The issue for them is probably that they do not have the technology (their manufacturing plants ready for how film cameras were built or suppliers any more and haven't had for years. Leica never stopped making film cameras and so for them restarting production for M6 is much much much less of a hassle (especially with Leica prices) than for any other manufacturer who stopped making film cameras years ago. But yeah, that would be nice, there's a market for them, there are many people who do not have thousands of euros to purchase new Leica, but there are for sure a lot of people who would love to buy new just made film camera that would simply work without any hassle, etc, just because there are people who always buy only new electronics/items.
Believe it or not but Nikon and Canon still serviced their higher end film cameras such as the f4/5/6 & EOS 1N/V up until 2018 and 2020. They stopped because they were running out of parts to service them
As always, an informative video. What I like most about Nico's videos is that he tells it like it is. If it's a stinker, he tells you so, he's not beholden to a Canon or Nikon or Hasselblad or Leica. Information is gold no matter what you are dealing with and Nico is my main source for photography and I pray he continues to give us his level of info.
This one is conflicting piece for me. I had my first experience on an M3 while I was in college back in 2004 then that was about it. I moved back to film photography in Vietnam out of necessity because I wanted the Leica experience (got myself an M6 back in 2019 and a full suit of lenses for agreeable price). The thing about film photography in my country is that it is rather affordable due to super low labor cost and you get to have a full package of developing and scanning for about $5-7 from a competent and reputable lab. I really changed my shooting habit and up my game since 2019 but realistically if I have to move back to Canada later on in my life then film would have to take a back seat with limited time and cost of the hobby in North America. A digital Leica would make way more financial senses and practicality … but the joy and my personal experience with the M6 is irreplaceable.
People pay 10x what I can afford for a pair of jeans but I'm not outraged by that. People are weird that they get offended by these things. These are luxury goods. If you can afford you can play. I can't afford a Ferrari but I'm not offended that they make Ferraris! I don't demand they make cheaper Ferraris! BTW: I ♥my classic M6. Works like new still. I bought it a while ago though. I don't think I'd pay today's prices. Glad they've done this as I can keep my classic going "forever".
Leica didn't do it to save film photography or to make it "more accessible to up and coming photographers" as their youtube mouthpiece said (more accessible? With that price tag?). They did it because it makes sense commercially. Minimal expenses in R&D, marketing and production, great sales.
I love that a film camera is releasing in 2022. My only issue is with the people who make it their entire lifestyle to shoot Leica. They care more about the body than the images they produce with it
Although I shoot professionally -and I use Leicas- I wouldn’t have use for an M6, but I think it is great news for the brand and for the future of film photography. Hopefully this may induce somebody to start producing high quality scanners again, like the flextight… and who knows, we might start seeing new Mamiyas again.
Leica needs to end the ban on spare parts for independent repair shops! The most important “new feature” of the M6 reissue is the new supply chain to make them. That should make it possible to increase production of film cameras and *spare parts,* which are crucial for keeping used, “affordable” entry-level cameras accessible, so let’s hope for the best! 🤞
As I understand it, the light meter parts for the new M6 cannot be used for the original "Classic" so instead of repairing your Classic or TTL M6, Leica are basically trying to sell you a new camera and if your original M6 meter dies you're out of luck - unless an independent repair shop can source the parts. If this is true, I think it's very short-sighted on Leica's part. The entire brand is based on a few core tenets such as legacy/history, IQ, dependability AND the assumption by many that they're potentially buying a camera for life. Allowing relatively basic components for film bodies to become obsolete doesn't make much sense given the legion of M shooters prepared to pay through the nose for Leica to service and repair their beloved cameras. Take that away and Leica loses one of the main planks upon which it's built its reputation.
I recently bought an M6 classic in MINT UNUSED condition, can’t wait to take it out to shoot. This Re-release is awesome news for the film community as you mention here.
Thanks for your review, Nico. I part ways with your emphasis on cost and resale value. Leicas are built like tanks -- except beautifully in every respect. Their true value is their superb manufacturing quality, functional design, and durability. That is why, a decade ago when I had to sell camera equipment to purchase something else, I decided to sell my beloved Nikon FM2s and 5 Nikkor lenses rather than my M4 and its two Leica lenses, purchased used in 1972. Not because I liked the Nikons less or because one camera was more of a workhorse professionally for me in my pro years than the other. But the Leica is a treasure as well as a workhorse, an example of the enduring value and craftsmanship that is a joy to have and to use. Regarding the meter issue, I look back to decades when many of the best photojournalists used them only when needed--hand-held, because there were no built-ins then; they knew their light and they knew how to print difficult negatives. Look at their work! I know this doesn't apply to everyone, and hardly as much to color as to B&W, and I'm hardly arguing against meters, just noting that a built-in meter is not necessarily the beginning or end of all photography. Just a thought.
I was able to get a new replacement film rewind knob for my M6 TTL from Leica in Miami store. Production looked new, but who know. Price was reasonable, ~US$75, $90 shipped.
Nico, I am surprised to see that you also don't get it. This new "M6" is not a new camera. It's a Leica MP with M6 design language. It's 85% (probably more!) the parts and manufacturing of the MP. It has the same shutter, same shutter cloth, same film transport mechanism, same meter, same rangefinder, same viewfinder etc.; it will be manufactured using the same machines in the same location by the very same technicians already assembling the MP and MA. Leica slaps a newly designed top plate with a red dot and M6 engraving on a Leica MP and everyone loses their shit. This is a cosmetic variant to the MP and we should celebrate that you essentially can purchase a Leica MP at a $500 discount, because you're essentially getting the same camera. And you'll be getting the same thing all the way down the product supply chain, starting from the ordering process with the months to years long wait list - because Leica will produce homeopathic amounts of this camera at glacial speeds; to the repair and warranty process where this new M6 will be handled just like the existing MP in production. This is a Leica MP "M6" edition. Period. Hugh at Three Blind Men and an Elephant did an interview with Leica's head of marketing. Watch that. Leica in that interview says they're essentially different versions of the same camera.
Better have one camera that you shoot often than 4 or 5 that hardly see the day of light, so my vote is selling the cameras you don’t use and buy the new M6 (or MP). You could keep your M2 for non-metered experience with a 35/50, and get the M6 for your 28mm lens. And of course, if you do get it do share your thoughts with us :)
This is phenomenal news. I hope a 0.58X version is part of the lineup. I do find the appeal of the M2 as I also own one but the built-in meter of the M6 is a useful tool. I am glad that photography is not merely a money pit for me since my cameras pay for themselves back many times over.
Head of marketing said there will no variations of the M6. He stated that the MP and M-A are the variations - if you want a meter or not, and if you want chrome or black paint.
I fully agree with you. This is the best thought out and reasoned video that I’ve seen about the new M6! Although I prefer my M3 as the viewfinder is the best! It’s still £700 cheaper than a new Nikon Z9 which will depreciate very fast and be out of date within a few years.
Prices will go down. If people choose the newer camera. That means older cameras not selling as regularly. More on the market...thus the price will drop because nothing likes to sit unsold in the market.
A $5300 bucks for a M6 crazy and then add a 35 lux to it. I got so many Leica's M6, 3F, M10, M11, SL, SL2 and a whole bunch of M lens. I still use my Z9 never lets me down. The BEST M was the M3 that's the one Leica should have reissued
Excellent video Nico, as usual your reflections are on point. In my humble opinion, the resurrection of the Leica M6 is a solid step for photography and therefore for the industry and for photographers who continue to use film. It is good news that I suppose will stimulate the production of the film. As for the price, which seemed to shock everyone, however, it is absolutely fair and even necessary, first for everything you mention, but also because if someone (in my case, I have 2 Leicas, one M6 TTL and another M7 and 3 lenses that I treasure) is really interested practicing analog photography and reaching a certain level will go out of his way to buy the Leica M6 and its wonderful lenses. Luckily there are many cheaper cameras and lenses that are just as useful. Finally, the images are not made by the cameras, it is the talent of those who use them.
7 months on....I bought a classic in great condition for 2600, I saw a ttl for 2700..Both sitting for weeks. Thank goodness the new release cratered the used market.
@@NicosPhotographyShow Thanks for clarifying. I was told it was "a single production run", almost like a special issue. It is good to hear it is an ongoing product. Now I just have to save up $7K CDN
If I had the money, I’d buy the rights and designs for one of the great film SLR cameras, eg: Nikon F3, Pentax K1000, and I start making large runs of replacement parts to feed into the supply chain. Then, once I had enough of that sorted out, I’d start offering a “remanufacturing” service for committed users. Producing new units would follow on soon after.
Nikon made the FM3a mechanical AND electronic at the same time, meaning it has aperture priority but can work without batteries at all speeds. Not to mention the max speed at 1/4000. I don’t see why Leica couldn’t make it possible with an M camera
Speed likely isn’t possible with a cloth shutter but a hybrid shutter is. That said there’s a reason why there’s only one camera that can do that. It took a lot of R&D and certainly wouldn’t be cheap to produce. It would also take a total redesign of the inside of the M6 to fit two shutter mechanisms. It’s probably doable, much like it was on the FM3A which is comparable in size to the M6, but there isn’t a ton of incentive for Leica to do it (these are selling out without even having feature parity with the M6 TTL) and if they did you could probably expect a pretty heady price jump.
One thing that hasn't been picked up yet is a well-needed change (if the specs are correct). The frame lines from the late M4-P onwards, including M6 (classic/TTL), MP, M-A, are accurate at .7m (vs the 1m frame lines of previous M cameras). For this new M6, the specs state that the frame lines are accurate at 2m (the same as the M10/M11). This is a better middle-ground distance for approximate framing.
They're mostly the same, but there are a few minor differences. The new Leica M6 only comes it black whereas MP comes in silver and black. The black MP has a glossy finish, whereas the M6 has a matte finish. The M6 has a red dot on the lens release button, a red Leitz logo, and a slanted rewind leaver. The MP has the more classical rewind knob you find on the M2 and M3.
@@johnLee-bb2do perhaps there's not much they could improve really without going for electronic shutter. i see it as a heritage release which is just a matter of which design you prefer. i'd personally go for an mp but i don't like the shutter dial on both so i'll just stick to my m7 while it's still running.
really good analysis of the new M6! Leica certainly wouldn't have been stupid enough to produce a cheaper M and then kill off their own prices, not to mention all the used prices. In genral, the M6 2022 also no longer has much in common with the old models except that they look quite similar.
I agree with just about everything you said. I bought an M6 TTL used in 2015 and could probably sell it for more than what I paid. I don't think I'd be turning a profit though because I had to get the frame selector repaired twice! And I got it at Adorama, not some random eBay seller. I like the M6 more than you did but I don't use it as much as my Nikons. Because Nikon gear is so much cheaper it's a lot easier to have many lenses and backup bodies. Still, I'm glad new film cameras are being made and hopefully new parts will be available for my M6 if necessary.
a black paint M2 (provided it is original black paint) is worth 3 times the new M6 as of now. I would be very conscious about bringing out that camera.
Im still finding out its history, but it seems to be a factory redo not 100% OG black from production. But living in Finland its safe to take it anywhere.
I think it’s great. I wish they’d have brought back the M7 as I had one previously and wouldn’t buy that secondhand, but might be tempted by a new one. I now have an MP so don’t need a new M6, but I hope this sells by the lorryload.
If Nikon rereleased the FM2n it would sell like hot cakes. Its brilliantly simple to use and a Nikon 50 1.4 is a great mate. Film isn’t dead. I’ve got a Z6 and it’s what I expected. A computer operated unit. No thrill and no mystery in using it. It’s too perfect.
Its funny because their film camera is 5K but their digital ones are almost 2x. The craftsmanship to make them is so high, parts, mechanical parts, etc... plus this is price with VAT, if you remove VAT and store profit the camera leaves the factory at around 3K, made in Germany...
Good coverage. It's supposed to be 95% the same, different leather because vulcanite is obsolete, improved rangefinder like the MP, and new electronics for the lightmeter. I don't think parts for the rest of the camera is an issue. I agree I don't think it will reduce the price of used M6s and this way Leica can capitalize on the desire for an M6. It also covers all those people who complained that they want an M4/M6 style rewind knob and an M4/M6 style wind-on lever.
I agree with you if the new camera has compatible parts to the classic because now it gives more life to the thousands of classics that are already out there. I wonder though, that if it is a camera hand made like the MP and MA with similar quality and the price is similar then will the lack of availability also be similar. What good is a camera that you cannot get because of lack of availability? My used M4-P is the better camera because I have it and can be out photographing in minutes. The new M6 does no good for me or the community if it is not affordable or already sold out.
For me, the new release m6 is ridiculous. A 5000EUR film camera with 1980’s technology? I was hopping some modifications such as selectable light meter mod.
At first I was bit confused about this new camera. Then listened to few opinion and my thoughts on that. I agree that there cannot be a cheap leica, it would undercut their other film camera models. Next, when you buy leica, it's not about better image irrespective of lens you use, never understood the leica look, it's about brand, prestige etc. So, anybody who is buying leica is aware of the price. So, with leica m6, we have one more brand new leica. So, price is ok. Now, whether it will inspire other companies to bring new film camera, or whether this will bring down the prices of used leica m6, it's to be seen. My point is if you want to shoot film and shoot leica, go ahead. No point listening to few POV on price, leica trying to cash in m6 popularity etc. It's your choice. Regarding me, I can't afford a leica, even a used one. So, this launch doesn't make difference, but if this helps the community as Nico said, I am happy as I love shooting film irrespective of the price and cost that is there.
The new M6 is a restyled MP. Meter is different than the one in the original one. So no good news on this end. I just had my M6 repaired and the tech told me that Leica doesn't suport M6 anymore, no new light meter boards. I just had rewind crank replaced + a little cła, but the future doesn't looks bright. On top this tech told that Leica just scraped huge amount of parts for older models, no reason for me not to believe as this guy was trained in Wetzlar and knows people there.
@@cansagarri6749 as far as I know it's not possible. The same was for TTL, not suitable for classic. You know, if you care about your users then you support- like Mercedes does, you can buy any part for classic cars because they care abot their heritage. Leica not so much and I'm sure a lot of current M6 users were wishing for them to put out the old M6 design and bring back the parts supply.
One big upgrade from the original M6, though, is the better glass for the viewfinder, which doesn't "flare" as much (which results in a loss of the focusing path, so that you can't focus accurately). In my experience, that is an actual, big problem with the original. As for repairs, don't all Leica dealers offer some level or repairs, and if they can't do it, ship to it Leica for you?
Thanks for the video. It is good to hear that the Leica M6 is back in production. I shoot Leica M6 film and Leica M10 digital cameras with 21mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.4, and 90mm f/2 lenses. Great cameras and great lenses. If I did not already have an M6, I would buy a new M6 or a new MP.
The price is stupid. But nice offering from Leica. It suits market demand and provides one of only a few options for a new fresh film camera. -The real question is why would anyone with any sense spend 10k to put together a full Leica kit with a range of lenses when you can build the same kit for a third of the price with Nikon film?
As an m6 user I was thrilled to see the “new” release. It’s great for the industry and I agree I think it makes my current camera more future proof in terms of support for parts (or makes the chances of getting it replaced if say it’s lost/stolen/beyond repair… even greater with it still being in production)
But I just don't understand, why don't just buy the mp instead of the m6. IMO I think mp just looks much better than the m6 and I guess they function pretty much the same.
I don’t like the new M6, it’s just a MP in a new dress. We all are waiting for a cheaper version of the film Leica. The new M6 is not a new construction, Leica didn’t spent any money to engineering a new camera. This camera just a brilliant step to make money with the M-hipsters, not my way. I own a MP and a M2, and I will keep them, not upgrade anymore. By the way, I love you videos. Best wishes from Germany
@@wedocam thanks, I think that Leica didn’t take the big chance to create a M6.2, like the R6.2 in the 90th. Shutter speed 1/2000, selftimer, led illuminated frame lines for bad light situations, flash sinc-speed 1/125, … That M6.2 would be on my wishlist
Great that Leica is doing this. I appreciate this as a beautifully made object. But for taken actual photos I prefer 35mm and 6x7 SLRs that are way cheaper and more practical. The price range for the cameras isn't that bad if you look at the lenses. More in the category of designer handbags that broadcast your disposable income bracket.
I expected anew faster shutter about 1/4000 sec. that the fast Leica primes would benefit from. And with that price it is more for rich collectors then real shooters...
The M6 TTL has digital circuitry for the meter which will die within the next ten years on most cameras. The M6 TTL is the worst one to get because if the meter is broken it can not be repaired very soon. Most repair people already ran out of replacement parts.
@@shaunhall8158 Sherry Kräuter told me. She was and apprentice at Leitz in 1972 and is one of the top repair people in the world. She knows these cameras better than anyone.
@@calvinchann1996 Eventually. Meanwhile I have two M5s that all the hipsters are shitting over, they are fifty years old and both give me the exact same reading as my Sekonic L758.
Nico, I agree, the classic M6 will never go down. If people think that the M6 classic will hold its value and may even increase. There is no substitute for a Leica M series. Some buy the Leica Barnack models and in my opinion they are not in the same league as a “M” model. It is my understanding that Leica no longer supports or stocks parts for Leica Barnacks. I would not recommend them as a first Leica, I don’t think they are practical for shooting, more of a shelf queen, very hard to load film and has two viewfinders. If someone wants to get a Leica at least start with a Leica M2 or M3.
The M is a little quicker if you know how to use it but Barnacks produce exactly the same quality negative, the lenses make a difference. Loading the film and using two eyepieces is no big deal, I believe you over emphasize the difference, my iiig has performed well over its life, still working better than me, I'm only a few years its senior, and has a dioptre adjustment for old eyes, M's dont.
Would be a good option, but this series is more about opinion, as the title suggests. I would like to use it before giving reasons why I do or dont like it.
I think Pentax making a new film camera would be a good move by them. Pentax aren't really doing all that amazing in the digital market and people are always on the look out for an old film camera in good condition. A new film camera that is a good price would sell quite well. Canon and Nikon don't really have a need to make a film camera, as they both do so well in the digital space. Any new film camera is a plus. Ferrari don't make low budget cars, why would Leica make a low budget camera, it would hurt their brand for the highest quality of product.
Saying Leica making a cheap camera is like saying Apple make a cheap phone or computer. It does not fit their brand or market. Personally I think the price is fair. You get it with guarantee and it will last for a long time. plus, pro gear costs pro prices. But I would kill for a new Pentax or Canon or Nikon SLR.
If ferrari brings out a retro model does it mean the other manufacturers will follow? These are just niche luxury cameras that were abandoned by most photographers in the film days, they did not stack up against spotmatics or an f. Good luck to leica in their bid to get some profit but won't do anything to expand the industry.
I don’t know what y’all are talking about in the comments, it’s amazing that Leica is bringing back the M6 and will only pressure other companies to do the same!
My opinion is, it's way Leica usual overpriced, sad but true. Rumors had it, that since 2020/21 Leica would release a new Leica film camera for around 2500 EUR, but this price is rediculous. Leica basically had the need for any much new R&D, since the M6 had been out of production for 18 (!) years. The OVF is being better, and the top plate is now brass, and 3 LEDs instead of 2 inside the Viewfinder...but seriously, that price is a mess...and nothing like "Leica for ordinary people".
Just imagine if Canon and Nikon started making film cameras again
That would be nice
The issue for them is probably that they do not have the technology (their manufacturing plants ready for how film cameras were built or suppliers any more and haven't had for years. Leica never stopped making film cameras and so for them restarting production for M6 is much much much less of a hassle (especially with Leica prices) than for any other manufacturer who stopped making film cameras years ago.
But yeah, that would be nice, there's a market for them, there are many people who do not have thousands of euros to purchase new Leica, but there are for sure a lot of people who would love to buy new just made film camera that would simply work without any hassle, etc, just because there are people who always buy only new electronics/items.
Believe it or not but Nikon and Canon still serviced their higher end film cameras such as the f4/5/6 & EOS 1N/V up until 2018 and 2020. They stopped because they were running out of parts to service them
Amen!
That would be nice if they made them affordable, not 5000$ luxury items
It would have been nice if they had never stopped making film cameras.
As always, an informative video. What I like most about Nico's videos is that he tells it like it is. If it's a stinker, he tells you so, he's not beholden to a Canon or Nikon or Hasselblad or Leica. Information is gold no matter what you are dealing with and Nico is my main source for photography and I pray he continues to give us his level of info.
This one is conflicting piece for me. I had my first experience on an M3 while I was in college back in 2004 then that was about it. I moved back to film photography in Vietnam out of necessity because I wanted the Leica experience (got myself an M6 back in 2019 and a full suit of lenses for agreeable price). The thing about film photography in my country is that it is rather affordable due to super low labor cost and you get to have a full package of developing and scanning for about $5-7 from a competent and reputable lab. I really changed my shooting habit and up my game since 2019 but realistically if I have to move back to Canada later on in my life then film would have to take a back seat with limited time and cost of the hobby in North America. A digital Leica would make way more financial senses and practicality … but the joy and my personal experience with the M6 is irreplaceable.
Or you can buy lots of film take it with you to Canada 🍁 and or when ever you go back and forth to Vietnam you can restock on film 🎞️. Just an idea.
@@miguelvazquez01 any excuse to visit vietnam is a great excuse haha
Or develop yourself.
People pay 10x what I can afford for a pair of jeans but I'm not outraged by that. People are weird that they get offended by these things. These are luxury goods. If you can afford you can play. I can't afford a Ferrari but I'm not offended that they make Ferraris! I don't demand they make cheaper Ferraris!
BTW: I ♥my classic M6. Works like new still. I bought it a while ago though. I don't think I'd pay today's prices. Glad they've done this as I can keep my classic going "forever".
Leica didn't do it to save film photography or to make it "more accessible to up and coming photographers" as their youtube mouthpiece said (more accessible? With that price tag?). They did it because it makes sense commercially. Minimal expenses in R&D, marketing and production, great sales.
I love that a film camera is releasing in 2022. My only issue is with the people who make it their entire lifestyle to shoot Leica. They care more about the body than the images they produce with it
Feels like most people I see online. The images don’t look any better than others, film or digital, but theyll swear “its the leica bro”
I think Nico’s thoughts are spot on. We can’t expect a cheaper Leica.
A Pentax MX or LX reissue would be epic.
True, epic is an understatement. Dope.
Although I shoot professionally -and I use Leicas- I wouldn’t have use for an M6, but I think it is great news for the brand and for the future of film photography. Hopefully this may induce somebody to start producing high quality scanners again, like the flextight… and who knows, we might start seeing new Mamiyas again.
A Nikon F3HP or FM2n is a winner.
I think Digital are for casuals, daily quick and fast use or corporations. Film camera are for artistians
Leica needs to end the ban on spare parts for independent repair shops! The most important “new feature” of the M6 reissue is the new supply chain to make them. That should make it possible to increase production of film cameras and *spare parts,* which are crucial for keeping used, “affordable” entry-level cameras accessible, so let’s hope for the best! 🤞
As I understand it, the light meter parts for the new M6 cannot be used for the original "Classic" so instead of repairing your Classic or TTL M6, Leica are basically trying to sell you a new camera and if your original M6 meter dies you're out of luck - unless an independent repair shop can source the parts. If this is true, I think it's very short-sighted on Leica's part. The entire brand is based on a few core tenets such as legacy/history, IQ, dependability AND the assumption by many that they're potentially buying a camera for life. Allowing relatively basic components for film bodies to become obsolete doesn't make much sense given the legion of M shooters prepared to pay through the nose for Leica to service and repair their beloved cameras. Take that away and Leica loses one of the main planks upon which it's built its reputation.
I recently bought an M6 classic in MINT UNUSED condition, can’t wait to take it out to shoot. This Re-release is awesome news for the film community as you mention here.
maybe next Hasselblad will bring back the xpan for 10k 😒
And then we’ll get more promos about how it’ll change photography or something woo lmao
Thanks for your review, Nico. I part ways with your emphasis on cost and resale value. Leicas are built like tanks -- except beautifully in every respect. Their true value is their superb manufacturing quality, functional design, and durability. That is why, a decade ago when I had to sell camera equipment to purchase something else, I decided to sell my beloved Nikon FM2s and 5 Nikkor lenses rather than my M4 and its two Leica lenses, purchased used in 1972. Not because I liked the Nikons less or because one camera was more of a workhorse professionally for me in my pro years than the other. But the Leica is a treasure as well as a workhorse, an example of the enduring value and craftsmanship that is a joy to have and to use.
Regarding the meter issue, I look back to decades when many of the best photojournalists used them only when needed--hand-held, because there were no built-ins then; they knew their light and they knew how to print difficult negatives. Look at their work! I know this doesn't apply to everyone, and hardly as much to color as to B&W, and I'm hardly arguing against meters, just noting that a built-in meter is not necessarily the beginning or end of all photography. Just a thought.
I was able to get a new replacement film rewind knob for my M6 TTL from Leica in Miami store. Production looked new, but who know. Price was reasonable, ~US$75, $90 shipped.
Nico, I am surprised to see that you also don't get it.
This new "M6" is not a new camera. It's a Leica MP with M6 design language. It's 85% (probably more!) the parts and manufacturing of the MP. It has the same shutter, same shutter cloth, same film transport mechanism, same meter, same rangefinder, same viewfinder etc.; it will be manufactured using the same machines in the same location by the very same technicians already assembling the MP and MA.
Leica slaps a newly designed top plate with a red dot and M6 engraving on a Leica MP and everyone loses their shit. This is a cosmetic variant to the MP and we should celebrate that you essentially can purchase a Leica MP at a $500 discount, because you're essentially getting the same camera.
And you'll be getting the same thing all the way down the product supply chain, starting from the ordering process with the months to years long wait list - because Leica will produce homeopathic amounts of this camera at glacial speeds; to the repair and warranty process where this new M6 will be handled just like the existing MP in production.
This is a Leica MP "M6" edition. Period.
Hugh at Three Blind Men and an Elephant did an interview with Leica's head of marketing. Watch that. Leica in that interview says they're essentially different versions of the same camera.
Better have one camera that you shoot often than 4 or 5 that hardly see the day of light, so my vote is selling the cameras you don’t use and buy the new M6 (or MP). You could keep your M2 for non-metered experience with a 35/50, and get the M6 for your 28mm lens. And of course, if you do get it do share your thoughts with us :)
This is phenomenal news. I hope a 0.58X version is part of the lineup. I do find the appeal of the M2 as I also own one but the built-in meter of the M6 is a useful tool. I am glad that photography is not merely a money pit for me since my cameras pay for themselves back many times over.
Head of marketing said there will no variations of the M6. He stated that the MP and M-A are the variations - if you want a meter or not, and if you want chrome or black paint.
Did you make a video review of that Black Paint M2 ? Is that original or repaint ? 😮
Glad the M6 is really back , yes ; this means FILM is not dead.
I fully agree with you. This is the best thought out and reasoned video that I’ve seen about the new M6! Although I prefer my M3 as the viewfinder is the best! It’s still £700 cheaper than a new Nikon Z9 which will depreciate very fast and be out of date within a few years.
Isn’t the internals of the MP what’s inside the new M6? Or just the finder?
Hopefully this will motivate Nikon or Pentax to get something out for us film users.
Prices will go down. If people choose the newer camera. That means older cameras not selling as regularly. More on the market...thus the price will drop because nothing likes to sit unsold in the market.
A $5300 bucks for a M6 crazy and then add a 35 lux to it. I got so many Leica's M6, 3F, M10, M11, SL, SL2 and a whole bunch of M lens. I still use my Z9 never lets me down. The BEST M was the M3 that's the one Leica should have reissued
Excellent video Nico, as usual your reflections are on point. In my humble opinion, the resurrection of the Leica M6 is a solid step for photography and therefore for the industry and for photographers who continue to use film. It is good news that I suppose will stimulate the production of the film. As for the price, which seemed to shock everyone, however, it is absolutely fair and even necessary, first for everything you mention, but also because if someone (in my case, I have 2 Leicas, one M6 TTL and another M7 and 3 lenses that I treasure) is really interested practicing analog photography and reaching a certain level will go out of his way to buy the Leica M6 and its wonderful lenses. Luckily there are many cheaper cameras and lenses that are just as useful. Finally, the images are not made by the cameras, it is the talent of those who use them.
Maybe a dumb question but what's the difference of MP, MA and M6 ?
7 months on....I bought a classic in great condition for 2600, I saw a ttl for 2700..Both sitting for weeks. Thank goodness the new release cratered the used market.
any chance they will re-issue another batch?
This new m6 is not a batch, its a new product they will keep making. Or do you mean another old model brought back to life?
@@NicosPhotographyShow Thanks for clarifying. I was told it was "a single production run", almost like a special issue. It is good to hear it is an ongoing product. Now I just have to save up $7K CDN
If I had the money, I’d buy the rights and designs for one of the great film SLR cameras, eg: Nikon F3, Pentax K1000, and I start making large runs of replacement parts to feed into the supply chain.
Then, once I had enough of that sorted out, I’d start offering a “remanufacturing” service for committed users. Producing new units would follow on soon after.
Maybe the whole Nikon FM/FE/FA series instead of the F3.
The new M6 is a MP with an engraved M6 top cover cover.
Nikon made the FM3a mechanical AND electronic at the same time, meaning it has aperture priority but can work without batteries at all speeds. Not to mention the max speed at 1/4000. I don’t see why Leica couldn’t make it possible with an M camera
Because Leica RF cameras use clothe shutters. It’s a trade off between noise and vibration vs. speed.
Speed likely isn’t possible with a cloth shutter but a hybrid shutter is. That said there’s a reason why there’s only one camera that can do that. It took a lot of R&D and certainly wouldn’t be cheap to produce. It would also take a total redesign of the inside of the M6 to fit two shutter mechanisms. It’s probably doable, much like it was on the FM3A which is comparable in size to the M6, but there isn’t a ton of incentive for Leica to do it (these are selling out without even having feature parity with the M6 TTL) and if they did you could probably expect a pretty heady price jump.
@@toulcaz31 oh you’re right, I had forgotten about Leicas being extremely silent, that’s important for discrete photography
One thing that hasn't been picked up yet is a well-needed change (if the specs are correct). The frame lines from the late M4-P onwards, including M6 (classic/TTL), MP, M-A, are accurate at .7m (vs the 1m frame lines of previous M cameras). For this new M6, the specs state that the frame lines are accurate at 2m (the same as the M10/M11). This is a better middle-ground distance for approximate framing.
Smart and easy to follow
What happened to the moustache?
It got discontinued.
@@NicosPhotographyShow So we can expect a less saturated replacement version to show up in a few years?
My only issue with M6/MP is the shutter speed dial. If only they could make it like on M7 or the digital bodies, I'd be all over it.
It's very exciting news for the film community. I'm thinking about purchasing one (who needs a car anyway 🤣)
Is the leica M6 going to be available after this re-release. In other words, will they continue to manufacture it or is it just a limited release?
Its not limited, its a new product.
M3 and m2 are the best IMO. And you don’t need a light meter if you shoot enough without a meter.
I must be dense, but what is the difference between the MP and new M6?
They're mostly the same, but there are a few minor differences. The new Leica M6 only comes it black whereas MP comes in silver and black. The black MP has a glossy finish, whereas the M6 has a matte finish. The M6 has a red dot on the lens release button, a red Leitz logo, and a slanted rewind leaver. The MP has the more classical rewind knob you find on the M2 and M3.
Not much, as is the case with all leicas
Thanks, it baffles me why they would basically bring out the same camera. The price for the MP is the same as the M6.
@@johnLee-bb2do perhaps there's not much they could improve really without going for electronic shutter. i see it as a heritage release which is just a matter of which design you prefer. i'd personally go for an mp but i don't like the shutter dial on both so i'll just stick to my m7 while it's still running.
Does this mean they’ll be producing parts that can be used to repair older versions of the camera?
really good analysis of the new M6!
Leica certainly wouldn't have been stupid enough to produce a cheaper M and then kill off their own prices, not to mention all the used prices.
In genral, the M6 2022 also no longer has much in common with the old models except that they look quite similar.
what is the difference between the M6 and the MP ? are they going to stop making the MP and the M-A now that they're started making the M6 again?
Re-introducing the Hasselblad Xpan would be nice
The Leica M7 was build until 2021, so everyone could have bought one, but the hype around that camera was not so big...
I agree with just about everything you said. I bought an M6 TTL used in 2015 and could probably sell it for more than what I paid. I don't think I'd be turning a profit though because I had to get the frame selector repaired twice! And I got it at Adorama, not some random eBay seller. I like the M6 more than you did but I don't use it as much as my Nikons. Because Nikon gear is so much cheaper it's a lot easier to have many lenses and backup bodies. Still, I'm glad new film cameras are being made and hopefully new parts will be available for my M6 if necessary.
I don’t understand this release. What does it mean for the MP? Why didn’t they base it on the TTL, with its more logical shutter speed dial?
shout out for the kai wong book!
a black paint M2 (provided it is original black paint) is worth 3 times the new M6 as of now. I would be very conscious about bringing out that camera.
Im still finding out its history, but it seems to be a factory redo not 100% OG black from production. But living in Finland its safe to take it anywhere.
@@NicosPhotographyShow Ah gotcha. It looks stunning btw, enjoy your contents very much, keep it up!
I think it’s great. I wish they’d have brought back the M7 as I had one previously and wouldn’t buy that secondhand, but might be tempted by a new one. I now have an MP so don’t need a new M6, but I hope this sells by the lorryload.
If Nikon rereleased the FM2n it would sell like hot cakes. Its brilliantly simple to use and a Nikon 50 1.4 is a great mate. Film isn’t dead. I’ve got a Z6 and it’s what I expected. A computer operated unit. No thrill and no mystery in using it. It’s too perfect.
I have understood that all spare sparts will not be the same between the old one and the new one.
The parts ban is way bigger news and has a much larger impact on the community. Please share your insights.
Why do people think these cameras should be cheap? These have always been the Rolls Royce of film cameras. PERIOD
Its funny because their film camera is 5K but their digital ones are almost 2x. The craftsmanship to make them is so high, parts, mechanical parts, etc... plus this is price with VAT, if you remove VAT and store profit the camera leaves the factory at around 3K, made in Germany...
I just don’t get why it is more expansive than the more premium MP. The inside is the same.
They should bring back the M7 and their a la carte program.
Good coverage. It's supposed to be 95% the same, different leather because vulcanite is obsolete, improved rangefinder like the MP, and new electronics for the lightmeter. I don't think parts for the rest of the camera is an issue. I agree I don't think it will reduce the price of used M6s and this way Leica can capitalize on the desire for an M6. It also covers all those people who complained that they want an M4/M6 style rewind knob and an M4/M6 style wind-on lever.
It would be fantastic if the parts of the new one fit the old ones!!! Almost to good to be true! I hope it is.
All good points, sadly it is out of my budget ... I will continue with my Leica IIIf and Minolta CL!!!
I agree with you if the new camera has compatible parts to the classic because now it gives more life to the thousands of classics that are already out there. I wonder though, that if it is a camera hand made like the MP and MA with similar quality and the price is similar then will the lack of availability also be similar. What good is a camera that you cannot get because of lack of availability? My used M4-P is the better camera because I have it and can be out photographing in minutes. The new M6 does no good for me or the community if it is not affordable or already sold out.
For me, the new release m6 is ridiculous. A 5000EUR film camera with 1980’s technology? I was hopping some modifications such as selectable light meter mod.
And the first version of 35 1.4? Even worse. I am looking forward comparison between Leica‘s and Voigtlander’s.
At first I was bit confused about this new camera. Then listened to few opinion and my thoughts on that. I agree that there cannot be a cheap leica, it would undercut their other film camera models. Next, when you buy leica, it's not about better image irrespective of lens you use, never understood the leica look, it's about brand, prestige etc. So, anybody who is buying leica is aware of the price. So, with leica m6, we have one more brand new leica. So, price is ok. Now, whether it will inspire other companies to bring new film camera, or whether this will bring down the prices of used leica m6, it's to be seen. My point is if you want to shoot film and shoot leica, go ahead. No point listening to few POV on price, leica trying to cash in m6 popularity etc. It's your choice. Regarding me, I can't afford a leica, even a used one. So, this launch doesn't make difference, but if this helps the community as Nico said, I am happy as I love shooting film irrespective of the price and cost that is there.
Amen especially the brand and prestige part.
Want to pick one up but won't have a use for it? Damn... I mean I'll take it if you don't want it
The new M6 is a restyled MP. Meter is different than the one in the original one. So no good news on this end. I just had my M6 repaired and the tech told me that Leica doesn't suport M6 anymore, no new light meter boards. I just had rewind crank replaced + a little cła, but the future doesn't looks bright. On top this tech told that Leica just scraped huge amount of parts for older models, no reason for me not to believe as this guy was trained in Wetzlar and knows people there.
@@cansagarri6749 as far as I know it's not possible. The same was for TTL, not suitable for classic. You know, if you care about your users then you support- like Mercedes does, you can buy any part for classic cars because they care abot their heritage. Leica not so much and I'm sure a lot of current M6 users were wishing for them to put out the old M6 design and bring back the parts supply.
One big upgrade from the original M6, though, is the better glass for the viewfinder, which doesn't "flare" as much (which results in a loss of the focusing path, so that you can't focus accurately). In my experience, that is an actual, big problem with the original. As for repairs, don't all Leica dealers offer some level or repairs, and if they can't do it, ship to it Leica for you?
Nowdays i prefer film camera.
Thanks for the video. It is good to hear that the Leica M6 is back in production.
I shoot Leica M6 film and Leica M10 digital cameras with 21mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.4, and 90mm f/2 lenses. Great cameras and great lenses.
If I did not already have an M6, I would buy a new M6 or a new MP.
New Leica M6 or Leica MP, and why?
The price is stupid. But nice offering from Leica. It suits market demand and provides one of only a few options for a new fresh film camera.
-The real question is why would anyone with any sense spend 10k to put together a full Leica kit with a range of lenses when you can build the same kit for a third of the price with Nikon film?
As an m6 user I was thrilled to see the “new” release. It’s great for the industry and I agree I think it makes my current camera more future proof in terms of support for parts (or makes the chances of getting it replaced if say it’s lost/stolen/beyond repair… even greater with it still being in production)
Very good for the M6 fans. For me, the MA all day long, specially if they are about the same price.
But I just don't understand, why don't just buy the mp instead of the m6. IMO I think mp just looks much better than the m6 and I guess they function pretty much the same.
I don’t like the new M6, it’s just a MP in a new dress. We all are waiting for a cheaper version of the film Leica. The new M6 is not a new construction, Leica didn’t spent any money to engineering a new camera. This camera just a brilliant step to make money with the M-hipsters, not my way.
I own a MP and a M2, and I will keep them, not upgrade anymore.
By the way, I love you videos. Best wishes from Germany
@@wedocam thanks, I think that Leica didn’t take the big chance to create a M6.2, like the R6.2 in the 90th. Shutter speed 1/2000, selftimer, led illuminated frame lines for bad light situations, flash sinc-speed 1/125, …
That M6.2 would be on my wishlist
Great that Leica is doing this. I appreciate this as a beautifully made object. But for taken actual photos I prefer 35mm and 6x7 SLRs that are way cheaper and more practical. The price range for the cameras isn't that bad if you look at the lenses. More in the category of designer handbags that broadcast your disposable income bracket.
Next will be a new Nikon FM10. Wait and see.
I expected anew faster shutter about 1/4000 sec. that the fast Leica primes would benefit from. And with that price it is more for rich collectors then real shooters...
Still rather like my M3
I think you should pick one up and make a giveaway :-)
The M6 TTL has digital circuitry for the meter which will die within the next ten years on most cameras. The M6 TTL is the worst one to get because if the meter is broken it can not be repaired very soon. Most repair people already ran out of replacement parts.
What factual information do you have back up your statement about TTL M6 meters all failing in the next ten years?
@@shaunhall8158 Sherry Kräuter told me. She was and apprentice at Leitz in 1972 and is one of the top repair people in the world. She knows these cameras better than anyone.
So my TTL becomes a MA.
@@calvinchann1996 Eventually. Meanwhile I have two M5s that all the hipsters are shitting over, they are fifty years old and both give me the exact same reading as my Sekonic L758.
Nico, I agree, the classic M6 will never go down. If people think that the M6 classic will hold its value and may even increase. There is no substitute for a Leica M series. Some buy the Leica Barnack models and in my opinion they are not in the same league as a “M” model. It is my understanding that Leica no longer supports or stocks parts for Leica Barnacks. I would not recommend them as a first Leica, I don’t think they are practical for shooting, more of a shelf queen, very hard to load film and has two viewfinders. If someone wants to get a Leica at least start with a Leica M2 or M3.
The M is a little quicker if you know how to use it but Barnacks produce exactly the same quality negative, the lenses make a difference. Loading the film and using two eyepieces is no big deal, I believe you over emphasize the difference, my iiig has performed well over its life, still working better than me, I'm only a few years its senior, and has a dioptre adjustment for old eyes, M's dont.
It would be nice if you could show examples of what you don't like about the new M6, instead of just giving your opinions.
Would be a good option, but this series is more about opinion, as the title suggests. I would like to use it before giving reasons why I do or dont like it.
The mechanical shutter control for the new m6 seems a bit of a disappointment.
My life would be fulfilled once Leica reboots the M3 😂
Great informative review.
5 grand though… 😂
I’ll stick to a older canon F1
I think it is great that Leica is bringing back the M6, but for me I have tried rangefinder cameras, including Leica, & I really don' like them!
#ShouldHaveBeenLeicaMF
I think Pentax making a new film camera would be a good move by them. Pentax aren't really doing all that amazing in the digital market and people are always on the look out for an old film camera in good condition. A new film camera that is a good price would sell quite well. Canon and Nikon don't really have a need to make a film camera, as they both do so well in the digital space. Any new film camera is a plus. Ferrari don't make low budget cars, why would Leica make a low budget camera, it would hurt their brand for the highest quality of product.
More like 6K + taxes!
It came put at around 5K with taxes, but prices go up.
I am more curious where are you guys find all that money for those Leica's. 🤣🤣🤣
Saying Leica making a cheap camera is like saying Apple make a cheap phone or computer. It does not fit their brand or market.
Personally I think the price is fair. You get it with guarantee and it will last for a long time. plus, pro gear costs pro prices. But I would kill for a new Pentax or Canon or Nikon SLR.
Get the used one for 1700
Hi Nico, i sent you an email just let me know if you received it. Take care.
If ferrari brings out a retro model does it mean the other manufacturers will follow? These are just niche luxury cameras that were abandoned by most photographers in the film days, they did not stack up against spotmatics or an f. Good luck to leica in their bid to get some profit but won't do anything to expand the industry.
Just grow a pair and buy a used M2 like Nico. Proper.😂
If you made those changes... it wouldn't be an M6!!
I don’t know what y’all are talking about in the comments, it’s amazing that Leica is bringing back the M6 and will only pressure other companies to do the same!
My opinion is, it's way Leica usual overpriced, sad but true. Rumors had it, that since 2020/21 Leica would release a new Leica film camera for around 2500 EUR, but this price is rediculous. Leica basically had the need for any much new R&D, since the M6 had been out of production for 18 (!) years. The OVF is being better, and the top plate is now brass, and 3 LEDs instead of 2 inside the Viewfinder...but seriously, that price is a mess...and nothing like "Leica for ordinary people".
I'll rather have Leica do this instead of putting their name on Chinese smartphones.
I must admit not much interest in the new M6 It's mostly an MP in an M6 skin.
lmao $9200 for the body and lens, more utter rich people nonsense. I’ll stick to my Olympus 35 RC I think
I don't know why people keep saying that. You can get a used setup for half that or even less in my case.
@@dmitrybelyakov that’s still a quarter of my annual salary lol
@@tompoynton well, there's now arguing with that that's for sure. but frankly i would be just as happy with a nikon. it's just a camera, that's all.
@@dmitrybelyakov yep I have Nikons and they work great for me.
Don´t buy the new Leica.