Review: Zero Compromise Optics vs Tangent Theta
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- ZCO420 vs Tangent Theta 525P
These 2 scopes are some of the most highly regarded scopes in the industry. I'm comparing these from a PRS perspective.
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ZCO MPCT3X is unbeatable for me, IMO. The TT is amazing, but the reticle options swing me to ZCO all day. Both in terms of function and the fact that they’re fully illuminated.
Excellent and thorough review with very practical application for real world use. Probably the best I’ve seen in that regard. Much appreciated, covertnoob5! See you on SH- regards, Desert Raven
azgocats thanks much appreciated!!! And thanks for watching!
Great review, happy I found your channel.
Why does everyone do scope reviews without telling us their opinion on the glass clarity?
because as he said he doesn't even care about CA 😂
Good review thank you! The turrets are really different while zcomp still seems great. TT is money.
Great comparison
C-grunt thanks for watching! Really appreciate it.
Detent is a matter of personal preference Audible/feel/repeatability.
I get what you are saying though. When I got into shooting I started with a Nikon Prostaff 5. I have worked my way up to a Leupold Mark 5. If I do go up from there Im not sure how much Id go probably bot much. Nice vid man. Looking forward to more!
Good review man. I agree with everything you said having owned it in the 5 to 27 model. Minus your dope dialing technique lol. But good job on the unbiased review. One thing that I would add is that I think we forget when we talk about an eyebox of a scope is how said eyebox depends on the magnification that the scope is set. I have found the 5 to 27 at its mid magnification range (15-18) to be one of the most forgiving eye boxes I have experienced, where it did start to tighten up a bit at 27 power. Tangent is impressive how strong it is even at 25x.
But guys should put a whole lot more emphasis on stuff like this versus anything else. Like you said your hard earned versus industry’s. You should video some of your stuff with Ilya.
Agreed. eye box is absolutely one of the biggest factors for me in a high end scope. I recently bought an ATACR 7-35 and man am I disappointed in the eye box. my Razor 27x is so much better eye box at all mag ranges not just max.
Nice review covert, Tangent turrets are the shit and there is zero comparison. Lol... Had one in the gen 2 XR and would love to get back into another one in a gen 3 XR... see ya on the hide!
Wouldn’t you thing the audible clocks the thicker the spleen the deeper lower tone and the thinner the higher pitched? I’m just trying to understand and make that thought known because you would think you want a deeper audible click than a higher due to rigidness
Spline. Not Spleen. Spline
Spleen is an organ in your body while sline is a mechanism in your scope.
Good God, the parallax comments
Yea that was ear-opening
Great review just got zco527 have not had a chance to put it on my 308 bolt gun yet but really like what I see so far thinking about a scope for the vudoo v-22 I have on order looking at the zco4-20 or TT 3-15
Have not handled the tt an would like your input on these two scopes for the v-22 thank you in advance
John Z
A TT has too high a minimum parallax, which is at 50m, for a .22LR IMO.
Theta turrets are so audible you'll give away your position!
In a battle situation that might be a thing. But a PRS outing it will not make a diff. I own two ZCO's tho and getting ready to get one more but might lean TT for this one haha!
if it's close you use the reticle and you only use the turret when it's far (1000 yards). at that distance they can't hear.
Great review
Awsome scopes.
I looked through a Zcomp this weekend. The one that I looked through, had a very thick busy retical. For shooting long range its was just to thick of a retical. I look and see if they make a better retical but for shooting in competition for accuracy it's just not for me.
Thanks for an awesome review, Have you experienced any tunneling on the ZCO? my S&B 3-20x50-US does not tunnel.
No tunneling which is great. I had a 3-20US for a brief period of time as well. It’s a pretty nice scope as well.
Do you like the MPCT 2 better than the GEN 3 XR?
Covertnoob5 thank you for all your videos. I Just purchased TT525P with Gen3, I see you have a Spuhr QR mount on the TT, would this be model QDP-4006, or QDP-4002, or QDP-4602? I noticed a post that said his Spuhr mount had mared his tube on his TT. I read the Spuhr installation pdf and it referred to applying Rosin to the tube? Do you prefer the PIC mounts versus the QR? I noticed that Ilya prefers Aadmount Mounts and does a youtube video on mounts. The TT525P will be on a Seekins Havak Bravo(KRG stock).
KCshooter10 this particular one was a 1.5” 0 moa model, but I’ve moved on the a ZCO527 so now I use 1.18” Spuhrs. If I went back to a TT I’d use a 1.18” Spuhr. QD is nice and just as good as pic mount in my experience. I’ve never used rosin on my rings and never had issues with Spuhrs. Ilya has more personal reasons for not using Spuhrs than anything.
"Head and shoulders above the rest" maybe?
@covertnoob5 not sure if you mentioned this in the video, but is that cord or tape you've wrapped around your scopes? If so, why? To minimize wear on the body or something?
essequamvideri94 yea just to keep it from scratching less when I pin it up against a barricade or something.
yeah it's a $5,000 scope so anything to protect it helps resale lol
@@Covertnoob5 okay thanks! How do you keep the cord wrapped tight on the scope how do you keep it from slipping off? Going to try this with mine. Also, any recommendations for type of cord? Thanks!
@@essequamvideri94 it’s self adhesive. So it’s a wrap not a cord. Camo form works well.
@@Covertnoob5 any links/recommendations to get some? Didn't find anything when I searched for camo form. Also, if I do sell, does is it easy to get residue off? Thanks and sorry for the bother!
Man.. I'm a huge The fan 2 in.. But the Zcomp on the outer edges of the glass is razor sharp. "hard to explain" Zcomp. Amazing.period. S322
What throw lever is on your TT??
Not able to find one like it
@@claytoole1986 A really cheap one that works similarly is a cat tail www.amazon.com/Breakaway-Nylon-Coaster-Cat-Tail/dp/B00AAIRRTY
What did you wrap on your tube and bell?
What height is the picatinny LRF attachment you're running at front end of your Spuhr mount?
It sits about 1” above the ring cap
The fact that you think dialing to 2 mils then getting back on the scope THEN dialing the last .3 mils is FASTER....is just wrong. It takes wayyyy too much thinking to say to yourself....
"dial to 2.3, but stop at 2, then get on target, then finish dialing while paying attention to those .3 clicks" It would be faster to just dial to 2.3, it would take 1/10th of a second longer without all the nonsense.
Is the TT usable at 25-35yds if the magnification is kept lower like 10x???
Looking to possibly buy a used 5-25 TT for rimfire PRS rig
I’ve seen guys do it, but definitely not my recommendation. I couldn’t get the image super clear. Best to go with the ZCO or Razor 3 if you want a tier 1 scope for NRL22.
@@Covertnoob5 seems like 90% of the shots are between 50-250yds... Just the once in awhile KYL at 25-35yd mark.
Youd still pick the RZR G3 or ZCO over the TT?
I thought the TT had a wider FOV, superior turrets and better glass is why I was leaning that way. Never actually seen a ZCO or a TT in person though which is the hardest part of the decision making process. Running a Cronus BTR G2 now and not real thrilled with its narrow FOV and the glass doesnt seem that special
@@joemeier3644 so for the specific use case of NRL22 I’d take a ZCO over a TT and probably a razor 3 over a TT as well. Few things to consider, you’re going to want a lot of elevation travel with a 50yd zero. ZCO has more than a TT. The razor 3 parallax’s down to 10yds so a KYL rack at 35 you’ll be able to punch in to 36x and really see exactly what’s going on. Not stuck at 10x where you really can’t see much. Also, the razor 3 has a wider fov in my testing than the TT and ZCO. The widest of any scope I’ve tested actually. Glass is really really good as well. Yes TT has the best glass and turrets for sure. But are those going to things going to cost/gain you points compared to the ZCO or R3? No.
Do you find zco 's bold bright Markings helpful in matches?
Umm I mean no but that’s cause I don’t have a problem reading other turrets on other scopes. I actually wish they’d do 10-12 mils per turn instead of 15.
Still love yourZero C scope? I’m considering getting one
Absolutely. Rocking the 840 now and got a 10 mil 527 coming in as well.
Your turret comments compare tactile & audible vs visual, different strokes for different folks...
I got the steiner m5xi for my 22, imo nothing beats it for the money, got it for 2.5k
You serious..... you can get Schmidt fir that price and don’t even tell me that a Steiner is better then a Schmidt. It is not and it’s not close
Awesome video, but honestly have you ever felt a zf 3.5-26 turrets, i think they beat tangent thetas, but besides that scope nothing else even came close
No they don't, I own both
Did you guys ever make the second video?
Andrew Smith I haven’t yet, but I certainly will, now that I’ve run the ZCO in a national match.
Covertnoob5
Sweet man looking forward to it. After both my B25 and B17 went down I’m looking to sell them. It took five weeks start to finish to for the B25 to get fixed and the I was told that the B17 repair will be about eight weeks to repair a known issue...🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Andrew Smith yea never been super impressed with US optics stuff. They’ve gotten passed up by a few companies now.
TT with Tremor 3....oh yeah!!
What tape have you wrapped your scopes with?
Luke Bryce just self adhesive medical tape
@@Covertnoob5 why? and did you wrap the part thats in the rings?
Chicken Nuggets so the scope doesn’t get scratched when out hunting or banging it against a prop. At this point I stopped wrapping them though lol I don’t care how they look anymore. Never wrap the part under the rings. I mount the scope first then wrap it after.
What is on the scopes (that looks like rhino lining)?
It’s just some self adhesive tape from Amazon
Too bad you don’t have a Schmidt for comparison, been industry standard for a long time. I love my PM2, don’t know if these are worth the extra cost. Edit: I paid $2300 flat, for mine new at a retailer btw.
Mr NiceKnife I've owned several s&B's, in addition, was recently able to be part of a big scope review where we had TT, ZCO, S&B, Minox, kahles, Leupold all next to each other for comparison. For $2300 the s&b is an awesome value, best really, provided you like the reticle and configuration. However I would not buy one at $3400. I'd be looking at ZCO or just get a TT.
Covertnoob5 video review? I’d be interested in that. I shoot 1k and have looked at valdadas, nightforce, vortex, Leupold, Swarovski, but not the TT or ZCO. Valdada was probably the best after SB of the ones I’ve seen.
Mr NiceKnife th-cam.com/video/QY8ZBO5mHhw/w-d-xo.html
And we also have a great thread going on snipers hide in the scope section.
@@Covertnoob5 What do you think about the Minox?
@@Covertnoob5 I know these comments have been here for a while. What I dont like about S&B is the tunneling you get at low mag.
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Which do you prefer for PRS style shooting?
Matthew Hoffmann ZCO
I would disagree with that owning both. I don't know how a zcomp that isn't as good optically overall and is edged out in every category in glass and is not close in turret feel edged out a theta for PRS?
UnRaT3Dx it’s not edged out in every category of glass, image distortion yes, but that’s not applicable to PRS really. We don’t spend that much time behind glass to notice. Color I and contrast I actually prefer the ZCO. If you compare both side by side you’ll notice the image of the ZCO a little more poppy and the TT a little less only because it’s presented as a more real color neutral image.
Besides, no one needs TT or ZCO level glass to win. Ask all the guys wining with razors and bushnell. So putting glass quality at the top of a PRS scope isn’t smart.
Also, if turrets are that important how are people winning matches with leupold, uso, and minox? The ZCO because it has a better eyepiece, is slightly easier to get behind at 15x.
Reticle is probably the most important feature at this price point, and while a personal preference, I personally find the mpct2 better suited for PRS.
Of course nothing wrong with the TT at all. I loved all of mine, but decided the ZCO was better for me.
Covertnoob5 I agree no scope wins matches.. a good shooter could win win with a Tasso from Walmart if it stayed working the whole match, but its not really about what wins you matches it’s about what is the better piece of equipment weather it makes you win or not. I really really strongly disagree on your assessment on the glass, I’ve had the z comp for for about a month now and it does not beat my Thetas in any category optically besides the fact at lower magnification the eyebox is slightly better and the image is presented not better but differently in its pop, but the thetas eyebox is better after 15 power and up and the resolution is hands down better in the theta, and that may be the most important part of glass and it’s theta is better at every mag range in resolution. The clarity is also better in theta, while image is poppy in zcomp the clarity in theta is with out a doubt better, especially in mirage and the detail in the theta is noticeably better and I can see things like bullet holes at 700 yards on paper that I can not see in my z comp, and once again in mirage the theta is really ahead of z comp in clarity. so to me the only thing z comp wins in anything looking through glass is the easier eyebox at low magnification, the glass is noticeably better on theta in seeing detail and especially at high power and way better performing in mirage. The only thing z comp wins in over the theta is eyebox at low mag and 2 features that are pretty much useless in locking turrets and illumination that shuts off, and that does not beat out the better glass and and far better turrets and from all the reviews I’ve seen from folks who have both I think you are the only person who has given z comp the edge over theta when it comes to glass, like you said and I agree the z comp has its own way of presenting an image as poppy but all around performing glass and detail and in the tough mirage condition which is key, the Theta does 100% edge z comp out. Not to mention parallax and field of view are also better in the theta. Z comp is world class and I would beat an old lady with a stick if she tried to take mine off my rifle, but the theta does edge z comp out and and I would definitely take the theta with better all around glass and better resolution and better detailed glass in general and especially better in mirage with the best turrets out there over a slightly easier eyebox at low mag and 2 features that to be honest don’t really matter, I never used my locking turret on any Schmidt I’ve owned and never had a turret roll, and self shut of illumination is not something that’s important on a scope.
UnRaT3Dx I’m not saying the ZCO is better with glass overall, I’m simply saying the difference between the 2 isn’t not enough that I would consider it significant especially in a PRS perspective. The TT wins in certain glass categories yes.
Sure the TT is better from 20x and above, but in PRS you should very rarely be at that much mag. Unless your Pynch and I don’t know it.
And maybe auto illum off isn’t important to you but it is to me. I’ve had my illum turn on when flying to matches. And if you shoot a night match, it would also be one less thing to remember.
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Haha the theta better have good turrets it’s 6000$
88decor it’s only $4600 here in the US. Not sure where you are
Covertnoob5 I live where they are built Canada
Same, just paid 7,000$ for mine in Canada after tax
It sucks here.