Is Jesus Another Name for Michael the Archangel? (Refuting the Watchtower, Part 2)
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- Jehovah's Witnesses insist that Jesus is a created being who's name used to be Michael the Archangel before he was incarnated as a man. Is this really what the Bible tells us?
Given in the Wednesday evening meeting of Weare Bible Baptist Church, 11/15/23
Sermon by Pastor Josh Barnes
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This is the second of your sermons I've listened to. I appreciate the sound and thorough biblical teaching.
I wonder why the name Miʹcha·el means "the one who is as god is". He certainly wasn't no created being like you and me. Jesus is the only robot in the whole world, everyone else has their own will but he can only do the will of his father, can you not see I do not my own will. The only one. He repeats this quite a bit. "I can of mine own self do nothing". Therefore how could he be anything other than the father, there's no other will in there. So who else is he?
Matthew 24:31 “And he (Jesus) will send forth his angels with a GREAT TRUMPET SOUND, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.”
The Jehovah Witnesses need to read Hebrews 1
The jw's need to do a lot more than just read Hebrews. They need to throw out their entire 100% fake manmade religion. And that is never going to happen.
They have. Paul clearly states that God chose Jesus from among the ANGELS.
'To WHICH of the ANGELS did God say..' (1:5,13).
The question is did God choose just any angel? No! He sent the leader of the angels. His only begotten son. Also known as Michael the Archangel.
@@jimjuri6490 ,...Yes, of course Michael is Jesus, this is an undeniable fact. However, we must understand what an angel is. The word angel simply means messenger and when the Bible mentions an angel it is referring to a human as all angels are humans.
Jesus (Michael) is the chief messenger. All the other Christians are all angels, Gods messengers. There is no non human entity that is an angel. All angels are humans with the only exception being the Angel of the Lord that is Jesus/Michael.
@@VoxClamantisinDeserto-zw2mt : Not sure who came up with such a theory.
The ANGELS are spirit beings who reside with God in heaven.
(Job 1:6) Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them.
This is about an assemble taking place in heaven.
Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Jesus, who was made a little lower than angels,
Jesus was an angel who was made into a human.
Angels are not humans.
@@jimjuri6490 What I have stated is not a theory as you need to believe. It is the truth of the Bible. There is no such thing as non human spirit beings. If you think there is, please show me where the Bible tells us God made non human spirit beings?
Also, please show me where the Bible tells us God made a non human spiritual being that is satan?
The truth is, in Job what is being told is, the sons of God (the Christians/believers of that time) as well as a non believer like yourself (satan) presented themselves before God. These were all humans right here on the earth.
Jesus was made a little lower than the normal humans in that he came to serve them. Jesus was not an angel made into a human. Jesus was God who took human form and became like one of us in order to redeem the few who are his chosen ones.
Angels absolutely are humans. All angels are humans, Gods messengers, just as I right now am bringing the actual message of Gods word to you that you have zero understanding of.
The fact is, you have everything 100% wrong and are in reality completely Biblically illiterate. Your whole fake christianity is a manmade fraud. It is all unbiblical science fiction nonsense.
Again, please show me where the Bible tells us that God created non human spiritual beings? The fact is, you will never find it because it does not exist. God made humans only, other than the beasts, birds, and fish. The apostate church and its manmade science fiction christianity has deceived you. Repent!
Not only jw's believe that, there are more who believe that.
Its sometimes confusing.
The fact is, Jesus is Michael, Michael is Jesus. Anyone who does not understand this does not understand the Bible.
@@awatchman-um7vy Silly!!!
The fact remains that there are a plethora of interpretations of “the Bible” in the world today that dont agree with each other, yours being only one, and yet…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
@@srich7503 ,...The reason there are a plethora of interpretations is because the entire church is apostate. The people who make up and fill all the churches are not the people of God, they are the unsaved, spiritually dead, spiritually blind people of the Godless world.
There is one correct interpretation to the Bible and all those few who actually belong to Jesus have it.
"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." 1 John 2:27 KJV
The church (all its manmade denominations) is made up of and for those who do not belong to Jesus. Again, the few who Jesus came to save have nothing to do with anything known as the church. They are all outside of the apostate church (the false prophet). Jesus has sanctified (separated) them.
You, like all those snared into all the churches have been deceived and are steeped in darkness and deception. Repent!
Two things stood out for me. The very scripture that says Christ comes back with the voice of an archangel it is rather the 1st proof that He is not an archangel. Otherwise the scripture would say Christ comes back with his voice and a trumpet. 2ndly and most importantly if Christ was archangel Michael would He had told us during his life on Earth?! These two alone prove to me He is the living God part of the Trinity and not an archangel.
You have shown that you do not understand the Bible. How can you possibly think that when the Bible tells you that Jesus comes back with the voice of an archangel it means that he is not the archangel? Michael is Jesus, this is absolute. Jesus is the archangel, the head messenger. How do you not understand this?
Having the voice of an archangel is being the archangel. There is only one archangel,.....Jesus/Michael.
Your second proof is even more ignorant than your first exposure of your total Biblical illiteracy. And then you mention the trinity. There is no such thing as a trinity. God is not a trinity, and the 100% false manmade idea of God being a trinity has only come from the 100% apostate church and its fake christianity that you have been snared into.
You have everything wrong and do not at all understand the Bible nor the Bibles Christianity. This is why you are part of whatever church you are a part of.
1 Corinthians 15: Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. “
jESUS IS gOD INCARNATE, jOHN 1"1 no Jesus.
Collect all Jesus statements exclusively to his own apostles concerning his deity, he said he is not the father God, and collect all Jesus statements to his critics Jews, and you'll find out he lied to them, and most christian theologists today are victims of his lies, his sword, his figurative divisive statements, @ Matthew, 10:34-35 /Mat, 13:10-11 /Mark, 4:34,
JESUS IS NO ANGEL
Jesus absolutely is an angel. He is the archangel, he is Michael. You have totally failed to understand the Bible.
So you are saying that Jesus is an angel and a chief of Angels. That's Masonic teaching, downgrading Jesus into a Angel when his is GOD/ A GOD, who can create, Angels cant create only the ELOHIM/gods can. Have you read the book of Enoch or Jubilees 2 Ezra. Jesus/ Yahshua will lock Gadreel\Satan the Devil up in Gehenna for a 1000 years, but first Michael has to throw him down to earth, then Armageddon
@@richardchildress9031 ,...No, this is the teaching of the Bible that you have failed to understand due to you being 100% steeped in a masonic religion. How do you not understand that the angel of the Lord in the old testament was God/Jesus?
An angel is a messenger, and God/Jesus is the head/chief messenger. All the messages of truth come from God/Jesus, who was/is the angel of the Lord, the chief messenger/archangel/Michael.
All other angels spoken of in the Bible are humans. The only non human angel is Jesus/Michael, the chief messenger. The proble is, you simply have no Biblical understanding and you prove this again with your mention of the 100% fraudulent, false, manmade, unbiblical books of enoch, jubilees, ezra, etc.
Also, there is no satan, the words devil/satan only refer to Godless mankind. Please show me where the Bible tells us that God created a non human being that is the devil/satan? The idea of there being an entity that is the devil/satan has only come from the 100% apostate church and its freemason religion of scientism.
The sad fact is, you are completely outside of the kingdom of God and are 100% steeped in the Godless worlds/churches freemason religion of scientism. You have been deceived, Repent!
@@awatchman-um7vy
No.
Michael is of the order of archangel; one of many.
Christ is the ONLY begotten of the Father.
Moreover, archangel is not the position held by the Son in the Kingdom of God. That is not His rank.
In the Kingdom of God, Christ is King.
As well, He is "LORD of hosts."
Creator of the angels. He created the hosts of the heavens.
@@mattmurdock2868 ,...You are just speaking 100% unbiblical nonsense. What you have stated has no basis whatsoever in truth nor in reality, it is just all from your 100% fake science fiction christianity.
You know nothing of the truth of Gods word, you are 100% outside of the kingdom of God, still spiritually dead and blind, and completely deceived. Repent!
Jesus is not Michael Jesus created the angels. [John 1:3]
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
the bible teaches in the beginning was the Word. the Word was with God and was God. Jesus is God and he is not Michael
@@strayspark1967 ,...Jesus is absolutely Michael. If you were not completely spiritually dead and blind, you would know this. Repent!
@@awatchman-um7vy
The Holy Spirit does nor bear witness with your statement, the Bible will not support your beliefs.
@@mattmurdock2868 ,...Your problem is, you do not have or know the Holy Spirit. My 100% correct statement is 100% supported by the Bible. If you were not still spiritually dead and blind, as well as completely Biblically illiterate you would know the truth I spoke for your edification.
You are steeped in darkness, deception, and in a 100% fake christianity. Repent!
I believe the JW's are incorrect. "Michael the arch angel" is Adam the first man on Earth.
Wrong! Michael is Jesus. The fact that so few understand this only shows how absolutely apostate the church is.
Jesus identifies himself with Michael the Archangel. Jesus at Matthew 24:21,30 with the prophecy at Daniel 12:1.
Paul clearly states that Jesus is Michael the Archangel at 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
Revelation 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and HIS ANGELS...
2 Thessalonians 1:7...at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with HIS POWERFUL ANGELS...
How many LEADERS of the Faithful Angels can there be?
God SENT His SON from heaven (Galatians 4:4). Whom God SENT is given in the scriptures for those interested.
John 12:46 I have come as a light into the world, so that everyone putting faith in me may not remain in the darkness.
The world in general prefers to live in the darkness (Matthew 7:13).
Yes, absolutely, Michael is Jesus. He is the chief messenger of all the other angels (messengers) who are the actual Christians.
@@VoxClamantisinDeserto-zw2mt : Jesus was a Jew. Christians are FOLLOWERS of Jesus.