@njerikiarie8928, you are looking at Uganda from the outside. Your view is highly influenced by Western rhetoric and media. What you don't get is that we actually like what we have here. Our country is not in any form of crisis. While H.E President Museveni has his weaknesses, he is to a larger extent a great leader. A man of the people and a celebrated pan-Africanist.
As a Kenyan *I have listened to this whole panel and the only man who has spoken sense is that young man called Yusuf.* Now I see why 1USD is 3,690Ugsh and no one has anything to do about it, I only need 270$ to be a millionaire...do the maths. You guys need 200 years to wake up. Congrats Yusuf, you make Uganda proud!
Watching from kenya and am glad to here a ugandan speaking in such a manner. Well done Yusuf you did your assignments well on the political researching. Keep it up and spread the gospel. Teach people like Mwenda something on the same. Kudos bro much love 💯🎉🎉🎉🎉♥️
We as Kenya are proud of Ruto. My Ugandans brothers you are missing a point. In Uganda Museveni is more of Your king and you have allowed him Long to do as he wishes. Ruto is just a leader and we are ready to remind him if we think he has forgotten. So Kenya is for all Kenyas. But you Ugandans have allowed Museveni to sit on you as his own property. So Ruto is a hero for backing down. That is not weakness but strength sometimes you have to listen to your brother.
Mr. Mwenda should read the Kenya's constitution. Article 1 is the guideline, the power belongs to the people. They can exercise it through elected representatives or withdraw the donated power and exercise directly. The power belongs to the people
This is extremely unsettling.If this is the general mentality of leaders in Uganda,then it will take ages,sweat,tears and blood for our great brothers and sisters of Uganda to have the freedoms we have here in Kenya,no matter how imperfect it is.
By the way we are not so much interested in freedoms as you put it. What I would care about as a Ugandan is development. The issue we have is too much corruption that we should decisively fight.
I met, as a European tourist, an Iranian engineer in Mombasa in 2012. He was travelling East Africa and just arrived from Uganda. He termed it as “the most corrupt country” he ever visited.
@@EdgarMuhebwa Freedom is life. Without it, you will never question that corruption you talk about. You will be eaten up, and you silently suffer through it
No wonder Museveni is bringing his son to take over the leadership in Uganda. My fellow Ugandans you have let me down. Leadership is not a preserve of one family. I wish Oyete Ojok was alive to help liberate Ugandans. Museveni must GO!
@@tottentstarpaulin6502 >>> shida ya mfumo wa elimu ya ukoloni. "I went down south and managed to save a 1000 slaves, I would have saved 1000 more if they knew they were slaves. If you Ugandans new that Lake Nalubale was renamed lake Victoria by their colonizer they wouldn't be calling it lake Victoria." Tafadhali badilisha mfumo wa elimu ya Uganda ili vijana wetu wafahamu fike kwamba tulikuwa na falme za Buganda na Bunyoro-Kitara kabla ujio wa wazungu.
@@neggohe What do you apart from Museven? You don't have even experience about retired president.. shallow minded .our budget is 13kenyan trillion.. yours is 3kenya trilion
@@neggoheyour statement is confused like you mama..cause being handed and those who fought for us were they foreigners??😢😅😅 ABSOLUTELY NOT it's our forefathers whom same are alive live my grandpa who fought and us fighting NOW so yeah Kenya it's ours fought by our own people for the people
After watching this as a Kenyan, i can see why Uganda's leadership has managed to limit it's citizen's brilliant potential. Your country has many brilliant and educated individuals, as shown by those in this panel, and many who I have met. But unfortunately most of them have been brainwashed to believe that they shouldn't ask for better. Look into Kenya's history under President Moi and you will see a few similarities
@@bradleylibese5742 Each country is best suited to know it's potential. Uganda knows better in it's historical context why they stick with the person they have for now. Kenyans deal with your issues as Ugandans deal with theirs. It's quite presumptuous for one country to purport to cry more for another over its issues.
Uganda is where Kenya were in the 90s. They think that M7 is a genius for how he handles politics. They clearly have no idea who Moi was. Once M7 leaves you will see the same things happening.
Président Ruto has showed wisdom by listening to the voice of his countrymen. These were not riots but demonstrations. The reasoning of these gentlemen is alarming. Many ugandans think that all should be solved by force. Peaceful political demonstrations are almost non existent in Uganda. It is a pity. But instilling fear in people does not solve the problems. Congratulations to the Kenyan people.
The last younger guy here makes a lot of sense,he is uptodate to matters democracy.To achieve democracy is costly and you must pay the price.Ugandans have become complacent and fear for Museveni is real.
I am Kenyan and can confirm that Andrew Mwenda does not understand Kenyan politics. If Zakayo did not yield to public pressure, the members of parliament would have turned against him for self-preservation at some point anyway. This would have been worse for him than seeming weak and angering the britonwood institutions. 21:03 Finally on behalf of my compatriots, we regret the fire on Uganda house by our police and goons hired by politicians to disrupt the demonstrations
He is Very excited to speak, he doesn’t know… how Kenyan govt handling of the 2023 bill and ignoring of the people’s voices during public participation influenced the demonstrations
Indeed, Andrew is not aware that the violence and destruction of property was state-sponsored and not an action of Gen Z. He cannot therefore claim that Ruto has yielded to the violence and destruction of property caused by Gen Z. He has just yielded to his own failures.
It's not that he doesn't understand start Kenyan politics bt that is what we call Musevenism. Everyone that support m7 and his govt has that kind of rigid mindset. They only think with guns and its either their way or no way at all.
I guess Kenyan politics is different from Ugandan. I don’t know how you would have held your ground- people were dying! Vulnerability is not a weakness
@cathyatis8991 here is the thing, unlike the old constitution where the president was all powerful, with the current constitution, Zakayo is not as powerful as he would hope. He needs MPs to be on his side to push his agenda. MPs on the other hand are more interested in re-election than anything else. The protests were targeted at the MPs. The protests were peaceful and the violence/destruction of property was done by state actors. If you were following closely, you would have noted that everyone was against the bill.
Actually yeah... For the first time i just feel am okay with Mr. Ruto... Lkn ruto akumbuke kesho ni Thursday and Thursday is a #rutomustgothursday asikuwe comfortable
James USA nashville from mbarara, I love listening to you guys ,in Africa we need to support small industries and factories already existing to multiply,and creat more industries based on law materials we have, in order to reduce un employment in Africa and that creates more taxes but if you tax un employed population it creates burden.
I am Kenyan but I think you guys are used to Museveni's type of governance and dictatorship to an extent that when you see democratic rights being exercised elsewhere, you think it is weird. The last speaker understands politics. The Andrew Mwenda guy is clueless on matters of Kenyan politics. Here we have the freedoms that Uganda lacks. In Kenya, you can get a loudspeaker, go to the top of the building and insult the President and the entire government officials all you want, and go home peacefully but I doubt if you can do that in Uganda.
Even when you tell most Ugandans that Museveni is a dictator, they don't see how, and they get offended. Praising these kind of leaders paints a picture of a people who still have a long way to go, honestly.
I expected (a minister) like Baryomunsi to understand that… the rejection of the 2024 financial bill doesn’t mean Kenya stops collecting taxes. It means the country moves on with the 2023 financial act… which is capable of raising taxes that can pay the debts, and enough left to run government if the money is managed well.
Real fools are those who conceive democracy in westerncentric spectacles. That the rate of change of presidency through electoral process is perfect measure of democracy. If they were so why is it that there are more hungry and poor people in Kenya than Uganda? Why after all the changes in presidency are Kenyans going on streets? Why more slums and homeless more in Kenya than Uganda? Why larger proportion of Kenyan population is constantly on World food programme!?
Indeed from these guys' opinion you learn a little understanding about democracy in Uganda and how they carry on with their leadership.....Conceding by Ruto is the most important thing the security in kenya don't operate same as uganda..The problem ruto was applying dictatorial mindset which in kenya was only applicable in 1990's but at the same old days the Odingo, orengo could still demonstrate this error is not bulldozing but its for inclusivity......
If what I am hearing in this conversation is the general feeling of Ugandans, they will forever be in dictatorship. I am amazed at Mwenda's thought lines.
The likes of Andrew Mwenda only pick points to discuss which benefit them, not looking at the big picture of the issues that affect or benefit the whole
I am surprised by the shift to make Uganda a victim of the riots in Kenya. The correlation they are seeing is spurious and not of a direct attack on Ugandan infrastructure. Kenyans love Ugandans and the Gen Z were peaceful in the 3 weeks demonstrations. The infrastructure and property destroyed was done by goons paid by politicians. I challenge the facts provided by some of your panellists who are serving in the Ugandan government, they are biased in opinion Secondly, the panellists are living in the past. Constitutionally the power belongs to the people. The government was put in place to serve the interests of the people and not of foreign puppets. When government goes rogue, the people are allowed to take back power they delegated. Third, Kenya has a progressive constitution. we are not using a colonial constitution. Kenya knows its problems. And the Kenyan populace have a solution to their problems. Uganda can only take lessons as it is, they can't advise. Uganda lives in a glass house, they can't afford to throw stones.
You know one who driving using his mouth zzzzzzz, doesn't knock. Kenyans have never been peaceful nor democratic. They are sways sitting on a time bomb. How many people died during Ochuka's alleged take over of Moi's govt, how about during the political wars between auto,uhuru and raila. It always happens within a few hours or days. Suppose it stayed on for months and years like ither nations, kenya could be empty. One day Kenyans will appreciate Uganda's quietness to these 40 years. We know where we have come from. We are not a democracy neither a dictatorship, we are just enjoying our peace. What the riotous are destroying, they are going to pay for it thru more taxes; the worst is yet to come.
Baryomunsi may not be right. Minister does not have to be a member of parliament to be able to follow discussions in parliament. They should be attending as ex-officio members. Uganda does not have better laws or tax regime. Kenya is just unique. They are brave, courageous and more democratic.
If these are the kind of discussions that go on in Uganda, then they have a looooong way to go . Very long. In Kenya, power belongs to the people, and they can exercise it directly (the way they did recently) or indirectly (through elected representative). Whatever is being discussed here doesn't apply to Kenya. We have a working constitution.
As a Kenyan listening to your debaters, it's just funny. The President has full control, it was just that the whole people had issues with the Finance bill. Then on the issue of Ministers, in our old constitution we could select MPs to be ministers. In the new 2010 constitution, it doesn't have such. No need to have a minister as mp.
You being an MP and a minister has not helped Ugandans in any way positive but rather we are suffering with maintaining you in living luxury life you people live.
Andrew Mwenda is applying the Ugandan constitution to Kenya. In Kenya, power is with the people. At. 1. Not elected representatives. Even after elections. The people can exercise that power directly and that is what we did.
That guy in spects needs to be greeted and be taught more about Kenyan constitution...... we're privileged even q kindergarten child knows power belongs to the people......
But I think Mwenda is right about strategic mistake to withdraw the bill, he opened the door for more realistic and unrealistic demands, the opposition will definitely jump on the waggon to try and distablize the government. The President can't please them now!!
It is sad that these gentlemen are not independent thinkers. You can feel and see Museveni behind their argument apart from the gentleman on the left wearing glasses.
Let me educate Ugandans over the protests in Kenya led by young people. The recent demonstrations in Kenya have been primarily triggered by public outcry against the proposed Finance Bill 2024. The bill includes significant tax hikes, which many Kenyans READ and argued, will exacerbate the already high cost of living. Specifically, the bill proposes taxes on essential items such as bread, electronics, and cooking oil, which has led to widespread discontent among the populace. Additionally, the government's push to increase taxes is driven by a need to raise revenue to manage the country's substantial external debt, which stands at about 68% of Kenya's GDP. This has sparked further anger as many citizens feel the government is prioritizing debt repayment over their economic welfare. However, the SIGNIFICANT concern was and is the government's mismanagement of public funds (some of which are borrowed then mismanaged) and corruption (some of which are budgeted). For instance, the funds are being misallocated, then the tax burden disproportionately imposed on the poor and middle class. To note, the demonstrations spread across major cities and towns, reflecting deep-seated frustration with the current administration's policies and transcending tribal, ignorance, and class politics which have historically undermined African development, pushing it to poverty. In short, we young Kenyans (are learned) and have read and understood OUR Constitution (especially Article 1: All POWER is FOR, and By the People... and SHALL BE EXERCISED ONLY according to the WILL of the PEOPLE). Therefore, we CANNOT sit back, ignorant of the FACT that public officials use taxes to enrich themselves (some of which, with borrowed money), then impose ADDITIONAL TAXES to pay the debt. We will use ALL the NECCESSAY MEANS to restore OUR BELOVED KENYA back on the right track. UG and AFRICAN youths should learn.
I agree with Ggoobi but disagree with the reason. It is not about tax regime. The difference is Kenyans are very brave and daring something Ugandans lack. True we should not compare but on different grounds.
In Kenya, All sovereign power belongs to the people and not the president and can be exercised directly or may be exercised thru representatives. What we did as Kenyans after our representatives betrayed us, is we took back our sovereign power and exercised it directly. Simple to you Ugandan people. 😂. That phrase ends all your debates.
Am Kenyan, i am disappointed listening. If this are the kind of leaders you have , thinking that citizens can not exercise their Power directly, when system are not working, then you have a long way to go
Much respect to Semuju and Yusuf the rest are just a bunch of self interest asinines who clearly have no interest in addressing the root course of the financial bill i would recommend Ugandans to watch the recent interview of Jimmy Wanjigi on AB TV.
Mwenda is 2 decades behind in his thinking. Ruto is not an enemy to anyone and no one is fighting Ruto. It is all about accountability and good governance. We are not rioting, we are demonstrating.
I felt pain while watching this.. I mean, the kind of politics Mwenda is speaking is decades back. I felt like slapping him, and telling him to shut up.. 🤬
Mr Mwenda President Ruto was elected by the same people who were protesting, so he is supposed to serve the Kenyans and not chest thumbs. Don't you ever call Kenyans protesting mobs please. Respect yourself
Mr opondo is a very wise guy,ican see some purpets frm the debate,he speaks his mind and the truth.Kenya we love u bro, but to uganda gov ur goose is cooking
i'm utterly shocked! he's mentioning enemy, military, enemy battles, weakness, etc. i thought he was joking at first. Even Afghanistan Taliban doesn't call Afghans the enemy lol
Mwenda how things work in Uganda is not how they do in Kenya.Our constitutions are different like day and night. If Zakayo did not yield, on Thursday he protestors would have occupied the Statehouse. Our youth unlike those in Uganda do not fear to die! However, I agree with you Zakayo is poor decision maker.
You don't know more about our country Kenya; In Uganda Money is for the government whereas in Kenya we say "our money" Then in Kenya power belongs to the people The parliament belongs to the people We're allowed to dictate how you gonna lead us coz power belongs to the people and. Our leaders are our employees
If these are the kind of People advicing Ugandans. Then You a have long way to Go. This political Analysed, is a sycophan of the Ugandan political System. Tell him demostration in kenya is one of our Constitutional Right. It is our way of expressing our point to Government.
The atitude of meenda explains y the demonstrations in ug end in total lose of lives,that's how they advise, remember you can't fight the will of the people forever
Ugandans may have a good understanding of Kenyans. As Andrew Mwenda please note that democracy does not demonstrate weakness;ruto can decide to bring in the army and shoot poeple in the streets this is a dictator's mindset to think so. Just as Museveni uses force, the power of the people is stronger than the president. In Kenya, the idea of shooting demonstrators will not be accepted, which aligns with the thinking that Uganda believes should be adopted in Kenya. 😮😮😮😮😮
Kenya belongs to Kenyan people and ruto must GO.....ruto can try to be museveni or kagame ..but this is Kenya...where blood is shed when we want decision made
This conversation illustrates the kind of thinking that keeps Uganda in a perpetual dictatorship
@njerikiarie8928, you are looking at Uganda from the outside. Your view is highly influenced by Western rhetoric and media. What you don't get is that we actually like what we have here. Our country is not in any form of crisis. While H.E President Museveni has his weaknesses, he is to a larger extent a great leader. A man of the people and a celebrated pan-Africanist.
@@ajenajafaryou are stupid
Honestly it was frustrating to watch.
Why do some Kenyans cry more about Uganda's political affairs than Ugandans?
@@munguci12continue serving your past, present and future president 😢. UG is a big joke led by a brutal dynasty.
Am from Kenya I think Ugandans have a long way to go if this are types of leaders you have
This guy at 38:00 is based though. He's the only rational person in this whole discussion.
These guys are pathetic. Can't believe what I'm hearing.
But they have oil their economy is going to change drastically
@@BonnieKim-pr1zi Question is for who? THINK!
Maaan they think like grandparents
As a Kenyan *I have listened to this whole panel and the only man who has spoken sense is that young man called Yusuf.* Now I see why 1USD is 3,690Ugsh and no one has anything to do about it, I only need 270$ to be a millionaire...do the maths. You guys need 200 years to wake up. Congrats Yusuf, you make Uganda proud!
Watching from kenya and am glad to here a ugandan speaking in such a manner. Well done Yusuf you did your assignments well on the political researching. Keep it up and spread the gospel. Teach people like Mwenda something on the same. Kudos bro much love 💯🎉🎉🎉🎉♥️
We as Kenya are proud of Ruto.
My Ugandans brothers you are missing a point.
In Uganda Museveni is more of
Your king and you have allowed him Long to do as he wishes. Ruto is just a leader and we are ready to remind him if we think he has forgotten.
So Kenya is for all Kenyas. But you Ugandans have allowed Museveni to sit on you as his own property.
So Ruto is a hero for backing down. That is not weakness but strength sometimes you have to listen to your brother.
Smart guy this Hon Ssemujju. Truthful.
Asante sana.
Yusuf has a grip on some sound understanding of what democracy means. Kudos Yusuf! Citizens donate power to their elected leaders not vice versa.
Mr. Mwenda should read the Kenya's constitution.
Article 1 is the guideline, the power belongs to the people. They can exercise it through elected representatives or withdraw the donated power and exercise directly.
The power belongs to the people
This is extremely unsettling.If this is the general mentality of leaders in Uganda,then it will take ages,sweat,tears and blood for our great brothers and sisters of Uganda to have the freedoms we have here in Kenya,no matter how imperfect it is.
By the way we are not so much interested in freedoms as you put it. What I would care about as a Ugandan is development. The issue we have is too much corruption that we should decisively fight.
I met, as a European tourist, an Iranian engineer in Mombasa in 2012.
He was travelling East Africa and just arrived from Uganda. He termed it as “the most corrupt country” he ever visited.
@@EdgarMuhebwa Freedom is life. Without it, you will never question that corruption you talk about.
You will be eaten up, and you silently suffer through it
Don't worry UG. we will help you bring democracy to your country.
No wonder Museveni is bringing his son to take over the leadership in Uganda. My fellow Ugandans you have let me down. Leadership is not a preserve of one family. I wish Oyete Ojok was alive to help liberate Ugandans. Museveni must GO!
@@afrakanaswahilitv5520 Uganda is already liberated and soon or later Ugandan politics will be the best in East Africa.
@@tottentstarpaulin6502 >>> shida ya mfumo wa elimu ya ukoloni. "I went down south and managed to save a 1000 slaves, I would have saved 1000 more if they knew they were slaves. If you Ugandans new that Lake Nalubale was renamed lake Victoria by their colonizer they wouldn't be calling it lake Victoria." Tafadhali badilisha mfumo wa elimu ya Uganda ili vijana wetu wafahamu fike kwamba tulikuwa na falme za Buganda na Bunyoro-Kitara kabla ujio wa wazungu.
In Kenya, we are democratic! POWER BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE!!!
Kenya belongs to Kenyans while Uganda belongs to museveni. We cannot compare buana. After we finish with ruto we shall be coming for museveni. Viva!
Kenya has never belonged to you!!!! 😂😢😅 Everything you have was handed to you while we bled for ours!!
😂😂😂😂❤🎉
@@neggohe
What do you apart from Museven?
You don't have even experience about retired president.. shallow minded .our budget is 13kenyan trillion.. yours is 3kenya trilion
@@neggoheyour statement is confused like you mama..cause being handed and those who fought for us were they foreigners??😢😅😅 ABSOLUTELY NOT it's our forefathers whom same are alive live my grandpa who fought and us fighting NOW so yeah Kenya it's ours fought by our own people for the people
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Weeeeeuuwe.... Saaaawa
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After watching this as a Kenyan, i can see why Uganda's leadership has managed to limit it's citizen's brilliant potential.
Your country has many brilliant and educated individuals, as shown by those in this panel, and many who I have met. But unfortunately most of them have been brainwashed to believe that they shouldn't ask for better. Look into Kenya's history under President Moi and you will see a few similarities
Does that make majority of Kenyans' daily life any better than Uganda?
@@munguci12 Each country has its challenges. It's not about who is better, but more about each country realizing its potential.
@@bradleylibese5742 Each country is best suited to know it's potential. Uganda knows better in it's historical context why they stick with the person they have for now. Kenyans deal with your issues as Ugandans deal with theirs. It's quite presumptuous for one country to purport to cry more for another over its issues.
Uganda is where Kenya were in the 90s. They think that M7 is a genius for how he handles politics. They clearly have no idea who Moi was. Once M7 leaves you will see the same things happening.
@@munguci12No Uganda issues were mentioned just the mindset.
Président Ruto has showed wisdom by listening to the voice of his countrymen. These were not riots but demonstrations. The reasoning of these gentlemen is alarming. Many ugandans think that all should be solved by force. Peaceful political demonstrations are almost non existent in Uganda. It is a pity. But instilling fear in people does not solve the problems. Congratulations to the Kenyan people.
The last younger guy here makes a lot of sense,he is uptodate to matters democracy.To achieve democracy is costly and you must pay the price.Ugandans have become complacent and fear for Museveni is real.
Very good example (Ssemuju and Mpuga) by Mr. Ofono Opondo.
That was a bold accusation, which needs to be had
I am Kenyan and can confirm that Andrew Mwenda does not understand Kenyan politics.
If Zakayo did not yield to public pressure, the members of parliament would have turned against him for self-preservation at some point anyway. This would have been worse for him than seeming weak and angering the britonwood institutions. 21:03
Finally on behalf of my compatriots, we regret the fire on Uganda house by our police and goons hired by politicians to disrupt the demonstrations
He is Very excited to speak, he doesn’t know… how Kenyan govt handling of the 2023 bill and ignoring of the people’s voices during public participation influenced the demonstrations
Indeed, Andrew is not aware that the violence and destruction of property was state-sponsored and not an action of Gen Z. He cannot therefore claim that Ruto has yielded to the violence and destruction of property caused by Gen Z. He has just yielded to his own failures.
It's not that he doesn't understand start Kenyan politics bt that is what we call Musevenism. Everyone that support m7 and his govt has that kind of rigid mindset. They only think with guns and its either their way or no way at all.
I guess Kenyan politics is different from Ugandan. I don’t know how you would have held your ground- people were dying! Vulnerability is not a weakness
@cathyatis8991 here is the thing, unlike the old constitution where the president was all powerful, with the current constitution, Zakayo is not as powerful as he would hope. He needs MPs to be on his side to push his agenda. MPs on the other hand are more interested in re-election than anything else.
The protests were targeted at the MPs. The protests were peaceful and the violence/destruction of property was done by state actors. If you were following closely, you would have noted that everyone was against the bill.
You should invite a Kenyan to such discussion
Exactly
Actually yeah... For the first time i just feel am okay with Mr. Ruto...
Lkn ruto akumbuke kesho ni Thursday and Thursday is a #rutomustgothursday asikuwe comfortable
Kenya belongs to the Kenyan people not William ruto
Being a kenyan .. power belongs to us according to our constitution..i salute the young guy seems to understand
Andrew Mwenda. We shall greet you when you come Kenya.
Mpe pia salamu zangu mingi🤕🔥🌹🤣.asalimiwe
James USA nashville from mbarara, I love listening to you guys ,in Africa we need to support small industries and factories already existing to multiply,and creat more industries based on law materials we have, in order to reduce un employment in Africa and that creates more taxes but if you tax un employed population it creates burden.
Kudos Yusuf... You're a Gen z
thank you Yusuf...its called democracy
I am Kenyan but I think you guys are used to Museveni's type of governance and dictatorship to an extent that when you see democratic rights being exercised elsewhere, you think it is weird. The last speaker understands politics. The Andrew Mwenda guy is clueless on matters of Kenyan politics. Here we have the freedoms that Uganda lacks. In Kenya, you can get a loudspeaker, go to the top of the building and insult the President and the entire government officials all you want, and go home peacefully but I doubt if you can do that in Uganda.
We will one day invite these brothers from uganda to come and just watch how things are done.
Ruto is already down and done.
You are right. In Uganda you do that you are likely to get arrested
@@skywxlfe not arrested but even get killed
"Why are you rioting?"
"Who says I'm rioting."
................." You are rioting"
"So who is rioting?"
listening from Kenya...the Uganda house was torched by police who lobbed teargas which hit some inflammable object
The guy in spects!!! if this is how people in suits think in UG... you have a long way to go
I think he's military or sth. . he does reason like one!
Oh, and I'm made to understand that he's called Mwenda-wazimu 😅
Even when you tell most Ugandans that Museveni is a dictator, they don't see how, and they get offended. Praising these kind of leaders paints a picture of a people who still have a long way to go, honestly.
Hehe! Uganda, Weh! So these are the leaders from that side 😂. I respect your views 😂😂😂
hehehe interview yenyewe inabore wueeh i give up😂😂😂😂
I expected (a minister) like Baryomunsi to understand that… the rejection of the 2024 financial bill doesn’t mean Kenya stops collecting taxes. It means the country moves on with the 2023 financial act… which is capable of raising taxes that can pay the debts, and enough left to run government if the money is managed well.
and for some reason you think the man you talking bout knows that much?
When you don't understand, listen again. Baryomunsi was as clear as a Jewish priest.
@@kasulebriankalule2129 ok
This last man..young man with specs knows something..this is our man bring him..our democracy is in different level
Yusuf…the man of the hour!
No wonder Museveni will win forever these fools. Only one guy is sober in the group
Real fools are those who conceive democracy in westerncentric spectacles. That the rate of change of presidency through electoral process is perfect measure of democracy. If they were so why is it that there are more hungry and poor people in Kenya than Uganda? Why after all the changes in presidency are Kenyans going on streets? Why more slums and homeless more in Kenya than Uganda? Why larger proportion of Kenyan population is constantly on World food programme!?
president ruto demonstrated respect to the law
in Kenya it's real government system with active judiciary and parliament and executive
Indeed from these guys' opinion you learn a little understanding about democracy in Uganda and how they carry on with their leadership.....Conceding by Ruto is the most important thing the security in kenya don't operate same as uganda..The problem ruto was applying dictatorial mindset which in kenya was only applicable in 1990's but at the same old days the Odingo, orengo could still demonstrate this error is not bulldozing but its for inclusivity......
Everyone In Kenya is a walking constitution...we Know law and our Right...We are still loading Coming soon...
If what I am hearing in this conversation is the general feeling of Ugandans, they will forever be in dictatorship. I am amazed at Mwenda's thought lines.
The likes of Andrew Mwenda only pick points to discuss which benefit them, not looking at the big picture of the issues that affect or benefit the whole
Am a Kenyan,bro power belongs to people, you exercise it direct or indirect
Its just that uganda institutions are in the CBD and in a bad place. Shift the offices to the outskirts of Nairobi
Kenya 🇰🇪 is our business and our business is kenya 🇰🇪 we defend with our life n blood
Mwends is aphilosopher who got confused and eaten up by silver and gold,he was the strongest mind in the press on the continent
That guy opondo seams to have humanity and undetstands kenyans broblems am kenyan
He is from tororo a border town bordering Kenya so he understands you so well
The guy in blue suit and glasses is very ignorant and military minded tell him to travel more
He has traveled all his life , but he only sold his intellect to musevenomics
He should come to Kenya and address us
@@KevinAtukunda ooh ok I understand
@@Iletyoulive useless guy
Unfortunately he is right,Ruto just seems to be gambling with politics,he doesn't read the mood of people.
😁😁😁weh Uganda..you guys have a long way to go
I am surprised by the shift to make Uganda a victim of the riots in Kenya. The correlation they are seeing is spurious and not of a direct attack on Ugandan infrastructure. Kenyans love Ugandans and the Gen Z were peaceful in the 3 weeks demonstrations. The infrastructure and property destroyed was done by goons paid by politicians. I challenge the facts provided by some of your panellists who are serving in the Ugandan government, they are biased in opinion
Secondly, the panellists are living in the past. Constitutionally the power belongs to the people. The government was put in place to serve the interests of the people and not of foreign puppets. When government goes rogue, the people are allowed to take back power they delegated.
Third, Kenya has a progressive constitution. we are not using a colonial constitution. Kenya knows its problems. And the Kenyan populace have a solution to their problems. Uganda can only take lessons as it is, they can't advise. Uganda lives in a glass house, they can't afford to throw stones.
You know one who driving using his mouth zzzzzzz, doesn't knock. Kenyans have never been peaceful nor democratic. They are sways sitting on a time bomb. How many people died during Ochuka's alleged take over of Moi's govt, how about during the political wars between auto,uhuru and raila. It always happens within a few hours or days. Suppose it stayed on for months and years like ither nations, kenya could be empty. One day Kenyans will appreciate Uganda's quietness to these 40 years. We know where we have come from. We are not a democracy neither a dictatorship, we are just enjoying our peace. What the riotous are destroying, they are going to pay for it thru more taxes; the worst is yet to come.
Well done mr yussuf
Baryomunsi may not be right. Minister does not have to be a member of parliament to be able to follow discussions in parliament. They should be attending as ex-officio members. Uganda does not have better laws or tax regime. Kenya is just unique. They are brave, courageous and more democratic.
I feel like OO , is defining what exactly is happening in Uganda.
HONESTLY UGANDA HAS A LONG WAY TO GO.
Ugandans am sorry but you have a long way to go with this thinking.
If these are the kind of discussions that go on in Uganda, then they have a looooong way to go . Very long.
In Kenya, power belongs to the people, and they can exercise it directly (the way they did recently) or indirectly (through elected representative). Whatever is being discussed here doesn't apply to Kenya. We have a working constitution.
Kenya will achieve full industrialization and first world status in the next few years. Watch this space.
As a Kenyan listening to your debaters, it's just funny. The President has full control, it was just that the whole people had issues with the Finance bill. Then on the issue of Ministers, in our old constitution we could select MPs to be ministers. In the new 2010 constitution, it doesn't have such. No need to have a minister as mp.
I really can't believe these Ugandans and especially the guy in the blue suit.
Our constitution is far much different from Unganda. Bro and sis you really have a long way to go.
You being an MP and a minister has not helped Ugandans in any way positive but rather we are suffering with maintaining you in living luxury life you people live.
Andrew Mwenda is applying the Ugandan constitution to Kenya. In Kenya, power is with the people. At. 1. Not elected representatives. Even after elections. The people can exercise that power directly and that is what we did.
Article no.1; "All the powers belongs to people". Elected members of the national assembly are just representatives to the voice of people.
That mzee with kipara and glasses clearly doesn't understand kenyan politics.
😂😂as the saying goes "akili ni nywele"
Actually. He has totally been brainwashed by general Museveni. 😂😂
@@Nangaikalumekenge yeah the way he speaks you might think he has ever been to the army.
@@melkizedeckmusamia9899 Actually
That guy in spects needs to be greeted and be taught more about Kenyan constitution...... we're privileged even q kindergarten child knows power belongs to the people......
But I think Mwenda is right about strategic mistake to withdraw the bill, he opened the door for more realistic and unrealistic demands, the opposition will definitely jump on the waggon to try and distablize the government. The President can't please them now!!
Kenya isn't Uganda. All we are interested in is change. We love stability, but we ain't cowards.
It is sad that these gentlemen are not independent thinkers. You can feel and see Museveni behind their argument apart from the gentleman on the left wearing glasses.
Let me educate Ugandans over the protests in Kenya led by young people. The recent demonstrations in Kenya have been primarily triggered by public outcry against the proposed Finance Bill 2024. The bill includes significant tax hikes, which many Kenyans READ and argued, will exacerbate the already high cost of living. Specifically, the bill proposes taxes on essential items such as bread, electronics, and cooking oil, which has led to widespread discontent among the populace. Additionally, the government's push to increase taxes is driven by a need to raise revenue to manage the country's substantial external debt, which stands at about 68% of Kenya's GDP. This has sparked further anger as many citizens feel the government is prioritizing debt repayment over their economic welfare. However, the SIGNIFICANT concern was and is the government's mismanagement of public funds (some of which are borrowed then mismanaged) and corruption (some of which are budgeted). For instance, the funds are being misallocated, then the tax burden disproportionately imposed on the poor and middle class. To note, the demonstrations spread across major cities and towns, reflecting deep-seated frustration with the current administration's policies and transcending tribal, ignorance, and class politics which have historically undermined African development, pushing it to poverty. In short, we young Kenyans (are learned) and have read and understood OUR Constitution (especially Article 1: All POWER is FOR, and By the People... and SHALL BE EXERCISED ONLY according to the WILL of the PEOPLE). Therefore, we CANNOT sit back, ignorant of the FACT that public officials use taxes to enrich themselves (some of which, with borrowed money), then impose ADDITIONAL TAXES to pay the debt. We will use ALL the NECCESSAY MEANS to restore OUR BELOVED KENYA back on the right track. UG and AFRICAN youths should learn.
Uwee enyewe uko na time... Ata am tired someone summerize please
Not in the Senate but national parliament.
A GOOD LEARDER IS ONE WHO LISTENS...he might not have listened immediately,... BUT has Listened...KENYA BELONGS TO KENYANS...
Ugandans you don't know kenyans. This wasn't about the bill. This is much deeper than the you think. Soon you will know.
I agree with Ggoobi but disagree with the reason. It is not about tax regime. The difference is Kenyans are very brave and daring something Ugandans lack. True we should not compare but on different grounds.
I just liked Ofwono's examples; Semuju and Mpuga!!!
In Kenya, All sovereign power belongs to the people and not the president and can be exercised directly or may be exercised thru representatives. What we did as Kenyans after our representatives betrayed us, is we took back our sovereign power and exercised it directly. Simple to you Ugandan people. 😂. That phrase ends all your debates.
Am Kenyan, i am disappointed listening. If this are the kind of leaders you have , thinking that citizens can not exercise their Power directly, when system are not working, then you have a long way to go
Uganda is very sick .. something is very wrong there..its just terribly sad
I pity Uganda 4rm 🤦 if these are the people whose voices shape ur county u need help serious help
Ugandans wake up how you argue makes Museveni to lead for life😂😂😂😂😂
Much respect to Semuju and Yusuf the rest are just a bunch of self interest asinines who clearly have no interest in addressing the root course of the financial bill i would recommend Ugandans to watch the recent interview of Jimmy Wanjigi on AB TV.
Mwenda is 2 decades behind in his thinking. Ruto is not an enemy to anyone and no one is fighting Ruto. It is all about accountability and good governance. We are not rioting, we are demonstrating.
But 2.9 billion $ for the SGR, I think you could have negotiated better.
I felt pain while watching this.. I mean, the kind of politics Mwenda is speaking is decades back. I felt like slapping him, and telling him to shut up.. 🤬
Those were not riots but PROTESTS
in Kenya power belongs to the people and institutions are very indipendent
Mr Mwenda President Ruto was elected by the same people who were protesting, so he is supposed to serve the Kenyans and not chest thumbs. Don't you ever call Kenyans protesting mobs please. Respect yourself
Mr opondo is a very wise guy,ican see some purpets frm the debate,he speaks his mind and the truth.Kenya we love u bro, but to uganda gov ur goose is cooking
I like serunkuma he's very brilliant
This young man talks sense
Museveni needs greetings from kenya.Salamua huyo mzee aonje cha mtema kuni from kenya.GenZ hoyeeee!!!Ruto must gooooo!!!
Ugandans need to rise to the occasion
It's now or never
The fact that you guys are calling citizens of a country an enemy is just shows how ignorant you people are!!
i'm utterly shocked! he's mentioning enemy, military, enemy battles, weakness, etc. i thought he was joking at first. Even Afghanistan Taliban doesn't call Afghans the enemy lol
one day uganda will have these wisekers accountabla just like amin and obote ,its good the craizy man very old
These people should back to school to learn the difference between rioting and protesting. I really pity the Ugandans.
Mwenda how things work in Uganda is not how they do in Kenya.Our constitutions are different like day and night. If Zakayo did not yield, on Thursday he protestors would have occupied the Statehouse. Our youth unlike those in Uganda do not fear to die! However, I agree with you Zakayo is poor decision maker.
The man in glasses looks like a dictator 🙄🙄🙄Kenya is a democratic Republic... How would you use the army to unarmed person.. Now this is Uganda 😢😢😢😢😢
You don't know more about our country Kenya;
In Uganda Money is for the government whereas in Kenya we say "our money"
Then in Kenya power belongs to the people
The parliament belongs to the people
We're allowed to dictate how you gonna lead us coz power belongs to the people and. Our leaders are our employees
Yes M7 is Ruto's mentor 100%.
If these are the kind of People advicing Ugandans. Then You a have long way to Go. This political Analysed, is a sycophan of the Ugandan political System. Tell him demostration in kenya is one of our Constitutional Right. It is our way of expressing our point to Government.
Ruto will change and continue working for us. I have a dream that he may end up to be the best president ever not only in Kenya but Africa. Goodbye!
this Andrew guy is completely clueless on constitution matters😬Museveni really has big influence.
Ugandan should go against survival for them to make a change
The atitude of meenda explains y the demonstrations in ug end in total lose of lives,that's how they advise, remember you can't fight the will of the people forever
Ugandans may have a good understanding of Kenyans. As Andrew Mwenda please note that democracy does not demonstrate weakness;ruto can decide to bring in the army and shoot poeple in the streets this is a dictator's mindset to think so. Just as Museveni uses force, the power of the people is stronger than the president. In Kenya, the idea of shooting demonstrators will not be accepted, which aligns with the thinking that Uganda believes should be adopted in Kenya. 😮😮😮😮😮
Kenya belongs to Kenyan people and ruto must GO.....ruto can try to be museveni or kagame ..but this is Kenya...where blood is shed when we want decision made