@@derrickstorm6976 It's definitely not, but go ahead and nitpick about everything because "woke Star Wars," or whatever Nazi bullshit you're peddling.
Liam has been wanting to reprise the role every since 99 he was only killed off because he was too tall physically and cost the production of the movie to go up tremendously due to them having to build sets 2 feet taller and that never sat well with him he wanted to keep the character going
He might be the most important character besides Anakin. He was the one who found Anakin, told the council about Darth Maul and rediscovered becoming a force ghost. He was also Dooku's padawan, and that bond caused Dooku to turn to the dark side but also not kill Obi-Wan.
@@savannahreed3186 And he was one of the first reasons why Anakins fall began in first place. He was his first fatherly figure and his death must have been an impact itself but also made the good-jedi-bad-teacher Obi-Wan Anakins master
@@zarrstrudeltributemaker314 Qui Gon was a maverick in the Order especially with how things were being conducted. Instead of following the will of the senate he followed the will of the force. He was not so blind to the things that were happening around him and with time he more than likely would’ve found out the Sith Grand Plan. Not only being the padawan to Count Dooku as well as the master to ObiWan, but also the first individual to preserve his consciousness after his physical death. Yes he died so soon in the phantom menace, but his legacy kept going with making sure the Chosen One would fulfill the prophesy.
@@zarrstrudeltributemaker314 reason he’s one of the best is cause he’s not bound by the arrogance or dogma of the order if he trained anakin then anakin wouldn’t of fallen to the dark side easily he’s bound the knowledge and will of the force which puts him at odds with the council and he instructed yoda on his spiritual self
It’s cool to hear this and do also hear the confirmation of how Cal did meet Anakin. “He continued watching Anakin, who took a moment to gather himself before stopping to talk with Jaro Tapal and the red-haired youngling who trailed him.”-Star Wars Brotherhood by Mike Chen
It makes so much sense to me that Qui Gon and Cordova had some sort of relationship. They both seem to harbor the opinion that the Jedi Council and the majority of Jedi had somewhat lost sight of what was important. It only makes sense that they would build off of each other and reach that point.
Nope only few Jedi that discover the Force ghost, Qui Gon is the first one (not include comic) and even yoda had to learn from him. Codova might not discover it, so he died
@@zakarymcleod1850 yes but as what we got so far, only yoda and obi wan saw qui Gon as force ghost in the clone war the rest is not maybe qui Gon only teach those 2
It'd certainly make sense given Cere appearing as one at the end of the game, she had to learn it from someone and given this connection between Qui-Gon and Cordova it'd track that she learnt it from her old Master.
@@S3Cs4uN8 I don’t think so cause she wasn’t ethereal blue like other ghosts and remember Cal was holding Ceres sabre and his skill lets him see the past with force echo so that explains the ending with Cere about guiding her through the darkness
@@EfecanYSL No that was Cal feeling her soul Echoing through the Force. Due to his proximity to her Pyre and Lightsaber. She wasn't a Force Ghost. Like a normal Force Echo but more intense and powerful. Instead of feeling the past he was able to literally feel his mentor through the Force and hear her speak to him through it. Even though she wasn't able to manifest as a true Force Ghost. Instead of Cere manifesting in the material world as a Force Ghost. Cal's connection to the force was so powerful and intense at that moment that he was able to sense her spirit regardless.
@@lordnihilus4845 That is possible, however it is a bit odd that they'd include the appearance of her spirit for what would normally just be an line of spoken dialogue.
@@dustinakadustin I mean I'm not ready for jokes about that yet. I've never cared about *that* happening to characters until then. I played the game for three days straight after release though to gain immunity to spoilers. Also to enjoy the game lol
Did an INCREDIBLE job. Enjoying the new game+ a lot too. The badge to spawn in more difficult enemies/more quantity of enemies does a really good job of making the game not so easy in NG+
When I got this dialogue I re load the game cause I forgot to mute my PS5 remote and when I heard qui gon get mentioned I swore like eno knew Effin qui gon jinn that’s Effin awesome i fanned out
It’s cause their mavericks who see the force as the force and not following the whims to what the Jedi dogma is that’s why the force gave Cordova visions of the Jedi’s destruction it’s great cause qui gon is my fav jedi to yoda and re born Revan
Of course he did. Every important character knows every other important character and everyone always ends up on Tatooine at some point. For a gigantic galaxy, the Star Wars world can be awfully small.
Truly one of the best games of this year. Like you can find it all in here. It's such a game I can't even imagine like just wow. It's got me at a loss of words
There’s the duelist sabre which is inspired by count dooku and there’s Eno Cordova sabre haha would be cool if count dooku got mentioned by Cordova but you can make both sabres to have Cordova and duelist sabre for the vibe
I can definitely see Qui-Gon and Cordova liking one another. Both kind, compassionate and really interested in the force itself, to a point of being a bit cut off from the rest of the order.
You just need to be at the end of Jedha chapter 2 the one part where cal and Merrin have their romance and just talk to Cordova a lot he will give you quests rumours and then keep talking him and the dialogue open I got passed the 2nd rumor quest where we open the 2nd temple quiz and I kept re spawning from archive and outside to reset to see how many forms I could talk to him and I got this interaction
Cordova and Qui-Gon both remind me of old dudes who were hippies in their day, and still have that counterculture outlook even though they aren't off their tits on shrooms anymore
Makes so much sense that those two would’ve been friends. Neither of them liked what the Jedi had become and both were frustrated with the Council’s stubborn inability to see beyond their own “wisdom.” And like Qui-Gon, Cordova was one of the few who was open-minded enough for the Force to grant some foresight to the fall of the Republic. Bode deserved worse than a double tap for killing Cordova.
When you realise Jedi survivor & the kenobi series take place in the same year so qui gon had just learned how to become a force ghost around this time
The twist with Cordova being alive was genuinely so clever, we all assumed he was dead in fallen order and the reveal he wasn’t was a good subversion of expectations Then they kill him off the literal second he stops being useful to the plot about the Mcguffin and waste him
Hey, just make sure to add a spoiler warning to your comment just in case someone else happens to come across this message and hasn’t gotten that far into the game
Real talk, the few times Qui Gon is brought up post Phantom Menace in the Star Wars series as a whole, he’s often spoken of as a real nice guy. Almost makes me wish he didn’t go out like he did.
No one's gonna talk about "with your first, Young Master"? I adore that Cordova is acknowledging Cal's growth and this feels like he's implying Cal is either ready to take on an apprentice or at least be a Jedi Master in his own right. Or is that just me?
Kata, his (and Merrin's) now adopted daughter and likely apprentice. I imagine she'll be taught both the Jedi way and Nightsister magick. And then make a game around that once Cal's story is over.
Well I think he’s in his mid 60s now yeah he “survived” cause he was in the Unknown regions when order 66 happened and This game is set in 9BBY which is exactly 1yr after obi wan
It's crazy how the Jedi Order lost most of its "reformist" Masters, either through death or exile, accelerating the fall of the Order. We can only guess what would have happened if Qui-Gon was still alive...
Btw there is also a Obi-Wan reference. In the Jheda desert there are some force echos where you can clearly hear his voice and if you pay attenion to what he speaks of, its makes even more sense
If they weren’t caught off guard by their clones (sensed order 66 through the force) then many surviving isn’t unreasonable, Vader easily handles most Jedi, he exterminated 10 Jedi in one encounter
"yes, i knew him. he had a particular set of skills"
“He will find you and he will kill you”
Skills that make him a nightmare for people like you
Dude, you’re a genius they should’ve put that in there, WHY!
Skills I have acquired while stepping outside the norms of the Jedi order 😂😜
"If you let me train the boy, that will be the end of it..."
What a generation of Jedi! Cordova, Qui Gon, Mace Windu, Plo Koon, and many others.
Though nothing compared to the likes of tor jedi
What generation?
*laughs in order 66*
Mace windu was a kiss ass let’s be honest
Packed cast.
@@THATDOODJOHNEEDARKOyep
Nice to know Qui-Gon is still revered even decades after his death.
I love this lore development. These games are amazing
It's pretty thin lore though...
@@derrickstorm6976 so?
@@derrickstorm6976 It's definitely not, but go ahead and nitpick about everything because "woke Star Wars," or whatever Nazi bullshit you're peddling.
@@derrickstorm6976 i know how many fucking jedi are surviving order 66 is ridiculous
@@hellcapidan9772 Go play something else then. Go invest time in a different story if it's so bad.
I'm glad Qui Gon is getting some recognition as of late.
Liam has been wanting to reprise the role every since 99 he was only killed off because he was too tall physically and cost the production of the movie to go up tremendously due to them having to build sets 2 feet taller and that never sat well with him he wanted to keep the character going
He might be the most important character besides Anakin. He was the one who found Anakin, told the council about Darth Maul and rediscovered becoming a force ghost. He was also Dooku's padawan, and that bond caused Dooku to turn to the dark side but also not kill Obi-Wan.
@@savannahreed3186 And he was one of the first reasons why Anakins fall began in first place. He was his first fatherly figure and his death must have been an impact itself but also made the good-jedi-bad-teacher Obi-Wan Anakins master
@@-thebatman-where did you hear that?
@@cammongo3525 documentary on the making of the film and interviews with him and Lucas
Qui-Gon would’ve been dead for 23 years at this point. He was 48 when he died so he’d be pretty old at 71.
But then why did cal say "you as a youngling with master qui-gon"? Wouldn't that line imply that Cordova is much younger than qui-gon?
@MannyK maybe cordova is actually like 50 or something and he just aged like fine milk
@@Aussie_Jesus_Christ Idk, to me it looks like he has 5 hp left
@@Aussie_Jesus_Christ he looks like he's 1 shot
@@mannyk7100 2 shot*
It’s good to see some of the best characters mentioned after these many years all around the StarWars universe.
No offense why he's great again his literal only point in the movie is to die
@@zarrstrudeltributemaker314 he trained obi wan
@@zarrstrudeltributemaker314 Qui Gon was a maverick in the Order especially with how things were being conducted. Instead of following the will of the senate he followed the will of the force. He was not so blind to the things that were happening around him and with time he more than likely would’ve found out the Sith Grand Plan. Not only being the padawan to Count Dooku as well as the master to ObiWan, but also the first individual to preserve his consciousness after his physical death. Yes he died so soon in the phantom menace, but his legacy kept going with making sure the Chosen One would fulfill the prophesy.
@@zarrstrudeltributemaker314 Clearly you haven't seen Tales of The Jedi.
@@zarrstrudeltributemaker314 reason he’s one of the best is cause he’s not bound by the arrogance or dogma of the order if he trained anakin then anakin wouldn’t of fallen to the dark side easily he’s bound the knowledge and will of the force which puts him at odds with the council and he instructed yoda on his spiritual self
It’s cool to hear this and do also hear the confirmation of how Cal did meet Anakin. “He continued watching Anakin, who took a moment to gather himself before stopping to talk with Jaro Tapal and the red-haired youngling who trailed him.”-Star Wars Brotherhood by Mike Chen
Woah no way
"I've heard stories about Master Qui Gon! You know him?"
"Of course I know him! He's me!"
Somehow Qui Gon Jinn returned 💀
It makes so much sense to me that Qui Gon and Cordova had some sort of relationship. They both seem to harbor the opinion that the Jedi Council and the majority of Jedi had somewhat lost sight of what was important. It only makes sense that they would build off of each other and reach that point.
He’s with Qui-Gon now… 😭😭😭
Nope only few Jedi that discover the Force ghost, Qui Gon is the first one (not include comic) and even yoda had to learn from him. Codova might not discover it, so he died
@Monykrisna Or if he knew Qui Gon and Qui Gon is the one who taught it to Yoda and Obiwan as a force ghost, then he could have taught Cordova too.
@@zakarymcleod1850 yes but as what we got so far, only yoda and obi wan saw qui Gon as force ghost in the clone war the rest is not maybe qui Gon only teach those 2
@@Fiture_Krisna well, it seems like at least Cere became a force ghost
Damn it, Bode!! 😠 😢
If there is a third game, Cordova might be back as a Force ghost to guide Cal, having learned the technique from Qui-gon after death.
It'd certainly make sense given Cere appearing as one at the end of the game, she had to learn it from someone and given this connection between Qui-Gon and Cordova it'd track that she learnt it from her old Master.
@@S3Cs4uN8 everyone's a fucking force ghost now..
@@S3Cs4uN8 I don’t think so cause she wasn’t ethereal blue like other ghosts and remember Cal was holding Ceres sabre and his skill lets him see the past with force echo so that explains the ending with Cere about guiding her through the darkness
@@EfecanYSL No that was Cal feeling her soul Echoing through the Force. Due to his proximity to her Pyre and Lightsaber. She wasn't a Force Ghost.
Like a normal Force Echo but more intense and powerful. Instead of feeling the past he was able to literally feel his mentor through the Force and hear her speak to him through it. Even though she wasn't able to manifest as a true Force Ghost.
Instead of Cere manifesting in the material world as a Force Ghost. Cal's connection to the force was so powerful and intense at that moment that he was able to sense her spirit regardless.
@@lordnihilus4845 That is possible, however it is a bit odd that they'd include the appearance of her spirit for what would normally just be an line of spoken dialogue.
Dang I missed this convo, I did have a cool one which confirmed that Jaro Tapal was Yaddle’s padawan
Yup another bit of info is that Yaddle was there during the high republic days
@@Theemptythroneistaken yep, lots of awesome details
@@Dom_510 Makes me wonder what she thought of Dagan Gera
@@Theemptythroneistaken probably wasn’t a huge fan of him, likely cause of how headstrong and impulsive he was
Qui Gon Jinn is so underrated. He's the best Jedi.
They do seem very similar tbh
Yeah.. they’re both wise, strong…..
Spoiler
Dead 💀
@@jeremiahscott2032 come on man it's too soon
@@ThePigeon5734he did put a warning
@@dustinakadustin I mean I'm not ready for jokes about that yet. I've never cared about *that* happening to characters until then. I played the game for three days straight after release though to gain immunity to spoilers. Also to enjoy the game lol
@@ThePigeon5734 🤷🏾♂️
There’s so much lore if you just take the time to talk to people and read some of the data entries you scan. Respawn did a really nice job💯
I respect Respawn Not EA though! I hate them, don't care if they publish this game. So glad they lost the license.
Did an INCREDIBLE job. Enjoying the new game+ a lot too. The badge to spawn in more difficult enemies/more quantity of enemies does a really good job of making the game not so easy in NG+
"Young master" That must've made Cal feel so good lol
Darth Vader seething right now
@@takeo_624 "It's outrageous... unfair!"
Makes sense why Vader was so pissed in the fight with Cere.
I smiled like a jackass from ear-to-ear when he brought up Qui-Gon. Couldn't help myself.
When I got this dialogue I re load the game cause I forgot to mute my PS5 remote and when I heard qui gon get mentioned I swore like eno knew Effin qui gon jinn that’s Effin awesome i fanned out
This makes sense. They're both unorthodox consulars interested in the living force that opposed the council and saw the faults in the system.
It’s cause their mavericks who see the force as the force and not following the whims to what the Jedi dogma is that’s why the force gave Cordova visions of the Jedi’s destruction it’s great cause qui gon is my fav jedi to yoda and re born Revan
I got this JUST before the "check on Cordova's progress" part so this hit so hard once that happened.
"I have so much to ask you." 😭
Big oof....Haha
Same man. I feel like they wanted you to talk to him before you progressed through the story
Bra'tac and Qui Gon make a good teamup.
I had to look up who bra tac is XD and he’s a Jaffa master😂😂
Everytime I see Cordova my dad and I yell, Bra'tac!
I thought he looked familiar lol
Indeed
Holy shit Cordova knew Qui Gon?
And Jaro Tapal was Padawan of Yaddle
@@granalmirantethrawn2972 What was he really?
@@andrewcabral963 yeah I posted the video in here it’s called master yaddle and Jarro topal reference it’s pretty cool
Cordova good friends with qui gon and master yaddle trained Jarro Topal
Of course he did. Every important character knows every other important character and everyone always ends up on Tatooine at some point. For a gigantic galaxy, the Star Wars world can be awfully small.
Truly one of the best games of this year. Like you can find it all in here. It's such a game I can't even imagine like just wow. It's got me at a loss of words
Now I'm trying to imagine Dooku giving Cordova lightsaber training lessons.
There’s the duelist sabre which is inspired by count dooku and there’s Eno Cordova sabre haha would be cool if count dooku got mentioned by Cordova but you can make both sabres to have Cordova and duelist sabre for the vibe
I love Qui Gon. One of my favorite jedi ever, easily in my top three. Read comics about the guy, and he kicks so much ass.
Deep down, we know Cal just wanted to master his force dash and metal door opening technique
Did he really said "Young Master" to Cal? Man if Anakin heard this he would be so salty af..
That's why he burned the archive!
I reckon Bode told Vader about that to make him angrier
When is he not salty
Of course he would! How could they do this? This is outrageous! It's unfair!
"he and I were lovers " sounds like he is having one of those sort of memories haha
I love how last year we got mentions of both Master and Apprentice in The Mandalorian and Jedi Survivor.
I totally missed this interaction! thats so cool!
“Well of course i know him. He’s me” *rips off skin mask to reveal quigon is alive*
Was hoping he would've mentioned Dooku as well
Same love to hear dooku but haven’t seen it or heard it pop up
Flipped my lid when i got this. Would love to see Qui-Gon again, maybe during his days before he met Obi-Wan and maybe even while training him
Tec Ma Tay Master Bra'tac
Stuff like this is how you can tell Respawn actually gets and cares about Star Wars
Young master? Cal officially has something Anakin never could. Rank of master 😂
Darth Vader: I took that personally
I can definitely see Qui-Gon and Cordova liking one another. Both kind, compassionate and really interested in the force itself, to a point of being a bit cut off from the rest of the order.
I don't think I heard this and I never missed a chance to talk to anyone.
You just need to be at the end of Jedha chapter 2 the one part where cal and Merrin have their romance and just talk to Cordova a lot he will give you quests rumours and then keep talking him and the dialogue open I got passed the 2nd rumor quest where we open the 2nd temple quiz and I kept re spawning from archive and outside to reset to see how many forms I could talk to him and I got this interaction
If you run out of dialogue, sometimes new interactions become available if you leave the area and come back.
Qui-Gon was a Coruscanti in the Disney canon? Interesting tidbit of information which I didn’t know about!
Actually it’s also confirmed in the tales of the Jedi count dooku mentioned he was born on Coruscant
He has a very particular set of skills
“I do remember Qui Gon. He got beat up for buying a box of Trix.”
Everytime I come to the archive I always speak to everyone but i’ve never had this conversation with cordova
"Young master"
Coming from cordova feels like a massive honor. For some reason it holds more weight than other people to me.
"Yes, I knew him. He was killed by the greatest lightsaber wielder who ever lived."
So glad Cordova was an actual character in this game, and not just a bunch of holograms. Really enjoyed getting to know his character a lot more.
I always enjoy it when my favorite jedi is brought up
When BD-1 said "Boop," I really felt that.
Shame I didn’t get to hear this voice line while I could
the voice acting is seriously so good
"Qui-Gon Jinn and I enjoyed a close friendship." "You knew him?" "What did I just say?"
Cordova and Qui-Gon both remind me of old dudes who were hippies in their day, and still have that counterculture outlook even though they aren't off their tits on shrooms anymore
Master Bra’tac talking about Qui-Gon. Excellent.
Didnt feel like the most natural name drop ever but nice enough
“And he was a good friend”
Awesome, it’s cool to know Qui-Gon & Cordova were good friends
Which would mean Cordova met Dooku as well
@@Theemptythroneistaken hell yea that’s dope to think about 🔥
After he died I immediately regretted not talking to him more.
Makes so much sense that those two would’ve been friends. Neither of them liked what the Jedi had become and both were frustrated with the Council’s stubborn inability to see beyond their own “wisdom.” And like Qui-Gon, Cordova was one of the few who was open-minded enough for the Force to grant some foresight to the fall of the Republic. Bode deserved worse than a double tap for killing Cordova.
I also found a force echo of count dooku while exploring in the Jeddah ruins.
When you realise Jedi survivor & the kenobi series take place in the same year so qui gon had just learned how to become a force ghost around this time
Would’ve of been cool if qui gon appeared in the game
The twist with Cordova being alive was genuinely so clever, we all assumed he was dead in fallen order and the reveal he wasn’t was a good subversion of expectations
Then they kill him off the literal second he stops being useful to the plot about the Mcguffin and waste him
Hey, just make sure to add a spoiler warning to your comment just in case someone else happens to come across this message and hasn’t gotten that far into the game
This dude was friends with Qui-gon? Everything from the first game makes sense now!
any Qui Gon Jin reference is a blessin
If Cordova remained alive, Luke would have had the best teaching experience from him.
That's... quite a weird answer from him
- How was it at the temple ?
- Qui-Gonn and I were friends
tealc is crying in the back
Hey, that's Father from Fallout 4.
If after talking to Cordova for a bit, Cal reveals that his own master Topal was padawan to master Yaddle.
Yup that vid is also posted in
Real talk, the few times Qui Gon is brought up post Phantom Menace in the Star Wars series as a whole, he’s often spoken of as a real nice guy. Almost makes me wish he didn’t go out like he did.
Qui-Gon, one of the last of the true Jedi
Master Qui Gon, you knew him?
....Yes. He's kinda the Reason why we're in this Mess.
The Star Wars universive really is as big as Ed, Edd n Eddy
No one's gonna talk about "with your first, Young Master"?
I adore that Cordova is acknowledging Cal's growth and this feels like he's implying Cal is either ready to take on an apprentice or at least be a Jedi Master in his own right.
Or is that just me?
Yeah, it was the first thing that got my eye "young master"
Kata, his (and Merrin's) now adopted daughter and likely apprentice. I imagine she'll be taught both the Jedi way and Nightsister magick. And then make a game around that once Cal's story is over.
Crazy how Cordova survived this long.
Well I think he’s in his mid 60s now yeah he “survived” cause he was in the Unknown regions when order 66 happened and This game is set in 9BBY which is exactly 1yr after obi wan
@@lordnihilus4845Obi-Wan Kenobi & Jedi Survivor both happen in 10BBY
@@CLADZEJAYKAY it sets 5yrs after fallen order which was at 14BBY that means it’s 9BBY obi wan happened around 10BBY
Echo Lord Nihilus is right this game takes place 1 year after Obi Wan.
If Eno Cordova was a friend of Qui Gon Jinn, then I imagine he knows Obi Wan Kenobi
i love it so much that fucking BRA'TAC from Star SG-1 is a Jedi ❤
I totally missed this dialog thank you for sharing
If Qui-Gon lived, Anakin would have never fallen to the Dark Side and become Vader.
Khadgar talking to Cal. What a time to be alive!
Ah, even when the Order was in decline it had so many greats in its ranks. Now they're all gone..........
And he was a good friend
He called Cal a master. Vader is most certainly gonna kill him now
I did this dialogue before the cutscene because I like to see what they say before I continue… and then it happened
We need this to be a stanc ein the next Respawn Star Wars Jedi game
Thank you for this. I somehow missed this conversation, and now I can't ask him. I do plan on playing again though.
Cordova would have been a great Jedi to train under.
Think of how much of the galaxy you'd be exploring. :-D
Nice to know that someone else knew Qui-Gon. We all know Obi-Wan messes him.
What a connection! I must have missed that. I really appreciate the connection! That just rounds out this character so much more.
Don’t want to sound like Yosemite Sam but it’s true. Always enjoy the little things. Quote from zombie land
He should have said " knowledge is power"
I for some reason didn't play out the dialogue sequences for him, I would've totally geeked out if I heard Qui Gon's name drop
It's crazy how the Jedi Order lost most of its "reformist" Masters, either through death or exile, accelerating the fall of the Order. We can only guess what would have happened if Qui-Gon was still alive...
Judging on Qui-Gon’s age, I’m guessing that Cordova is in his mid 70s at the time of Jedi survivor
Btw there is also a Obi-Wan reference. In the Jheda desert there are some force echos where you can clearly hear his voice and if you pay attenion to what he speaks of, its makes even more sense
No that’s not him
@@adamabuh it is. its in the cave with the campfire. also in the obi wan series he cooperates with the hidden path
@@bojanlorber611 it’s not his voice
Who knew the leader of the Institute was friends with Qui-Gon
Grand Master Braytak is looking well
Nice tie in to Tales of the Jedi
Was asked about Jedi Order, he answers about Qui Gon Jinn, like the question was specifically about him.
It's amazing how much an Extra, touched a lot of People.. 😅
Cal: Master Cordova, how did Qui gon die?
Cordova: A young Sith Lord named Darth Maul killed him…
The best dialogue is when you find out Cordova had a crush on Yaddle 🤣
Should never be this many jedi surviving imo
Why at the time of the empire i think there where 200-300 jedis alive
If they weren’t caught off guard by their clones (sensed order 66 through the force) then many surviving isn’t unreasonable, Vader easily handles most Jedi, he exterminated 10 Jedi in one encounter