Canon EOS 90D review: IN-DEPTH vs 80D vs 7D II vs M6 II
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- Canon EOS 90D in-depth review vs EOS 80D, 7D II and M6 II
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01:00 - Design, controls, ports, battery, screen, cards
06:00 - burst shooting through viewfinder and in live view
13:12 - movie mode, 1080 vs 4k, video autofocus, face tracking
20:21 - sensor, lenses, photo quality, noise, resolution
24:39 - final verdict
Canon EOS 90D in-depth review vs EOS 80D, 7D II and M6 II
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01:00 - Design, controls, ports, battery, screen, cards
06:00 - burst shooting through viewfinder and in live view
13:12 - movie mode, 1080 vs 4k, video autofocus, face tracking
20:21 - sensor, lenses, photo quality, noise, resolution
24:39 - final verdict
A correction:
Nikon are no longer fitting twin card slots in mid range cameras. The D7500 dropped dual slots.
Also one of the other channels tested and found focus issues are greatly reduced if you turn off eye AF (and possibly face AF too).
It can't focus well. I can't buy it. Very simple. Sticking with my 80D on the Canon side and D7200 on the Nikon side.
Thanks to Gordon, the real "pro" in camera reviews, have been watching your online reviews since the Nikon D40 came out!
@@peterernst1455 Thanks!
@@cameralabs got a great deal on a d7500 in Canada earlier this year so that's what I'll be using for awhile but I admit the 90D is very nice too
Deez nuts there's a lot of D's in them lol
Gordon just wanted to say your effort in making these video's is appreciated.
You are maybe the only one (maybe 1 or 2 more) that tries to do objective ones.
Today's cameras are way too good, people forget what photography is and what's it all about, finding a true good photographer nowdays is like finding a needle in a haystack.
Thanks, I appreciate your support!
You can't really blame people for chasing specs the cameras are getting better but people are falling for the incremental updates thinking they are major improvements!. On top of that everyone is guilty of not fully setting up or fully utilising their camera bodies before considering upgrading. Because of a reduction in gear costs compared to first digital allot of photographers can try different disciplines, i am a portrait photographer but am currently enjoying wildlife, not very good at it but having allot of fun. :)
I agree. I have a very basic entry level Olympus mirrorless, probably from 2012, and I love that thing. Amazing photos. The newest is always fun but I agree that all these new features are just given here and there. While dslrs are dying this really looks like the best one to come out in a while.
Canon just announced that they will offer a firmware update by the end of October to allow 24p on the 90D.
Ye fake news
@@ramonvanbentum7844 Fact check.
www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/cameras/eos-dslr-and-mirrorless-cameras/dslr/eos-90d-body?subtab=downloads-firmware
Fake news... my ass. CANON came through, and I successfully downloaded the firmware and had the ability to shoot 24 fps in HD and 4K.
@@ramonvanbentum7844 dumbass 😂
TrubadorPhotography yup!! I did the firmware on mines and now I can record 24p
First time viewer, and a long time Canon user. I started with the 7D around 2006, then upgraded to the 7D Mk II. I recently found this review and was so impressed, I acquired the 90D and absolutely love it. Thanks for your review.
7D MK II is better or 90D is better ?
Which do you prefer?
I"m still shooting on my 7d. lol. time for an upgrade
@@softhunterdevil, The 7D has the ability to make smaller image file that I use for immediate downloads. While I use the 90D for large images and most of my photo needs.
@@morris2112 , yes, it's time for a major upgrade if you have the money. I sold my 2 7D cameras to acquire the 7D Mark II. I have another 7D Mark II as a backup. Also the 7D Mark II has GPS stamping.
They should have charged $100 or so more, put the 7DII focusing through OVF in it, and market it as a successor to the 7D line with addition of good video and eye detect technology. As it is, I would choose any of M6II, a6400 or X-T30 over this.
I agree
The 7Dii focusing system is crappy & inconsistent i am currently using the 150-600mm Sport & 80D propperly setup, lens calibration is perfect the hit rate is awesome just know your gear & don't shoot in back or side lighting situations like Mr Gordon & BIF focusing will improve greatly!. Back lighting is for pretty silhouettes or shadow lifted portraits...
They really couldn't market it as a 7D due to its smaller lighter build quality. Better to give it improved AF but keep it as a 90 D. I'm finding the 90D a much more enjoyable camera even with it's limitations. The 7D mk ii has only got mediocre image quality compared to my other cameras.
I've just bought this camera, actually a few days ago, and just published the unboxing and first impressions...from my humble vlogger point of view I can say it's an awesome camera...So far I have used it with the 10-18mm IS STM, the 24mm pancake lens, the 50mm 1.8 and the 55-250mm IS STM. The 120fps 1080 and 4k with no crop and dual pixel autofocus are the two main reasons why I decided to get the 90D. I haven't tried the 4K yet...I am afraid my computer will pack up and leave if I try (it's an old mcbook pro 2012)I was surprised when I found out that the built-in microphone produces a great quality sound...when I switch from built in microphone to rode videomicro outdoors, if there isn't much wind, I can barely hear the difference. I love this camera. Love your videos!
Sadly this will be the best APS-C digital slr ever made by Canon and more than likely the end of the line as Canon turns their attention to mirrorless production. I plan to upgrade my 70D to the 90D because I have no plans to go the R or Rp or whatever model that replaces them because it's cheaper to use what I have.
Wow, now that I think about it, ever since I got interested in cameras and gear in 2012/2013, your reviews have been on top of my watch list! To many more years of amazing reviews!!!!
Cheers!
Hi. This camera is capable of achieve clean images of night sky with high ISO settings like ISO 5000 or 6400???
Forget the camera, I want the house with all the original features, the iron fireplace, the hearth tiles, the wooden floor, the shuttered bay, the picture rails. Love that style. I'm packing up my cheese plant to move in.
Nice review. My results differ though. For me, the 7D Mark II missed a lot of BIF shots versus the Canon 80D or 90D.
In many cases 6 out of 10 photos were out of focus when shooting BIF with all AF points.
Another big issue was shooting with a 1.4x Extender at f/8. The 7D Mark II only worked with 1 AF point at f/8 while the Canon 80D and 90D support 27 AF points at f/8. Using the Canon 100-400mm II lens with the Canon 1.4x Extender III and either the Canon 80D or 90D,
gave you 896mm at f/8. 400mm x 1.6 crop x 1.4 Extender = 896mm.
The thing to look out for is field of view. At 896mm, f/10 gave better in-focus results.
Combine f/10 and 2000-3200 shutter, gave excellent BIF captures. Had to narrow down the 27 AF points to 9 AF points for a better in-focus ratio. The 10 Fps shutter speed was disappointing on the 90D. The. buffer filled up to quickly and writing 40Mb raw files to an SD card was slow. Workaround is to use the new CRaw format instead of Raw. It’s half the size at 20Mb and the image quality is very good.
Little support for CR3 files yet from vendors like Adobe when using Photoshop Elements 2020. Had to use Canon’s DPP4 tool to process the CR3 files and save them as jpegs.
I like a cropped sensor DSLR because it gives more reach for macro, which is what I enjoy shooting most. I also like OVF over EVF, and DSLRs have better battery life. I concur with Gordon about the 90D's resolution. My own test was restricted to comparing my 6 year old 70D against the 90D on display at Best Buy. I made a point of matching camera settings, ISO, focal lengths, aperture, shutter speeds, distance and perspectives for both as best I could.
The increase in resolution over the 70D was not nearly what I would have expected from a 12mp sensor boost and 3 generations of processor evolution. Yes, there was some increase in resolution, but it's not like it knocked my socks off either. Canon seems to have focused more on video performance (admittedly of zero interest to me) and used the 32.5mp spec more as a selling point to separate the 90D from the competition. I don't shoot RAW but I think they're using too much jpeg compression and/or anti-aliasing and not getting nearly the full potential out of the available pixels . Just look at the comparative file sizes of say Sony's a6400 at 24.2mp vs. the Canon's at 32.5mp and you'll see what I mean (8M more pixels, but a significantly smaller file size in the 90D kind of tells the story for me).
I was really excited by this camera's release, but my 70D still holds it's own and I'm not running out buy one.
Here's the problem, you don't shoot RAW. Raw processed images are pro quality with an L lens.
FINALLY! Someone turned the display light on lol. Was really hoping it was blue :(
I remember the 50D review.. I was a subscriber already back then. Nice 90D review but like you said personally like M6 mk2 better.
Glad you've been a viewer for so long!
nice review, I bought my 500d after your review almost 10 years ago
I rented this camera over the weekend to give it a test run. I'm a vlogger, so my needs are fairly basic. I love the 90D and will be purchasing asap. Great review as well, def worth the sub
This is a super no-nonsense review of the 90D which concentrates on the features most buyers will want to know about. Just how much can you cover in 28 mins? However, a big selling point for me was the in-camera focus stacking feature and I can say this works wonderfully well for both macro and landscape projects. Couple this with a bluetooth capability which links to a remote and you have a very powerful combination for macro photography. The capability works with all the Canon auto-focus lenses I own which is another great benefit. I should say the algorithm just acquires the images and one needs extra software to combine them but in my experience Photoshop does a great job.
Great review Gordon!
And I love the dig in Canons ribs with the single Sony memory card reveal!
This is just a great review focussing on the real life experience.
Gordon got a new subscriber!
Superb as always Gordon. I did think the Jpeg noise looked much worse at very high ISO's on the 90D examples. I think this is only to be expected though with smaller pixels. I doubt anyone would notice in real world use. The M6 mkII is my pick from the latest batch of Canon cameras.
If I hadn't bought the Lumix G9, I'd probably be happy with one of these and some third party lenses. One of my objectives in adopting M43 was to lose weight, 4K also became fairly important.
We have a 200D Mark II, so how about a 90D Mark II in 2022/2023?
BTW Does anyone use the powerzoom?
This is the end of DSLR’s for Canon. I wonder if it’s going to be the end of large body cameras all together with photo’s being taken by cell phones and iPads.
Thanks a lot for these in depth reviews of yours! Really appreciate your insight. I'm still surprised that the 90D still has autofocus issues with subjects like birds in flight.
9:38 - He’s dropping bombs! 😂
Great detailed review! I love it! Thank you! I found a great used 80D with good lenses so I think I go with that for my uses and in the future skip the 90D with a newer version of there is one or switch to a mirrorless. I don't want to switch makes to the superior Sony Mirrorless but maybe in 2-3 years Canon will step up there game to close the gap with Sony.
Glad you found it useful!
This is the best review I've seen yet. Very impressive. I was looking to buy the Canon 80D, but after watching this video I find myself longing for the 90D instead, but the $$ will certainly hurt more. Lol, Oh No!
Be carefull with the birds. 9:37 dropping bombs 😂😂
I have made similar comments on your videos before Gordon but here it is again. As usual you deliver an objective, no-nonsense review of the good and the bad within the context of practical use. Your reviews really are a model of what TH-cam reviews should be. With the 7D2 already in-hand your review has helped me rule out the 90D and saved me a lot of time and effort. Thank you.
You're welcome!
Should I buy the Canon 90D instead of the 80D to make films? Canon may have added 24 fps but there's still no all-i recording.
Haoto 葉音 - Anime on Piano which did you go with?
THE 24FPS FIRMWARE UPDATE IS OUT :D
Firmware changes:
Firmware Version 1.1.1 incorporates the following enhancements and fixes:
1. The option to capture both 4K and Full HD movies in the frame rate of 23.98p has been newly added.
2. Fixes an issue where error code "Err 01" may be displayed when using EF85mm F1.8 USM or EF100mm F2 USM lenses.
I guess what Canon is saying is, video anyway needs good battery so let's offer the DSLR as the better equipped one for video.
technically they could do an M5 mark2 with the EOS90D(and 1,5,6,7D,R and RP) battery
Thank you Gordon, it's literally the best review on 90D!
I need a crop DSLR for my needs, so what do you think which camera has better AF: Canon 90D or Nikon D500?
Thanks! I'm assuming you mean which has better AF through the viewfinder, as on the screen, the 90D is World's ahead! Through the viewfinder, the 90D is a lot more modern than the D500, but Nikon's tracking was very good even back then. I think I'd still go 90D overall, but the D500 is still very good.
Firmware is out as of 11/22/19 to do 24fps 4k.
As always, an excellent overview and review. Thanks for your efforts, Gordon. Very much appreciated! I've been looking for an upgrade for my old discontinued T1i. I think this may be the one. :)
[9:43] Thanks for the great review, I may have counted wrongly, but it seems that there are 65 (not 63) AF squares in the 7D mark II. Cheerz !~
Many thanks indeed for such a finely detailed review Gordon all the time and work you put into your reviews is very much appreciated. Kind regards Oliver
Thanks Oliver, you're very welcome!
Excellent and a comprehensive review as is your way Gordon. The thing that strikes me most as a 7D MkII user who shoots wildlife, I still think that there is a market for an upgrade to that camera which is geared towards stills photography, has a bigger buffer and might take advantage of the new 32 megapixel processor plus, that sort of user/owner is probably already on to L series lenses which is your point about maximising this new APS C processor.
In marketing terms and if Canon's predictions of the market bottoming out at around 5 million units a year globally are correct, something called "sector marketing" might come into play whereby instead of trying to design cameras that are "all things to all people", models are aimed at specific types of user. In this respect Canon is well placed to reuse tooling on many models by just changing in 'innards', it may not happen but I wouldn't be surprised to see post Christmas, a M50 MkII and a 7D MkIII.
However what is totally clear is that there is a very clear separation between stills and video, if video is your thing, mirrorless is by far the best way to go short of upgrading to serious and purpose built video cameras but then again, smartphones will probably suit most for that too ! Do you think when they are available, you might think about doing a comparative review on the Sigma M lens on both the 24mpx M5/6 and the 32mpx M6 MkII to the existing Canon M lens range, just a thought :)
Thanks! The camera you describe would be a 7D III, but who knows if they'll ever make one.
Hi Gordon and thanks for a very informative video.One thought though,rumors say the 90D has disturbing noice even at low ISO and if you look at your comparison at around 24.00 in the vid you can clearly see what folks are talking about,to me its a big differance in noice between the two.I know this is JPEG so should be very interesting to see if a good Raw converter can remove the noice.
The noise is fine it really is an awesome sensor in that camera. Canon have actually got their act together sensor wise and its gone past Sonys current apsc offerings. Dynamic range and general muck in the image are much improved. Have a look at Michael the maven's 90D sensor video. All the horrible magenta banding that has plagued Canon sensors when you push the shadows is gone. Ive just printed an A3 shot at 800 iso and theres no issue with noise. The people who framed it commented on its quality, asking me what camera I used.
10:00 - “birds in flight” 😂
One of the better reviews I've seen about this camera. Well done. However, I don't know if I'd still call the 90D a true successor over the 80D in video (it's clearly not a huge improvement for photos as you stated). Even though Canon is now unlocking 24p in a firmware patch, the only real benefit this camera has over the 80D is 4k, which for most probably isn't really necessary. No 24p was a problem at first, and now that's kinda fixed, but no All-I, which is more ideal for those looking to get into more professional work, gives more room for post work and redundancy against lost or corrupted frames. The 90D seems like it's been geared more towards mainly youtube. Just my opinion. Great video!
The used price of 7Dii has gone up slightly as there is no 7Diii on the horizon. I have been to a few camera clubs, meet ups, and course and the most popular own camera is 7Dii and most of the owners were waiting for the 7Diii not a 90D or M6 mkii !
Though the 90D is an improvement over the 80D I will not be buying one as I am 7Dii owner and shoot action, sports, wildlife , Airshows and if do portrait then any reasonable spec camera is good enough, including the 7Dii.
I am not sure what canons marketing strategy is as it seems to spiss canon user off more than inspire them to buy the new camera !
Looks like Canon does not really want current 80D users to upgrade, at least for me there is no compelling reason. Sticking with my 80D and perhaps spending my money on software like ProDad V4 makes more sense, and of course better glass. ... at least for now.
There are some benefits for 80D owners, like the higher res and better quality video, plus the return of the joystick, but the differences aren't huge.
I feel like a real luddite... I'm very much a traditional stills photographer (landscape/travel) and this camera is pretty much the bee's knees for me. I've been using a 5DIV for the last couple of years, and I've found that just too heavy and bulky, so that's gone and been replaced with this. I've already done one trip with it and I think it offers me everything I need. I thought the 5D would be my 'last camera' but that turned out to not be the case, but I have a feeling that this one will be. I like the resolution, the joystick, the flip-out screen, and (for what I use it for) the AF system. Finally my main lens is a Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4, and I've found that works well on this new body - I feel that it's good enough to give me more detail than on my previous APS-C camera, a 750D. I'm a satisfied buyer.
I rented the 90D last week and I was very disappointed in the AF system when trying to photograph flying birds (which is my passion) In fact, I thought it was pitiful. My old 7D mkii is my go to camera and I suspect will be for a long time. Now dont get me wrong, I'm not knocking the 90D, it has it's purpose, its just that it didnt serve my purpose.
It's your fault. The focus system on the 90d is great so you did something wrong
@@mmsmith3341 oh ok, where can I see some great in focus images of flying birds that you personally created? Thanks!
@@ScottPrincePhotography I don't do burd but I have done fast moving subjects
@@mmsmith3341 ok thanks. happy holidays
This is a far better camera for blogging than Nikon's Z50 this camera has better ergonomics it is just the right size to be used for a longer time. No worries about cramped hands also a perfect tilt and rotating screen for blogging no problems with it on a tripod or Gimbal. Why NIkon keep on using that outdated type of screen beggars belief.
I view you as a subscriber must have as yet again your review is the best out there and answers so many of the questions most camera folks would ask. As a Canon 7D ii user I totally share your view on the tragic omission of the 65 point 7d focus system , it's so annoying that Canon failed the community again with another "nearly" model when they could have competed far better with other makes. It does appear that Canon are investing more in the M range and R range so many users will wait another year or two instead of upgrading now. Hopefully more prime M lenses may appear to join the R roadmap of lenses rapidly emerging . Overall Gordon you have definitely earned another Coffee , keep them coming and thanks for your work .
Thanks Ken, and thanks for the coffee too, cheers!
Great video !! I like to watch your reviews. (I waited for this camera and I'm not sure I like the video quality. But this is a preliminary opinion, just from what I saw in the "processed" clips on TH-cam)
Your reviews are incredible
Can you add more reviews of equipment like lights., gimbals Microphones etcetera.
It takes me a solid 1-2 weeks to review one camera by which time I'm onto the next camera. So there's literally no time to do anything else.
Gordon, love your reviews - so thorough! But i have two questions/points. 1) Do you know if the eye AF you demonstrated will get a similar update that the EOS R got (distance, speed, etc). 2) I'd really like to see how/if the connectivity to a mobile device has improved since the 80D and its something rarely discussed in any review...however, I can see this functionality becoming more popular and useful in the future. For example, I've often downloaded photos from my 80D to preview for people on a slightly larger screen (instead of back of camera), as well as remote shooting. I can see it possibly getting to a point where full raw photos can be backed up directly on a connected device while shooting instead of messing with a second card. It'd be great to spend maybe a minute or two in future reviews on this functionality.
Great review Gordon, I’ve recently gone from a 70D mkl to this camera and is loving it so far, especially the 10 FPS!
It's a nice upgrade from that model...
Glad to read and hear this! I’m moving from a 70D to this body as we speak.
@@Mikegaryhouse it's a good upgrade from the 70D...
As always, the most comprehensive and valuable review, challenging the camera up to its limits in real situations. Thanks Gordon.
Thank you for the video Gordon!
Looks like a really nice camera. I’m waiting for the ISO test.
I couldn’t see that much difference from the jpegs between 80vs90d.
What would be your opinion of the 90d vs Olympus em1 ii, any suggestions?
Thank you in advance.
Very informative. But sometimes you talk way too fast, can’t always understand you.
Looks fan flipping mirror tastic!
Can you explain what you mean by cropped 4k? I understand cropping photos and i crop videos in iMovie to fill the frame more but I don’t understand this cropped 4k thing. Thanks
The crop simply means it only records a smaller portion of the frame, like you cut a smaller rectangle out from the whole view. Some cameras do this in high res video modes when their sensor and processors aren't fast enough. So basically your lens isn't as wide when filming 4k on this camera as it is when filming 1080 or taking photos. It looks a bit zoomed-in
wow that shutter noise seems downright... alot when you're used to mirrorless
and i did own the 80d at one point
Thanks for the review, Gordon! As usual, excellent again! Very comprehensive but geared towards actual use, and not static tests used.
Looking at the 90d, or for that matter any canon camera, suddenly, I am transported again into the Canon world of compromises. Or Canon may put in something great in it, but then take away something again. I've never felt that way when I switched to Sony for good about 2 years ago. I don't feel cheated or feeling wanting as in the canon days. This review, as well as the other excellent one you did for the Canon M6-2, brings back that frustration once again. I am glad I don't have to experience that anymore! :)
Now, about 2 days back, I wondered how much an 800d or 77D would cost. The 77D, according to one shop in our country has been discontinued already. But if I buy from abroad, I can get it for about U$600 body only. The 800d is around U$538 with kit lens. I wish there was a body only option, but there isn't.
The reason for this is, I still have some canon lenses that I will keep, but want to have a cheap but good camera to mount them in for good times sake. I still have my 20d, but that is pretty old and it's AF is poor and DR and other things falling way behind. The 90D is out of the question, so with the m6-2 for the price and a host of other things that you should me. Even after 3-5 years,when the price has gone down, the size and weight of the 90d will turn me off. The m6-2 will be nicer, though that too has it's own issues or limitations I have to contend with. Again, thanks to your reviews!
In the end, maybe, I'll just buy a cheap 800d for my last hurrah in the canon dslr. Not bad at U539 w/kit lens. I can still use my 50 f1.8 stm, 85 f1.8 usm (though I may sell that to make room for a sony/viltrox 85 f1.8), 70-200 f2.8L IS mk1, 18-135 stm, 10-22, and tamron 17-35 f2.8-4.0 di. The 800d/77d would make for a small and light camera, but not as crippled or weak as the sl2.
Anyway, most likely the 90d is the last of the dslr for the xxD line. I am in no rush to buy the 800d, so, I can probably wait 5 years and come back and re-evaluate things. If the price of the 80d is any indicator, in 5 years, the 90d could go down to U$600-650 body only. Thanks to this review, I can always go back here to refresh my memory as to what this camera can and cannot do. :)
Glad you found it useful!
Thank you! I've went from wanting the 7dii to the 90d and now I'm really considering the M6mrk2
Always happy to confuse people!
Great video , really detailed in my opinion , one of the best review on youtube on the 90d (and I do follow a lot of camera review channels ) , the 90d was a camera I was looking to buy , a pity about the not so good 4k (compared to Sony ) , but I do have a lot efs lenses ! .Thank you again
You're welcome!
why not just buy an adapter so you can use all your lenses on m6ii too ?
Dude seriously great review
From today onwards am your subscriber
Fantastic! The review that I was waiting for. My thoughts as a wild bird photographer now using an 80D & Canon primes, with centre point AF. Nice new sensor! My 80D shoots at only 7 frames/sec, but the buffer rarely fills up, whereas the buffer is now inadequate in the 90D if it fills in only 3.5sec for JPEGs. That will be annoying! The buffer cannot keep up with the frame rate. I find the 80D centre point AF adequate for birding & will rarely use the new joystick. Given also that the 45 point AF system is unchanged, I have no compelling reason to upgrade to the 90D. In fact the only improvements relevant to me are a small weight saving & a better resolution sensor. I think that the M6mkII (with improved autofocus) will be a bit small & unbalanced attached to a 400mm f4 DOII lens & I would also have to buy the accessory viewfinder. The 7DMKII has an old sensor that does not perform well in low light, under the canopy, where the birds often are. Here's hoping then that Canon will update the 7D MKII (please!) or make a larger bodied APS-C mirrorless camera. Thank you for your detailed and insightful reviews Gordon! GregHeath.net
You're very welcome! Yes, it does sound like the 90D isn't for you, although you may be surprised how easy it is to use a big lens with the M6 II, as you generally let it hang off the back and just support and steer with the lens.
I disagree that the 7DM2 does not perform well in low-light. It does as well as any APSC camera and it certainly beats the 80D at high ISO. It is the low-ISO shots where the older sensor on the 7DM2 is a disadvantage compared to the 80D/90D. Also, the buffer on the 90D, while not has good as that on the 7DM2, is not really inadequate, it is just not great. If you shoot in compressed raw, which you should because there is no reason not to, it does fine, as least as well as the 80D did. If you are a bird shooter, then you should find the spot AF useful for perched birds during migration, which is something the 80D had no answer for. The reason to go for a 90D is the significantly increased resolution (compared to the 7DM2) and the 10 fps. Yes, I wish it had the expansion modes of the 7DM2, as well as the 65-point AF system and the custom options, but this is a XXD body, not an XD body, so this is all to be expected. It is always best to do your own evaluation of any camera for the shooting you do yourself, rather than letting someone who does not specialized in your type of shooting have too much influence on your decisions. While I await a 7DM3 too, the 7DM2 combined with the 400 DOM2, is a compelling rig, still. But the 90D has something to offer if you want images that can be printed, because those pixels count. I would not replace a 7DM2 with a 90D unless I had no choice, but if you do macro photography along side bird photography then the 90D is a decent backup camera for birds while being a great primary camera for macro! Oh, too bad you don't use the joystick. You are missing out in many situations where you can create a better composition in camera. Not all good birds shots include flying birds and it is a mistake to focus only on that.
@@RogerZoul it's true that not all bird shots are in flight, but any AF system can focus on a static subject, so I wanted to show how effective it was with moving ones. Either way, I really do appreciate your comments and advice as I am not a specialist bird photographer - I just try to show as much as I can in my reviews for a broad overview.
@@cameralabs That is true Gordon. I sometimes do that with my 200D back-up camera!
This camera's sensor is on another planet compared to the 7d mkii. It wont focus track as well the 7d but if you mostly shoot static subjects the image quality is incredible. ( The 7d mkii is not a very sharp camera. ) Apart from more resolution there's much better dynamic range and there's no magenta muck and banding which has plagued Canon's sensors when they get pushed a bit. Its easily the best crop sensor there is now. This review is only dealing with in camera jpegs and doesnt deal with the full image quality this camera is capable of.
I brought a canon 90D recently and I still got my canon 80Ds 2 of them so I will see how well the 90D works for videos recordings
I'm so glad I found this video. That 4k cropped is better! I never would have thought that but boy does it make a difference!
Just watched this again....will have to buy you a coffee (again!) But what a dilemma...I have a 70d and shoot birds/wildlife with a Canon L 400 F 5.6 , love this lens..I also shoot landscape/long exposure plus a bit of macro...I am also delving into printing some of my images up to A3 size.. The R6 is out of my reach ... Dilemma! I would like better low light capability...I worry 90d will be a snazzier 70d...Should I consider used low shutter count 5d MK 3 or 5d MK4 ... or hang on for R6 if I can ever afford it!!... Sony A7iii is an option ... generally thought better than an EOS R.... but my old 400 is unlikely to work on the Sony....so perhaps stay with canon...your thoughts please..Thanks so much for the effort and time you take putting these videos together...really helpful..Pete
Too bad Canon didn't make it like the 7D mii with its built for the professional.weather sealed body and all the custom features, dual card slot,rear auto focus selection lever,No automatic brightness control for rear LCD screen,No ability to save and recall camera settings to or from a card.No timed manual exposure times longer than 30 seconds. You have to use Bulb, a remote release and an external timer instead.
No custom file names. All images are similar to IMG_0123.JPG or IMG_0123.CR3; you can't set them to 90D_0123 or FLS_0123 as I prefer.
On the 90D the Auto I.S.O
Does all sorts of crazy things if you use flash or any of the various SCENE modes. And many more things Canon should've put in the 90D for pros.
Although Canon made improvements from the 80D they would've sold me on one with all of the above added to the video capabilities,improved sensor digic 8,increased megapixels,Auto focus and video performance increase...so I passed on the 90D. Canon should've improved the 7D mii....7D miii would've been a great addition.
Too late in the game now....sad.
Great review!! So ANY chance for a 7D Mark iii???
Guess I'll be sticking with my 7dii for the time being then.
@Craig Willis Watch the review, if you need fast and reliable autofocus through the viewfinder, bigger buffer, two card slots, complete weather sealing, the 90D can't touch the 7D MKII for stills.
@Craig Willis What Boris Pradel said.
The auto focus only really has limitations in tough tracking situations like flying birds. If thats your main interest then this isnt your camera. But focusing in normal situations mine has been rock solid and the image quality absolutely blows my 7d mkii away. Canon have finally learned how to build a decent sensor.
Same here, will keep my 7DMK2 a bit longer as it is my all purpose camera, it has dipped in the waters of the Atlantic with an Canon 24-70mm f2,8 and keeps on working, endured sand and snow, summer temps of 40C and spend entire days outdoors at -25C~ -29C in Canadian winters, done outdoor event photography (concerts, school plays, etc) and sporting events (soccer, hockey, cross-country at the rain, etc) with thousands of pictures a week. And it is still going, just feels like that famous bunny on TV that keeps on going and going.
Buffer in Raw and JPG is amazing, AF for BiF is very good considering that the thousands of pictures taken over the last 5 years, wonder if I’ve gone over the 150K mark.
I do not do vlogging so that feature is not important for me nor videos.
Awesome review, and 11 years of reviews! very impressive :) thank you for uploading, very useful information! I also recently found Canon Live Chat helpful for some custom controls in my older model. Thanks again for uploading :)
You're welcome, I've actually been on TH-cam for 14 years!
The 90d has a motion tracking autofocus through the display screen. Touch the object on the screen and the camera will track the motion.
would this be a significant upgrade from a canon sl2 (200d)? or not so much to justify the price?
Gordon Laing's 'D90' Review th-cam.com/video/0hRTyE8FePY/w-d-xo.html (11 years ago)
LMAO that M6 II is ugly as hell. Would NEVER waste my money on that M6 II
First time here looking at getting either a 70D mark 2 or this 90D this review really helped cheers
the Nikon D7500 which will be the coset Nikon to the 90D has been degraded down to 1 card slot
If I do sports or nature photography the Nikon D500 seems more reliable.
Great comprehensive review, as usual, Gordon. You always do a first class job.
Just curious, did you tweak the AF "custom functions" on the 90D for birds in flight? When I bought my 80D it was inadequate with out-of-the-box AF settings, but after tweaking it's 16 custom functions relating to AF, I achieved great success when using 9pt zone, 15pt zone or even letting the camera track with all 45 points (with a relatively plain background, such as the sky). As long as I'm smooth at panning and the bird is not jumping all over the place in my viewfinder, I get decent bursts of sharp images. One of the critical settings was one which delays refocusing if the camera loses the subject momentarily. It works so well that I've panned with joggers and cyclists and never missed a shot (in terms of focus) while they disappeared and reappeared from behind trees, power boxes, groups of people, etc. The camera pauses momentarily as they disappear and then continues tracking when they reappear.
The M50 is actually better though. I bought that purely for street photography, but tried it for birds in flight and was shocked how good it is.
Thanks! I did some minor tweaking, but nothing major. But basically anything you can achieve with the 80D is the same here, but I wouldn't describe the 90D as better through the viewfinder.
What lenses do you shoot birds in flight with on the M50? As far as I know, there is no native M mount glass, and adapting makes the af go to crap. Not the case?
@@youknowwho9247 there are no native big telephotos, but the M6 II adapted EF lenses well and focused them better in my tests than the 90D did. Check out my M6 II review.
I tried my M50 for bird photography and running subjects and the AF wasn't great in my shots. Which AF would you use with the M50 to get the best results in burst mode?
@@youknowwho9247I use the EF-s 55-250mm STM lens, which focuses very quickly, is sharp and near silent. Keep in mind you will get a 400mm equivalent reach on the M50 and this is a super-lightweight lens which balances really well with the camera. As for AF, no way! There is no difference at all between using adapted lenses or native lenses. One lens can vary from the next (with or without using an adapter), but the focusing system works equally well. The 55-250 focuses very well. I am not a bird photographer per se, I just do some BIF photography for fun and to improve my overall panning and focusing skills.
As a little exposure tip which I learnt over 30 years ago - in tricky lighting situations, if your subject is in direct light (any subject, including birds) then meter off a patch of grass which the same light falls upon. This is often easier than trying to adjust exposure while tracing the bird in your viewfinder.
Nice throwback with the 50D. I have been watching since around that time.
Thanks!
24p firmware update coming soon
I like to get one of these canon cameras one day and I got 2 canon 80Ds cameras and 6 canon lenses
i think only high end dslr cameras will continue to exist and these only for a few more years
Your review was Great, Just one Question how did you get that yellow stripe on lens saying 'CAN18135USM-04' ?
Most of the products I test are loan samples from a rental agency - that was one of their stickers.
@@cameralabs :D thank you for replying.
Thanks for the thorough review, Gordon. I'm mostly a still photographer of young kids inside and outside playing and am thinking about upgrading my original 7D because I'd like to boost my resolution, low light performance, and dynamic range compared to my current sensor. I've been watching your reviews of the current Canon lineup (7D MII, 90D or switching up to the full frames R or 5D MIV) and while I was really hoping that the 90D would be THE solution I was looking for, I still find myself wondering if I'll consider it a worthy update. I don't currently shoot much video, but I'm now in a job that would occasionally have me shooting 4K of nature. I feel like I'm left wondering if I should make the switch now or wait another year to see what the next iteration of Canon has in mirrorless (not interested in reinvesting in glass at the moment). Just seems like a challenging time to make an update. As a user of all, happen to have a clear favourite?
When you said 7D II, did you mean M6 II? it's definitely worth a look...
Thanks for the opinion and the quality review!
*I'll buy one when it has Twin SD Card Slots.*
Looks good, but I think I will go with the Nikon D500.
For 4k video recording, what bit rate options are available? 60 and 100 MB options?
Check Canon's website for full specs
Long time Nikon user but wanted this camera , Really nice aps c. Camera ,
I’ve only shot a few images so far , but like the overall experience , FAST !!!
Solid body too !!! It’s fairly comparable to the D7500 Nikon , which I own …
But slightly better / newer .
But you didn't made mention of 7d mark ii through out
You should demand a refund
@@cameralabs from who
@@endowpictures22 from the person you paid for the review, oh, hang on...
Why nobody is talking about the all-I codec this camera is lacking that the 80d have?
I get more pictures out my 90D then 10 6:33 37 with iso at 250. But I guess I am using a high end card uhs Ii.
It may also be the type of photos, as the subject and image complexity with affect the file size, and therefore how quickly the buffer fills. If you mean 37fps, then that'll be with the electronic shutter which is with the screen only. When I was talking 10fps, that's with the viewfinder and has to use a mechanical shutter.
Best review to date for the Canon 90D. Nice work :)
Thanks!
I want a cam to shoot sports photography (downhill mtb) as a hobby. Also some filming. Important for me is mainly a good AF and somewhat good low light. I did of course fall in love with the sony a7 iii but it's out of my budget unfortunately 😕 Would the 90D be something for me? Or rather a sony a6400? Any other suggestions?
I just picked this up for $700. I've watched your videos before purchasing my T3i, 50D,60D,77D,80D,5D Miii and now the 90D. Great body of work, I appreciate your vdeos!
You're welcome!
touch screen no go while covering ground war in ukraine.
I have had mine for two weeks or more and love it now. Beginning had issues but just the settings now we rock. I have the 80D plus 7D MK II. 80D is the wife's and I will sell my 7D MK II now
removing ALL-I compression, canon just cant help handicapping their cameras and when they don't they they charge an arm and a leg for the camera. i'll stick with my 70D.
Most informative review of the 90D 👍
My first Canon was first film Rebel.
My second one was the first DSLR Rebel at only 8mp. I still have it.
Tomorrow I pick up my third Canon, the 90D.
Need less to say, this will be a big upgrade for me.
I am hoping the two Canon lenses I have will work on the 90D. One is a ef35-80, and the other is a ef75-300.
Sorry if I missed it, but what's the point of cropping for the 4k mode?
It gives you more reach at the telephoto end and in the case of some cameras, including the 90D, the quality looks better than the uncropped footage due to the way the scaling and processing works.
which one is the best camera EOS M6 Mark II (EF-M15-45mm f3.5-6.3 IS STM) VS EOS 90D (EF-S18-55mm f/4-5.6 IS STM) VS EOS 80D Kit II (EF-S18-135 IS USM)
I think that I'll stick with my 80D. And my old Workhorse, the 7D Mark II. Which I love to death! Not only is it a good all around camera of mind, but it's a surprising weapon to those not aware of the weight, Especially with a 70-200mm F2/8 L lens on it. "Feels good in the hands." And heavy on the head! Ha!