craig biggio should talk to him, i remember biggio many years ago spent some time contemplating leaving to make more money elsewhere but he was very happy in houston and he took to spend time at a church to really think about it and ended up staying in houston and the rest is history
According to Biggio in an interview, the Astros raised the offer enough to his liking, or maybe the exact amount he wanted, that he literally signed with the astros with about a minute left before he signed with the Colorado Rockies. It was for money that he stayed with the astros, not nostalgia, for in his mind, he was gone!!!
I'd be willing to pay him $30 million per year, at no more than 3 years, with a player option in year 1 and a team option in year 3. That's it. No more. But then I'm like, I possibly couldn't stand to watch him pop up just about every time he comes up to bat with runners in scoring position!!!
I have no idea why we keep ignoring the outfield need. Altuve is 5'6".. We gave up the opportunity for Santander We gave up the opportunity for Profar Now we are about to give up the opportunity for Luis Robert. I can't wrap my head around this. All so we can have a 3rd baseman who we ALREADY REPLACED.
Actually, Bregman made $30.5 million in Houston last year on the fifth year of a rear rear loaded $100 million contract. I’m a little tired of this argument that he wants that or more going forward or it will be a decrease in pay. The fact is, over the last five years he made $20 million a year. The Astros, at 156/6, are offering him $26 million a year. I could see maybe Houston going to 171/6. But I think the current offer is fair. I also don’t understand where they thought they were goingwith Jorge Polanco. Supposedly, Polanco would have played second base, and Altuve would have largely gone to that field. So if Bregman comes back to play third base, what was their plan for Paredes, who they’ve been big on for awhile now? A lot of confusion in this whole deal.
I don't understand the fascination. He doesn't want to come here. At this point the Astros are the highest bidder. Why would you give him more. I think 156 is too much now. Bc he's been an Astro I would just ask him to take it or walk away. You have to walk away. Play those rookies
If the Astros "meet in the middle" with Bregman, then this shows they're not serious! THEY"RE NEGOTIATING AGAINST THEMSELVES and the fans have moved on! THE ASTROS MOVED ON!! We need an OF'er, not Bregman's butt!
Bregman was plan A but when he turned down 6/156m, then he became plan B and the Tucker trade became plan A. Don't confuse this - Bregman did all of this. He could have easily told Boras to get a deal done JUST like Altuve did. We didn't have this drama with Altuve. Bregman and Altuve have the same agent. If the Astros spend more money on Bregman and he starts off slow, the crowd is going to let him hear it. Boo Birds will be loud.
If Bregman really wants to stay home with us then he needs to commit as soon as possible. Dana Brown and the front office is hamstrung until he commits because they cannot finalize their roster: the roster of which Bregman will be a part. If he wants to hit in a better lineup then he needs to give his front office the best chance to put more pieces around him if they are going to do so. While we wait for him to squeeze the last drop of blood out of the Astros, all the other pieces are being taken off the table.
Alex verdugo would be a good option, he won’t cost much. Bregman wants more money, they should hurry up and sign verdugo. Not many options left out there …..
@@joseph9289 before he signed with the Yankees he was decent. He declined in NY but can definitely get back on track with Houston, especially with his compadre paredes and a lil plus he’s a natural left hitter
@@DavidCastillo-69 jake and alex both hit 13 HR last year and both had horrible avgs. The only difference is you are gonna have to pay Verdugo 7-10M to come here, i would rather pay Dezenzo 400k and have him hit .233 instead
@@Mario-it3po I understand but we clearly need help and there’s not much else out there. I feel like we could turn his swing around considering he’s had one bad year.
The argument that Bregman has ties to so many teams doesn’t really hold water for me. Just because a player knows one or two players well on another team is a non-factor as far as I’m concerned. He knows every player on the Astros. He has a history with these players. He is tight with the manager And the owner. He is good friends with Jose Altuve, a future Hall of Famer. That man is willing to give up his position to help Bregman get back. And from a business point of view, no one has made a better offer to Bregman than his own team. And from a business point of view, let’s not forget the fact that any of those other cities pay about 5% sales tax in their state. He would pay none in Texas. With the kind of money he’s talking about, $28.5 million in Boston, for example would be about $27 million a year in Houston. Something to think about.
@@stevennachlas9596 oh I am not saying that because of any ties he has with the clubs that those relationships, whether it’s singular or plural meaning multiple players that that is what persuade him to go there. My entire point of being of mentioning this is that it’s not very often that you see a free agent being sought after by multiple teams where he seemingly has ties with past teammates. That was my only point maybe I overstated it, but I thought it was rather peculiar that he had some sort of legacytie with each one of the people that are in the cities where he is being looked at other words, men that were on either one or both of the World Series teams with him actually, it would only be one each, but you understand where I’m going with that. Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciate it.
I do not know about the nuances of the Alex Bregman free agency. All I know from my observations is that Bregman is a big, BIG competitor. That is all I know.
Dismantle the astros legacy??? What are you talking about??? The astros did right in not paying the crazy contracts the other teams paid Springer and Correa. They priced themselves out of Houston. Their contracts are literally dead weight now for their respective teams. This Bregman contract the astros offered him is too long. If he signs here for that much, that contract will be dead weight after about 2 years. Just watch, if he signs here or elsewhere! The team must evolve with new players to keep atop in the standings. If the team is not moving forward, with new players hungry to win, then the team would just be spinning its wheels! You just cannot be a contending team with the same core of players fore 10 years or more. You need change and incentivised players that are motivated to win!
I say unfocused on Bregman. He had his chance and took a hard pass. The organization went out and filled not only Bregman's position but also addressed the lack of offense at 1B. Between Paredes and Walker they more than made up Bregman's stats. Save the money. Sign Hunter Brown and see how this season plays out. If they are competitive near the trade deadline then go out at find an outfielder that possesses some offense. Simple.
No, I'm fine with "losing" legacy players because THOSE PLAYERS DIDNT MAKE HOUSTON their #1 priority like Altuve did! You guys are always looking at things from the same lense instead of the disloyalty and mercenary mindset of players nowadays! I dont care about these players because they dont care about the fans or the game! They only care about money, so OK.
That's too many years. No more than 3, especially when Cam Smith and Brice Matthews should be ready in about 2 or 3 years to come up to the big leagues, maybe even 1 more year.
@@Mario-it3po Bregman isn't going to sign a short-term contract, so I was looking at a viable solution to keep the Astros under the luxury taxes if at all possible. I agree with you. Am not thrilled about 6 years.
craig biggio should talk to him, i remember biggio many years ago spent some time contemplating leaving to make more money elsewhere but he was very happy in houston and he took to spend time at a church to really think about it and ended up staying in houston and the rest is history
According to Biggio in an interview, the Astros raised the offer enough to his liking, or maybe the exact amount he wanted, that he literally signed with the astros with about a minute left before he signed with the Colorado Rockies. It was for money that he stayed with the astros, not nostalgia, for in his mind, he was gone!!!
Bregman is not worth thirty million a year.
His career is already on the decline.
Correct
Ditto
I'd be willing to pay him $30 million per year, at no more than 3 years, with a player option in year 1 and a team option in year 3. That's it. No more. But then I'm like, I possibly couldn't stand to watch him pop up just about every time he comes up to bat with runners in scoring position!!!
I have no idea why we keep ignoring the outfield need. Altuve is 5'6"..
We gave up the opportunity for Santander
We gave up the opportunity for Profar
Now we are about to give up the opportunity for Luis Robert. I can't wrap my head around this. All so we can have a 3rd baseman who we ALREADY REPLACED.
Actually, Bregman made $30.5 million in Houston last year on the fifth year of a rear rear loaded $100 million contract. I’m a little tired of this argument that he wants that or more going forward or it will be a decrease in pay. The fact is, over the last five years he made $20 million a year. The Astros, at 156/6, are offering him $26 million a year. I could see maybe Houston going to 171/6. But I think the current offer is fair. I also don’t understand where they thought they were goingwith Jorge Polanco. Supposedly, Polanco would have played second base, and Altuve would have largely gone to that field. So if Bregman comes back to play third base, what was their plan for Paredes, who they’ve been big on for awhile now? A lot of confusion in this whole deal.
Congratulations on the wedding, all the best Eric 🎉🍾
I don't understand the fascination. He doesn't want to come here. At this point the Astros are the highest bidder. Why would you give him more. I think 156 is too much now. Bc he's been an Astro I would just ask him to take it or walk away. You have to walk away. Play those rookies
Hell yes. Let him flip burgers if he’s not happy with the offer.
The ONLY way I want Bregman back is on a team friendly deal. He barely deserves 20 million, DEFINITELY not 30.
let him walk. go find some outfielders
If the Astros "meet in the middle" with Bregman, then this shows they're not serious! THEY"RE NEGOTIATING AGAINST THEMSELVES and the fans have moved on! THE ASTROS MOVED ON!! We need an OF'er, not Bregman's butt!
Bregman was plan A but when he turned down 6/156m, then he became plan B and the Tucker trade became plan A. Don't confuse this - Bregman did all of this. He could have easily told Boras to get a deal done JUST like Altuve did. We didn't have this drama with Altuve. Bregman and Altuve have the same agent.
If the Astros spend more money on Bregman and he starts off slow, the crowd is going to let him hear it. Boo Birds will be loud.
BREGMAN NEEDS TO MADE HIS MIND UP, SIGN OR LEAVE FOR WE CAN MOVE ON BUILDING OUR TEAM. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
If Bregman really wants to stay home with us then he needs to commit as soon as possible. Dana Brown and the front office is hamstrung until he commits because they cannot finalize their roster: the roster of which Bregman will be a part. If he wants to hit in a better lineup then he needs to give his front office the best chance to put more pieces around him if they are going to do so. While we wait for him to squeeze the last drop of blood out of the Astros, all the other pieces are being taken off the table.
Yes. Give him a deadline to sign with the astros, and make it public, with the idea that he wasn't going to sign here anyway.
Alex verdugo would be a good option, he won’t cost much. Bregman wants more money, they should hurry up and sign verdugo. Not many options left out there …..
I’m down with that
Verdugo is trash, better off saving money and playing Dezenzo
@@joseph9289 before he signed with the Yankees he was decent. He declined in NY but can definitely get back on track with Houston, especially with his compadre paredes and a lil plus he’s a natural left hitter
@ he still better then Jake Chas in my opinion. And can play all 3 outfield positions..
@@DavidCastillo-69 jake and alex both hit 13 HR last year and both had horrible avgs. The only difference is you are gonna have to pay Verdugo 7-10M to come here, i would rather pay Dezenzo 400k and have him hit .233 instead
Good. Astros don't need another middle-of-the-road infielder.
Astros need a capable outfielder with a DECENT BAT!
@@EdExTechur Alex verdugo. He can play all 3 outfield positions.
@@DavidCastillo-69 I’m really not understanding why everybody’s so against him. He had one bad year lol
@ThirdCoastNative You're not paying attention to his stats are you? He's trending down. His last great year was 2019. 6 years ago!
@@Mario-it3po I understand but we clearly need help and there’s not much else out there. I feel like we could turn his swing around considering he’s had one bad year.
@ One 'bad' year can be OK... there is always context for that.
Altuve only said he would go to the outfield IF they signed Bregman. So Altuve is going to outfield no matter who they sign?
Bro I don’t even think Bregman is worth it we have cam in the minors also
The argument that Bregman has ties to so many teams doesn’t really hold water for me. Just because a player knows one or two players well on another team is a non-factor as far as I’m concerned. He knows every player on the Astros. He has a history with these players. He is tight with the manager And the owner. He is good friends with Jose Altuve, a future Hall of Famer. That man is willing to give up his position to help Bregman get back. And from a business point of view, no one has made a better offer to Bregman than his own team.
And from a business point of view, let’s not forget the fact that any of those other cities pay about 5% sales tax in their state. He would pay none in Texas. With the kind of money he’s talking about, $28.5 million in Boston, for example would be about $27 million a year in Houston. Something to think about.
@@stevennachlas9596 oh I am not saying that because of any ties he has with the clubs that those relationships, whether it’s singular or plural meaning multiple players that that is what persuade him to go there. My entire point of being of mentioning this is that it’s not very often that you see a free agent being sought after by multiple teams where he seemingly has ties with past teammates. That was my only point maybe I overstated it, but I thought it was rather peculiar that he had some sort of legacytie with each one of the people that are in the cities where he is being looked at other words, men that were on either one or both of the World Series teams with him actually, it would only be one each, but you understand where I’m going with that. Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciate it.
All we talk about is Bregman. Let him go already
Man all this stuff about Bregman. He's not that good. Should have just signed Profar for the outfield
Ben Gamel???
I do not know about the nuances of the Alex Bregman free agency. All I know from my observations is that Bregman is a big, BIG competitor. That is all I know.
I'm half joking when I say this but are we sure the MLB isn't paying Dana Brown to dismantle the Astros dynasty?
Dismantle the astros legacy??? What are you talking about??? The astros did right in not paying the crazy contracts the other teams paid Springer and Correa. They priced themselves out of Houston. Their contracts are literally dead weight now for their respective teams. This Bregman contract the astros offered him is too long. If he signs here for that much, that contract will be dead weight after about 2 years. Just watch, if he signs here or elsewhere! The team must evolve with new players to keep atop in the standings. If the team is not moving forward, with new players hungry to win, then the team would just be spinning its wheels! You just cannot be a contending team with the same core of players fore 10 years or more. You need change and incentivised players that are motivated to win!
I say unfocused on Bregman. He had his chance and took a hard pass. The organization went out and filled not only Bregman's position but also addressed the lack of offense at 1B. Between Paredes and Walker they more than made up Bregman's stats. Save the money. Sign Hunter Brown and see how this season plays out. If they are competitive near the trade deadline then go out at find an outfielder that possesses some offense. Simple.
whose offer is bettr for Bregman? Why bid against ourself..Deadline on
our offer. Gonna be Tough payin 28-30 mil/yr for 37 yr old bregy
I would rather do 5 yrs 165 that's 33
Uncle Mike bats lefty, bring him back!
Hey I call it Bregman get signed by Stros on Feb #2!!!!
What's with Feb 2???
@Mario-it3po His jersey #2? Altuve signed with Astros on the 27th as well.
they can even defer some money to the other years to try and stay under the second luxury tax for the upcoming year
No, I'm fine with "losing" legacy players because THOSE PLAYERS DIDNT MAKE HOUSTON their #1 priority like Altuve did! You guys are always looking at things from the same lense instead of the disloyalty and mercenary mindset of players nowadays! I dont care about these players because they dont care about the fans or the game! They only care about money, so OK.
Exactly. I understand their point IF they didn't make an offer to Bregman. This is ALL on Bregman. 6/156m was more than fair.
Can we defer some of Bregmans contract?
Bregman $25 million signing bonus. Pay Bregman $5 million this year. Pay Bregman five more years at $30 million a year.
That's too many years. No more than 3, especially when Cam Smith and Brice Matthews should be ready in about 2 or 3 years to come up to the big leagues, maybe even 1 more year.
@@Mario-it3po
Bregman isn't going to sign a short-term contract, so I was looking at a viable solution to keep the Astros under the luxury taxes if at all possible. I agree with you. Am not thrilled about 6 years.