Why ChatGPT AI Will Destroy Programmers.
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you are mostly right and i don't mean this to directly argue much, however, your point about the code not being able to be maintained or update/upgraded is indeed true for a person, but not for the ai. if we were to hypothetically have an ai create a software, we by default would likely then have the ai also maintain and update it or add features and etc, not a person. so yes, it would be obnoxious for a person to do such things, but yeah, i don't think a person would be doing it. and once we did have an ai that was actually able to legitimately create complex and large amounts of well working code, then it indeed would likely be able to maintain itself in some way or make other changes just the same.
What’s the point? Ai destroying programmers
Never underestimate the lengths a company would go to in order to cut costs. If they can fire 5 people and replace them with AI, they would.
but when it comes to programming, they can't
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That might be partially true, but it seems to me there are plenty of bullshit jobs out there where people produce 0 value. And that has been the case for decades, even in private companies.
@@ottowesterlund not yet
@@ottowesterlund they cant replace them with AI but a programmer using Ai can do a lot these days
Funny to think that all programming is done for entertainment purposes only. Have you heard of business, telecom, medicne, agriculture, pharmacy? All these industries need software too.
Embedded software is in everything. Companies looking for skilled programmers everywhere. OP is wrong on a larger scale. I think he has worked for too long in entertainment industry...
@@CockmageLVL99 he did mentioned in the video that programming jobs aren't going anywhere because ai generated codes are messy and not scalable. and i think even the jobs are shrinking because ai makes them even easier than they already are with all the library and api you can access.
I guess at google its different focus
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ChatGPT will get way better over time and more tools will be developed to help pretty much anyone program whatever they want except that you will also have to compete with everyone else also making various apps and games. It's like early day e-commerce. Nobody even knew how to start an online store but those who did, were rewarded with low competition. Now that barrier is gone.
man it was already gone years ago! remember wordpress/wix/squarespace? the only thing that will change is that this closed systems will get crazy good that, programmers, will not be the only one who could build complex systems
yea imo swe job armageddon is coming
While ChatGPT makes programmer jobs easier, it also makes digital creation easier for everyone... which is ultimately where programmers compete. The AI gives, but it gives to everyone.
@@TechLeadShow That actually makes sense, it's not all doom and gloom. Thanks a lot actually
@@TechLeadShow ah " The AI gives, but it gives to everyone." i literally came, what a sentence you said there.
It won't , because the main difficulty making chatgpt do what you want is explaining to it what you want, and that is exactly what programming is - explaining the computer what it needs to do. So explaining to chatgpt what it needs to do in sufficient detail that will cover all the logic you need in your program will require the same amount of effort as to create the program by yourself, because it's essentially the same exact thing
This, the averag person doesn't even know what the OSI model is let alone ask ChatGPT to design a streaming service. The thing literally imports nonexistent libs and provides dead links.
The best comment regarding this. You're basically programming using prompts.😅
Yeah, I had to fight with CHatGPT for about 40 minutes the other day just to get it to implement a simple feature. This technology is only going to get better, but the current iteration atleast, is not going to take anyone's jobs. Even if ChatGPT does improve to the point where it can do 90% of the coding on it's own, I think people will still need to be literate in coding languages to use AI like ChatGPT effectively.
Once it accelerates creation of useful code past a certain point doing the same stuff will require far less time thus requiring far less programmers. Lets be real, companies aren't going to hire extra programmers for fun, they will employee the minimum necessary, and AI dumpsters that number. RIP most code jobs.
Yeah, I came to the same conclusion. After reaching certain complexity you are basically programming with prompts instead of code.
Imagine millions of socially inept programmers aspiring to social media stardom.
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Most of the socially inept programmers aren't successful as programmers either. They're pulling 9-5 hours with minimum wage in the back office stuck in dead-end jobs. It's only the entrepreneurs like Zuckerberg or Musk who ever became successful. Now in the past, the path to entrepreneurship/glory was for these programmers to launch an app or website to the world... these paths were via the iOS app store, Android app store, or Facebook app store. Today, those app stores are saturated and the path is through social media, where anyone (including AI) can walk.
You're still competing on a platform which runs all kinds of micro transactions in the background 24/7 which by and large eclipse your own income. Besides social media is just as saturated as the app store. AI is just another trinket developers can roll into apps to distract people long enough run ads.
@@TechLeadShow Imagine being in a bubble where thinking $100-200k annual salary is "minimum wage". Success does not mean becoming a tech billionaire. Programmers have among the best jobs out there, they can work remote with flexible hours and earn more than 90% of the population. Further to counter the points of the video, programmers do all sorts of things in different industries, it's not only about digital time/entertainment, but also about maintaining/developing systems for which the world runs on. I feel you are in this social media bubble where attention is everything and forget that in order for people to purchase the things the social media ads display, they need money from their regular jobs. These regular jobs have many systems which run on code and with increasing digitalization of industries and data, more systems are needed, thus more code is needed.
@@aborggren4113 most programmers don't make 100k 200k like you said. If you are good at other skills, you can make that much money in any other profession. It is now saturated with a lot of people looking for entry level position.
don't forget what a programmer is, a programmer is a person giving instructions to the computer. We are not someone who "write codes", we write codes because as of now, that's the only way we can give the computer instructions.
Until we get to the point where AI can decide on its own, a programmer will still be the one giving instructions to the computer. The way we do it may change but in principle, it's still the same as it always was, giving instructions to the computer.
The same principle can apply to pre-production artists in films and games. A concept designer spends 10 mins to decide the story telling, the mood, the lighting, composition of a painting, then spend a day to finish it, get feedback, spend another day to do another version. Now with the help of AI, the artist can spend 10 min on the idea, 20 min to sketch it, then AI can give him 10 different versions in an hour. AI won't replace the need of artists, but now 1 artists can easily do the job of a team of 20 artists, meaning the other 19 artists will be laid off.
When we get to that point almost everyone will be able to make programs
Sure, but at a point almost everyone can be a programmer because there won't be a barrier to entry
I think what people don’t understand is, if ai can replace a software engineers job, it can replace at least 50 % of jobs out there. By that time it’s like living in utopia and it won’t even matter if you lose your job because we will have to be socialist and the government will have to pay us to live
@@fkdump Your argument only works if you assume that we are already generating the maximum amount of content needed in those fields... which seems unlikely to me. For example, if Marvel could make 10 films a year instead of 2-3 for the same amount of money, do you think they would? If the way to do that was to use the same number of people but have each of them produce 10 times as much, why wouldn't they?
Laying people off only makes sense when either a market is saturated on the Supply side (too much competition so the marginal profit decreases to zero for each new thing produced) or Demand has been satiated in its entirety by the existing output so additional things are not purchased, or are only purchased as a substitute.
Based on how much low quality crap people are willing to consume online, I think the demand for higher quality (still crap) will easily absorb the productivity gains of any AI tools. And that doesn't even factor in that the vast majority of the planet are not even consuming at the rate of Western countries yet.
The same can be said for business applications, art, videogames, houses etc. etc. Demand is still huge in so many areasand fundamentally these "AIs" don't generate anything useful without human content on the input side and human prompting/pruning on the output side.
I have been developing since I was 16, I am now 38. I have gone from hardcoding HTML, learning from a O'Reilly HTML Book, to coding AI apps, using ChatGPT to program the apps and websites for me. You need to adapt, but also milk the old technologies and audience that go with them for all their worth.
Not everyone can find a financially viable spot when the competition goes through the roof, there just aren't enough spots available, thus countless people will be made unemployed or forced into dogsh*t jobs.
I see that the one comment is gone. It's probably a fake TechLead account.
@@selfReferencinDox Just for the record, I am not fake :)
@@selfReferencinDox He is trolling
HTML is not a coding language man
also there is much much more to coding than web development
personally am in electronics and embedded systems..
You successfully competed for 18 minutes of my time, damn you.
9 at 2x speed
1 if summarized by chatgpt
Does anyone remember the days, months, or years, before ai, covid, 2020.
Because those years were the best years of my life.
Does anyone agree with me?
Yeahhh
Yes, it just keeps getting worse
13:10 Working in IT I felt that... feel like by the time I learn something, we're already moving on to the next thing.. so hard to keep up and not get burnt out in the process.
Don't worry, most businesses are not a FAANG. They are 10-15 years behind the state of the art, consistently.
computer science fundamentals dont change. stop chasing fads - they are very easy to pick up if you have the basics
@@calmhorizonsthis Is a fact. Majority of business goes in a slow pace.
I disagree. It just means, if you want to make an app:
1) Either solve some hard technical problem that businesses have, such as engineering, for example
2) If you want to go B2C, you either make a social network or your idea is doomed to fail
I'm a programmer and although I understand what tech lead is saying. I work in the real world (manufacturing) and I feel like our software will always require a team of humans
The guy isn't exactly the brightest. You have to see how smart he's done. Computer science was never about mastering a syntax, if that's the only thing you can do then you won't get very far without AI.
Artist thought the same . Ai cannot replace us . We are creative . Now they are screaming . Ur turn will come soon .
@@user-og9nl5mt1b nah, if anything this technology will make us more powerful.
@@user-og9nl5mt1b I think you should rather deal with AI systems. I use ChatGPT 4 to increase my efficiency in computer science. I think in the future many jobs will be enhanced with AI. I think AI can have an impact in every job. And there will be jobs that can be replaced by the AI, but there will be new jobs that we don't even know about today. Man has only gotten this far because he has adapted over time. Basically, professions have disappeared at all times and new ones have appeared. 100 years ago I wouldn't be a computer scientist and would have had a different job. The biggest mistake would be to be afraid of the future and not deal with it. Those who use the time to understand AI systems can also benefit from it.
Yes a team of less humans and one powerful AI
I think those that have been working as a programmer would have an advantage against those that will mostly rely on AIs. Creatives have also being more lenient and have a positive approach now towards image generator AIs like Bluewillow, mentioning that it will make work better rather than seeing it as a replacement.
No you don't need to know how Microsoft excel backend coding , but you need to know how excel is useful in computing , same way programs are not doing any new thing they are solving some real problems so if properly trained tool can do , there is no need of programs again.
I think we should switch from a social impact mindset to a community impact mindset. Social media should be more community focused not just advertising and trend focus. It is much more fun competing with your community than with the whole country.
it's even more fun and useful to cooperate with your community and country than it is to compete
Unfortunately our communities are tiny are fragmented. There is no real sense of community amongst the modern American landscape. We don’t share a common culture like say, Japan.
I think we need to reach a point of content saturation, where there are like 100 big corporate influencers that everyone follows (think Fox News, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN). At that point, there will be no more opportunity in social media. We just haven't reached that point yet since every other week there's a new TikTok star, and we're about to get a bunch more new AI channels with deep fakes & special effects that everyone (and sponsors) will want to get in on. It's hard for an app to compete with the likes of viral content for your time. The other turning point is a new platform like VR/AR headsets that requires coding skills to achieve impact. I don't consider ChatGPT a platform (as much as a tool) because the end-users are limited - about 1% of people are content producers, the other 99% consume.
yes. that's exactly right!
@@TechLeadShow I am also bullish on VR. Meta is a dark horse.
The capabilities of ChatGPT have been improving so rapidly, it could get to the point where it gets so effortless to generate content, that you don't need content creators to entertain you. In Star Trek, they don't download a game to use on the holodeck. They just walk in and ask for a scenario that's generated instantly.
The art AI generates is pretty uninspiring. And it’s articles are plain and boring . I think it will be a long time before AI understands human wit , and true creativity .
What AI does , is find similarities. It’ll give you the general of the general
@@ci6516 cope
@@Vincenzo_Santorini3 I have to agree. Reminds me of "Why would anyone want to use EMAIL over the slow internet? We have Fax?"
@@Vincenzo_Santorini3
Cope when a super-intelligent, conscious AGI ends your existence.
@@sufficientmagister9061 that's the point👏
Not all programming pertains to holding people's attention
Yeah, there is a lot of bias here. He worked all his life on Google and Facebook. But then we have all the corporate stuff, Microsoft, Oracle, RedHat, VM Ware just to name a a few
Yeah some of us work in core infrastructure like banking. The codebase is a mess but it's critical. Technology moves slowly in banking for fear of breaking things. Very different business.
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I love that this channel is getting more serious content
ChatGPT coding comes from, the cumulative knowledge of millions of programmers. It is just like a person looking over all these programmers while maintaining the memory and context over all of their individual code. This also comes at the complexity to fine tuning(that being the reason for self supervised learning with human assistance). But eventually, will get better and come to a level, where you just give a high level information similar to a software architect. When robots takeover the world, only robot technicians survive, similarly when AI progresses(when it could do unassisted self learning), only those will survive, is all those who could use the same AI to outcompete itself?
But for how long? Before the AI could copy and improvise? Just some thoughts 💭
We are going into the Artificial Web, where everything you see will be mostly created by AI otherwise it will not have a chance. We already reached saturation in the number of websites, apps, and games we need - so I agree that it's going to be very hard to find programming jobs for these. Maybe enterprises and governments will adapt AI last fast, but I can see an AI that can digest an entire codebase and write a solution in the exact style and comments like the existing code does (similar like it can deliver any content in the Shakespeare or pirate style now). And after some point, no one will care how the code looks because the AI will be so good at making changes according to the user needs so nobody will even have to look at the generated code like we don't look at the generated C++ or assembly code now. It's just a matter of time until only expert programming jobs remain, which will be very hard to get to, especially with no already existing decades of expertise. In short, learn how to grow boobies.
1. No we haven't reached a saturation point.
We still wear mass produced clothes that won't quite fit us. We still use websites and apps that won't quite work as we want. We still cannot fly to our destination fast enough. Many people still cannot travel where they want. We still do not get personalised healthcare.
AI will make us 10x or even 100x productive but there will be an increase of 100x in demand as well. Human never stopped demanding more because we were more efficient than before. What was possible only for rich will be possible for middle class.
2. Complex and critical software require precise specification. Code is non-vague and less voluminous than plain English. In the new era of hyper-customisation and hyper-servitisation, you cannot expect an AI instructed with vague english to produce code that works exactly how you want all the time. Remember that all companies will become more efficient and there will be even more competition. People will not forgive any service that "mostly" works.
Conclusion: you may need less developers to accomplish same thing but you need to create more or do even better to remain competitive and serve the demands of the consumers.
@@getaasciesh1 To your first point , I don't think that demand will come from the common people, if they are out of their jobs due to AI ;their demand for customized products will decrease as they are no longer capable of paying the price of their demands(no jobs).In fact if massive job displacement does indeed take place, as Sam Altman predicts , the common people will be more that satisfied for software products that are utility based for dirt cheap cost(AI reduces cost).
It will be the very few elites who will want those customizations. I am being pessimistic but it easy to see that inequality levels will skyrocket and that unlike previous technological disruptions which took jobs and created jobs, this will only take away jobs at a massive scale(if it becomes quite reliable, which I think will mostly happen).
@@AbishekTAmeb No. Things don’t happen like that. You are not starting from a blank canvas where you put jobless people first. It is not going to happen in a flick of switch.
@@AbishekTAmeb No. Things don’t happen like that. You are not starting from a blank canvas where you put jobless people first. It is not going to happen in a flick of switch.
Also, No company or government wants a situation where there are majority of the people jobless. Economy just won't work then and hence the companies and the countries.
Unless there is an AGI that these companies cannot control, we will not see the situation you mentioned. Yes but massive change in the way we work is expected.
Thanks for sharing your insights! I like that you made your keyboards become LED light in the background. LOL. It's easy to use image generators like Bluewillow to generate art, but it's something that I am not proud to use a I know it uses existing art. But same way with programming, aside from creating generic scripts and such, it still needs us to completely work and be up to certain standards.
Designers will be the first to get demolished cause people respond fast to visual content and going to love seeing more and more cool designs that AI designers will deliver which will sideline the design community really fast. As a developer I personally think any junior developer will be able to deliver very complex app/site just using simple prompts in 2-3 years and there won't be any need for developers with six figure salaries.
Agreed, this tech will not replace Developers. But drive down salaries
I taught GPT4 our (particular project team) programming philosophy, architecture style, the structure of our code and the patterns we use (and why we are doing this they way we are doing it) and it can create whole features (or at least skeleton/boilerplate) from feature descriptions. Of course it depends on the size/complexity of the application and its domain. And so far the results are not bad sometimes pretty good, but still have a lot of validation/testing to do. I can see this replacing code monkies for sure.
On the other hand writing/reading code is only a part of my job as an engineer/architect. Most of the time I'm discussing and developing new ideas/features with customers and users, improving the look and feel as well as usability, changing and developing new processes or getting rid of obsolete ones, developing new business models and validating them, talking to users and improve upon their feedback and so on. I guess that is the hard part that can't be automated as easily. This is a social process with a lot of interaction between a lot of different user groups and stakeholders (with different interests of course) and so on. There is a lot of people and negotiation involved in order to change software and/or the processes behind it at least for the software I have been creating the last 10 years or so...
I think product managers will become the interface between stakeholders / managers and AI systems that write code.
Yes, train your replacement. Code monkey.
@@apbecker the western society depends on software, humanity depends on software. Humans suck at software engineering. The replacement is necessary.
The first 2-4 minutes he describes whether an AI like chatgpt will replace human programmers in the near future. His perspective is consistent with my experience, while it can write functional code, it doesn’t ever generate anything usable in a work or school assignment. Real programming takes critical thought as well as logic. Chatgpt level AI is still too dependent on copying than thinking.
Agreed, It's just parroting at the moment, we'll have to see what happens when AGI or auto GPT gets better then go from there
most devs are useless who needs someone else to design/think for them, these clowns are done
ChatGPT is still dumb. Tried several times and it was not that usefull. It produces plenty of code, but it usualy contains some hidden error, or producing nonsense. It can be used for simple things though, mostly small projects from the ground.
So do you think 2 years from now if ai is multiples of times better you’ll have the same opinion?
@@sssurreal IF, thats the thing. They have to came with some another new approaches and it may take decades. Noone knows.
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Programmers exist due to their talent for solving problems, not for their desire to seek public attention. Their passion lies in creating innovative solutions to complex problems, and they are motivated by the challenges and opportunities that come with programming. While the field of programming may gain public attention, it is not the primary motivation for most programmers.
Programming died about 15 years ago, what people call "Programmers" today are really just digital Clerks. I worked in IT from 1989 to 2019, and I have seen it all working Hands On roles to Management roles. Now happily retired.
@@elliskaranikolaou2550 Please elaborate, I understand the programmers part and the mentality behind programming 15 years ago but what do you mean by digital clerks ? How the scenario changed ?
@@jain78343 It's changed profoundly on many fronts. In the old days, we designed the software from the ground up. Yes, even programming in Assembler. We designed software in a much more disciplined fashion, typically using a waterfall methodology. This included documenting everything in detail, ER diagrams, Data Dictionaries, etc. IT people were treated with much more respect and reverence, and the users knew their place. We didn't use packages or even IDE's, we used the bare-bones Programming language. The results were well delivered and reliable software that could be supported properly in-house. Programmers needed a Computer Science Degree or a Maths Degree to land a job as a Programmer. That world is now gone. Today, anyone can become an IT person or Programmer. Many people in IT today don't have a Degree. The new development methodologies are Agile utilising Standup meetings in scrums. It's insanely juvenile and unprofessional, with the results being unreliable and poorly pasted together packages. Yes packages, configuring a package is now considered "Programming". Users now call the shots and basically IT people are the door mat of the users. Any programming done is usually on the edges of Projects and done typically in a heavily graphical IDE. It's definitely a dying Profession, well it's actually dead. Projection from industry IT analyst groups are talking about a headcount reduction of approximately 75% over the next 7 years. I retired in 2019, perfect timing. I was lucky to have a 30-year run in the IT sector during its halcyon days and was able to see out my working life working in IT. Ask yourself this question, if you are a young person, say 30, will you be able to stay employed in IT for your entire working life, say to 60 ? The answer is no. You may get 10 years as an IT person (Digital Clerk), you know administrating packages that run from the cloud, etc, but that's the best you can hope for. But even these roles will diminish greatly as AI kicks in and Users snuff out the sector completely. My advice is if you're young, don't waste time in IT for a living. The happy days in this area are well and truly over. If you love Computers, etc, just treat it as a hobby and select a line of work that will be more reliable and steady.
@@elliskaranikolaou2550 A lot of people won't understand what you said. The age of citizen developer is coming and its coming fast. There are two things here. One is no-code platforms. These no-code platforms can talk to each other. In fact, there are CTOs who don't know coding now where they run with just no code tools. Second one is AI tools. If I ask an ChatGPT to give the code to make a calculator now, it'll give me. Of course, it might not be perfect code but it still does it and when Google comes with bard, there will be competition and that's going to bring a lot of advancements to this ChatGPT.
This is sort of cope. You can say this about any profession that is becoming obsolete or where the barrier to entry is getting lower.
Do I think programming/development will go away? No, but salaries will drop and high paying jobs will be even more scarce and competitive.
If you are senior level programmer, but a junior level programmer can do 50 to 60 percent of your job with assistance from AI? I think many employers will take the latter option and overall pay for development will go down.
Company owners will do everything the can to replace high salary employees with a few or more entry level developers with ai assurance.
But this isn’t just programming, I think many white collar jobs are in for a rude awakening.
There was very good points here. We are going from world where devs were competing themselves, than influencer/social media was added to mix and now AI. We live in very interesting times!
Ya, the projects in the fields of AI would be interesting after all. Its all about creativity of the individual, to what extent he can go and for the languages and frameworks, they are not going anywhere. Hundreds of companies are running on that with millions of lines of code.
It seems that TechLead is confusing entertainment such as games and mobile apps, with programming. As a programmer, our job is mainly to store data and manipulate it, for example, storing information about clients on databases such as SQL and other servers. It's not a programmer's job to make games (they may make logic for them, but games involve artists to make graphics and music, story plots, characters, etc.). So no, AI making "apps" and "games" the way he's talking about it wouldn't take over our jobs. For the past fifteen years, this was never something that programmers did.
Hey TechLead. Thank you for the video. You can train the LLM to obey the coding styles. That being said, I am still bullish on web development and SWE in general.
Why are you still bullish?
ChatGPT will not get rid of programmers. What's going to happen is, programmers will use chatGPT to increase their productivity.
I remember 15 years ago animators were afraid they'll lose their job because of motion capture technology. And I told my coworkers that animators are the ones who are best qualified to handle and use motion capture data to achieve the best result.
It’s still all about ideas and how you implement them. There is already more content than you can consume it doesn’t really matter that there is more. It’s been like that for decades. Most of the cream rises to the top and searching for and finding hidden entertaining treasures can be fun too.
Maybe
"There is already more content than you can consume" is so true; I suppose very shortly the comments sections of YT will be taken over by AI-generated comments, with a financial or political agenda, and everyone will get angry or disgusted. AI will be filing lawsuits, and investing in stocks or crypto, and basically it will be talking to itself. As a math prof and dad I'm mostly worried about: what it will do to jobs and hence to the society; what it will do to politics and disinformation; the impact on kids- will they be motivated to learn math, science, literature, languages or play and instrument, or will the shiny objects take over, and will many people become depressed as they feel overwhelmed by the changes? Also, a few may get extremely rich and that will cause even more unhealthy distortions to society. Our attention span will get even more fragmented...
I see a lot of depression, anger, resentment, fear, despair, inequality in our near-term future...
One thing that picks my attention in your talk is your focus on the entertainment and mass scale side of things, an influencer is not going to schedule your next medical exam, although the relevance of that kind of coding will be influenced by AI.
My thought on this is, with this deluge of digital content do people just tune it out and focus more on IRL. Maybe IRL is where the opportunities will be.
It’s still all about ideas and how you implement them. There is already more content than you can consume it doesn’t really matter that there is more. It’s been like that for decades. Most of the cream rises to the top and searching for and finding hidden entertaining treasures can be fun too.
I wish, but unfortunately I don’t think it will be so. For example Covid destroyed the music concert industry outside of a handful of the biggest celebrities. And there’s no sign of it coming back. But, what might be coming instead, is virtual online concerts, where nobody has to leave their home. The “performer” could just be an AR deepfake, the average pop music fan cares so little about authenticity.
@@alcoyot Pretty soon we will all just be living in the matrix.
Realistically, I would probably love to have a job as a land surveyor, a cartographer, or a park ranger or something like that. The problem with these types of jobs is that they are either a) really competitive to get into. b) have you work for peanuts. Or c) both.
I develop the enterprise web applications and we already have enough libraries/packages to do most of the work, it is just one step ahead of that and the major problem here that most of the banking/government projects are reluctant to share their data with ChatGPT because they still trust Humans more than AI as far as security/confidentiality is concerned.
when the ai generative methods will polished, the ai companies will start to sign its copyrights and price everything, and then everybody will be learning how to implement their own generative ai engine and there we going to be on the same start point.. learning programming as always...
Programming is not just app development, what about operating systems, network protocols, anything low level.
All this code must follow strict paterns, ai wont ever be able to do this.
cant it be just abstract?
@@CristianIntriago_ Only if you just the AI to be making the perfect decisions on low level code that controls extremely important systems, which I'd say the majority of people would not feel comfortable given the current iteration. If GPT-5 or beyond manages to get it perfect nearly 100%, maybe yes.
Keep in mind, AI in very early stages of development, no one knows what it will be able to do in future.
I've been a coder for decades and this video is very Insightful, thanks!
ChatGPT will make a cs degree become a linguistics degree. The ones you can best communicate to GPT what you want it to do will work those jobs
Went from someone who never completed a project to completing 2 data analyst projects from scratch within 2 months
Thks to chat-gpt
Hard skills may be the small part of the game but without hard skills, the bigger part cannot exist. So coding is the foundation of things bigger than coding. And I am sure ChatGPT will soon grow to match coding standards of individual companies as well
Future AI will be fed private codebases and learn from coding standards within those private codebases.
Lines of Code and Classes used to be the main unit of measure.
ChatGPT can help with "functions" and "operation" internal procedures.
Chat-GPT is a great programmer assistant. It will replace programmers in the sense 1 code monkey utilizing Chat-GPT can now crank out the work of 3 code monkeys in the same timeframe.
What robotic arms were to vehicle assembly lines, AI is to software engineering. Just my opinion.
right, automated assembly lines didnt send people back to home, you still need specialized technicians/engineers to keep up with all the instrumentation and the things going right
The TechLead showing some great prompt engineering skills.
I foresee that when markets are able to create more and more efficiencies like we're seeing right now, more and more things get cheaper and brand new challenges that are expensive to tackle arise. Just like now, we'll complain about how the latest tech and comfort is unaffordable while overlooking all the amazing things we get for practically free. Also just like now, most things that should be practically free will be unaffordable thanks to the lies of politicians pretending to have your best interest in mind.
I’m an artist, for over 20 years now. I agree that online I now have new competitors who are great at prompting art, but the human sensibility is still a a factor. A.I artist are some stage will have to convey themselves as people to …. You know, other people. Our innate curiosity about people, their personality and even traumas are what makes art engaging and relatable. Just because we’re living a computer programmers wet dream, it doesn’t mean we’re going to partake and loose emotion, connection and the desire to be inspired by a human. Great content x
i'm actually passionate about art/animation but always kept it as hobby and kept learning to code for my main programming job, i'm about to interview for a programming job but now it seems like there is uncertainty for programming as well as art jobs, so maybe i should get an art job haha
I’m an art student as well.
I’m more confident than ever.
AI doesn’t think, but rather just copy and spit out what’s already been created.
Our (human) power lies is in creativity.
Some places already laid off artists because AI can do the jobs better and ridiculously faster, especially in pre-production process, and pre-production arts are usually just a problem solving process. It will get to other 2d and 3d artists eventually. It may not completely replace production artists, but the demand will be drastically reduced.
On the other hand doing traditional art such as oil painting on canvas will be a different story. Even harder.
@@fkdump
I understand and I agree only to an extent.
Art is innately linked to history and history is chronologically documented and annotated by humans.
Not to make a long drawn out conversation on something fear-based, but frankly put, computers and the programs ran by them can only go so far.
I believe, as a collective, we should focus less on the possibilities of replacement and more on the imagination and creation of tools potentially produced by ai.
The toaster didn’t replace the microwave, and the oven is still here after the invention of the microwave … and now many homes have air fryers.
With microwaves and ovens, might I add.
Technology isn’t replacing, but rather refining.
@@YAH_ONLY I was only talking about job opportunities under the current condition. I think AI will only refresh the art community not destroy it.
A new generation of digital artists will be born in the market, there will be a lot of one-man high quality animation projects.
But transition period will be painful for many artists, not everyone can give up on their well trained skill sets and adapt the AI workflow. Artists may need to become AI assisted generalists to survive instead of just being a director, storyboard artist, illustrator, animator, rigger...etc
Artists may need to pick up coding knowledge too in order to use chatgpt to write tools for assisting art creation.
@@fkdump understood.
Most definitely a pivotal time approaching for many artists.
Adopting and integrating tech into the workflow will ensure longevity, I believe at least.
It's just coders pain to face the truth. This is the worst it'll ever be for AI generated code; its just going to get better from here.
AutoGPT is a promise of that future.. 2024, 2025, 2029.. so hold on to those coding jobs while we still can.
we all have one more year to prepare for such a pivotal event
Autogpt is pretty expensive and not that good. Much faster to get good results by having a human prompt it. While it’s really neat, I don’t think that’s the main goal of developing this ai tech. The model needs to be smarter before it can lead itself. This means they need to solve alignment.
@@Ivcota "its just going to get better from here" also includes pricing, speed, and alignment improvements.
Lol. Looks luke someone is tired of their own job. Relax. AI is not replacing anyone. I tried it last week and it is still very limited.
@@nhanimaah786 u tried replacing someone? Are you an A.I?
There is still going to be an endless market for business applications developers for things like ERP systems, Payroll, B2B, EWM, Retail, etc. Those things might centralize by moving to the cloud, but still corporations don't have a way to easily develop with AI. The revolution is going to come when companies start developing software products from AI generated and automated code from the ground up. The AI would then have all the necessary thing for making changes in its framework memory and do rapid code testing and evolution. That is when traditional developers will start getting completely out of work.
I agree... Im an ERP SW engineer/consultant. I dont see Ai replacing me anytime soon. But exactly how you put it. One day an AI could create an ERP from scratch which will talk to customers, take their requirements and implement them. It could also bug fix and maintain itself. Im not sure how far ahead this lies but it might be closer then we think...
@@CzechShooter I was reading this thread, but was wondering what would the financial consequences of this scenario then be? If as you say an AI can create an ERP from scratch, then it would also be able to create lots of products, and not just software products but general products which include knowledge work, from scratch. This means supply goes up, and as supply goes up, if demand stays the same, prices come down. So while wages might decrease, the prices of products might also decrease due to the supply, thus the standard of living stays the same.
@@cliffng33 You are right that technologies like this will make many goods and services more accessible. It increase the overall wealth of the society and standard of living for all humans.
However It also takes away the competitive advantage of individual who provided those goods and services to others and got paid generously for it. If they dont find another competitive advantage they will simply become average or bellow average earning people or even jobless. This is what people might be fearing. If you are jobless then you do not benefit from all of this.
@@CzechShooter Yeh that is inevitable in times of change. It happened during the Industrial Revolution too. From what I read up, it was the people who learnt how to transition from ditch digging to operating an excavator, from coal mining to operating a furnace machine, from handloom weaving to operating textile machines, that transitioned well. In that sense it seems like learning new skills is going to be pretty important in this transitory period.
There will also be new jobs generated from existing fields I think, a few I can think of is like CyberSecurity could evolve into AI Security, Game development could evolve using LLMs , DevOps could evolve into MLOps, etc. Just like how newspaper writers became obselete and now are called social media managers, job positions are bound to change over time. But I guess it does mean learning new skills too.
@@cliffng33 I agree but it is only logical that people have those concerns. Nobody wants to see their job go. And nobody is excited about the need to transition into something else. It ruins their comfort. Yet it's inevitable and it's a progress.
Great information TechLead
as a beginner wanting to get into an area that is in demand
where do you think I should go to train ❓And what should I train in ❓
that attention competition rant is actually a good point. now the real question is , will human will be more creative and evoque more emotion than AI. I think the way AI works now( a statistically approach not probabilistic really ) it prevent creativity. human will stay emotionnal creature. I think AI will not be emotional or being able to mimick it in a convincing way for a long time. humain brain are a formidable machine to recognize pattern at some point people will get bored by AI creation people will see through it and.... they will get bored. And there you have it... the attention will be released.
I’ve seen what ChatGPTs coding looks like, it’s okay, but you can’t have it write an actual functional program. Too many tiny and moderate flaws that would require human intervention. Right now, it’s not replacing anybody. In the future, at worst, as long as you’re actually good at coding and didn’t start just calling yourself a programmer after learning some Python, you should be fine.
Hello sir I just started learning how to code. I'm learning html, css and java gradually self taught on w3school and TH-cam. I want to know if I'm doing it the right way.
@@peacemaker7682 do what ever works for you. If you’re in India, be more generalized and know as much about everything rather than specializing. If you’re American or want to work I’m America, find a niche and specialize in it.
@@moegreene3630 I'm from Nigeria in Africa. Thanks. I will do that
It's been a while since I've watched his content but I still can't always tell when he's serious or it's sarcastic satire.
Very insightful video, as much as I don't think it is as bad as it might seem. Really. Fierce competition has always been (and will always be) the normal order of things. Even with those changes to the landscape of tech, you would in all likelihood still be able to maneuver to survive and make a decent living.
I'm currently studying Software Engineering and honestly, chat gpt is a godsend for learning. It helps me find resources. If I forget about a certain design principle or can't remember a particular piece of code it's an awesome helper. If there's something I don't get in my lecture notes or textbooks I can ask it to elaborate further. Sometimes it makes mistakes but these are easy to point out and it's generally a good tool to help you think about a problem as well. I don't think that chat gpt will eliminate jobs I think it will increase demand for software engineers and people in creative industries. You can learn just about anything with chat gpt if you apply yourself.
Ppl i talk to who are involve in programming still in denial that chatgpt will impact them negatively
I guess I should go learn ML/CV/NLP and make an AI virtual girlfriend so I don't feel lonely
Wiafuuuuuu
Easier to just hit the goddamn gym. Get ripped.
I think your mistaken that chatgpt couldn't learn coding styles and consistencies. It is able to translate from language, which can be thought of adhering to coding styles and consistencies. All it would take is for someone there to "finetune" chatgpt on their specific task-mainly learning the coding style and consistencies. Whether managers would want to is another question. They would lose all the intellectual power that the company worked so hard to find and train.
Is ChatGPT at the point where it can rewrite a php CMS to Go or Rust?
Or rewrite a CMS to make it serverless?
software engineer renamed to prompt engineer.
the job of the programmer is not to type the program now but to watch the gpt chat make the program. This technology allows junior programmers to do the work of senior programmers. and accelerate the work of senior programmers.
and fire most junior programmers...
Fridman will be smart to invite him to his show...he knows way more than some of his current guests in the field of programming and where the industry is heading to.
Most tech workers have yet to realize that they've already missed the boat, unable to see the forest for the textbooks in front of their faces.
When Crypto swings back again TechLead will make it to Lex Fridman. TL is a pioneering thought leader on DeFi and DeFi is the way.
This is brilliant!! Thank you for the Alpha On this subject!
Hi techlead, could you advice cs students on what to do in this case ?
Sounds like TechLead is still stuck in the mindset that AI must write human readable code. This is not the case, the AI could write and manage it's own code and come up with it's own abstraction layers to get to machine code. Humans won't be able to work on the code AI eventually produces because we won't be able to understand it.
We will interface with AI to produce all of our software and not need to enter a single keystroke or code review.
Current „AI” is not developing new ideas, it’s based on our knowledge and on what repository it was trained.
Also the video is pretty one sided and programmers do not program only apps for app store to grab attention. Banking, automotive, b2b etc.
But if there’s an error in that code. What do you do? The code has to be human readable to debug it when it inevitably does something stupid.
You mean like...a compiler?! Parse some human readable text und translate it to machine code. Well. If ChatGPT is some kind of compiler, what is ChatGPTs input then? The "interface thingy" you just mentioned :) And don't you say "Code"! :P
Welp. Time to start that youtube channel I've been wanting to.
Bro what are you saying?
AIs are gonna improve overtime exponentially and be trained specifically for the company it's used for
ChatGPT writes poor code. It forgets requirements. It makes up non-existent routines. It lacks any concept of logic. I have tried to use it for simple boilerplate routines and found it poor to garbage 80% of the time and getting worse recently.
Just like stackoverflow replaced all programmers. All those TH-cam videos got rid of all the chefs too.
😂
Personally i am a good programmer abd ChatGPT did not destroy nothing for me. As a matter of fact it is making me a better programmer and I still learn to this day. You can be a programer top class and you will never learn it all.
As always -> techlead has spoken...and I can't wait till the next follow up youtube video on this topic, pops up!
I work in C/C++ in defense aerospace ... perhaps these positions will be a safe haven for a while as we are not competing with social media or AI. It is not likely AI will displace jobs in this sector because of reliability and accountability ... at least until judgement day. Well, hopefully AI will replace middle management.
Porgramming is not dead and it won't be dead in future, but programming will be easy and there will be many many programmers to do programming and company won't pay good money to developers. just because demand and supply, that;s my main concern.
damn is digital attention really all there is. the entire tech economy is to entertain people?
Even worse: all there is is that we will watch ads
@@larslover6559 even further than that. The end is to convert your mind's attention into an economic transaction. Capitalism.
Good morning 🌞
No it isn't. I usually find his videos interesting, but his take in this one...not very good.
"Are you not entertained" 😂
AI is a change in human-machine interaction that will greatly increase the productivity of programming. It allows more people to program.
The path is just like machine code programming to high-level language. Now it is a high-level language programming to a natural language programming. Computers as tools will become easier to use, and the value of computers will be in the applications.
I used it i liked it a lot it really helps and its bs to tell they can replace coders, but one thing its not gonna be free forever ,,.
Imagine thinking programmers only exist to create consumable content.
He lives in a social media bubble, thats why 😂
I’m a BSA at a fortune 25 company. I’m grossly under qualified and I hate it. I just profile and map data with transformation logic and document business requirements. Chat GPT could likely do this far better than I can.
Isn't a BSA a Person-of-Contact (PoC) role? I thought the key to winning at PoC roles is facetime and impactful relationships?
the cream always rises to the top
Noticed they didn’t say under qualified but overly paid.
@@sheilag2231 payment is relative, it’s the conduit between business /Po and IT and stakeholder management generally. It requires sone soft skills but it is also a technical position. Obviously they are keeping me around for a reason, offered conversion to FTE but contracting also has its benefits. Yes the pay is good, the stress and work life balance is not.
@@Ikilledthebanks use AI and get the boss daughter then. C'mon bro!!
Wow you truly read what happened over the years, damn it kinda questioning why i chose to study CS. 4th semester here
Go to artificial intelligence
And create tools to help you
Don’t worry, techlead has a way of exaggerating things to make a point. It’s part of his sarcasm. Another thing is that I don’t think web3 is going away, just because it’s not the current hot trend. I think that’s going to be a big area of opportunity for devs, and VR and AR are both coming big time.
Also when he says that CS nerds have missed the boat, he’s talking from this perspective that only “entrepreneurs” like elon musk are worthy of any respect or consideration. As if the regular devs are just completely worthless losers cause they aren’t making millions. Again that’s more exaggeration in order to make a point, with also maybe some lack of self worth in their. If you feel worthless as a person, you will look increasingly toward compensating with external things like money ( but still be miserable )
@@alcoyot Good take down. Thanks!
I am thinking about studying CS but is it dumb to do now?
I have a general question: how many people actually buy the products that are advertised? I find 99% of the ads useless. Even when I need to buy something, I will just research on my own or go with my family or friends’ recommendations.
If artists have been replaced by A.I., if creativity has been replaced
Then there is no boundary A.I. can conquered, is just a matter of time, not if it can or cant
Im so sick and tired of this i dont know what to do, ditched my last course to start CS because every single person says its THE field to get into, and then as soon as i start, now its dying (or “already dead”) and its not even worth it to get into? i dont want to dedicate my life to something thats gonna be replaced in 10 years but im sick of changing paths man its fking me mentally and financially, im just so frustrated man
Look to a trade. Plumbers and electricians will always be in demand.
@@canoso have you seen the tesla bot building another tesla bot? Once that gets going the trades will die too.
@@derpherp7432 We've had machines building cars for decades. We still have auto mechanics, though.
@@canoso Many mechanics will lose their jobs to electric vehicles being far lower maintenance than ICE vehicles long before AI comes along, but yeah, eventually that too.
@@derpherp7432 If they don't pivot. Sure... but mechanics do adjust to the change in automotive tech. Much like, as a software developer, I adapt to the new and different languages and technologies that pop up. I don't get why people think workers won't adapt.
It is just like what Jensen Huang described - A new platform programmed with human language. It is still in its infant stage but once perfected coding will no long be needed.
I am wondering if it will get to a point like those programmers in the Westworld series? They don't code anymore, just use visual programming to move panels around, as simple as doing video editing on smart phone.
@@fkdump If you know Stephen Wolfram, he thinks that coding will be made obsolete. How soon? Nobody can tell.
By 2030 and the release of GPT 6 or even GPT 7, 90% of the programmers will lose their job. Why would a company pay 2000$ a month for a programmer when it can have chatgpt for 20$ a month and make the job faster and better?
It’s ironic how programmers are programming themselves out of use.
You´re right, but wrong at the same time. You're having short term vision... Right now chat gpt generates buggy code with no standards or following patterns... But that's today. What about in two years? There are students starting their 4 year program in software engineering and maybe in 2027 programmers will no longer be required as much as today...
Programming is not for seeking jobs, but building things. A programmer a artist... chatGPT is a great help, no more..
It's not chatGPT that you gotta worry about, its the next 2 gens after it that'll rock the boat so to speak
I like these more serious and honest Techlead videos.
QA Tester here and I believe our jobs are at risk. I was looking to learn python to go into automation but this has got me thinking about pursuing another career. Just don't know what to go into now.
you should still learn python and QA automation while you figure this out. It is a nice skill to have for the time being
@albertoarmando6711 just worried that by the time I learn automation, that job would become obsolete where as I could have put time into something that could would be future proof.
@@YB90Gaminglearn real AI not just libraries but the science behind them to get into hight level job
I honestly tried to use chatgpt for my job. I gave up. I simply don't have the time to debug or verify it's nonsense code.
Keep in mind, AI in very early stages of development, no one knows what it will be able to do in future.
The critical thing is what is done with code, no longer how to code
Excellent synopsis of the situation. Thanks!!!!
What about business web apps and apps, we still need developers there, AI cant build that, like finance, e commerce etc.
True but the number of developers needed will decrease as tools like ChatGPT will make developers more efficient.
Programming will just be a thing for hobbyists.
Like plein-air painting?
@@fkdump This took a minute to register until I googled and thought about it for a while 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What happens when you can upload your existing codebase and have gpt trained on it? Surely, productivity would go up exponentially and need for software engineers will be lowered.
Me before ai chat gpt came , was wasting my time , it was hard to get into programming to develop and create my projects , which I had in my head. Reading about how to code , what that is , without some advice was my only problem , and I believe there are many like me over the world. Now I can think of something using llm chat prompts and they can create and I would implement the code in my project. Making plans about how to address every single aspect of my project would've taken me months . Now I've created a physical game made of paper in 3 weeks. How is this connected ? It means there are a lot of people that feel disconnected on what they do their entire life yet they will never achieve it. Back on topic programmers have done their job , they have been doing this for the past 40 50 years , to the point we created AI, now it's the time to move on , use the tool to progress , invent new programming languages that talk with llms and so on. Reach nirvana 😂.
Finally all this technology is doing something usefull
I have a social media app idea that would sink Facebook, but it's super complicated so I'm glad it will be easier to create thanks to AI.
😂😂😂
The issue with apps is scaling. Your app can come out today and get copied by Facebook next month
hmm facebook already sinked ...
same. somehow we need to decentralize internet connectivity as a whole. because once self-hosted websites become mainstream, the rich who own internet access and ISPs will raise the prices even more
We don't more social media apps.
That may be true, however there's a ton of companies who still need to sell their product and need programmers to make it happen. So programmers are not only indie developers. There's a ton of enterprise work still.