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Jake has a great explanation and this is the same line of logic I had to follow as a new revert. There is so much to learn about Hadith. Whenever someone gets confused, it helps to find someone more experienced or go to the internet and look up what the scholars say. There is usually a consensus.
Panel: where do you live? Jerry: i don't live where you live. Panel: ok. Where do you live ? Jerry: my parents told me to live there. Panel: where is that? Jerry: .... *start asking another question*.
I think Jerry didn’t expect for his name to show and I also think he is not a believer but on a mission to misguide believers by learning a little Arabic and pointers to misguide Muslims that he himself cannot explain
The issue with Quranists is that they refuse to accept the Deen of Allah the way it was revealed and understood. Instead, they create a version that allows them to appear to submit to Allah while interpreting the Qur'an in ways that suit their desires. They are deeply misguided. May Allah rectify their affairs.
clever men knew people would use their brain so they invented that hadith, as well as the rest of them. The time has come to worship Allah alone, not the prophet.
I just Googled it and this is what I found: Masjid al-Haram (Arabic: ٱَلْمَسْجِدُ ٱلْحَرَام, romanized: al-Masjid al-Ḥarām, lit. 'The Sacred Mosque'), also known as the Sacred Mosque or the Great Mosque of Mecca, is considered to be the most significant mosque in Islam. It encloses the vicinity of the Kaaba in Mecca, in the Mecca Province of Saudi Arabia.
1a. The Direction of the Qiblah, before the Command to face Masjid al Haraam, is irrelevant, what is relevant for us is what Allah disclosed to us and commands to face is Masjid al Haraam! 1b. The initial command of facing another Qiblah is neither found in the Hadith, therefore "the unrecited revelation" is neither the Hadith, but was for the Prophet in his time, the companions had no choice but to follow him in that at that time, today we do not have the "unrecited revelation" as the Prophet (salallaahu'alaihi wasalam) has passed away! Allah has perfected the Deen for us, and has given us the Qur'an for our Guidance.. Hence it is not required for us to know the previous command and where to face before the command of the Qiblah of Masjid al Haraam! What is of our concern is what Allah revealed in the Qur'an, and that is to face the Qiblah of Masjid al Haraam!
If they apply half of that effort to actually study the religion, they would gain much more. What a pathetic bunch. Lying, concealing, not praying, each guy is his own religion and they all claim to be pious and full of faith. What a joke qur'anism. They are either there to intentionally misguide or are deeply in denial and lost.
How do these people pray? How many times do they pray each day and night? What are the conditions and details of zakah? What is the nisab (threshold of wealth) for paying zakah? What is the amount that must be paid? How do they do Hajj and ‘Umrah? How many times do they circumambulate the Ka’bah? How many times do they go back and forth between al-Safa and al-Marwah?
I can confirm from his accent this guy is Somali, he’s is translating the name of the (Masjid Alharam) that’s why he’s saying forbidden gatherings place. as somali 99% of us I can confirm you we pray to the qibla Masjidal Haram
He’s not convincing anyone about his position. His eyes and heart are blinded. His claims are all based on his own imagination. I mean Petra?! Alhamdulillah for Islam, Alhamdulillah for Quran and Alhamdulillah for Sunnah. May Allah give him hidayah and keep all of us steadfast on His path.
سورة Sura الفتح Al-Fath آية Aya 24 وَهُوَ الَّذِي كَفَّ أَيْدِيَهُمْ عَنكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ عَنْهُم بِبَطْنِ مَكَّةَ مِن بَعْدِ أَنْ أَظْفَرَكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرًا (24) He is the One Who held back their hands from you and your hands from them in the valley of ˹Ḥudaibiyah, near˺ Mecca, after giving you the upper hand over ˹a group of˺ them.1 And Allah is All-Seeing of what you do.
Satan has sworn to lead Muslims astray and whoever follows him will be lost and that is sure as Allah said in the Quran. Ignorance of one's religion leads to hell.
This was crazy bro 😅 i wanna know what was it that he thought he'd do coming to the stream? I mean ..ahh .forget it lol May Allah guide this guys and keep us all in Sirat Al Mustaqeem, Ameen. And also unite us all as Muslims following the Quran and the sunnah, Ameen.❤
Jerry is Shayatin wearing a muslim coat to misguide others by his actioned and the minute he said" Adhan is just noises" red alert or he mentioned "he does not believe the way Muslim believe " which my understanding after shayatin was created by Our creator he refused to obey and bow down not that he doesn't know who Allah is that created him but instead swore to misguided people with his made up sharia -that is Jerry the shayatin is been revealed SubhanaAllah
The Arabic language has two separate words, حرم ḥaram and حرام ḥarām, both derived from the same triliteral Semitic root Ḥ-R-M. Both of these words can mean "forbidden" and/or "sacred" in a general way, but each has also developed some specialized meanings. A third related word derived from the same root, حريم ḥarīm, most directly corresponds to English "harem". In Arabic it is easier to differentiate the two as they are pronounced and written different, so it is better to be called as Harm (sacred) rather than Haraam (forbidden)
Moreover, we would ask these people: where are the aayaat which tell us how to pray, or which tell us that the obligatory prayers are five times daily, or which tell us about the nisaab on various kinds of wealth for the purpose of zakah, or about the details of the rituals of Hajj, and other rulings which we can only know from the Sunnah?
Its like his mind is blocked from Logic. Its like his mind cant find a logic answer that supports his belief (because there is none) so he just malfuncyltions and says "i dont know i just believe different" 😂😂😂 yes brother thats called being corrupted by devil😂😂
15:58 "...two rakat as a sunnah!" The jig is up. The guy is in kufr. I'm not making takfir, but certainly, his position is clearly kufr. 25:24 "Jerry, we think you're done here." Mic drop! Jerry is baked! What an enormous waste of the time of the 4 Muslims. But enormously beneficial for the audience to learn about the kufr
The name al-Quraniyyeen does not befit these people, because the Quran tells us, in almost one hundred aayahs, to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). Obedience to the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is considered in the Quran to be a part of obedience to Allah, may He be glorified. He who obeys the Messenger, has indeed obeyed Allah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad) as a watcher over them. [al-Nisa 4:80 interpretation of the meaning]. The Quran, which they claim to follow, denies the faith of the one who refuses to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and does not accept his ruling: But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission. [al-Nisa 4:65 interpretation of the meaning]
All the oldest religious structures in Arabia appear to point towards Petra Jordan. This is well documented. Only the religious structures built post-7thC are aligned to Mecca. The proto Quran is more than likely a pre-7thC Non-Trinitarian Christian book/lectionary. More chapter and verse were added by an author, possibly Muhammad, in the evolution of a new Arab religion. There are several references to Muhammad having been acquainted with an Arian Monk, which would explain the initial books (the large chapters) he carried and started with, and also Islam’s foundational rejection of the trinity.
You spent 30 valuable minutes on this Qur’an rejector. ( Brother MA might have capped him in 3 minutes. Prove them they’re Qur’an rejectors rather Hadith rejectors; END OF THE ARGUMENT)
I met a Quranist and what I found that when you ask them that whether they read Quran they will say they read Quran religiously. But when you quote any Quranic ayah to Quranist they will take you to Google. So all Quranist are Googalists😂
The moment you become quranist while in the quran itself Allah said to follow rasool (prophet muhammad s.a.w) : his teaching and saying a.k.a hadith.... you already betrayed your own belief. It show something wrong with you mentally, it show you as a person who logic is under the bus.
@@Xulfimir It was Allah who actually said He revealed the Book and the Wisdom. And the Prophet said Allah has revealed to him something like that of the Quran. So what are you on about?
Not understanding a simple question as in, having to explain what you understand from reading the Quran. Hopefully brother builds intelligence first before diving into complex arguments
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Sorry I couldn’t watch after 15 min - May Allah SWT bless you with even more Sabr in dealing with such people.
I will approach them from their front, their back, their right, their left, and then You will find most of them ungrateful.”- Iblees
Masjid al Haram - the Forbidden gathering place????🤦♀️ I'm done!
😂😂😂
🤣🤣😭
When an evangelist want to put he’s meaning in the Quran and ignore 14 centuries of quranic commentary 🤦🏾♂️
This is the best thing I heard today 😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉 You deserve pity.
Google translation 😂😂😂
Subhan’Allah! I can’t even believe that some ppl are misguided to this extent, this is beyond ignorance! May Allah guide us to the right path.
Amina ya Rabbi
How can someone call themselves a Muslim but yet be so far from Islam. May Allah SWT guide us on the straight path.
Jake has a great explanation and this is the same line of logic I had to follow as a new revert.
There is so much to learn about Hadith. Whenever someone gets confused, it helps to find someone more experienced or go to the internet and look up what the scholars say. There is usually a consensus.
Panel: where do you live?
Jerry: i don't live where you live.
Panel: ok. Where do you live ?
Jerry: my parents told me to live there.
Panel: where is that?
Jerry: .... *start asking another question*.
Perfect resume
No way his name is Jerry. I'm not buying that for a second. Khan probably chose this name to sound "intellectual".
@Othman1992on it's probably Tom in disguise
Not only he is ignorant Abt Qur'an, he is ignorant in English comprehension too 😅
That’s not his fault..English is obviously not his first language..
Alhamdullilah Almighty Allah has been so merciful to me by not misguiding me 😢
Very good explainations my brothers, May Allah rewards u all.Amiiin
I think Jerry didn’t expect for his name to show and I also think he is not a believer but on a mission to misguide believers by learning a little Arabic and pointers to misguide Muslims that he himself cannot explain
The issue with Quranists is that they refuse to accept the Deen of Allah the way it was revealed and understood. Instead, they create a version that allows them to appear to submit to Allah while interpreting the Qur'an in ways that suit their desires. They are deeply misguided. May Allah rectify their affairs.
It is dangerous to be self made scholar.
Isn’t it amazing that our Prophet peace be upon him Prophesized this, that there will come a people who will only take from the Quran
clever men knew people would use their brain so they invented that hadith, as well as the rest of them. The time has come to worship Allah alone, not the prophet.
@ the same person who spoke Hadiths also spoke the Quran , so why is following Hadiths shirk?
@@HiddenOne19 time has come to retrospect your Eemaan before the descending of Angel of death!
جزاك الله خيرا for reposting these old streams. It helps us new to the channel learn.
When he said masjid al haram is forbidden gathering place i stopped taking him seriously
JazakAllah'u khairan brothers 🇵🇸🤲🏻
Is really sad, sad state of affairs wallahi; Subhanallah 😔
I just Googled it and this is what I found:
Masjid al-Haram (Arabic: ٱَلْمَسْجِدُ ٱلْحَرَام, romanized: al-Masjid al-Ḥarām, lit. 'The Sacred Mosque'), also known as the Sacred Mosque or the Great Mosque of Mecca, is considered to be the most significant mosque in Islam. It encloses the vicinity of the Kaaba in Mecca, in the Mecca Province of Saudi Arabia.
Who started this idea of Qur'an only Muslims. Where did this madness originate from?
That's right I am not a practicing muslim I am born as a muslim but atleast I am proud to say I have read mecca in the quran 😂😂😂😂😂
Jazakah Lahu Khaeran, watching from Nigeria
I can't think with common sense that there are people who claim to be Muslims who think like this guy
Glad to see brother Jake
Im starting to believe he's not a Believer
I don't think he's even a Muslim. Not doing proper solat and describing adhan as screaming
Watching from St. Louis Mo Alhamdulillah
1a. The Direction of the Qiblah, before the Command to face Masjid al Haraam, is irrelevant, what is relevant for us is what Allah disclosed to us and commands to face is Masjid al Haraam!
1b. The initial command of facing another Qiblah is neither found in the Hadith, therefore "the unrecited revelation" is neither the Hadith, but was for the Prophet in his time, the companions had no choice but to follow him in that at that time, today we do not have the "unrecited revelation" as the Prophet (salallaahu'alaihi wasalam) has passed away! Allah has perfected the Deen for us, and has given us the Qur'an for our Guidance.. Hence it is not required for us to know the previous command and where to face before the command of the Qiblah of Masjid al Haraam! What is of our concern is what Allah revealed in the Qur'an, and that is to face the Qiblah of Masjid al Haraam!
If they apply half of that effort to actually study the religion, they would gain much more. What a pathetic bunch. Lying, concealing, not praying, each guy is his own religion and they all claim to be pious and full of faith. What a joke qur'anism. They are either there to intentionally misguide or are deeply in denial and lost.
CALL THEM HADITH REJECTORS !!
How do these people pray? How many times do they pray each day and night? What are the conditions and details of zakah? What is the nisab (threshold of wealth) for paying zakah? What is the amount that must be paid? How do they do Hajj and ‘Umrah? How many times do they circumambulate the Ka’bah? How many times do they go back and forth between al-Safa and al-Marwah?
I can confirm from his accent this guy is Somali, he’s is translating the name of the (Masjid Alharam) that’s why he’s saying forbidden gatherings place. as somali 99% of us I can confirm you we pray to the qibla Masjidal Haram
The patient you have to have to deal with this people سبحان الله
This guy.. it is so sad.. may Allah guide him to the right path!
I think they're letting Jake deal with this guy like office workers giving jobs to interns
I think they're using Jake because he was a former Quranist so he knows how they think and can speak their language to them IMO.
Quran cannot function without Hadiths 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Bible cannot function without church tradition. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
He’s not convincing anyone about his position.
His eyes and heart are blinded. His claims are all based on his own imagination. I mean Petra?!
Alhamdulillah for Islam, Alhamdulillah for Quran and Alhamdulillah for Sunnah.
May Allah give him hidayah and keep all of us steadfast on His path.
I am watching from South Africa
Salam to you my dear sister!
Please get Jake and Muhammad Ali back on the panel!
Masha'Allah, please try to have brother Jake back on the stream whenever possible.
If a quranist hears himself arguing for 5 minutes, he would start mocking himself. May Allah guide them to the straight path!
When foolish disbelief attempts to appear smart and clever, unaware of its own ignorance. 😂
Better get Nur Mellany on the air. Her misguidance should be called out
سورة Sura الفتح Al-Fath آية Aya 24
وَهُوَ الَّذِي كَفَّ أَيْدِيَهُمْ عَنكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ عَنْهُم بِبَطْنِ مَكَّةَ مِن بَعْدِ أَنْ أَظْفَرَكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرًا (24)
He is the One Who held back their hands from you and your hands from them in the valley of ˹Ḥudaibiyah, near˺ Mecca, after giving you the upper hand over ˹a group of˺ them.1 And Allah is All-Seeing of what you do.
Personally I think he is not a muslim.
What the hell is happening to this ummah?!
Individuals are not ummah stop generalizing
you're not allowed to say that
Nothing , fitnas have always been there , it's test ,so be just careful and follow the salaf
Satan has sworn to lead Muslims astray and whoever follows him will be lost and that is sure as Allah said in the Quran.
Ignorance of one's religion leads to hell.
Liberalism
The lengths Hadith Rejectors go man xD
This was crazy bro 😅 i wanna know what was it that he thought he'd do coming to the stream? I mean ..ahh .forget it lol May Allah guide this guys and keep us all in Sirat Al Mustaqeem, Ameen. And also unite us all as Muslims following the Quran and the sunnah, Ameen.❤
Jerry is Shayatin wearing a muslim coat to misguide others by his actioned and the minute he said" Adhan is just noises" red alert or he mentioned "he does not believe the way Muslim believe " which my understanding after shayatin was created by Our creator he refused to obey and bow down not that he doesn't know who Allah is that created him but instead swore to misguided people with his made up sharia -that is Jerry the shayatin is been revealed SubhanaAllah
The first qibla isn’t for people who read Hadith seeing that it has nothing to do with us. That was for only that time. The Quran is for all times.
The Arabic language has two separate words, حرم ḥaram and حرام ḥarām, both derived from the same triliteral Semitic root Ḥ-R-M. Both of these words can mean "forbidden" and/or "sacred" in a general way, but each has also developed some specialized meanings. A third related word derived from the same root, حريم ḥarīm, most directly corresponds to English "harem".
In Arabic it is easier to differentiate the two as they are pronounced and written different, so it is better to be called as Harm (sacred) rather than Haraam (forbidden)
Great job Brother Jake!! May Allah bless you Bro for defending the Qur'an and Sunnah!
This guy who claimed is a Quranist is surely not what he claims. He is delusional about his claims and his interpretations.
Moreover, we would ask these people: where are the aayaat which tell us how to pray, or which tell us that the obligatory prayers are five times daily, or which tell us about the nisaab on various kinds of wealth for the purpose of zakah, or about the details of the rituals of Hajj, and other rulings which we can only know from the Sunnah?
Jerry was weird
Its like his mind is blocked from Logic. Its like his mind cant find a logic answer that supports his belief (because there is none) so he just malfuncyltions and says "i dont know i just believe different" 😂😂😂 yes brother thats called being corrupted by devil😂😂
As a Somali, am assuming this brother is also somali, which surprises me
لَا حَوْلَ وَلَا قُوَّةَ إِلَّا بِالله
8:09 dude probably used google translate
15:58 "...two rakat as a sunnah!" The jig is up. The guy is in kufr. I'm not making takfir, but certainly, his position is clearly kufr.
25:24 "Jerry, we think you're done here." Mic drop! Jerry is baked!
What an enormous waste of the time of the 4 Muslims. But enormously beneficial for the audience to learn about the kufr
The name al-Quraniyyeen does not befit these people, because the Quran tells us, in almost one hundred aayahs, to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). Obedience to the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is considered in the Quran to be a part of obedience to Allah, may He be glorified. He who obeys the Messenger, has indeed obeyed Allah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad) as a watcher over them. [al-Nisa 4:80 interpretation of the meaning]. The Quran, which they claim to follow, denies the faith of the one who refuses to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and does not accept his ruling: But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission. [al-Nisa 4:65 interpretation of the meaning]
Very true. Same with calling those other guys 'Ahmadiyya'. These names are too good for them.
7:39 funniest thing ive ever seen. Just exposes how ignorant hadith rejectors are
Qibla is the direction not a meeting place 😂😅
All the oldest religious structures in Arabia appear to point towards Petra Jordan. This is well documented. Only the religious structures built post-7thC are aligned to Mecca.
The proto Quran is more than likely a pre-7thC Non-Trinitarian Christian book/lectionary.
More chapter and verse were added by an author, possibly Muhammad, in the evolution of a new Arab religion.
There are several references to Muhammad having been acquainted with an Arian Monk, which would explain the initial books (the large chapters) he carried and started with, and also Islam’s foundational rejection of the trinity.
What a joker!!!!
It's not even an argument, there are verses in the Qur'an that point to things it does not elaborate on
He believed in professional person but not Prophet Muhammad PBUH or Islamic scholars?
The brayer is for Betra brozer blease listen . Smh
People like this are dangerous because they want to change God's book.
JERRY GO HAVE A SEAT
🤣
Who is Enoch in Islam ?
Where in the quran are the mention of 5 TIMES to pray 😅😅😅
it is sad
I know there's other groups like Shia ahmedi and whatever they are but I really wonder what group this guy is from
JERRY YOUR DONE!!!
Jerry is a Christian he is acting like muslim 😂😂😂😂😂
You spent 30 valuable minutes on this Qur’an rejector. ( Brother MA might have capped him in 3 minutes. Prove them they’re Qur’an rejectors rather Hadith rejectors; END OF THE ARGUMENT)
He is beyond ignorant
This guy is more than clueless. He is also uneducated in his own beliefs.
I met a Quranist and what I found that when you ask them that whether they read Quran they will say they read Quran religiously. But when you quote any Quranic ayah to Quranist they will take you to Google. So all Quranist are Googalists😂
Sorry to say but a box of rocks would make a better guest than ol' Jerry over here.
The Dunning Kruger is very powerful with hin.
The moment you become quranist while in the quran itself Allah said to follow rasool (prophet muhammad s.a.w) : his teaching and saying a.k.a hadith.... you already betrayed your own belief. It show something wrong with you mentally, it show you as a person who logic is under the bus.
As a somali I can tell he is somali. so sad
@@User-ts2jj I agree it’s sad, he is clearly misguided May Allah swt protect and guide us all
Ha usaarin somali ninka dhabarka haduusan oran somali baan ahay
@@BaftoMedia sidu ugu dawaqaayo carabigisa miiyaadan maqlin niyahow, ciyarta masajidka ka dhaf
@@BaftoMedia Hadalkiisa baan laga garinkara
WE ARE FINISHED WITH YOU 😂
Confused individual
This guy was never Muslim
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So not knowing where first qibla was is part of imaan? I agree we need ahadith to some extent. But whats with these irrelevant questions.
You didn't get it? The brothers are proving that there was a revelation other than the Qur'an.
@ Allah guarantees authenticity of Quran. Who guarantees about those revelations?
@@Xulfimir It was Allah who actually said He revealed the Book and the Wisdom. And the Prophet said Allah has revealed to him something like that of the Quran. So what are you on about?
Where is the mention of the 5 pillars of islam 😂 in the quran
YOU HEARD HIM OPEN THE VERSE 🤔
Then why silent like crazy. He doesn't even know Arabic
READ OUT LOUD!!!
Not understanding a simple question as in, having to explain what you understand from reading the Quran. Hopefully brother builds intelligence first before diving into complex arguments
He is a troll, why are you even bother
Just admit u dont wanna pray..
The guy don’t know Quran
People Learn Quran to Destroy the Believe of Muslims.... But Sadly They Can't do that... And Can't even Indeed. That's how the GOD's words work.... :) IF YOU KNEW.......... YOU MAY SEEK the Forgiveness from ALLAH.... May ALLAH GUIDE THEM... AMEEN
Yep......
Quran 77:50: *"In which Hadith after this Quran do they believe in?"* Destroys the teachings of Bukhari and his fabricated "Sunnah".
Why are you debating the Quran
Omggg listening to this jerry guy is so annoying and a headache. He is insincere. Id hang up the call. This dude is annoying.