I like how most of this footage is on Nancy’s House because we are stuck there for an eternity and will never escape. 😂 Good video! Thank you so much for the info! It’s always a great experience to see statistical evidence from the files validate various “feelings” I have - like Hands needing higher Endurance and doing more damage.
The issue with being able to drop items wherever you want is people will just drop lockpicks/shards at any objective they get pushed off of by family which will cause a lot of problems with pacing due to the game being designed for a victim only carrying two things. You can already drop valves and fuses if you swap it with another item so you can just grab a bonescrap/toolbox/heal and it will be there on the floor available for later which I think is enough people just need to get used to doing it.
I thought of that and you may be right on the pacing issue, there isn't really a neat solution to that problem. An alternative would be to be able to replace toolkits and bonescraps and they just drop on the ground instead of being removed, kinda of an expansion of the mechanic.
Our boy Eloxist back with the deep stats everyone wanted to know. You're the best. Hands is amazing for the game as soloq victims now finally need to coordinate more and perform more teamplay (as they were asking family to do vs Danny, who had no counters aside from "kill him"). Previously soloq vicitm has only been "every man/woman for themselves". This doesn't work anymore, which is why you see a lot of them asking for nerfs now - they want their no voice/no text chat solo playstyle back and play for themselfs again, while asking family to coordinate and do teamplay to stop them. For the apparent lack of bonescraps at victims disposal - if some of them would simply spam less random grappling without achieving anything, they would have a lot more bones for disabling traps. Also, with Bomb Squad, each victim carries 4 additional bones next to their inventory slots, which is more than enough to break through 1 HH + 1 Hands trap and then lockpick a Padlock + Base Lock in 1 go. If family doesn't interrupt you, you can take everything down in 1 go.
Hands single handily makes solo q a nightmare unless the family is really bad or one of them DCs. Forcing them to talk especially when comms in competitive games tends to racist and toxic just to beat one character isn't always going to be viable. His ripstall is broken because he can make both fuse and valve useless and if his teammates are competent they'll camp the other exits making it a long slog. While his traps are the weakest of the trap characters, it's ANOTHER trap that makes victims have to rely heavily on bone scraps (which are RNG spawned and limited to 3) or bomb squad which not all Victims have. You want to slow down the game? Fine. But Hands was an unhealthy answer to it because it'll just make Victims rush even harder forcing Hands to commit.
First order of business is fixing the stamina glitch on max. But agreed on the increased bone scraps and recoverable drops. Give Johnny the ability to destroy dropped items in the wild. Or give it to all family, they are patroling these objectives anyway.
I think alot of people are coming around to the cooldown being a problem. Not everyone obviously you have mains on either side who disagree but I think every reasonable person has come to this conclusion. I do think a big part of the hate Hands has gotten also comes from Maria being so underwhelming.
Nice video I get your insight on hands. I left this comment on another video that ranked him A tier which made no sense lol, I like the changes you said for victims with the scrap piles. I think they need to do more or at least revert empowered/choose flight bad enough these skill trees suck for victims mostly. keep up the work this was the other comment "yeah gonna have to disagree with you respectful about hands. family always been so easy but now hands allows for the most boring or long games. I did a game yesterday when i was outplaying everyone for 30 mins but guess why i couldn't escape?!! Hands ripping valve twice and fuse I did 3 times smh, cook was camping battery the whole game so hands and hitch just patrolling gen,fuse and valve. on top off having to deal with them double trapping objectives too much slow down! but yeah they nerf everything good on victims(choose flight,empowered,bomb squad etc) to help cry baby family members when they have always had the advantage after the stun change. either he needs a 3 min cooldown on his ripstall or they need to revert perk nerfs especially bomb squad with all the reuseable traps. no way in hell hands and hitch are not the top 2 not even debating that lmao. hands replaces bubba now and johnny tracking and lethalness is the best cant get away from his swings. this is from someone who plays both but family is boring because its too easy"
Hands is one of the most balanced characters, except for him being able to permantely unable an objective if he tampers 3 times its ggs family can just camp and its done I think if whenever hands ripstalled something he just carried the item on his back and when er victims stunned him the item was dropped and revealed it would solve all his problems you would still have a really big downside of making victims need to waste an ability/scrap or get lucky with doors objectives wouldnt be permantely unable and hands would be a high priority for victims so his gameplay wouldnt feel like a support and more like a "tank" gettin lots of cool clips and Danny should be able to tamper the same objectives but having the downside of not being able to use his ability points
we can always trust u to give good insight. i definitely think his ripstall needs a nerf, but everything else is perfectly balanced to me, and im glad we have a strong new family member instead of another nancy
I think they need a different solution to the trap/bone scrap problem because I feel like increasing the number of bone scraps inherently doesn’t really address the problem because it nerfs all team comps that aren’t Hands, HH, and Cook. They need to probably make bomb squad a general perk on everyone or just change what is used to disarm Hands’ traps to something like an unlock tool or something.
I disagree with 5 bone shards it should be 4 or kept as it is. You really wanna bring back the grapple choose fight spam which ruined the game for me and many others? What happens if it’s a Sissy Johnny and Cook in a game, just spam grapples and ggs
I like how most of this footage is on Nancy’s House because we are stuck there for an eternity and will never escape. 😂
Good video! Thank you so much for the info! It’s always a great experience to see statistical evidence from the files validate various “feelings” I have - like Hands needing higher Endurance and doing more damage.
No one truly escapes Nancy's house.
The issue with being able to drop items wherever you want is people will just drop lockpicks/shards at any objective they get pushed off of by family which will cause a lot of problems with pacing due to the game being designed for a victim only carrying two things. You can already drop valves and fuses if you swap it with another item so you can just grab a bonescrap/toolbox/heal and it will be there on the floor available for later which I think is enough people just need to get used to doing it.
I thought of that and you may be right on the pacing issue, there isn't really a neat solution to that problem. An alternative would be to be able to replace toolkits and bonescraps and they just drop on the ground instead of being removed, kinda of an expansion of the mechanic.
Our boy Eloxist back with the deep stats everyone wanted to know. You're the best. Hands is amazing for the game as soloq victims now finally need to coordinate more and perform more teamplay (as they were asking family to do vs Danny, who had no counters aside from "kill him"). Previously soloq vicitm has only been "every man/woman for themselves". This doesn't work anymore, which is why you see a lot of them asking for nerfs now - they want their no voice/no text chat solo playstyle back and play for themselfs again, while asking family to coordinate and do teamplay to stop them.
For the apparent lack of bonescraps at victims disposal - if some of them would simply spam less random grappling without achieving anything, they would have a lot more bones for disabling traps. Also, with Bomb Squad, each victim carries 4 additional bones next to their inventory slots, which is more than enough to break through 1 HH + 1 Hands trap and then lockpick a Padlock + Base Lock in 1 go. If family doesn't interrupt you, you can take everything down in 1 go.
which never happens because with hands rendering valve and fuse useless they just camp gen and battery
Hands single handily makes solo q a nightmare unless the family is really bad or one of them DCs. Forcing them to talk especially when comms in competitive games tends to racist and toxic just to beat one character isn't always going to be viable. His ripstall is broken because he can make both fuse and valve useless and if his teammates are competent they'll camp the other exits making it a long slog. While his traps are the weakest of the trap characters, it's ANOTHER trap that makes victims have to rely heavily on bone scraps (which are RNG spawned and limited to 3) or bomb squad which not all Victims have. You want to slow down the game? Fine. But Hands was an unhealthy answer to it because it'll just make Victims rush even harder forcing Hands to commit.
4:20 bro forgot the chose fight meta 💀
First order of business is fixing the stamina glitch on max. But agreed on the increased bone scraps and recoverable drops. Give Johnny the ability to destroy dropped items in the wild. Or give it to all family, they are patroling these objectives anyway.
Can you disable hand’s traps by triggering them as a victim or family member?
Yeah.
All these family members really have asthma SMH
Eloxist, great video! Right on time
I think alot of people are coming around to the cooldown being a problem. Not everyone obviously you have mains on either side who disagree but I think every reasonable person has come to this conclusion. I do think a big part of the hate Hands has gotten also comes from Maria being so underwhelming.
Eloxist is back!
Nice video I get your insight on hands. I left this comment on another video that ranked him A tier which made no sense lol, I like the changes you said for victims with the scrap piles. I think they need to do more or at least revert empowered/choose flight bad enough these skill trees suck for victims mostly. keep up the work this was the other comment "yeah gonna have to disagree with you respectful about hands. family always been so easy but now hands allows for the most boring or long games. I did a game yesterday when i was outplaying everyone for 30 mins but guess why i couldn't escape?!! Hands ripping valve twice and fuse I did 3 times smh, cook was camping battery the whole game so hands and hitch just patrolling gen,fuse and valve. on top off having to deal with them double trapping objectives too much slow down! but yeah they nerf everything good on victims(choose flight,empowered,bomb squad etc) to help cry baby family members when they have always had the advantage after the stun change. either he needs a 3 min cooldown on his ripstall or they need to revert perk nerfs especially bomb squad with all the reuseable traps. no way in hell hands and hitch are not the top 2 not even debating that lmao. hands replaces bubba now and johnny tracking and lethalness is the best cant get away from his swings. this is from someone who plays both but family is boring because its too easy"
Hands is one of the most balanced characters, except for him being able to permantely unable an objective if he tampers 3 times its ggs family can just camp and its done I think if whenever hands ripstalled something he just carried the item on his back and when er victims stunned him the item was dropped and revealed it would solve all his problems you would still have a really big downside of making victims need to waste an ability/scrap or get lucky with doors objectives wouldnt be permantely unable and hands would be a high priority for victims so his gameplay wouldnt feel like a support and more like a "tank" gettin lots of cool clips and Danny should be able to tamper the same objectives but having the downside of not being able to use his ability points
Have you made videos like this detailing every killers base stats and how they increase?
I have made some on how Stats work, Family usually shares stats in some way.
@@Eloxist ok yeah I watched the savagery video and i had a feeling certain characters had a higher base damage
we can always trust u to give good insight. i definitely think his ripstall needs a nerf, but everything else is perfectly balanced to me, and im glad we have a strong new family member instead of another nancy
Hes a biker not a linebacker
He has more stamina than any victim 🤦🏼🤦🏼
I think they need a different solution to the trap/bone scrap problem because I feel like increasing the number of bone scraps inherently doesn’t really address the problem because it nerfs all team comps that aren’t Hands, HH, and Cook. They need to probably make bomb squad a general perk on everyone or just change what is used to disarm Hands’ traps to something like an unlock tool or something.
Exactly, it’s like if you run into no trap characters you are just gonna get grapple spammed like the good ole days
I swear is it me or does hands look like the second removed cousin of shaw from open season
Whoa. Yeah, he ABSOLUTELY does lol.
Can you explain Nancy please ?
If you go straight up his ability tree his endurance will glitch out and he’s able to swing 200+ times, also you can trap lamps 👍
I forgot about traping lamps!
Also that is an exploit and will likely get fixed.
Danny became better if we removed the hack instantly ?
Someone said that the damage of barge is 5. Which is actually correct?
I checked the files, its 16.
I love you Elo
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I disagree with 5 bone shards it should be 4 or kept as it is. You really wanna bring back the grapple choose fight spam which ruined the game for me and many others? What happens if it’s a Sissy Johnny and Cook in a game, just spam grapples and ggs