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In this episode of Deep Dive we are hopping in a time machine back to the early 2000’s and uncovering the dark side of Hilary Duff’s career, her relationships during her Disney days & how her sister’s pop career was sabotaged by the queen of the scene herself… Paris Hilton.
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The way she deflects all of the weird, uncomfortable interview questions and comments like it didn't bother her a bit. It's incredible
The Disney machine. She was completely trained to do this.
Its a sign of stockholm syndrome, where you fall into a place of fawning. Its to deflect intrusive/abuse, but unfortunately it makes light and normalises alit of weird behaviour. She was trained that way on purpose and alot of girls would have looked at her and copied.
Yeah, it's gross.
she probably been dealing with that since she was 8
I mean does she though? You can clearly see that she's uncomfortable, it just went ignored until her stonewalling finally forced them to relent.
Between this and the Britney Spears documentary, I'm really shocked about how grown men felt it was ok to ask young women, sometimes minors, about their sex life on live television.
A lot of men are like that unfortunately. There is a reason why “teens” is one of the most searched keywords on xxx-sites 🤢
Dude I know. Even tho as a society we’re still not even that far removed from that sorta behavior, it’s extremely alarming how no one batted a fuckiny eyelash. Not to mention the onus is completely on the young woman in question to not make a big deal outta it and keep things light and airy while answering this extremely invasive and predatory and disgusting question. It makes me crazy!!!!
It's Hollywood. Older men exploited young teenage stars for years
@@lalalu6850 hold on let me puke for a sec
Because they are old from a bygone generation when all types of shit was allowed even owning slaves.
Everyone was so damn creepy with her, I just remember her seeming so grown up to me, but looking back now (me being 30,) I feel so uneasy about the questions they’re asking her and how good she is at placating people. It’s not normal for a teenager to be so trained in dodging invasive questions like it’s acceptable.
She was trained by Disney pedophiles a d her mom
Yes her mom raised her right! They say her mom was doing too much but actually wasn’t. We still live those movies til this day . That’s sad life is crazy
I'm 36 and I remember this era too well. At the time most of us knew it was creepy and but with social media voices are louder, people are called out more.
@@QueenBluntdanaeHer mom didn't raise her well at all, she allowed a grown man to date her minor child! 🤮
Hollyweird does that with all kids. Justin Bieber talked about it later on about how they all sexualized him and grown adults (in the industry) grabbing him and forcing kisses on him when he was a kid
My mom must have really sheltered me from all of this cause I had no idea any of this happened with Hilary and the other girls! The early 2000s really were THAT wild🤯
I didn’t either! I think the lack of social media made it harder to out the pieces together cuz you really had to go looking for it vs it being pushed in your face
That’s helarious
Lol what’s wild about it ?
I remember kinda knew from seeing it on SNL. But I didn’t really register what was going on I was probably like 9 or 10 lol but I just know I had a bad or negative feeling from that SNL moment.. likely We were too young to care about the drama😂 cause I’m 27 so this is totally MY SHIT The Lizzie Movie was EVERYTHING to Me. I feel so old lol
Haha same. I didn't even know all this.
there is no such thing as a “stolen boyfriend” chiiild pls don’t frame this young girl as a predator when it’s the older, adulterous, creepy men in her life and in the industry.
No creppy women of course...so woke...
@@truthwooph4083 she was a literal minor. The adult man is the one in the wrong. How is a guy cheating the other girls fault?
@@clairebarns1560 I'm saying putting a spotlight on men's bad behaviour while downplaying everything women do is pathetic and hateful ...
Hold both genders to the same standard or stfu ..is all I'm saying !
As a child between the age of 5 and 11 at this time I had no knowledge of all that transpired for Hilary. I remember thinking within the last few years of how she managed to escape Disney without ending up like Amanda, Lindsey, and Miley but now watching this I never realized just how CLOSE she came to falling like they did
Except, Miley didn't fail. She created her own path.
Everyone saying "I'm glad she kept herself sane" it probably took a whole lot of therapy and self love. No one knows how people struggle behind closed doors .
This is actually so sad because although she seems like such a sweet person, she never seemed genuine in these clips. She grew up having to put out this persona of perfection, and when you display a persona that often I'm sure it messes with you and invades your true personality. Especially with her being that young. She spent her childhood being a perfect work horse. Her nervous/fake laugh will probably haunt my dreams tonight. I hope she's found happiness in life 💜
Omg right! 😭
nervous laughter is a thing, I have it too
She was a child. She is nothing like that as an adult woman and she's doing great. Not hard to figure that out btw but thanks for spreading the hate, mean girl.
Yeah I was thinking the same. You can see that she was trained to act that way, probably from a very young age so it looks like it comes easy to her. But it doesn't really look genuine. I do gotta say tho, I like her response to uncomfortable situations and how she knows how to respond in a charismatic way.
Same, the entire video all I could utter was damn ! 😳😱🥺
She might be one of the only celebrities who started at such a young age that still looks like herself. So many are almost unrecognizable to their old selves bc of all the work they have done. She also seems to have stayed true to herself and humble which is a miracle for a childhood star.
I use to think that Hilary was one of the few Disney Child stars that came out “normal”. Despite that being true, it doesn’t mean she didn’t suffer any trauma and abuse behind cameras and closed doors. I highly suspect that dating Joel when she was a teenager wasn’t completely her choice. And even if it was, why would her parents allow it🤔🤔🤔?????
She’s the only gorgeous one
sooo true despite what I think might have been a heek fat redution, she looks virtually the same.
@@kimberleywilliams7802 aging thins your cheeks out. I had big cheeks just like young Hilary and now at 30, they're normal sized. She was very thin for a bit when she was younger (I think she had an eating disorder) and that made her face look gaunt. Now that she's a healthy weight, she looks great, and her cheeks look normal. She still has a round face. Buccal fat removal has a particular look and her face doesn't have it.
@@AshleyWilliams-xq7lj I always wondered if that was it, maybe you're right.
as someone who was a teen in 2007 and still knows the "old" way of stardom without social media hearing you explain it was a bit funny, then I realized young people might not know this nowadays. o.O
I think many young people don't realize there was a time before social media let alone the internet and other things.
@@Memento_Mori_Morals true. like i can barely imagine a time without a telephone and radio.
@@piiinkDeluxe I mean it’s not that hard to imagine. im only 24 and i remember how excited I was to have my own portable cs player. Cassettes. Pagers. Not being able to use the internet and phone at the same time..technology SHOT UP in the early 2000s. Faster than it had in the previous 30 years.
I graduated high school in 2007
Same here! I was also a teen in 2007 and this really made me realize just how long ago this really was and how much has changed.
Her fight with avril was like the most heartbreaking thing for my 12 yro past as someone who loves both of them
Yeah, it was sad to see that.:( it’s so weird, too, because it was kind of a small thing, but it seemed to piss Avril off a good bit.
I prefer Avril ♥️
I grew up with Avril- not Hilary, but the feud seemed so stupid and pointless.
@@xtrastrengthsassx1269 avril seemed pissed off all the time lol
@@misoasoda340 Hilary started it and Avril just wouldn't let go
conans response to her talking about the trailer thing is spot on cause who in their right mind wouldnt think thats predatory. But i cant blame her...shes been in the spotlight for so long...its hard to notice when ppl have bad intentions.
I thought that too. Glad Conan is who he is.. it's beyond creepy.
Especially when you’re 15.. I can’t even imagine.
Common sense tho. He doesn't get a cookie for that. Automatically it should've been said by everybody
People were so weird about Joel’s tattoos, it’s funny how things change. But yea it was creepy that a grown ass man was dating a literal child.
That shit's been going on from the beginning of hollyweird and still is going on today!!
We can blame Hollywood for these shady situations with age gaps in acting but the underage actresses have parents who had to consent to it 🤷🏻♀️. Parents play a part in these traumatizing situations too!
Parents be greedy for money, trade their children for money. Literally steal their childhood
But where are the parents when their children are acting amongst mostly adults in Hollywood? They are seen as tiny adults and not as teenagers. I totally can understand why a Joel Madden would hit on Hilary. He's a man, she's cute and pretty. Still doesn't make it right. There are things you could do but you shouldn't. He didn't care. In our normal reality, for a 25 year old going out with a 26 year old would be not possible and it wouldn't even really happen.
I was around the same age as Hilary back then and as a teenager at that time in your life you sometimes thought dating an older guy is "cool" and "grown-up" and tbh I didn't think anything of it when Hilary was dating Joel. Only now I realize what that age-gap *REALLY* meant. There is NO way a 25-year-old guy has anything in common with a 16-year-old girl - so yeah, the "relationship" was straight-up predatory and paedophilia. Period. And they blamed her while not calling out the adult(s) in the situation. Disgusting.
Can we talk about the fact that an adult says one of them looks like a horse? What kind of adult person bully kids like that?
I was looking for this comment! That's so unnecessarily mean and immature. But, I cant help, but wonder who she was referring to
@@kristinamnatsakanyan. Hilary. That was a common insult at her because her veneers are big. Fucked up.
Chelsea handler is a talentless hack
Chelsea Handler is not exactly a class act
Yeah she definitely has the "not like other girls" thing about her
Damn...I literally cannot image going through petty teenage drama and having the entire world watch and comment about it. Teenage drama already feels like the end of the world when it happens and having literal news stations report and make up even more drama filled rumors must have been brutal for them
You got tik tok? If it's toxic enough and goes viral, you too cab imagine. Just need the drama
Grown Adults making fun literal teens/kids will never not be weird and cringe to me. 🤦🏻♀️As a woman in my 30s I'd be disgusted if I was told to do so
I've always liked Hilary duff better than any other actor in Disney growing up she seemed more relatable and not just a trendy mean girl.
Yes. I always liked Hillary.
Thank god for Conan. Probably the only man with a real platform who highlighted the messed up crap forced on Hilary.
Oh man, I didn’t remember she dated Joel Madden when she’s she was 16. Wtf does a 25 yo have to do with a 16 yo? That is extremely creepy and gross.
The aughties were awful. The pitting of young women against each other, the paparazzi stalking these same young women, and the shaming of them. Building up the Mean Girls and then tearing them down again.
And watching Charlie Gibson, who was once an actual journalist, grill her on her relationship with Aaron Carter was so incredibly cringe worthy.
nah, they were awesome. Much better than this PC world
@@skurinski they were both awful and awesome
Hillary still sounds like such a nice, down to earth woman
Kim desperate for attention? Shocked.
the first interviewer that kept saying “how good a friend” was a creeeeep. so sad what she went through at such a young age :(
Please do a documentary on Tyra Banks and her show America's next top model. I think people need to know what really happened behind the scenes and how the women were treated. I had always been a fan of ANTM until I watched one of the shows episodes again with the behind the scenes moments and realized the trauma these women had to go through with each episode it was disgusting.
I second this!!
I'll never forget when she bullied one girl into cutting all her hair off, and she did it and then cried. I used to watch it, but even being younger, I knew that was nasty. I stopped watching.
I remember thinking the way they treated those models was awful as a child watching! I can't imagine how much worse it would be as an adult. The beauty standards in the 90's were so damaging to many of us that had to grow up through that. I remember very clearly a scene in ANTM where they were denying a black woman a chance on the runway because she was too dark and apparently the lighting would not work with her skin. I remember my Dad literally shouting at the TV he was so angry at the racism 😭. I remember so many terrible ways the models were treated. It was all done for shock factor. But was really damaging to children's view of their self image seeing this 😢. We had to grow up in the time you had to be a 'size zero', unrealistically 'nauturally' beautiful with minimal makeup, if you were a minority almost nothing was 'for you' and you didn't fit in unless you changed yourself. We have had to relearn to love ourselves as we are us 80's/90's babies
I don’t know why the thing that shocked me the most was Kim’s response to Haley. That was revolting. Especially since the email prior to that was her saying she was an adult and was done with all the drama. It’s disgusting how someone’s main image can be so positive and misleading when in reality they’re all bullying each other. Poor skete:(
Skete is a sex addict.
@@radfem28 okay
@@tifffannybae I'm saying this because is the only explanation of why on earth he is dating Kim K. And because my best friend have borderline personality too and he checked into rehab for sex addiction.
Idk it seems imo fake or like someone else sent it.
Kim was a nobody back then who wanted to be a celebrity. She’d do anything to move from star’s assistant to star so throwing a friend under the bus wasn’t a big deal to her.
Botched queen Kim Kardashian criticizing Haylie Duff's looks is pretty hilarious.
Noticed that when she was "underage" she kept denying that they were dating and just giggle to the question. Maybe she tried to keep her relationship a secret when she was underage so he wouldn't get into trouble since he's in his 20's and she was just a teen. Then noticed when she was finally 18, they were all over each other and admit that they were dating during interviews since she was finally legal to date him. It's pretty obvious that she was dating him at 16 she just didn't want to get him into trouble with the law. Celebrities aren't good with interviews when everyone knows the obvious.
I never cared a bit about Hilary Duff, but you guys are so good at what you do, I was engrossed!
When I was 16 I met a 25 year old and when he called our house my mom shut that down real quick and forbid me to see him. Where was Hilary's mom during all of this?
She a W
God the way talk show hosts spoke to a literal teenager in such a gross way back then, and how normalized it was, is insane.
I was one of those tweens that was obsessed with Hillary Duff. We didn’t have Lizzie Macguire in Russia when I was very little, but as soon as I moved to Australia in 2004, I was hooked.
Unlike other icons of that era (who I know went out drinking and clubbing and I thought this was ‘bad’), Hillary was so relatable. She was funny, quirky, nice and a talented singer. I wanted to be just like her.
I know a lot of this was manufactured, but I’m so happy to see that my childhood idol appears to genuinely be a lovely person irl as well.
Of course, as a kid in the 2000s, I was sheltered from all the real life drama. It’s truly disturbing to see what Hillary and her peers went through.
I'm a complete cody lohan stan after watching this.
Fr I can imagine his face when he said "Simple Plan guys must be nicer!" 🏃♀️🏃
I was too young to get into the drama at the time, so I loove this! You guys are doing such a great job ⭐️
I’m dying at the fan screaming ,”SHES 15, HES 25, THATS DISGUSTING AND ILLEGAL” like??? Why didn’t we have more of this reaction back in the 2000s? 🤣😂? But once again, I was just a kid when this happened, so I had no idea Joel was THAT old
Those interviews were in the 2000s
So much THIS!!
Kids literally didn’t have protection back then. They had only just started talking about those things in the 90’s. 2000’s was also the times when we really had to start keeping kids inside more often
Timestamp?
@@AshJae that’s not true at all. there were many small town outrages over kidnappers or child killers way before then, around the 70s and 80s, but without widespread news about it it wasn’t as understood. people knew it was unsafe to let their kids out alone, they just make bad choices. the parents & our society should take some effing responsibility
Sure, let's blame Hilary for dating a "bad boy" instead of Joel for dating a literal sixteen-year-old 🙄
he lucky this didn't happened now because he would've been canceled and arrested for dating Hillary
@@CheGuevara-uf4pm one o
@@CheGuevara-uf4pm it's sad the 2000s was like this
It’s always blame the victim blame the women :///
We saw this with another prominent relationship with some old dude and underage girl I forgot their names tho
@ Butterfly13
After hearing so sooo many horror stories about what child stars went through. It makes me start to wonder if Hilary even dated that guy by her own desired choice orrrrrrrr………finish them sentence 🙁🙁
I love Conan for pointing out how weird it is for a director to invite two young actors (one underage) to his trailer to kiss. It is completely creepy.
Conan used to be one of the only hast that would call out all sorts of creepy behavior back then. Still rare even today
I seriously don’t understand why it’s okay for a 15 year old to make out with a 22 year old because “it’s for a movie” It’s disgusting
Conan calls out bullsh!t every time. Sad that the show ended. He was the best, but it's not hard to be the best when your rivals are creeps like leno or letterman or fakes like fallon and kimmel.
@@dor4376 i just think he did not play the pop-culture game strong enough(i liked ot though)
Forever team Coco
The scarier thing is how EVERYONE was SO obssessed with her becoming 18. Like ...dude.
It was the same with the Olsen Twins. The entertainment industry’s is fucked and everyone else just accept it and feeds into it
people were even counting down to billie eilish turning 18. unfortunately there will always be predators out there 💀
That is one thing that hasn’t changed
@@am5783 And Britney. People were OBSESSED about her virginity. Seriously the 90s and 2000s for girl celebs was SICK. Still is, but not *as* bad in THAT regard
@@floral-smoke yes! It was awful. The way not only the entertainment industry but the media ruined that girl’s mental health shakes me to my core. The 90s and 00s will always be remembered, for me at least, as the era of hounding young women, treating them like crap and expecting them to starve for an ideal body image. You’re so right though, I think with social media nowadays and women speaking up more, they take less shit from the men in charge but it’s still very much remnant of 20/30 years ago (god sake I can’t believe the 90s was so long ago I can’t 😂)
Paris Hilton was an absolute menace. I know she's been through some hellish shit, but she was awful to a lot of people.
So was Kim
And now people online making fun of her baby😭
What hellish shit? She was a spoiled brat.
Agreed.
Agreed, she was a monster
The fact that she had a hit TV show, 6 movies, 3 albums, 2 world tours and a clothing line in the matter of 2/3 years all before she was 18 blows my mind. As a kid, I saw her everywhere. She was my entire childhood but now that I look back I can’t believe how much pressure she was under at such a young age. I guess I always thought she was older.
It’s so wild!!
time flies
I truly thought she was older
I can't believe she was only 15 at the height of her career, both on Lizzy McGuire, the songs she released and that Cinderella movie. I thought she was at least 16-17 if not older just because her face look so much mature! Most 15 year olds have chipmunk cheeks, look super young and a little awkward - not Hillary. How is her face so flawless; she's so pretty.
Those weren't world tour's lol she played mostly in the U.S and went to Canada her second tour was the same with additional date's in Asia Canada and the U.S
@@LovelyLittleLillies I did NOT realise Chad Michael Murray was in his 20's whilst she was 15 in Cinderella, that was one of my fav movies.. it now makes it a little weird now. And why was the guy she dated from good charlotte going after her when he was like 25 ... creepy .
the fact that it's an open fact that a director asked a 15 y/o to go into his trailer to watch her makeout with her costar, and the director continued/continues to get work just about sums up the film industry and its blatant p*dophelic idolization. So disheartening.
Good that Conan kind of called him out.
It's disgusting right?!
hollyweird is nothing but pedophiles and creepy old men producers getting away with child abuse and trafficking
dan schnaider 🤮🤮 to name one
but money hungry parents of these overworked kids chose to look away 👀
It's pretty unheard of to rehearse any kind of scene with the director in his trailer, the most that happens is to work on some lines in there if you, you the actor, go for a note.
💯👏👏
I love how Conan was disgusted with all this stuff.
It’s refreshing to see a grown man treat her like a person and not a sexual object.
He joked about it in such a Conan way 😅 we all were thinking it lol
Then there's hosts like Howard Stern... I get he was a shock jock, but the way he used to talk about underage or barely legal girls was beyond disgusting
@@edro51188 I dislike Howard so MUCH because of this. Not to mention him pressuring women to do sexual things on his show even when they adamantly denied to do so. Howard Stern is disgusting.
Stern was given a pass because of the title of "shock jock" he used as a way to protect him from accountability for his creepy self. It was more acceptable because it was his "job".
I wouldn't be surprised if "stuff" comes out about Stern, too. He gives me peado vibes.
Her laughter is the exact example of “ I’m uncomfortable around these men” and it hurts and makes me nauseous
I think it's also a side effect of the Disney training to be the perfect, Happy girl
Yeah nervous laughter is a thing
It sucks how ppl try and dumb down the actual problem. If the interview was a women then Hilary would of had the same reaction. The interviewers problem wasnt his gender but his blatant disrespect of Hilarys privacy.
Every female knows that laugh intimately, it made my blood boil for her 😖
@@kalync.8232 how about both.
She has always stayed so emotionally composed, I can only imagine her breakdowns behind closed doors. I just want to give her a hug!
This is exactly what I thought
Her parents were some of the more protective ones tbf
Lol now imagine her slaving away on a farm year after year while disabled without help
Or homeless and living in intractable pain and starving
Poor baby
Or sitting in illegal solitary confinement for weeks straight until her legs go permanently numb.
I just can't imagine her suffering and pain
@@lockandloadlikehell as a disabled person myself honestly sounds like ur projecting ur own internilised abilism to be honest 😂😂 u might wanna work on that dude its not everyone elses problem we dont get adequate supprt its the gov that does jack shit to educate society and make things more acomiateing so mabie bare that in mind when ur lashing out
@@lockandloadlikehell ...you do realize pain isn't a competition, right?
The predatory ‘journalist’ at 8:06 is Charles Gibson.
The director of A Cinderella Story watching his actors (including an underage girl) kiss in a trailer (17:56) is Mark Rosman - he was 45 years old at the time of directing this movie.
The focus is always on the victims but should be on the creeps - they should be called out.
Thank you so much for telling their names.
so disgusting thank you for telling us
Spread the truth
Amen
Agreed. Thank you!! This was extremely creepy.
I can't believe how well she handled herself during all those inappropriate interviews. Shows what a strong person she is!
She has a good momma that looked out for her best interests
Media training
It's really disgusting how much adults want to know about their relationship status and exactly how much longer until they're 18
It's creepy as hell
They like them young because they're easy to manipulate and make them believe everything they're told.
Joy Philbin should apologize on behalf of her late husband Regis. Kelly Ripa should also apologize.
Exactly. The creepy vibes were off the charts.
And men still do but they dont do it so publicly now. Such perverts
I hate how Hillary was getting a lot of heat for her relationship and not Joel Madden when he was clearly the one who should’ve known better than to date a teenager.
@@chelseachelsea572 what is the point you’re making?? I am being real, teenagers are children who still need to gain life experience before being capable of giving consent to an adult relationship.
@@AndreaHernandez-jn1rv”life experience” you mean have sex with dozens of guys and ruin their nice tight body for their husband? Sorry but we’ve tried that and society is crumbling
@@chelseachelsea572 hold on, say that again for the FBI rq 📞🤨
@@AndreaHernandez-jn1rv call em up you busted roastie
@@chelseachelsea572 whats wrong with them? Never blame a victim
I know Shia is problematic in his own way but his “Joel looks 47” comment 😭😭 good for him for saying that honestly
Yeah he was really young there, I’m glad he still had the nerve to say something
That was Shia?!
The last video I saw was like “random assistant.”
“Sorry I’m confused” 🤣🤣
I was so happy he said that!
@@sharyebethancourt3660 Ikr? Like 80% of the comments on that video were like "How did you not know that was Shia? lol" When to be fair I had no idea it was him either. It looked nothing like him lol.
I have always thought it was very telling that Hilary’s mom was painted as a villain AND she’s one of the few child stars to make it out without anything traumatic happening (that we know of…minus the gross Good Charlotte dude). They couldn’t abuse Hilary because her mom was watching out for her and they hated it.
It says more about E entertainment than her mom
They defended Joe Madden for years cause he's a "bad boy"
Nothing bad boy about him he's a beatnik hipster ijs
She had an eating disorder and dated someone 10 years older when she was 15, how is that a success
@@likeastarbaby 1. Did I not say minus the gross Good Charlotte dude? 2. Eating disorders happen in any and every type of environment. I don't know the girl but compared to other Disney stars like Hayden (people forget she was a Disney girl but yeah...if you don't know her background, Google some blind items about her), Demi, and Lindsay, she's doing amazing.
The ABC interview made me sick to my stomach. She was so clearly uncomfortable and upset on the inside but being polite on the outside and she was only 15 and she was being pestered about boys by a grown ass man on live TV cmon!!!!!
Creepy
Why are you surprised? It was a different time yet there are still some things that don't change
I like how Conan makes it clear to Hillary that that shit was whack without doing it in a way that would get any of her publicity or management teams angry at her
That was so creepy though 😂😂😂 a director watching and critiquing 2 teens kiss in his trailer.
He was the best talk show host. Funny and respectful to his guests.
@@jclyntoledo she was 15 he was 22
Yeah, I was just thinking how much of a relief it was that he wasn't creeping on her and that he was actually raising a red flag about what happened. Although it's sad how low the bar is
@@jclyntoledo 1 teen and a grown man
I feel so bad for her because she probably thought everyone was just shitting on her relationship but there was actually something wrong with it.
She knew it wasn’t socially acceptable because they kept it hidden. He didn’t seem gross but it was so inappropriate and did damage her. Where was her mom or dad?
She never messed up tho.
@@kirpdeb Hilary never fell off the rails tho, girl.
@@karlc2869 what does that have to do with grooming of teens? I ask as a survivor.
@@karlc2869 Doesn't mean she wasn't hurt, just means she didn't have a meltdown like some other teen stars. There are many victims out there who don't spiral like that, or who suffer in private
I completely agree with Hilary when she said “I’m 15, who else is supposed to run my career” about her momager. Childhood stardom is a dangerous game and she is lucky to have a mom who is a protector and completely involved
Exactly, cuz if you listen to the girl from icarly she talks about her mom touching her inappropriately and Orlando brown said that was apart of the grooming. So I'm glad to see Hilary's mom was on it
@@Alwayzblessed36 sam (jennette mccurdy) from Icarly also was sa’d by her own mother… can’t even imagine.
Her mom let a mid 20s yo man prey on her 😂 you gross for not caring about that!
@@jennyhaslayer1396 who doesn’t care about that?
@@niyajawn
Remember the media was criticizing her because she was rightfully criticizing her mom only because her mom passed away ?
That always bothered me , what is she supposed to lie?
Same thing the media did with Tupac's mom after she died despite she lied about who his dad was and let him die not knowing when rapper Method Man called her out on a radio show
I fully agree with you on Jenny's mom
Her mom was sick she deserved all the criticism Jenny threw at her
I feel so sick looking back at how they treated these teenagers and exploited them and then I bought the magazines etc too. All Hilary has been through, good for her for being one of the few child stars that has stayed humble, "sane" and in a healthy space now.
So I am around her age... it was the time. Back then when I was 17 my SUB hit on me the entire math class and it became a HUGE joke the entire school, yes staff too, knew about. He asked me out and pursued me outside of school. Shortly after I turned 18 thou I finally was able to get him out of my life, also funny how he seemed so determined b4 I was 18, too....
Don’t feel bad you were young if you think about it they took advantage of you too
@@c3.immastonerr.48 I didnt even mention here about how I wound up dating a guy who was 28 when I turned 18. I realize now that he groomed me to the idea of dating him while I was 17. Unsurprisingly he was very abusive, but I'm all OK now. I've had 2 partners who were pretty good, and hope to find love again.
Right it’s so sad and likely caused so much insecurities
Yeah and look at what Aaron Carter is going through right now! A call girl baby mama, drugs and public fighting!
its so creepy how the adults were invested in those teens’ relationships and exploiting teen drama for clicks and money. they wouldn’t like it if stranger adults were so invested in their relationships
Yeah also a creepy adult bullying a kid saying one them looks like a horse?? Wtf
Um, they might, just look how much kim and kanye love it!
The older people werent invested, they had tv shows where they interviewed celebrities. What do you talk to a teenage celebrity about,
8:20 with the interviewer being so nosy was creepy and pushy like noo
@@malenapsilarsuaa4835 yeah she didn’t need to insult a teenage girl’s appearance. it wouldn’t be as bad if she were older even though its kinda rude but when you’re a teen you care way more about what other people think of you
wow the media training she went through is insane, she really handled a lot of those interviews really well
Yeah the one with Conan was kinda dystopian. I feel like Conan is aware and tries to present problems in a way that doesn't cause panic, more so presents them in light of comedy in hopes to get people to reflect. But the fact he pointed out the weirdness of the trailer scene was nice but also very dystopian.
I did acting school when I was younger. They normalized kissing and sexual scenes as just work. They teach you to completely remove emotion from your true self, you're only the character. Lots of brainwashing and grooming.
Some people also have a naturally mellow diplomatic personality(which does make it easier)..someone with a strong personality would respond in kind to make the interviewer feel awkward for asking such a weird question
I had a 23 year old boyfriend and at age 15… looking back that’s so disgusting but when you’re 16 - you don’t know any better, when your over 20 -you definitely do know better !
Yup. Some girls go through this phase. I think her mom was watching but let her grow through it and was there for her when she needed to be.
I didn’t go through this phase, I am forever grateful for it. But I have many friends that did, and I’m sorry you did, health and wealth to you!
Yeah my best friend is a dude and when he was 18 he didn't even feel comfortable with other 18 year olds if they were still in highschool. It made him feel icky even if it was only a matter of a couple of months for them. He felt since she was in high school she was still a kid to him.
Yup! I was 17 dating a 23 and didn’t think it was weird during the time. Lots of people told me it was weird but even more people just didn’t think anything of it. Like hello???? It’s so gross
My good friend did the same - she was 15, he was 23 too. I was 17 and dated his 19 year old brother. So weird thinking back on it now. Her mom found out and lost her ever loving mind! Not that I blame her...
@@KatieLHall-fy1hwshe’s said her parents weren’t happy with the relationship initially but she was also a millionaire very young and had all the resources to distance herself from them if she wanted so I’m sure they had to be careful.
I feel like calling Paris Hilton a “pop artist” is a stretch.
A very long stretch 😂
Paris' self titled was amazing tho
A HUGE stretch
Stars are blind is still a bop 🤷♀️
I wouldn't say it's a stretch tbh. That Pop album she released in 2006 wasn't bad honestly and the two singles are bops.
Holy shit I never realized how toxic the 2000/2010’s were. Now we have social media where people can call out this type of disgusting behavior, especially how all the adults acted around this whole drama 🤢
Lol what ? Me2 wasn't toxic hate speech ? Feminism isn't cancer to society ? Lol what ?
Where do you think the term "pick me" being used as a degrading insult come from ? A woman of course...
Omg I remember I was 18 in 2003 so I remember it being EVERYWHERE Paris Hilton and Nichole and all those girls. Uh the press was brutal back then
still better than today. now it's shown on tv. can't watch an american show without any degeneracy.
@@scarasara same age. I'd read Perez Hiltons bullshit all the time.
I remember laughing at the leave Britney alone video.
Then...you get life experience and you realize how much she was basically harassed while going through some serious things.
Only to then find out her own family trapped her. It broke my heart for a bit. What the hell was going on back then?
lol
So much respect for Hilary she was treated like an adult for all the wrong reasons but the irony is she was the only one acting mature and respectful 100%
So, having her husband being dressed as a stereotypical Native American and she was the pilgrim mature? It was so wrong and racist lol
@@ad_kk16 I do not know what you are referencing so I have no input haha
@@ad_kk16 He wasn't her husband and she apologized for that. At least do some research before spewing hate...
@@ad_kk16 honestly some people just don’t know about cultural appropriation. If they find out and apologize and don’t do it again shouldn’t that be enough? That woman is obviously mad sheltered.
@@bobonbobcrime i think cultural appropriation is bullshit, more like cultural appreciation. I love history and every culture has its own style and fashion, to keep it alive through the years is something to be celebrate it, not persecute it.
I love how Paris Hilton was like the final boss in all the dramas in the 2000s. It's not great but it's funny af. Somebody needs to make a video game where Paris Hilton is the final boss💀
😂😂
Right but somehow its so hard to search up all those stuff about her unless u rlly looked
@@cheryllang98Im sure she pays people to scrub the internet
@@rxndini yeah
@@rxndinii doubt it lol. Paris seems like she doesn't care what ppl say about her
Imagine being a grown woman, and laughing at a teenager being called a horse. That's absolutely repulsive, and Kim. Why am I not surprised that Kim picked on her? Hilary seemed more mature than all of these women, and she was a teenager. Good for her mom too for being in her business, it looks like it helped keep her on a good path.
I'm pretty sure Kim and Hayley are close in age but it was still wrong how she came at her
I think she still is more mature they were to classy for tacky bitchy Lindsey PARIS Kim etc
Yes, although I read somewhere that the mom had a hand in Hilary and Joel's relationship... whatever that meant
Laughable the media portrayed her as some over zealous stage mom when all she was doing was making sure media companies didn't take advantage of Hilary like they did other with other young starlets.
take the stick out
It is actually incredible that she didn't break under the overexposure she faced while still a child. I once watched paparazzi surround a minor celebrity and it looked so scary to be blinded by 8-10 cameras, I can't imagine what it was like getting literal packs of people stalking your every move. Big kudos to her. Also Metamorphosis was the first album I bought and played on my blue portable CD player. I feel oooold 😭
Yeah I used to fly out of LAX on a regular basis and saw a few folks get bombarded by them. I agree...thought it looked scary. The most aggressive I think was the lead lady from the Pussycat Dolls. I was in the restroom at lax and super tall really dressed up woman storms in. She busts open the stall door and just sits down. We were laughing at ourselves wearing heels just for fashion even at the airport..she fixed some of her makeup and we said goodbye. I happened to be done as well and ventured out after her. At least 50 people waiting right outside...cameras instantly flashing like crazy. I had no idea who she was but they sure did. This ws back in their height of fame. Looked horrible. She was lovely to me. Rich yes...famous no. Maybe for something your face isn't attached to. Always wanted to be famous for making home gardening cool again.
@@vegetablepimps yeah my sighting was at LAX too, another pop singer, haha. But yeah it looked like it really sucks. I know people think it's just the price of being rich and famous but there are plenty of people who are way wealthier and don't have to deal with this.
How old could U be!! I'm 22 and that is the first one I bought AND I played it on my portable blue CD player hahah. Walking around my house listening to her was my favourite times
@@errbored1276 I'm 40 Elise 😊💛
@@errbored1276 haha, I'm 27 but I didn't really get electronic gadgets and things until a little late compared to friends (by some standards)
I loved Hilary Duff in Lizzie McGuire and Cinderella Story but I was really young and did not notice or even process that she was dating a grown man when she was underage. I still can’t believe he faced no accountability for dating a teenage girl.
I was thinking abt this the other day even in that other Cinderella remake with Selena Gomez the dude whose her love interest is old as fuck (he was 26) and she was like 16 in the movie
Or her parents gave consent 🤮
@@coldgrandpa Yeah but was it just acting or did they date? Cause actors pretend to be diff ages all the time.... Also kissing, esp in film, is not too big of a deal between professionals. But yikes if they dated irl....
@@zuglymonster In Cali I believe it is still illegal if you are 18 OR over to be with anyone below 18. Thou 4-5 years or less have been prosecuted, you're less likely to see that compared with 5+ year gaps that there is NO way they met in school....
@@Memento_Mori_Morals And yeah when one person turns 18 earlier but they both met in school or something that's different.
The fact that soooooo many old creepy interviewers were literally "counting down" til her 18th birthday makes me feel physically ill..
The part of her on Regis was just 🤮
I have a feeling her “momager”was a big reason she ended up sane and having a good life as an adult. So many child stars were dumped on sets and left to fend for themselves no wonder they were so abused. Tbh her worst scandals is just high school drama.
And notice how the media attacked her mother. All I heard was she cared. And don’t get me wrong she shouldn’t have let her do films with 25 yr old love interests, but she was super mom by Hollywood standards. And Lindsey getting the job? So the job went to the one with a cliche momager living through her daughter. Still missing how that was supposed to make her look bad.
I didnt even know she had scandals
I mean, Jeanette McCurdy had a version of a "Momager" and we all know how that turned out. Macully Kulkin had a "Dadager" that completely fucked over his mental wellbeing, and let's not forget Joe Jackson. Parent-managers don't always have their child's best interest at heart, nor are they always willing to protect them the way a parent should.
Amanda Bynes parents might be one of the most evil, if she was tired or feeling down on set (deservedly so since she was a child) they'd drug her and that's how the wacky hyper personality she has in the Amanda Show came to be. They kickstarted her drug addiction
letting her 16 year old date a 25 year old is pretty crazy though
I love that Shia Labeouf called out how weird Joel was
Shia worse!!
@@user-yp9od3lx6lI hardly even care less
Shia is so much worse
Then told to shut up
Shia is not a good person but he has his moments.
Avrils behaviour here was not great, but I do think Avril just rejected a lot of popular ‘pretty aesthetic’ girls before they could reject her for being a misfit. I was a teenager in the 2000s culture this really represented how it was at school with stereotype cliques [ Mean girls was relatable to people for a reason ] I hope younger generations learn from my generations mistakes
They constantly pushed her to be an "anti-britney or anti-hillary anti..." so I guess that's why she was so fed up. It was all childish
how on earth was avril a misfit hahah
@@DarthVader-gp6fm the 'main character aesthetic' in mainstream at that time typically not an Avril. It's a reflection of how it was at the time
cringe
@@skurinskiyes keep cringing precious
People REALLY cared about Hilarys 18th birthday to a sickening degree in the 2000s. And I remember her dating Joel Madden but I never thought about how old he was around that time. I was in my teens myself, so my insight wasnt nearly as sharp as it is now. I hope that shes doing ok, mental health wise, Lindsay and Nicole as well.
Oh
I remember being a teenager around this time and how so many underage female celebrities were openly called jail bait in the media! There also used to be count downs to female celebrities 18 birthdays when they would be finally legal. It was vile! Looking back how that effected us, seeing all that stuff in the media, its no wonder girls our age were so sexualised and desperate for guys attention. All our self worth was evaluated on what men thought of us and girls used to physically attack each other in school and at teen discos because we were all brainwashed into hating each other.
And they're still doing this. The same thing happens with every girl such as Billie Eilish, Millie Bobbie Brown etc. still exactly the same
Agreed. I’m closer to Joel’s age and it’s insane how he got away with it.
It's same today, catch me outside girl got one million on only fans the moment she turned 18 🙈
I grew up thinking Joel was a teenager not 25. It hurts my heart because I was groomed online by a 25 year old man at the age of 16. This isn’t uncommon unfortunately.
I empathize. I was 17 and he was 22…
It happened the same to me, crazy
Yep same
At 16 I thought I was so cool for having a boyfriend who was 24.. Looking back now 🤢
Especially now that I have a daughter, I would never allow that
It really says something about the guy if he’s going after someone that much younger
I am binge watching these and I'm horrified by how creepy adults are when they talk to these underaged and overworked kids. Let them be kids and hold onto their innocence as long as they can. Give them space to mess up and stop sexualizing them.
Why is Paris Hilton the biggest villain in all these stories from the early 2000s lmaooo
Because she was lol. She really the biggest mean girl back then.
She obviously was she was always fighting for her spot when she didn't even need to fight for it😭😭
She was slightly extremely problematic, but fun to watch
I never heard about Haylie’s version so Paris very effectively killed that opportunity for her
Because she''s a famous nobody. What's she known for? Doing drugs and flash her coochie going into a club and being the daughter of a famous hotel chain owner? Obviously she had to work to be known and so how do you get famous for doing nothing? Mess with celebrities, because you have enough money to show up to a party they're at.
It's insane how everyone treated these CHILDREN as grown adults. The harrassing, the insults, the aggressive interviews, the sexualization, all of it.
Teenager*
I'm surprised you guys didn't bring up Hilary's eating disorder that she had while dating Joel. She got smaller as the relationship progressed. Then he went on to marry a very skinny Nicole. It was always speculated that he pressured them to lose weight.
There was a stylist, Rachel Zoe or something like that, who worked with Nicole and other young Hollywood starlets around that time. She herself was startlingly skinny and it's been said she'd shame her female clients for eating more than a stick of celery.
Personally, I thought early Nicole was really cute with her colorful hair and few extra pounds.
@@gypsywoman9140 this makes sense to me my hometown had a doctor that would pressure his patients to lose weight and he was my grandpas partner so my mother and i both saw him and ended up with bulimia from the shame he would istil but anyway all the women in my town that went to him ended up being really skinny or had an eating disorder it was terrible especially because other than his extreme fatphobia he was a wonderful gynecologist that actually cared about womens pain during procedures unlike a lot of gynos so it was a double edged swored i guess like ive never heard of another gyno asking if you wanted pain releif or a sedative for an IUD
Speculated and rumors don’t mean true by the way just cause you’re a small skinny don’t mean shit stop spreading rumors unless you actually have real facts is that what you see on TV because I don’t believe everything I hear or see I never thought about that back then because some people get skinny or whatever because when your teenager weight goes up and down my weight always went up and down
@@gypsywoman9140 yes I remember Rachel Zoe she had a reality show my mom loved her she was super skinny!
It was just the trend back then to be super bone thin, like Nicole was already super skinny when she got with Joel, then there was Lindsay, Mary-Kate... I remember Hilary got some terrible veneers that made her look even skinnier and scary too
Conan nailed the REAL issue on the head with his response to Hilary's story about the Cinderella Story director
i love conan, he's a really genuine and funny host
Too bad no one took him seriously, poor Hilary
He basically said the director wasn’t a real director….too bad he didn’t give more burns than that.
Yeah but making it into a bit in front of the victim on live TV ain't a great thing
Mad respect for Conan
Why do girls hate each other for dating the same guy when they should hate the guy 🙄🙄
Ye, especially he got back and forth between them 🙄
This is shocking to look back on as a 32 year old woman. No wonder so many women in my generation have body dysmorphia issues. I also can’t believe the way adult men would pry into minor’s romantic lives, and make suggestive comments. When I was a teen watching this live, I didn’t realize it happening. It didn’t realize how bad it was.
I am 35 and I remember all of this bs. Only in hindsight have I noticed how comfortable we were with adults dating minors, and how everyone blamed the minors.
@@KaraOfTheSea Right?!? At the time it was so normalized it was encouraged. I can’t believe it now
It's because unfortunately men are attracted to youth beauty and fertility. The 2nd a woman is able to Procreate, It's in their biology to go hunt for it. It's disgusting perverse and gross. It's also funny how men expect women to have everything totally figured out by the age of 18 But, They don't have to figure life out until they're in their thirties.
I know this in an old comment, but I'm in my late thirties myself and looking back at this makes me nauseous. Just disgusting. It's a wonder Duff came out of this relatively well-adjusted.
Looking at this as a mother. I hear you !!
Lindsay's little bro telling Joel that Simple Plan is probably nicer is cracking me up though lol
I believe him. And they probably don't date fucking minors either
And they probably are. At least as far as I know they aren't groomers.
@@babyfaceweeb8937 David from simple plan was accused of some pretty weird shiz. But they've been my fave band since I was 8 lol
lmao that part was hilarious
Every adult male involved in this whole situation is just disgusting and trash tbh. People need to stop treating young girls, children like this. Shame on anyone who pitted these girls against the others. Their teams knew what they were doing and it did a lot of damage on everyone’s end.
Yes it’s so gross
Has really happen in some years tho. We are actually growing as a society...
@@marcobenavides16 no tf it hasn't do you know how many pedophiles and rapists work in the industry?
And still kinda not changed especially around Tik Tok era.
Unlike Hilary or Lindsay some of these girls were grown ass women that took park in the bullying while openly ignoring the s*xual abuse. Those women (ones still with the creep) deserve to be called out just as much as the men.
i am obsessed with 8 year old Cody Lohan yelling "Simple Plan is probably nicer" and then chanting Simple Plan. I bet he's right. Simple Plan did the Scooby Theme song and kicked out the creeps in their band soooooo
I know I lol'd too
ok but why is no one talking about how well put together this documentary was?? thank you for this masterpiece!
It’s actually so amazing lol
I was literally waiting for a comment to talk about it… 🔥🔥
👌
He gets paid for our views, that’s enough recognition right there
It was alright. It flipped flopped around between ages at times which got a bit confusing. Other than that it was coo. Sucks Hilary and Haley had to deal with soulless Hollywood vamps. The price of fame though I guess.
To be honest, I appreciate that Susan knew her daughter's worth and didn't waver or acquiesce to a corporation's typically exploitative demands and contracts.
Exactly ppl gotta be real she was bringing in the coins her mama knew her daughter had star quality
Her mother was trash let her date a 25yr old at 15, she didn't care. all she cared about was the money. Disgusting, also disgusting if you truly believed she cared, or if all you think matters was the money. People are truly trash if all you care about is money.
I believe she fell off and could've still been big if her mother didn't screw her over. You can keep saying no to everything because "my daughter is worth more". But after a while you have to say yes to something. She didn't do movies or made an album for years while she could have. Btw you can be as big as Hilary but saying no to Disney a company that basically owns Hollywood might not be a smart move by that "smart" mother.
Hilary *wanted* to do the Lizzie McGuire sequel, her mum screwed her over by making so many demands the company didn't want to work with her.
I think it ended up being a good thing. The series ended in a good spot and didn’t overstay its welcome. The movie was super fun. I do wish Hilary had more acting opportunities, but she is doing a good bit of stuff now, plus having lots of bebes!
So sad that all of these girls had problems with almost all the other girls, but the men, those faced no real backlash or consequences.
and it pissed me off to see that these older dudes were adding fuel to the fire (Chad Murry and Joel). these dudes comes off real sick instigating shit between teenage girls. and the fact that Joel was mean to a little boy just because he was Lindsay's sister. imagine how a female celeb would come off if she was mean to a little kid. she'd be ripped to shreds!
For fkn real!!
@@anoziraflaminghot Good Charlotte is sh1t and a product of its time
For reaal
Honestly its smart, they pit young women against each other to make them look immature and petty (because people dont take teenage girls seriously) in order to distract from their creepy, predatory, immoral, and illegal behavior
Just for reference, Kim was 26 at the time when that message exchange happened. Let that sink in... What a mature, grown woman...
Oh wow 😮
Pretty freaking pathetic
Kim has always been immature and full of drama I don’t understand why she still has fame
@@heeismine1kim who?
props to Conan for being the only gentleman on esp late night TV while the rest were fantasizing over these 16yr old girls
Yeah, honestly like wtf, that like weird one that talked about britney’s breast
@@KRSonbe it's like you didn't even watch the video or you can't recognize when a man is making inappropriate sexual looks and comments to a young girl.
@@laureng3889 idk if the men were really thinking that, remember they have a script but regardless who knows, it's hollywood. And creepy.
That other interviewer seems to think anyone would be ecstatic to be stuck between two you teens as a 22 year old
Facts Conan been that guy
Avril’s behavior was tacky and needlessly cruel. There’s never anything cute about being the “I’m not like other girls” stereotype
I agree. but it was a thing in those days.
avril was a pick me
yeah but unfortunately we are pitted against each other by society. she probably got a lot of male praise for it. hopefully she’s grown up and has a different perspective now
I mean it's still a thing ppl do 😐
I mean….she was a teenager. How would you as a teen react to hearing that another teen you didn’t know was giving interviews speaking negatively to you and potentially damaging your new career?
The blame should be placed on the media and publicist.
This is why we NEED intimacy coordinators on set for ALL spicy scene’s & definitely stop allowing adult actors to be on screen with children
Needed for legit intimacy scenes but I’ve been on set of a few movies and they go overboard to the point it makes it awkward and harder to concentrate
Gimme a break. Intimacy coordinators are there for adults and it’s so ridiculous. We need an intimacy coordinator in the McDonald’s bathroom. Let’s make a title and job for everyone. Lmfao.
I love how Regis implies sex stuff for turning 18 and Kelly deflects it to voting.
lol lol 😂
He was being so weird
Regis was very disgusting in the beginning of the interview, middle and end
@@QueenBluntdanae lets not mask it. He was being PEDO.
42:50 for anyone curious 🤬🤢
I’m sorry but the fact they called her mothers negotiating "outrageous demands" because she wanted a producer credit for Hilary in a SEQUEL, which wouldn’t normally exist without the original and gives huge leeway to the star is insane to me. A producer credit is literally not that big of a deal, and they threw out the whole movie because of it? How embarrassing for Disney lol
I think k it was deeper than that
@@Ms.Carla86it definitely was, because apparently they were butting heads over everything….but I noticed the media & Hollywood like to label parents protecting their children as “difficult”
Yeah fk Disney. They’re AWFUL!
I don’t think it was, I think it was corporate greed. They didn’t want to budge where they could have and tried to paint her as too demanding
Man I used to love watching the kissing scene from a Cinderella story because of how romantic it is that she finally go the guy, and IMO is a pretty iconic scene from the 2000s era. But omg, I didn’t know that she was literally 15 and chad was freaking 22; I thought she was of age at that time😰
Most likely why they use “adults” to play “teens” nowadays. However.. I was with an almost 22yo when I was 17, but my mom gave me permission (coz I was Turning 18 in less than a year anyway).. relationship was short lived though (too much drama with me ex). But my mom doesn’t know about the 28 year old.. *yikes*.. looking back, it was FUXKED UP.
@@Missmurder8905....
The worst was Claire Danes and Jared Leto on "My So Called Life". She was 14 during and had to play his girlfriend when he was 21. She said years later that it was embarrassing because he had to teach her how to kiss. When asked if she had a crush on him she said "No, he was way too old. I was way too terrified."
Creepy or what!
Same with another Cinderella story Selena was a teen irl and the love interest was in he’s twenties. Like why not hire a male teen actor ???
Right??
OMG! dying from Lindsay's brother saying, "The simple plan guys are probably nicer than you guys" 🤣
It’s wild how many times Hilary turning 18 was referenced and celebrated on multiple TV shows and interviews. I had know idea how much she really went through as a teenager since I was so young at the time, and it’s amazing how she came out on the other side thriving now as an adult.
Same with the Olsen Twins. I around them same age as Hilary (like 2 or 3 years younger than her) so I remember her 18 birthday very well and how it was constantly brought up. And I’m sitting there like “Um ok! She’s 18 now so what???🤔”
We don’t really know their lives or how this affected them..
@@amylee8969 they are not ok now tho lol… and they had people making comments about them sexually since they were babies unfortunately
It was all the teen stars back then. Britney, Olsen twins, Lindsay Lohan, Amanda Bines...pretty sure that was still going on in the Selena Gomez and Miley Cyrus era. It still happens but not as mainstream with people promoting the countdown websites.
Seeing grown men and women be so invested in, and curious about, the lives of teenage girls is…..unnerving
I mean the interviewers, media, tabloids at the time etc not you guys! lol
I used to hate that show that starred Chelsea Handler and B-list comedians. It was so unnecessarily cruel to young female stars. Handler built her whole career of putting down other more successful (usually younger) women. People ate up her sour grapes and she got a talk show put of it.
AND Women
@@chayo4537 my comment says “and women”
@@chayo4537She literally said "men and women"
LOL Shia LeBouf's very subtle line about pointing out how gross it is that he's so much older than her.
Makes it even sadder seeing him screwed up and part of the Maddy/Sia insanity…
It was savage but also accurate lol. Looking at this footage I can’t believe he was 25 (I’m 26 and he looks way older than 20s..)
I missed it timestamp?
@@mint_soup9743 watch it again and you'll get it
The shits an hour I think Im good lol
Chelsea Handler is such an unpleasant, mean-spirited, high school bully who never grew up. The fact that she's had the career she has, makes me lose a lot of faith in humanity's ability to have compassion for others being bullied.
Agreed.
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Protects, proceeds, and perseveres
And makes us whole❤
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Yea, the fact she literally made fun of how a teenage girl looks while she was an adult shows her self-esteem issues... who the hell does that? A bully.
Avril attacked all the pink girls and then when she swapped her style on "the best damn thing" and got more pink and girly she was angry at her fans who didn't like that bigoted change.
She is the epitome of Pick me
Another proof that entertainment is fake. Reason for Avril's success was that she had the image of the cool punky alternative chick on the other side of the spectrum where you have the "fake" popstars like Britney. But it's more or less the same. "Rebellious" acts like had the rather easy job of talking smack against plastic popstars and fake superficiality and how they're not like that, but "real". You cannot be real in entertainment. Was Avril even real to begin with or was she always crafted to be the public Avril? Probalby the 2nd. Never questioned her.
But now to the thing you mentioned. It's unbelievable how Avril made the switch from punky rocker to plastic pop and still it seems she had massive success (at least "Hello Kitty" was huge, horrible song). How on earth is that even possible? As you say she became what she claimed she hated and nobody cares how fake that is? Or is it in reality just a singer trying to stay relevant and dressing up totally different for work isn't problematic because it's just her job?
One shouldn't trust entertainers, especially young ones will say whatever they are saying. It's the image. It's for the show. It's for sales. Good Charlotte did "Lifestyle of the rich and famous". Then I suppose they got rich and famous themselves. What now?
@@SavedByGrace_CitizenEmperorユウ sadly, most people are sheep and follow what they are told and can't make up their own opinion. Avril has always been a wanna be. She is using the same "punk don't give a fuck" attitude to stay relevant. Absolute poser that can't just act and dress her age. It's disturbing..
Pretty much 🤷
yep. she was a big pick me. but tbf, she was already well in her 20s when "girlfriend" came out & people change. you're not who you were in your youth 🤷♀
@@SavedByGrace_CitizenEmperorユウ honestly, i wouldn't call her change fake. many girls were big tomboys as teenagers & hated all things girly, but in their 20s, they started embracing their femininity & dressing up. gotta do with patriarchy & societal pressure as young girls, but that's another argument for another day
When I tell you Hilary Duff is THE ONLY celeb I actually like and stay up to date with I’m not kidding. She has a light no one else has she seems genuine with no malicious intent. She’s so unproblematic and stays in her own lane Despite the fact that she went through so much growing up in hollyweird she remained strong and has a lot to show for it today
Same!
I don't know about the genuine with no malicious intent part, to be completely honest
Same!
I think that not only that she herself was a classy good women but also that her mom raised her and was a good mom
@@Meme-go9ts why? what did she do?
Kim’s email was wild! Calling Haylie a horse while she also wasn’t that much of a looker before all the plastic surgeries?! The audacity!
A grown woman calling a teenager in front of the whole world a horse is another level of low
@@vanesa9657 While not right Haylie was an adult lol
@@didigogo139 Chelsea Handler also called a teenage Hillary Duff a horse as well. The way these girls were treated back then were awful. It was an absolute free for all.
I agree but I think kim was gorgeous before any enhancements
What? Kim looked great before she ruined her face and body with surgery.