For those that don't understand the brass market: Less than 100 of these were produced. The cost of the production run is divided by the number of models made. That's how it's been with brass for years now. We're starting to see the same thing in plastic with the pre-order system. They take reservations and build that many models. You can't run a project like this and make 100 extra models. Your profit sits in a warehouse waiting to be sold. This way lies bankruptcy. Having collected brass for over 20 years and having experience with large steamers (2-10-4 and large articulateds) yes, it's true, your new model will need to be tuned to your layout. I wouldn't attempt to run this model on anything less than 36" radius curves. No, it won't go over your Atlas plastic re-railer. :) Brass is a soft metal. The ladders can be gently bent outwards. If your track can't accommodate the sanding lines, then you can trim them. Nobody will notice. It's true that probably a large percentage of these will end up in display cases and never turn a wheel on a layout. The builders are walking a fine line, building for prototype accuracy for collectors while trying their best to make the model operable. This means some level of compromise, and some skills as a tinker/mechanic if you want to operate them. All of mine work for a living. If you can't deal with this, stay away from brass! It's a beautiful piece, and at that price point, it's above my budget ceiling, but I'm glad they did one for those with the bucks!
Thanks for commenting about Brass market :) We're building brass models very few quantities and shipping to brass importers so it makes each model's price very expensive 😅
Thanks Alan, you are spot on. It's not for everybody. It's for those that can handle it properly, take care of business and not gripe about some of the small imperfections. That's the nature of this beast.
to produce one in 0 scale would have to list price it for at least 14 thousand to stay in business. When I look at a brass locomotive at the Model Shop, I get inspired to go out to the shop and build one out of brass castings, after I make the tooling patterns first. This is good therapy.
This is going to sound incredibly odd, but there is one of these exact models ( and many others) in a display in my house. The house was inherited from a deceased relative and he really enjoyed model trains. I had no idea the value…
There are days I am very glad to not model the UP in Wyoming (or other areas the turbines were used) in the 60s. This is one of the them. It is a gorgeous model.
What beautiful craftsmanship. Lazy on the engineering of the sand lines, ladders and operation. All in all, I’m glad that you have it - it will only increase in value . Enjoy.
You gotta love the railroads Union Pacific being one of the few especially when it came to trying out these massive unusual locomotives that they tested to see if it was worth purchasing for their lines to keep up with the demand and most of this stuff didn’t actually work out and when it did very few built! It’s even more awesome when a model train manufacturer goes all out with the crazy details these things had a push to the Scale limit! HO-Scale being one of those limits! The other railroads that come to mind on trying out these crazy ideas were Milwaukee Railroad, Southern Pacific, Pennsylvania Railroad, Santa Fe, New York Central, Baltimore & Ohio, Canadian National & Chicago Illinois Central
Nice Model , thanks for the review. For everyone commenting on the price, an Aster Live steam Big Boy in 1/32 scale costs $15,000.00 dollars for the kit. A ready to run model years back would be $25,000.00. They sold everyone they built. They still command a premium price on the used market.
What an absolutely amazing piece of railroad modelling! Sadly I can't afford it at the moment, my 2K$ worth UP Big Blow Ho GTEL was the top of my budget, but you never know...
Yeah, for 6K you'd expect they'd expect the user may have imperfections on their track and check the unit before shipping. As for operation, for 6K that puppy will be running on every scheduled run on my layout.
Impressive for sure. Like you said it's more of a piece of art than anything else. My .02 pesos here on it. 6k and lights don't work, class lights in single color, things need trimming, things need bent to operate. For that price that thing better be immaculate and in running operating order. I can't stomach that. I see people all the time saying that damage, missing parts, operational difficulties are acceptable in the plastic shelled realm of trains. I don't get it. Go buy a brand new car (yes even with today's bloated prices) and tell me you wouldn't return the car if it had scratches, missing parts, damaged parts, or you couldn't drive in because of an assembly issue. That's the mentality some have these days. They'll just pay and accept what is given to them. /rant off 🤣 This was a great review. It is a gorgeous unit(s).
It is a beautiful model and you are right about it being an art and having to choose between collectors and operators. But people also have to step up their game as far as their track work and so you might need to tweak and tune it a little bit. But I think we should all be thankful that the importers are at least having these made the alternative is you could always scratch build one yourself so don't look the gift horse in the mouth.
I had one of these in N scale and between this and my DD40 lash ups where the most popular trains at train shows. I ran two DD40's with two or three SD40-2's in the middle.
I'm glad you actually ran this instead of letting it sit like everyone else. This model was meant to run or they would not have given it the capability to do so.
Mine would not run on 32" radius, the B trucks are the issue. I removed them to make sure the rest would run ok and it does just fine. I am waiting on some info from DP and plan to enlarge the transverse slot 40 thousandths to alow more lateral movement of those trucks. Others have shown that loosening the B trucks mounting screw and lightly bending the end ladders out they have ran down to 30" radius as well. I did a preorder and it was under 5k for mine.
Got the things you have to do to get a train running nowadays. Everything in the world have to have a remote control these days. O42 is the radius I have to run my scale length Williams Pennsylvania gg1 Electric.
And maybe add in some kind of improvement to help the trucks and wheels to move laterally and especially the leading truck on the tender and remove the Sand nozzles up a bit to provide clearance
Beautiful looking locomotive! But for that price it would want to run flawlessly not need adjustments. It would also need to make impeccable coffee ☕️ too.😮
The tender originally served Union Pacific Challenger number 3590 the B units came from the frame of great Northern electric number 5018. I don’t know the original number of the unit when I was in Alco PA but the number can be traced from the Pentrex DVD Union Pacific‘s Mighty Turbines
I remember when the HO-scale was commercially pushed as the next big thing in model railroading. It was aimed directly at boys aged 5 to 13 as a usable toy, with the intention their parents would buy them the pre-packaged train-sets for Christmas and birthdays. Triang and later Tyco were the main producers of North American style rolling-stock back-in-the-day. The electric locomotives and the electrical connections on the track were frequently 'temperamental' right out of the box. Yet, for an entire set with engine, cars, track and power unit it was only $25 to $45. Now these trains are reproduced in brass, with exquisite detailing and advanced electronics at a price of $6100.00, but they still require after-market modifications to run on a simple model railroad track layout...why???
Everybody wants fine art, but that is what you get - tough to handle, tough to run, tough to keep running and brutally expensive. When you see really good plastic, diecast or hybrid, they are better to own for most people.
I know exactly what James is on about. I bought an OMI version fitted with dcc/sound for around the same price which equates to 11k NZ. It's not a good runner on small layouts, you really need big curves & I mean BIG. As James explained the manufacturer built it to prototypical standards & what you see is what you get. There's a guy on TH-cam who uses the name RCGRABAG, he has one (HO) & it looks like a great runner, even on curves. I'm sending mine back to the US for some modifications so it can run properly.
@@truckerkevthepaidtourist I don't do credit card debt. Learned that lesson as a 19 year old when I racked up thousands on a girlfriend and got a second job to pay it off. 😆
I am actually amazed that brass engines are still being made, modern plastic engines are gorgeous and much more affordable. But I do understand this will probably never be made in plastic being only one engine.
The big Union Pacific turbines we're powered by bunker C oil with the increased use of plastics bunker C oil increased in price to where it was not economical to use anymore.
Well, if it runs well for more than ten minutes, then it’s already doing better than the real turbine did! That one spent more time in the shop than on the mainline.
jlwii , saw your video re the MTH G scale Big Boy and was able to snag one. What a great model. Re this specific engine (Division Point Coal Turbine) .. great looking engine and I get the collector "panache" but holy cow .. if I can get a Broadway Limited or 3rd Rail for a 6th the price (with 80-90% of the detail) that would be my choice. Now if you can show me a detailed spread sheet re this company's specific trains appreciating over time (that outperforms other investment options) then I'll buy and hold.
This looks very similar to the Overland Models version that was made in the 80's or 90's, of which I think, were only 70 made and I have only seen one in my life.
No smoke units? Or don't they not do that in HO scale? You would think with all the bells and whistles it has and being $6,100 God I can't believe that price. I know it's limited-production but still.
The smaller the Run day makes a higher per unit price. If they could make more to where the price was lower than more people would be buying them and would put deposits on them in order to get the locomotive. I find a Union Pacific turbine locomotive experiments to be fascinating but for me I would buy the Mike's train house Premier model for 1/4 of the price but even that is expensive. It is a shame the engine was not successful in Revenue Service. Railroads are very vulnerable to fluctuating diesel prices and shortages. We have thousands of years of coal even if we went back to having everything coal-powered. Nazi Germany turn coal into a liquid fuel they could run tanks on because Hitler told them to and they did it. If we had told the Arabs screw the quadrupling of the price of oil and built c o a l gasification plant the Arabs would have a sign saying would sell oil for food. That would have given us energy Independence and we would still have nice big American cars that put tons of people to work with good union jobs and benefits.
So I've gotta ask, does Division Point send you a model to review or did you have to buy it yourself? Because thats crazy! Beautiful model nonetheless.
I hate to think how much work it would be to put crew figures in the cab. Any and all of my locomotives that run on my layout have cab figures. Especially since it has a cab interior.
It is a shame that they did not preserve it for historical Shake because it was the only one. They could have put it in one of their many round houses that they have remaining from the steam days. I give them credit the Union Pacific experimented with locomotives and new-type fuels such as coal or natural gas. They are such a railroad.
While I do think this is an incredible model, I think the price might be a tiny bit too high. I understand that it’s a brass model but that price of $6100 seems absolutely absurd. I can buy almost four of those 12-car Lionel O-gauge Union Pacific rocket booster transport sets for the same price as this single locomotive. But hey, what do I know? I’m just a simple 14-year-old.
Always the risk you gota take with these limited runs. Youv'e no chance of waiting for reviews of others, sometimes you just gota go for it or you miss out. One thing is fairly certain though, it should hold its value.
This from the wiki on the train and very interesting history for those that wanted to know more In October 1962, Union Pacific constructed an experimental GTEL of its own, using a modified ALCO PA-1 as a cab, the chassis of a GN W-1-class electric locomotive (bought for scrap from the Great Northern Railway) as the second unit, and a modified turbine prime mover removed from one of the 50 to 75 series locomotives. The consist had an A1A-A1A+2-D+D-2, wheel arrangement, 18 axles of which 12 were powered. The PA-1's 2,000 hp (1.5 MW) diesel engine was retained and the B unit carried the main power plant for the main generators, which contributed 5,000 hp (3.7 MW) for a total power output of 7,000 hp (5.2 MW). The coal tender was rebuilt from that of Challenger steam locomotive number 3990. The setup was numbered 80, but changed to 8080 in 1965 to avoid conflict with the new EMD DD35s then being introduced.[13] The blade erosion and soot build-up problems encountered in the earlier locomotives were magnified with the coal turbine. Grinding coal into fine particles was also troublesome but necessary because any oversized coal particles could damage the turbine blades. Ultimately, the experiment was declared a failure and was scrapped after spending only 20 months in service. The conventional gas turbines each racked up well over 1,000,000 miles (1,600,000 km) in revenue service but the coal turbine prototype ran less than 10,000 miles (16,000 km) before being struck from the UP roster on March 15, 1968. The PA-1 control unit was traded to EMD, while the turbine unit and tender were scrapped at the Omaha shops.
in real life, I WONDER IF Union pacific would think it would be cheaper to run the turbine rather than say, a four engine latch, on a coal train, or whatever it is they hall with over a houndred cars for.
The ALCO was used ONLY when the turbine WASN'T running ... When the TURBINE was running , the ALCO WAS NOT USED like what most people think... Just like the super turbine ,,, the 850 hp was not used while the turbine was being used ....
It makes you wonder if they had it at $3,000 maybe they might have ten times the orders that they would have would it be priced at $6,000. Do you think Santa will bring you this for Christmas if you're a good boy?
Now I know what I have to buy to get my divorce started this will do it
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I told my wife it was $29.99 plus tax.
Exactly! 😂
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For those that don't understand the brass market: Less than 100 of these were produced. The cost of the production run is divided by the number of models made. That's how it's been with brass for years now. We're starting to see the same thing in plastic with the pre-order system. They take reservations and build that many models. You can't run a project like this and make 100 extra models. Your profit sits in a warehouse waiting to be sold. This way lies bankruptcy. Having collected brass for over 20 years and having experience with large steamers (2-10-4 and large articulateds) yes, it's true, your new model will need to be tuned to your layout. I wouldn't attempt to run this model on anything less than 36" radius curves. No, it won't go over your Atlas plastic re-railer. :) Brass is a soft metal. The ladders can be gently bent outwards. If your track can't accommodate the sanding lines, then you can trim them. Nobody will notice. It's true that probably a large percentage of these will end up in display cases and never turn a wheel on a layout. The builders are walking a fine line, building for prototype accuracy for collectors while trying their best to make the model operable. This means some level of compromise, and some skills as a tinker/mechanic if you want to operate them. All of mine work for a living. If you can't deal with this, stay away from brass! It's a beautiful piece, and at that price point, it's above my budget ceiling, but I'm glad they did one for those with the bucks!
Thanks for commenting about Brass market :)
We're building brass models very few quantities and shipping to brass importers so it makes each model's price very expensive 😅
Wry well said.
Very well said
Thanks Alan, you are spot on. It's not for everybody. It's for those that can handle it properly, take care of business and not gripe about some of the small imperfections. That's the nature of this beast.
to produce one in 0 scale would have to list price it for at least 14 thousand to stay in business. When I look at a brass locomotive at the Model Shop, I get inspired to go out to the shop and build one out of brass castings, after I make the tooling patterns first. This is good therapy.
As an O Scaler, I can’t begin to tell you how impressed I am by this model. Simply stunning & beautiful.
This is going to sound incredibly odd, but there is one of these exact models ( and many others) in a display in my house. The house was inherited from a deceased relative and he really enjoyed model trains. I had no idea the value…
There are days I am very glad to not model the UP in Wyoming (or other areas the turbines were used) in the 60s. This is one of the them. It is a gorgeous model.
yep, would be pricey to model that area/time and this doesn't help.
What beautiful craftsmanship. Lazy on the engineering of the sand lines, ladders and operation. All in all, I’m glad that you have it - it will only increase in value . Enjoy.
The real ones had a darker green on the nose tops to help reduce the glare from the sun. The EMD DD40X's had a green nose hood color also.
Other collectors: "hey careful, I don't want the box to get any fingerprints on it"
jlwii2000: "let's see just how much this thing can pull"
People who worry about fingerprints are so Germaphobic. They should know that Eventually, All Models will get fingerprints on them, Eventually.
You gotta love the railroads Union Pacific being one of the few especially when it came to trying out these massive unusual locomotives that they tested to see if it was worth purchasing for their lines to keep up with the demand and most of this stuff didn’t actually work out and when it did very few built! It’s even more awesome when a model train manufacturer goes all out with the crazy details these things had a push to the Scale limit! HO-Scale being one of those limits! The other railroads that come to mind on trying out these crazy ideas were Milwaukee Railroad, Southern Pacific, Pennsylvania Railroad, Santa Fe, New York Central, Baltimore & Ohio, Canadian National & Chicago Illinois Central
Nice Model , thanks for the review. For everyone commenting on the price, an Aster Live steam Big Boy in 1/32 scale costs $15,000.00 dollars for the kit. A ready to run model years back would be
$25,000.00. They sold everyone they built. They still command a premium price on the used market.
What an absolutely amazing piece of railroad modelling! Sadly I can't afford it at the moment, my 2K$ worth UP Big Blow Ho GTEL was the top of my budget, but you never know...
It's well executed for sure, except for the operational issues.
As much as I’d like to six grand for a train, sorry no
the big blow was what i spent the money on sadly this is just to much for the budget will be happy to see one running sometime
That is one busy locomotive set
Yeah, for 6K you'd expect they'd expect the user may have imperfections on their track and check the unit before shipping. As for operation, for 6K that puppy will be running on every scheduled run on my layout.
Impressive for sure. Like you said it's more of a piece of art than anything else. My .02 pesos here on it. 6k and lights don't work, class lights in single color, things need trimming, things need bent to operate. For that price that thing better be immaculate and in running operating order. I can't stomach that. I see people all the time saying that damage, missing parts, operational difficulties are acceptable in the plastic shelled realm of trains. I don't get it. Go buy a brand new car (yes even with today's bloated prices) and tell me you wouldn't return the car if it had scratches, missing parts, damaged parts, or you couldn't drive in because of an assembly issue. That's the mentality some have these days. They'll just pay and accept what is given to them.
/rant off 🤣
This was a great review. It is a gorgeous unit(s).
It is a beautiful model and you are right about it being an art and having to choose between collectors and operators. But people also have to step up their game as far as their track work and so you might need to tweak and tune it a little bit. But I think we should all be thankful that the importers are at least having these made the alternative is you could always scratch build one yourself so don't look the gift horse in the mouth.
I had one of these in N scale and between this and my DD40 lash ups where the most popular trains at train shows. I ran two DD40's with two or three SD40-2's in the middle.
I'm good with my modern day, northeastern equipment! That's a paycheck, and you will need a warehouse to run that monster! Good review James!
I'm all over the place, need to narrow my era and roads.
@@jlwii2000 I quit trying to pick a Era or road so I just consider myself a collector and change out engines
Very impressive! Happy running! Cheers, Bob
I'm glad you actually ran this instead of letting it sit like everyone else. This model was meant to run or they would not have given it the capability to do so.
Yes indeed you're so right people that using the pun intended with classic cars trailer Queen
Mine would not run on 32" radius, the B trucks are the issue. I removed them to make sure the rest would run ok and it does just fine. I am waiting on some info from DP and plan to enlarge the transverse slot 40 thousandths to alow more lateral movement of those trucks. Others have shown that loosening the B trucks mounting screw and lightly bending the end ladders out they have ran down to 30" radius as well. I did a preorder and it was under 5k for mine.
yeah I was pretty frustrated wIth this model. I fixed one problem and it spawned another problem over and over.
@@jlwii2000 can you share the problems/solutions so we can see if we have them and solve if so?
Thanks for the review! That's not our product but we tested DCC parts for it!
Got the things you have to do to get a train running nowadays. Everything in the world have to have a remote control these days. O42 is the radius I have to run my scale length Williams Pennsylvania gg1 Electric.
And maybe add in some kind of improvement to help the trucks and wheels to move laterally and especially the leading truck on the tender and remove the Sand nozzles up a bit to provide clearance
Beautiful looking locomotive! But for that price it would want to run flawlessly not need adjustments. It would also need to make impeccable coffee ☕️ too.😮
Guess I need a 1k coffer pit and fancy coffee too!
Good video Mr James looks like a lot of tape the a unit looks great the B unit and the tender is cool awesome video my friend………Robert
The tender originally served Union Pacific Challenger number 3590 the B units came from the frame of great Northern electric number 5018. I don’t know the original number of the unit when I was in Alco PA but the number can be traced from the Pentrex DVD Union Pacific‘s Mighty Turbines
cool, thanks for the info!
The A unit's original number was 607.
@@richierich2048 got it thanks
I remember when the HO-scale was commercially pushed as the next big thing in model railroading. It was aimed directly at boys aged 5 to 13 as a usable toy, with the intention their parents would buy them the pre-packaged train-sets for Christmas and birthdays. Triang and later Tyco were the main producers of North American style rolling-stock back-in-the-day. The electric locomotives and the electrical connections on the track were frequently 'temperamental' right out of the box. Yet, for an entire set with engine, cars, track and power unit it was only $25 to $45.
Now these trains are reproduced in brass, with exquisite detailing and advanced electronics at a price of $6100.00, but they still require after-market modifications to run on a simple model railroad track layout...why???
high tier brass has been a thing for a long time. you can buy cheap brass for
Everybody wants fine art, but that is what you get - tough to handle, tough to run, tough to keep running and brutally expensive. When you see really good plastic, diecast or hybrid, they are better to own for most people.
yeah this has some serious operation issues.
Absolutely gorgeous. I've got a couple of DP models I inherited from my dad, but there's no way I'd pay that much for a loco myself.
I know exactly what James is on about. I bought an OMI version fitted with dcc/sound for around the same price which equates to 11k NZ. It's not a good runner on small layouts, you really need big curves & I mean BIG. As James explained the manufacturer built it to prototypical standards & what you see is what you get. There's a guy on TH-cam who uses the name RCGRABAG, he has one (HO) & it looks like a great runner, even on curves. I'm sending mine back to the US for some modifications so it can run properly.
I can't see $6200 in that, as good as it is. Although, I'm thoroughly happy for those who can afford such quality items.
It is a bit high but that's the high end, some pre order people report paying less than 5,000 but still high nonetheless.
Well that's how it is with brass models. It's an extremely expensive metal and there were only 100 models made.
That's a nice thing about credit cards💳
@@truckerkevthepaidtourist I don't do credit card debt. Learned that lesson as a 19 year old when I racked up thousands on a girlfriend and got a second job to pay it off. 😆
Great video. I can’t believe it was that much money for a Brass Locomotive! Will you be reviewing Broadway Limited Imports E6 Atlantic next?
I am actually amazed that brass engines are still being made, modern plastic engines are gorgeous and much more affordable. But I do understand this will probably never be made in plastic being only one engine.
Rudolf Diesel intended for his engine to run on powdered c o a l. I remember reading that in a book or hearing that in a documentary
The only time I will pay 4-digits for a locomotive is if it's live steam. My Aster BR Standard 5 cost less than this model did.
damn, thats like a used car for driving to work, a price for a work car.
I believe that the color on the top of the nose should be a darker green.
The big Union Pacific turbines we're powered by bunker C oil with the increased use of plastics bunker C oil increased in price to where it was not economical to use anymore.
Use it a track geometry car. If it can go over your previously bad sections of track anything can! Maybe get a 4-12-2 next?😉
That price is 6 times the cost of my first car! Wow!
3x my first car too!
wholly crap batman did you see the size of that B unit.
wow James. super nice
thanks!
I wonder where the sound file came from. You can't find that one on ESU's website. At least not the same Turbine sound.
Wow that is gorgeous! I thought spending $600 on a UP turbine was a lot. If someone made that in plastic with DCC….
James could you please put all your reviews into playlists. Like maybe locomotive reviews and rolling stock reviews. Please and thank you
I'll look into it and try to work on it at some point. There's over 700 reviews over the past 13 years though, so lots of button clicking to do.
What a beautiful set!
Good job. Congratulation. I have a doubt. Third unit is for what??? Luiz Paulo- Rio de Janeiro - Brasil
I think I saw that kinda train at the Illinois railway museum
Well, if it runs well for more than ten minutes, then it’s already doing better than the real turbine did! That one spent more time in the shop than on the mainline.
I take it only the PA is powered. Correct? Thanks for sharing. Great video. Enjoy - as best you can.
The B unit is powered as well.
@@jlwii2000 Thank you.
jlwii , saw your video re the MTH G scale Big Boy and was able to snag one. What a great model. Re this specific engine (Division Point Coal Turbine) .. great looking engine and I get the collector "panache" but holy cow .. if I can get a Broadway Limited or 3rd Rail for a 6th the price (with 80-90% of the detail) that would be my choice. Now if you can show me a detailed spread sheet re this company's specific trains appreciating over time (that outperforms other investment options) then I'll buy and hold.
This looks very similar to the Overland Models version that was made in the 80's or 90's, of which I think, were only 70 made and I have only seen one in my life.
The tender rear trucks have always have had trouble.
Funny, UP had this darn habit of having Large Locomotives until the 1990's
Along with all the other low hanging items, could the be moved without cutting?
Thats a beautiful model👍👍👍
yep, looks great...runs not so well but looks great.
No smoke units? Or don't they not do that in HO scale? You would think with all the bells and whistles it has and being $6,100 God I can't believe that price. I know it's limited-production but still.
The smaller the Run day makes a higher per unit price. If they could make more to where the price was lower than more people would be buying them and would put deposits on them in order to get the locomotive. I find a Union Pacific turbine locomotive experiments to be fascinating but for me I would buy the Mike's train house Premier model for 1/4 of the price but even that is expensive. It is a shame the engine was not successful in Revenue Service. Railroads are very vulnerable to fluctuating diesel prices and shortages. We have thousands of years of coal even if we went back to having everything coal-powered. Nazi Germany turn coal into a liquid fuel they could run tanks on because Hitler told them to and they did it. If we had told the Arabs screw the quadrupling of the price of oil and built c o a l gasification plant the Arabs would have a sign saying would sell oil for food. That would have given us energy Independence and we would still have nice big American cars that put tons of people to work with good union jobs and benefits.
Man what an impressive model...but at that price I would be affraid to get it out of the box....
I was a little concerned, not gonna lie.
Are is sanding pipes flexible enough to move without cutting
It would be a dream if this model would come at a good price from plastic same as the m1 steam turbine lokomotve, scale trains do something ^^
It wouldn't surprise me to see this in the next 5-10 years in plastic.
The fact that the lights don't work on a $6200 model would make me very unhappy.
Does the coal turbine come any cheaper or is that the whole set
really cool stuff!!!!
Amen from a fellow husband.
So I've gotta ask, does Division Point send you a model to review or did you have to buy it yourself? Because thats crazy!
Beautiful model nonetheless.
At that price it should come in a wooden box lined with velvet padding 😊
And a butler to carry it around 😅
I hate to think how much work it would be to put crew figures in the cab. Any and all of my locomotives that run on my layout have cab figures. Especially since it has a cab interior.
"Having issues with 42" curves"
And this ladies and gentlemen is why I'm in N scale.
Wow，it is large and beautiful
It is a shame that they did not preserve it for historical Shake because it was the only one. They could have put it in one of their many round houses that they have remaining from the steam days. I give them credit the Union Pacific experimented with locomotives and new-type fuels such as coal or natural gas. They are such a railroad.
just here looking for my next dentist.
While I do think this is an incredible model, I think the price might be a tiny bit too high. I understand that it’s a brass model but that price of $6100 seems absolutely absurd. I can buy almost four of those 12-car Lionel O-gauge Union Pacific rocket booster transport sets for the same price as this single locomotive. But hey, what do I know? I’m just a simple 14-year-old.
Ridiculous! And I soooo want one for my layout!! 😀
Always the risk you gota take with these limited runs. Youv'e no chance of waiting for reviews of others, sometimes you just gota go for it or you miss out.
One thing is fairly certain though, it should hold its value.
HELLO JAMES ITS IS RANDY AND I LIKE U VIDEO IS COOL JAMES THANKS FRIENDS RANDY
This costs more the my jeep. That’s impressive
Jeeps are cool though!
@@jlwii2000 and so is the loco. Except, I doubt you have to spend $600 on it just for it to ask for $100 more.
Great model. I would have worn gloves to avoid finger grease
What Road Name else wise Has this Kind of Engine.
Unusual Locomotive
indeed!
I fully understand what you are saying BUT for $6,000.00-$7,000.00 everything has to work and function.
is that working suspension on some of the trucks?
not that I know of.
I don't need to move out of my dad's place.
lol.
Hope they make a N scale one
It would be nice if the plastic side of the hobby would make this. $6,100 😳😳 a shock to the wallet
I had this in N scale my uncle got it for me thru his hobby shop in Plainfield, IN back in 1994.
Hello Capital One may I please get a $5,000 increase 🤣🤣💳
$6100 for this set that money would be my budget to built a railroad layout.
🤣yup
I spent $4000 on my first car. I am wondering if Scale Trains will produce the UP Coal Turbine
they could, who knows. that will reduce this things value by about 10-20%
This from the wiki on the train and very interesting history for those that wanted to know more
In October 1962, Union Pacific constructed an experimental GTEL of its own, using a modified ALCO PA-1 as a cab, the chassis of a GN W-1-class electric locomotive (bought for scrap from the Great Northern Railway) as the second unit, and a modified turbine prime mover removed from one of the 50 to 75 series locomotives.
The consist had an A1A-A1A+2-D+D-2, wheel arrangement, 18 axles of which 12 were powered. The PA-1's 2,000 hp (1.5 MW) diesel engine was retained and the B unit carried the main power plant for the main generators, which contributed 5,000 hp (3.7 MW) for a total power output of 7,000 hp (5.2 MW). The coal tender was rebuilt from that of Challenger steam locomotive number 3990. The setup was numbered 80, but changed to 8080 in 1965 to avoid conflict with the new EMD DD35s then being introduced.[13]
The blade erosion and soot build-up problems encountered in the earlier locomotives were magnified with the coal turbine. Grinding coal into fine particles was also troublesome but necessary because any oversized coal particles could damage the turbine blades. Ultimately, the experiment was declared a failure and was scrapped after spending only 20 months in service.
The conventional gas turbines each racked up well over 1,000,000 miles (1,600,000 km) in revenue service but the coal turbine prototype ran less than 10,000 miles (16,000 km) before being struck from the UP roster on March 15, 1968. The PA-1 control unit was traded to EMD, while the turbine unit and tender were scrapped at the Omaha shops.
For $6100 dollars you would think that they would have had jewel cases (plastic boxes) like KATO does.
no they cheaped out on presentation.
The Coal Turbines, in real life, were notorious for their Unreliability.
in real life, I WONDER IF Union pacific would think it would be cheaper to run the turbine rather than say, a four engine latch, on a coal train, or whatever it is they hall with over a houndred cars for.
Does the tender light work?
Metal grating not the right terms. It's a grille, specifically a Farr Grille.
Could someone please make a C855-A,B,A set.
maybe one day in the coming years.
wow this looked good from the thumbnail
its a beast for sure.
$6100 ? That's half of the price of a original adjusted to inflation.
The ALCO was used ONLY when the turbine WASN'T running ...
When the TURBINE was running , the ALCO WAS NOT USED like what most people think...
Just like the super turbine ,,,
the 850 hp was not used while the turbine was being used ....
This is worth more than my car lol
its worth more than one of my cars in the garage. I get it.
It be a cool display set but Dk for that much if I would run it
yep. I wanted it to run well thoguh.
nice video
thanks!
It makes you wonder if they had it at $3,000 maybe they might have ten times the orders that they would have would it be priced at $6,000. Do you think Santa will bring you this for Christmas if you're a good boy?