Celestion Alnico cream and M creamback - what's the difference?
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- Celestion Alnico cream and M creamback speakers are amongst the most popular speakers that we use in our cabs, but they tend not to be used mixed together. Here we demonstrate how the alnico cream and M creamback sound both by themselves in a shootout but also together as a mixed pair.
To do this we recorded both speakers in an identical 1x12 setup, same mics, mic placements, amps and settings by re-amping the same scenario through several different styles.
We love to hear your thoughts on anything speaker related, if you've used this pair before or the individual speakers, or if you have any suggestions please get in touch.
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Gear used:
Zilla Fatbaby 1x12 cab
Marshall JMP 100W
Celestion M creamback
Celestion Alnico cream
Laney VC15
Deisel Schmidt
Peavey 5150
Marshall silver jubilee
PRS CU22
Fender EJ Strat
Ibanez Artist
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I can't believe it, i asked for this demo in a comment few days ago.. Thanks so much for this, you guys made my day!
haha yeah, it was good timing for sure. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Yesterday morning I was researching speakers and this combo had been recommended by some people. Couldn't find a demo of them together. The same evening you uploaded this! BRILLIANT! Your videos are the only good speaker comparison vids on TH-cam. Thanks so much for putting in the time and effort. Looking very much forward to rocking that cab you guys are building me! ❤️
haha we knew you were searching for it ;) That is very kind of you, I'm glad you find them useful. They are fun to make but can be a little overwhelming sometimes with the sheer number of possibilities.
@@ZillaCabs I can imagine... I'm gonna do a dual overdrive shootout soon. A dozen pedals. I'm already looking forward to hitting that export button and I haven't even started yet 😂😂
This is THE definitive comparison video between these two speakers. Very well-done, and thank you for putting the hard work in to make this available to us all.I preferred the Creamback M by a large margin in every way. By comparison Cream Alnico was overly scooped, too deep and extended in the lows, has something unnatural sounding in the highs, was overly compressed, muddy, and lacked articulation.
I have to stop watching these videos... I want one of each of everything you demo! :D
hahaha glad you like them.
Following in your footsteps, buddy
Both speakers are great..! Uff, I don't know which one I like more ...but together is it mighty sound ! Iˇm impressed especially how perfect and balanced they sounded in High gain-Low Tune situation.. Awesome !!!
Thanks Marek. You are right, they stay really tight for higher gain stuff.
I thought the mix was outstanding. I have Alnico Creams but now I know what I definitely want to pair with them in three 2x12 cabs. Thanks for the demo.
Excellent, I'm glad you found it useful. I really like that mix too.
Great work Zilla cabs!! I'll be trying the alnico cream and creamback 65 tonight
Excellent, let us know how you get on.
What is that hiss on the alnico speaker?
This is a great mix. It’s like they were made for each other.
Thanks. That's my thoughts too.
@@ZillaCabs how about mixing greenback & alnico ruby?..i guess it will be awesome..
With mild overdrive or mid gain I think I'd pick the alnico speaker for a very narrow margin.
However, for high gain I'd pick the ceramic M speaker without contest. It's my kind of sound and that's why I'm a proud owner of that very same speaker 😊
For clean sounds I don't even care about using speakers, nothing sounds better to me than going direct and using some EQ here and there 😜
I think that's a really cool take on things here. I can see how anyone would have a favourite here, but I always think it is a nice surprise when you kind of prefer the cheaper of the two... like a small bonus ;) Thanks for watching.
I thought the M sounded a little bit more open, the Alnico was a bit more focused, plus the highs were a bit more musical. Sounded stellar together.
Yeah, I love them together. Thanks as always for watching Patrick.
Yeah, I heard more a bit more top end shimmer in the H. It Fizzed with gain.
The albino had mids.
I like the slight upper mid push in the M vs the Alnico. Makes for a better harmonic content in higher gain use.
The M cream is pretty good for keeping the low end nice and tight in higher gain sounds too, its a speaker we use a fair bit for seven and eight string players.
I don't hear Alnico cream like this. In person, it is more bell like , livelier then anything out there. Clean pops out, full, complex mid, crisp highs, no harsh. no buzziness on od.
One of my favorite combinations so far. I think it'd be equally interesting to hear an Alnico Blue and Heritage H (55hz) combination
It's an awesome combo
Great videos! The mix sounds the best to me. You're going to have to do them all over again with Fender amps...😆
haha, yeah I've been looking at getting a silverface twin in the studio for a while. Glad you like the video.
The EQ map looks almost identical between the two with the exception of the Alnico being a bit more midscooped… BUT the icepicky spike in the 8k-9k range of the Alnico is very noticeable and I hate it. Too much like a V30. The ceramic Creambacks will always have a special place in my heart.
Valuable info you guys are generating, Thanks a ton. I'm experimenting with a Fender Tonemaster Twin I just got. It's the Blackface, but I've loaded the Blond software and It sounds very nice with the stock Twin 12" Jensen N12Ks. I've been planning to swap in Celestion G12M-65 Creambacks one at a time. After listening to your tests my tail is wagging. I can't wait.
Both sound great clean but with the overdriven sound, I'm picking up a high fizz from the AlNiCo speaker though my monitors that isn't pleasant. I have the M creamback which just seems to handle anything that I throw at it.
They are great speakers. I have to say maybe it is the mic that possibly doesn't help so much but I tend not to hear that fizz in the room so much with the alnico, but there is a bit of it here. The M cream doesn't have that so it maybe becomes a little more pronounced in these comparisons. Bonus when you prefer the cheaper of the two isn't it ;)
Why does the Cream have that weird high end fizz when you switch back to it? It’s only present in the overdrive ones but it’s so weird and unmusical IMO. What’s going on there?
Thanks for the vids as they are an invaluable resource. This is another classic go-to video when determining speaker choice. Are there any Zilla cab dealers/showrooms in the U.S.?
Thanks Jacques. We don't have any outlets, we deal direct, it just means we can be more hands on and give direct advice to customers. We ship to the States a fair bit these days, we have quite a few customers over there.
together in a mix, impressive...
thanks for these comparison videos, they've been very helpful. personally I love the alnico creamback but now I am curious to hear match ups with the fullback. any chance you could create something featuring the 15" fullback?
We need to do more work with the fullback, we are going to be a bit restricted to filming for a little while but when things come back on track then I do plan to get more content on the fullback for sure.
Love the mix of alnico and ceramic was what I end up going with when I got my custom speaker cab. Also tried to contact you guys about making it but never heard back.. is that cause I live in New Zealand and shipping would have been to hard?
Anything up to metal the mix is great. For cleans nothing beats the Alnico ;-)
Yeah I think the Alnico cream is just so good for cleans, you can really hear the quality. Thanks for watchign Christian.
@@ZillaCabs Hi There, For Clean with Bright Guitar + Bright Amp, do you prefere Alnico Cream alone 1x12 ? Or have other mix suggestion for 2x12 ?
All of your vids are very awesome, make it so hard to choose LOL
The alnico is rich and vibrant, wonderful for cleans. But the tighter and more focused kids of the ceramic seem better as drive/distortion goes up. I think if say you wanted the absolute finest speaker for like a Deluxe Reverb or similar type amp, alnico all the way. A Marshall or high gain, especially in cabs...the ceramics.
The combination of two works nicely for a broad range, it seems. I could see that being great for a separate cab if you were going to cover a lot of clean + gain. But I also think that ceramic in say a boogie 1x12 thiele-ported ext. cab would be incredible.
Alnico sounds more compressed, more defined. I prefer the Classic Creamback, especially in the higher gain stuff.
Damnit gentlemen, now i have to go replace my T75 with a Creamback!
Hey, I just saw your email come over, I'll get a proper response over in a bit if that is alright. Always good when you prefer the cheaper of the two ;)
Mids seem shifted lower in the G12M Creamback, I preferred it over the ALNico.
I’m thinking about Alnico Cream or H Cremback for my 64 Custom Deluxe Reverb combo. Would appreciate your input. I get that it’s all personal preference but would love to know what your @Zilla Cabs personal preference for blackface amps. I play country, classic rock …clean to mid gain .
Thanks in advance
Did you go with the alnico? I’m about to put one in my 64 also
The alnico really sounds clear. The cream back seems to have more mids, low fi.
i woul loved to have the creamback h in there as well
I think we did the H cream, alnico cream a few weeks back....... we've done all six combinations of the creambacks... well we have released four now I think.
Love my Cream 90’s💪
Yeah it's a classic for sure.
I have a few speakers now ,which i tried to combine: A Monster Combo is Creamback M and Redback🤘
Alnico and redback f.e not that good.
Alnico and V30 UK i use in a 4x12 X Pattern also 💪🏻
Would the blend sound the same in a 2 amps 1x12 stereo setup. I have an alnico cream equipped blues deluxe and thinking about buying another one and then putting a cream back in? Would that be a great idea? Thanks in advance
I prefer the cleans of the creamback,but for gain the cream!
Surprised I liked the ceramic in this demo. It had the glassy highs when clean, then the smooth top end when distorted.
The alnico sounded dull in comparison in the cleans, and like a kazoo distorted.
A few people have mentioned that the alnico isn't sounding as nice in the distortion. I can't hear that myself, it is usually quite a warm sounding speaker. Thanks for watching.
Alnico sounds more compressed cut mid freq and closed sounding compere to the m in my opinion, i use the g12h 55h and the g12 65 heritage mostly when not using my engl xxl cab :)
Those are two great speakers... so you mix them two together? I bet that sounds great.
@@ZillaCabs yes i mostly use wet dry wet rig the 4*12 v30 (2 standard and 2 mesa)is the dry in the middle and the wet effects are the 55hz and 65 sound amazing
@@baruchdor Excellent, both those speakers mix great with the V30s and with each other so I can see that really singing!
Nice but I suggest it would have been more helpful playing the same licks back to back through the different speakers - but thanks.
Why the hell do most Celestions sound so suffocated? Like there's a blanket over the cab, WTF?
Really? I don't hear that at all.
Are you listening on good equipment?
The cream one sounded good.
Alnico has a high end hiss to it i don't like....
Cream alnico sounds too bassy,I don't like it.
Everything thing from 200 Hz and on drops with the Alnico compared to the ceramic, making it sound more anemic. Then comes the distortion and this cream Alnico goes to utter shit! Fizzy cheap AM transistor radio sound. Funny thing is the ceramic cream back doesn’t hold a candle to an original greenback for top end breakup. Which means if you compared the Alnico cream to a greenback - it would be utterly awful in comparison. If you like the Alnico, you most definitely are hearing with your eyes! I bet the chassis is excellent. If I picked up one of those use - I would immediately remove the cone and I know exactly what would be going back in!
Utter shit, really? I just don't hear that.
@@ZillaCabs those Celestion Alnico speakers have wacky tonality. Maybe you are not old enough to remember those cheap nasty transistor am hand held radios. But that is what those Alnicos sound like when distorted - and it’s frequency response from 200 Hz onwards drops off compared to the creamback. Absolutely no reason on this planet earth to choose the Alnico over the ceramic in this shootout. It’s a shame because vintage Alnico speakers sounded really good
@@voxpathfinder15r Have you listened to Lance Keltner's YT Clip of his 412 loaded with 4 x Celestion Cream Alnicos? They are pretty awesome Speakers in my opinion. Remember this is YT & is merely an indication, not an absolute due to file compression. Almost like comparing an mp3 file to a Record or CD.
@@rudiganter5691 nope
@@voxpathfinder15r I think if anything your comments just go to show the following:
1) comparing speakers side by side, in isolation, while eliminating all other variables might give the most clear and objective representation of the differences between the frequency response of each speaker, but at the same time this may not necessarily produce the most flattering result for every speaker.
2) there's something of an unavoidable psychoacoustic effect involved here, where the sound of one speaker affects your perception of the sound of the other. My ears don't like sound of the Alnico creams in this video, relative to hearing the G12M creambacks, but my ears love them when they are directly compared to more bright and aggressive sounding speakers like V30s in Zilla's other comparisons, despite the fact that the Alnico cream clips are the exact same audio clips.