said. Thanks to this channel for preserving this important history. Love the reciprocating steam marine engines which are probably still the torquiest and strongest engines of any type to this day.

  • @pobinr
    @pobinr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for not adding background music. Great vids

    • @TheGreatBigMove
      @TheGreatBigMove  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've considered it in the past and have added it to parts of some of my videos where appropriate. But until I find a really good fit, I probably won't add background music to the majority of my videos. I know a lot of people have strong opinions about that.

  • @Mondo762
    @Mondo762 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    ^^^^^^^^Engineer, US Merchant Marine (ret).........I once had a Chief Engineer that had worked on coal burners running between Seattle and Alaska back in the 1950's. Having sailed on plenty of WW2 steam ships I can attest to the nature of the Black Gang even up through the Viet Nam War and later.

  • @vermas4654
    @vermas4654 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Since you have made a video on the great German liners, would you be willing to make a video on Bremen and Europa, the two Liners of the Lloyd in the 30s? Both do have pretty interesting stories

  • @low_quality_films
    @low_quality_films 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    @the great big move I feel u have a lot of respect for these people and I appreciate it a lot

  • @Lichnaya_pravda
    @Lichnaya_pravda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Before I watched this video, I thought it will be about the people who extinguish flame in case of fire on the ship.

    • @exexpat11
      @exexpat11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Damage Controlman - Controls Fires and Damage onboard ships
      Fireman Apprentice - Lowest Engineering Rank in US Navy
      Fire Controlman - Those that maintain the Radars, Ranging Equipment, and Missile Guidance Systems on US Navy Warships
      Hull Technician - Those that maintain hull integrity and the plumbing on ships

  • @812guitars
    @812guitars 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video. Super informative on a subject that's been virtually invisible.

  • @matthewamaral4825
    @matthewamaral4825 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Being a power plant firemen this gives me pride

  • @vanessa9558
    @vanessa9558 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wonderful, wonderful video. I’d always been so curious about them and yours is the first video I’ve come across on here that has been dedicated to this topic. Amazing job, and thank you so much for compiling this information for us!

  • @Master_of_Failure
    @Master_of_Failure 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I work in a hot sweaty warehouse all night loading trailers for trucks. There's a lot of similarities between my job and this and it's frightening. We go unseen and unheard As long as your package gets there on time nobody cares. But for the most part that's how we like it we show up we do our job and we go home.

    • @TheEgg185
      @TheEgg185 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I worked as Amazon delivery driver spending 11 hours a day in their rolling ovens. 🔥🔥🔥 I certainly felt like a steam ship fireman and was thinking the same as you. The customer clicks a button and receives their package, blissfully unaware of the hell people had to go through to get it to them.
      It makes me wonder what other jobs are like this that we don't know about. Perhaps every job?

  • @alexis_ian
    @alexis_ian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great feature video! Pitty how people view fireman at the time I wonder if the Titanic disaster and the near mutiny on the Olympic changed that?

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      In general the perceptions of the working class were changed by Socialist movements in the late 19th and early 20th century that pretty universally succeeded in pushing through labor safety laws, better wages, 8 hour work days and universal suffrage which meant that politically the working class couldn't be entirely ignored anymore. Universal suffrage in most countries was achieved by an alliance between socialist and feminist movements, with working class women of course being part of both as Emma Goldman talks about.

  • @coffeecocaine8878
    @coffeecocaine8878 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love every bit of these engineering details, along with the tidbits of food and logistical stats on the Titanic. This is greater entertainment for me than watching music videos all day every day.

  • @priatalat
    @priatalat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The amount of trouble we have to go through to just make steam always astonished me.

  • @viphomeconcerts
    @viphomeconcerts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    These are great videos. I really enjoy this series on ships. Thank you!

  • @osirisandilio
    @osirisandilio 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    For a great story about lead fireman Frederick Barrett of the Titanic, check out Saving the Titanic. Awesome story

  • @SlavaUkraini85
    @SlavaUkraini85 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    so interesting! thanks much! was always wondering about these things

  • @jeremyfisher8782
    @jeremyfisher8782 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! When I first started reading books about the Titanic and ships during this time period ... your videos would have been a HUGE help in understanding the jobs/duties of each specific ship worker. Perfect length of video ... really great work!

  • @Nikki_Catnip
    @Nikki_Catnip 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These men were absolute beasts! I wouldn’t wanna go up against anyone of them. One of the first pics.. my god. The dude is absolutely STACKED. Huge pecs, big biceps, huge forearms. If a bunch of guys like that mutinied, I’d give them whatever the hell they wanted and go lock myself behind a safe door! Lmao

  • @lostphoenix1911
    @lostphoenix1911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    3:39 I find it funny that they’re smoking.

  • @91_C4_FL
    @91_C4_FL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In today's money, Captain Smith made around £116,698.09 or $160,637.84 annually.

    • @TheGreatBigMove
      @TheGreatBigMove  3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yes, he earned a pretty solid salary. Keep in mind, though, that he was at the height of the career arc for a merchant seaman.

    • @JWRogersPS
      @JWRogersPS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was the highest paid ship's captain at the time.

  • @peteacher52
    @peteacher52 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well done!!

  • @scottlewisparsons9551
    @scottlewisparsons9551 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for another great video.

  • @mactherebellionleader5394
    @mactherebellionleader5394 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is my favorite and most reliable source of ship information, thank you so much for the reliable information. Also I have a request, can you make a video about the first superliner Kaiser Whilhelm Der Grosse? I love the ocean liner and I have not seen a video of it on youtube yet :(.

    • @TheGreatBigMove
      @TheGreatBigMove  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, I want to cover some of the earlier German liners at some point. Stay tuned!

    • @mactherebellionleader5394
      @mactherebellionleader5394 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheGreatBigMove Thank you so much! It means a lot for a creator to respond to a community. Im glad you are making a video about them.

  • @tommyluvstraci
    @tommyluvstraci 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very educational. Thanks!

  • @patanouketgersiflet9486
    @patanouketgersiflet9486 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative, great stuff, thanks!

  • @Sebi076
    @Sebi076 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    great and informational video!

  • @blatherskite9601
    @blatherskite9601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    At least the Titanic's stokers didn't have to suffer their awful accommodation for very long.

  • @decentdave4223
    @decentdave4223 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, this subject is fascinating for me, but rarely gets looked at, so thank you.

  • @fergusmoffat1760
    @fergusmoffat1760 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What is not mentioned here, is that ocean liners were not the only ships requiring stokers. So did all of the freight and packet steamers around the world that had taken over from the sailing vessels (not to forget utility vessels such as tugs). They too, would eventually either be pensioned off or converted to oil-firing, but the employment opportunities for ocean-going stokers did not end with the conversion of the liners. It did end, though... that much can be acknowledged.

  • @kikoeta
    @kikoeta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I subscribed after the bunkering video, this channel is absolutely wonderful and a total guilty pleasure of mine

    • @TheGreatBigMove
      @TheGreatBigMove  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, but there’s no reason to feel guilty 👍🏼

  • @Artofficial1986
    @Artofficial1986 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm spoiled rotten by cookies, candies and fizzy drinks. 👁👄👁

  • @roymarshall_
    @roymarshall_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did not need the HD roach footage today

  • @tonyperone3242
    @tonyperone3242 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The actual topic here is the state of labor relations at sea.
    Not much has changed since then.
    There are yet people who's labor is essential, but they are still treated with contempt.

    • @sumvs5992
      @sumvs5992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nothing's changed? I'm not going to say that it's got much safer or better, but it seems in the modern day, people will be operating from control panels. People aren't shovelling coal into boilers or transporting that coal from its storage to the firemen.
      And even in nuclear powered vehicles that militaries have, safety will be very important. You don't want a submarine being lost because the reactor wasn't properly maintained, because that cost a lot of money. That would also make these vehicles look bad in the public eye and susceptible to loss and then everything about these vehicles would just spiral out of control.
      So, no safety has definitely improved since the birth of the coal powered ocean crossing boats.

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@sumvs5992 I imagine that's not the subject of this comment and they're talking about stuff like dock workers, shipyard workers and ship breakers who often have horrible conditions and sometimes work in basically slave like conditions.

    • @sumvs5992
      @sumvs5992 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hedgehog3180 Slave like conditions? How fucking dare you?

  • @Kshep84
    @Kshep84 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the video! The story of my people.

  • @rob1248996
    @rob1248996 ปีที่แล้ว

    My FIRST hour/day on a Navy ship was on an old training destroyer (USS English). When asked where the new guys wanted to work for that 2 weeks, I asked what were the options. The chief mentioned Engineering. I always wanted to be an Engineer so I raised my hand (for the last time in the Navy). I didn't realize that the Navy's definition of "Engineering" was different than mine. Engineering in the Navy was the fire (boiler) room. I learned an important lesson that day.

  • @brainwashingdetergent4128
    @brainwashingdetergent4128 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Imagine being a stoker at the battle of jutland. Just stoking away all the while knowing a 2500lb shell might drop in to say hi.

    • @whovianhistorybuff
      @whovianhistorybuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      True during a battle at sea some of the men whose job it is to stay below deck are probably under just as much pressure, if not more so than the officers on the bridge or men manning the gun turrets, there was a royal navy recruiting ad I remember well about navy chefs.
      Could you fry an egg?
      On a ship?
      On a ship in a storm?
      On a ship in a storm turning sharply?
      On a ship in a storm turning sharply under a surprise missile attack?
      That's just one egg,
      Now imagine you have 200 sailors who urgently need to be fed to remain operational,
      What's going to crack?
      You or the eggs?

    • @samuelfellows6923
      @samuelfellows6923 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or a submarine torpedo 😱

    • @thomaspick4123
      @thomaspick4123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ben Hur showed it well below decks. Be a chained oarsmen rowing. Getting rammed. Drowning with the ship. See TH-cam clip: All Wars Are Bankers Wars. We should not have all this war nonsense. A fleet of merchants ships, okay. Naval war ships are a waste of money and human life. Their purpose is to murder and destroy.

  • @paulkoza8652
    @paulkoza8652 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very well done video.

  • @shahxad6533
    @shahxad6533 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just started watching 1899 & the First episode "The Ship" had me thinking abt the Firemen. & wow Ur Video developed my interest more. I'll be watching alot more of ur videos.

  • @pacificrules
    @pacificrules 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I thoroughly enjoyed this and many of your videos.
    MORE PLEASE !!!!

    • @TheGreatBigMove
      @TheGreatBigMove  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, more to come!

    • @pacificrules
      @pacificrules 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheGreatBigMove Thank you Shipmate.

  • @JETZcorp
    @JETZcorp ปีที่แล้ว

    Good lord. I thought being a fireman on the railroads was a difficult job. I'm going to locate the fuel pump on my car and thank it for it's service.

  • @h0ckeyd
    @h0ckeyd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I might be seeing things but one of those dock photos looks like it has the Southwestern hotel in Southampton in the background (opposite side of the road to the White star HQ) both buildings still stand btw.

  • @N3braskaDude
    @N3braskaDude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    i would choose the titanic and be one of the survivors that got through the doors before they closed

    • @TheGreatBigMove
      @TheGreatBigMove  3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Interesting, but here’s something you might not know: the firemen could have still escaped even after the doors closed. There were escape ladders which ascended through the decks from the boiler rooms. I believe they were located in the funnel casings, but don’t quote me on that.

    • @supertrinigamer
      @supertrinigamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@TheGreatBigMove That could be why the watertight doors failed fantastically

    • @MrHowzaa
      @MrHowzaa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@supertrinigamer becuase one snook forgot to close the manhole cover?

    • @johnbockelie3899
      @johnbockelie3899 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Has any one seen the chief engineer?."
      Meanwhile his skeleton is on fire in a furnace.

  • @blip-hn6is
    @blip-hn6is 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i wanted to watch this vid but it is premiered so it got buried so deep in my sub. glad i found it again.

  • @leha4630
    @leha4630 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Yes The diesel engine was a godsend from heaven when it came on board.

  • @Momo_Kawashima
    @Momo_Kawashima 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    People then: I just ended my 23 hours turn of shoveling coal into a furnace and doing maintenance to a working engine, now I'm going to drink three bottles of whiskey at once and then I'm going to sleep
    People now: chair isnt comfortble im sad

  • @toddkurzbard
    @toddkurzbard ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the stories I've read (from Lightoller if I remember correctly) has always stuck with me; the writer describes one of those hard-nosed engineers who went below to give the firemen a tounge-lashing, or maybe to "encourage" a better performance then he was currently satisfied with. He was never seen again, the rumor going around (according to the author) that he was brained in the head with a shovel, and his body shoved in one of the furnaces.

  • @wixskid
    @wixskid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great lecture. Period

  • @JackJoToons
    @JackJoToons 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm thrilled for this one!

    • @TheGreatBigMove
      @TheGreatBigMove  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It’s a very ‘hot’ topic.

    • @TheJordan08
      @TheJordan08 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheGreatBigMove lol

    • @JackJoToons
      @JackJoToons 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheGreatBigMove Haha, nice one!

  • @CaptainAhab117
    @CaptainAhab117 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    God bless those men.

  • @conradmcdougall3629
    @conradmcdougall3629 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    "HEY, YOU TWO!!! GET OFF THE BOW RAILS AND STOP PLAYING THAT DAMN CELINE DION SONG"!!!
    I think I found out why he looks so angry.
    Titanic movie reference.

    • @nataliekhanyola5669
      @nataliekhanyola5669 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣🤣😂😂

    • @xerox8080
      @xerox8080 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Titanic song by Celine Dion is number one in my "Songs I Hate the most" list.... 😠🤢😡👹So play this song, give me a shuffle and pray for your life... 💀☠☠

  • @cyberp0et
    @cyberp0et 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative!

  • @danielpapuga4615
    @danielpapuga4615 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your channel is awesome keep up the great content,a request perhaps you could do a video on Titanics little sister Britanic

  • @brianperry
    @brianperry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I started my life at sea in a boiler room on the Queen Elizabeth .1967/8....Then original ship. You had to go through an airlock that 'punched your ears' as you opened the inner door...Also, the telegraph still had 'Action Stations' on it, presumably from WW2. I did three trips to New York then payed off, I didn't want to spend my time in a hot, noisy engine room. I transferred to being a deck hand eventually an Able Seaman on a VLCC ...mostly in the fresh air... My youth over fifty years ago now, but fond memories

  • @mikeingeorgia1
    @mikeingeorgia1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very fascinating!