SHATTERED SPACE (Starfield DLC): Only 6 Hours of content?
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Most negative reviews on YT are literally bandwagoning for views. You can read the title, see the thumbnail, and immediately know which are not worth even the storage space on Google's servers.
I blame content creators too for not being diligent. Yes, Bethesda should have let reviewers get access, and you could argue that it's a content creators job to get reviews and content out, but it's also their job as reviewers to be thorough, and to provide fair analysis of the product. But for many views > credibility it seems
I think the actual critiques of the expansion hold up, but we'd also be remiss not to mention the toxic state of gaming discourse now. Influencers actively go in hoping for failure so they can prove a point and get attention along the way. Game quality aside, we didn't have this type of behavior even back in 2015 or 2018.
@@StoneAgeWarfare Yeah, and it's not limited to gaming discourse, I feel like. I don't know if something changed during the Covid times, but the internet discourse in general has felt so much more toxic since 2020 and it's only getting worse. I mean, it has always been toxic to a certain degree, but in recent years it has grown so, so much worse and I don't know why.
Gotta keep the grift going.
Anyone who released a review a day after everyone else got only a share of the revenue that they would have gotten had they released it 8 hours after like everyone else.
Also, remember how Starfield was getting decent reviews at first and then within a week it was mainstream consensus that the game was worse than Fallout 76? Those were from people who got review codes and spent some time with the game, but after it was released tons of smaller channels started making day one reviews shitting on it, and the trend caught on.
IGN even gave it a 7 back then and everyone jumped to defend the game because it was a lower score than those of other mainstream publications and reviewers, but nowadays if you give Starfield a 7 you'll get harassed and called a paid Bethesda shill.
@@Augusto9588 Yeah. Games media these days isn't about taking time to enjoy a game. It's about rushing it as fast as possible so you can get a review out the door in time for views.
While Bethesda could/should have given some review codes to reviewers in time for them to do a proper review, I still mostly blame the reviewers themselves. They went for low quality clickbait content over high quality content. An early rushed review review might get more and faster views, but it is still garbage.
I see it this way. Who here would rather read and trust a day one review over a review made by Gopher? People WILL wait for trustworthy content.
Unfortunately what some people do matters less than what most people do and most people are brainless morons with zero self-control.
@@allanlarsen3261 I've kinda stopped caring about reviews all together
If I care about the game one way or another, I'll get it and try it out myself unbiased.
And I'm not surprised most reviewers don't take the time with the dlc, it's low priority content of a game that's received a lot of hate so people don't really consider playing starfield at all.
Why put in time and effort into something you don't expect to enjoy or get much out of.
I don't want to go out of my way defending this DLC or Starfield i general, because i don't love either, but it does depress me that many people, not just reviewers, slavishly follow the critical path then complain they don't understand what's going on or that the game is too short.
Huh, here I am 8 hours in and not even half done. 🤷♂️
Cool. Except no one claims the whole DLC offers only 6 hours of content. They complain about the main quest being just 6 hours long. Which is a joke for a $30 DLC. Gopher should get his facts right, before calling other youtubers and reviewers out.
@@Oozaru85 plenty of reviews claim that the DLC is worth 6 hours of content. Check them out. Btw, 6 hours for a main quest is fairly normal in video games, even looking at the base games.
@@Oozaru85 Ive had people asking me to name the side quests, because they were refusing to believe that Shattered space had side quests in it. Thats how bad the situation is with misinformation on youtube or reviews in general. Needless to say they went silent after I typed the quests name from my completed mission log.
@@foxmulder7436 What channels are you talking about? Some small channels no one cares about? Because I only care about Mr.Matty, LoneVaultWanderer, Juicehead and Obsidianarts reviews. Those are people who have made tons of videos regarding BGS and who have been fans of BGS games since the beginning. And they all say the main quest being 6 hours is too short. They also all mentioned the side quests and content.
@@foxmulder7436 6 hours is enough? Dude, people like you are the reason why the gaming industry is going downhill.
I couldn't care less if the dlc is only 6 hours long. I only care if it is worth my time, and everything has told me it just ain't :(
On the bright side, you save your money (and time) and spend it on something more worthwhile.
While there are many valid criticisms of Starfield and Shattered Space, I have noticed it has kind of become popular to hate on the game and BGS for it for the sake of nitpicking. I'm not saying the game or devs shouldn't be criticized at all, but there is a lot of what I would call "nitpicking" of the game that seems unnecessary in face of the actual valid issues. For example, I saw a reviewer talk about how the "First Contact" quest was entirely ruined because the terminals used the same interface on the Constant that you see in other ships. Like yes, the game is flawed and Bethesda deserve flak for the flaws, but now it all just feels like click-bait and inauthentic dislike for the game.
I played it as soon as it went live. I did all the side quests I could find. I did as much dialogue as i could find. "I was well kitted out so combat was fast" but I got maybe 12-14 hours of it. That was doing the dialogue doing the side quests "mostly" and "nosing around" as much as possible.
Granted! I was annoyed with the ending enough that I dont stick around to see if any new things opened up after the main quest was finished.
I saw a lot of reviews, I wasn’t sure if they even played the DLC some were terribly misleading and seemed to just leave out things that were in the game although they claimed they were not. IMO the DLC was just weak not horrible. They could have done better.
Weak. Not Horrible. Yeah, I like that.
Fully Agree! It was ok. I did love the ending battle of the main quest. The rest of it was "meh." Didnt really get any lore answers that I really wanted. The "serpent" came off as not real, there were no interesting things tied to it at all that could tell. No new abilities or features etc. In a way it kind of ruined the Varuun mystique for me.
Mr.Matty, LoneVaultWanderer, ObsidianArt, Juicehead, these are some of the reviewers who"s reviews I care about. And they all gave it a bad review. Are you saying they are all lying? Because they arent some randos who plaued a BGS game for the first time. They are huge fans of BGS games since Daggerfall and FO1. And I totally agree with them on Starfield being BGSs worst game, not the best as Emil claims.
when I'm having fun, the hours fly by
I'll only get to Shattered Space in a year or two once the game has more mods, but I appreciate you shedding more light on the situation. There are already enough things to criticize Starfield for, but it's not enough for content creators and gamers so they feel the need to come up with fake issues just to continue spreading the hate. Shame.
i really wish that i could have played the final complete version of Starfield for the first time. i had more fun and excitement on my first run than any Bethesda game i've played since Fallout 3 and Oblivion.
That's kinda what I did for my first playthrough, which is still happening.
Played for about a hundred hours in the first month, put it on hold as there was a lot of games I wanted to play at the time (smashed through 20 of them in 3 months)
So I decided to wait to continue starfield when the dlc releases and some more mods drop.
And yesterday I completed it. Now for like, 60% of the base game content to go.
Dawg, I already got 12 hours minimum in Shattered Space and I ain't really been anywhere really outside of Draza
Eh, a lot of reviewers just love to bash on Bethesda as well as Shattered Space. I'm not saying it's the best game out there (far from it), and i'm not saying the DLC is game-changing. People make videos for clicks, that's all. People who have preconceived notions on the DLC will post what they thought before, regardless of how good it is.
The problem I see is that a lot of these reviewers play with a lower leven character or are exposing themselves for just clicking through the dialogue just to reach that review time.
It has also to do with that what do you expect gets more clicks, a video saying the DLC is amazing. Or one that says it bad, outdated, etc and then most of the vid is talking negative.
People just seem to like to talk negative at this point, because it gets a wider appeal.
On my first time it took me about 20-30 hours doing all the main quest, side, achievements and clearing some of the major locations that didn't seem to have any of those and I had fun with it.
But hey, I'm just a random person here, not some major reviewer with barely time needing to push out for those clicks.
This why I rather watch people like Gopher who been playing Bethesda games for years and actually put some time into it and not just rush it out.
The game isn't a wide appeal ether and does indeed not really follow mainstream, what seems that people wanted with only able to use comparisments to X game as argument that the game is bad. If you like that X game more, then that's fine. Bethesda games aren't a wide cup of tea and their taking risks that dont seem to pull good. Well, unless you like talking negative that is. Content is content as they say.
Honestly, while it wasn't as good as Far Harbor, length-wise Shattered Space is about the same.
Yeah, the main quest is around the same length as Far Harbor and Nuka World if you just strictly play it and do none of the side content. However, the key thing I feel is that it FEELS short, and I think its due to how the questline is structured. I don't want to spoil anything, but I feel if the main quest had at least 1-2 more hours of content, it would've felt more fulfilling. As it is right now, it feels short 'cause the pacing feels rushed.
@@dantefettman354 You know I think the feeling of shortness at least partial comes from the pacing.This one felt more like the story was making everything sound so urgent that I know I ended up go through it fast and doing side content after. If you look at Far Harbor, Nuka World, & frankly most Bethesda DLCs, there is less pressing you toward the main story quest. So you ended up getting distracted by side quests. I didn't get that here.
Except Far Harbor had a better main story and was just $25 on release.
@@Oozaru85 I said it wasn't as good. Also 25 USD in 2016 is the equivalent of about 32 USD today. Inflation sucks.
@@Carblesnarky I dont give a F about inflation. The DLC isnt worth the price tag.
The issue is that Bethesda has bad rep right now, so any negativity propagates very easily. They really need a big win to flip the narrative. They need to reinvigorate their IPs and not just rely on past successes.
30+ hours if you do everything and not just skip through the main quest
so $1 per hour I guess
@@DJLegends if that's a metric you care about at all.
Hours per Money is a pretty useless metric unless your entire reason of playing video games is to spend as much time doing it as possible.
@@Verchiel_ I was just comparing🤣
Except most reviewers were talking about the main quest being only 6 hours long, not all the content. Gopher spreading lies here to defend BGS, which is really pathetic.
@@Oozaru85 I literally said what you are saying, in this very video. I literally, within seconds of this video beginning, pointed out that the reviewers probably meant just the main quest. It's a 3 minute video where I said all that in the first 40 seconds! How did you miss that? HOW?
Third option - it's (sadly) fashionable to pile on and criticize Starfield instead of being objective no matter what people really think of it. As many faults as the base game may have, there's still a lot of good content there if you're open minded enough to see it.
Open minded enough to see it?
3 wheeled cars are great if you are open minded too.
@sagacity1071 A car with a missing wheel is objectively bad. There's nothing objectively bad with Starfield.
@@BoroMirraCz Haw dare you insult the Robin Reliant!
@@GophersVids Don't forget the Peel P50 now...
@@BoroMirraCz Wait did you just say nothing objectively bad with starfield? Haha man that cracked me up!
You can like a bad game, go ahead but don't go around trying to make it seem like an objectively great game...
Starfield has so many problems and so many areas that are shallow, shooting in crowded areas, facial animations, that robot companion glitching and jittering every 15 minutes, no city maps, endless loadingscreens, and so so much more.
You could write a bloody essay on the stuff that is bad in Starfield.
6 hours per handcrafted planet multiply by 1000 planet gives you 6000 hours of new content from Beth.
This was marketed as a story expansion. People played the story. It was short. Yes there is other content, but when you have already played starfield, you have already played that content. I put forth that these reviewers focused on the new faction storyline, because that was the main focus of the dlc. It really isn't that sinister, it it doesn't take another 20 hours of playtime to know that the rest of the dlc is just more starfield. I personally have not heard any reviewer or creator represent that all playable content can be completed in a few hours. I HAVE repeatedly heard people mention about 5 hour for the main story.
I know of at least one reviewer who had no intention of doing the side quests.
The thing is, when Starfield was about to release, everyone gave it a fair review, mostly atleast, so most reviews were positive, because there wasn't a hate bandwagon to crush them..... Now that this hate train is huge, these hate youtubers are scared to review the game fairly, instead end up telling that bandwagon what it wants to hear. Also many take advantage of these dumbass haters, by simply turing their hate vids into a business, to make money, cause people know, no matter how many times you make the same hate comments for Starfield, haters still gonna click on it in masses and have a bitch fest
To be fair, I still blame the reviewers/content creators because if they had to rush to get the review out then they should at least make that known and say "I rushed to get this review out and only had time to complete the main quest". Of course, then that would be admitting it's not a very good review. But still, it's way worse in my opinion to lie and act like the entire DLC is only 5 - 6 hours of content.
Man, all the negativity nowadays.
Finally shitty products are getting properly critiziced.
It was never only about the main quest, in ANY game made by Bethesda! I have around +900h in Starfield and based only on the main quest, I guess only 100h are there. +/- 50h 🙂
I watched a lot of reviews and all of them, the positive and negative ones, made clear that they were talkinging about the mainstory. The hightest hourcount iv heard so far was between 7 to 8 hours the majority concluded more like 5 to 6.
And no one said something about skipping Dialoge because they were looking for interesting conversations
Seen people claiming that the DLC only added 6~10 hours of content plenty of times.
Even seen a guy claiming that he finished the MQ in 2 hours and then the rest of the content in 6.
Well it maybe people are misunderstanding those reviewers and don't understand they just meant the main story. Either way, I hope this will clear it up for people.
Another option is that they ale intentionally lying. I saw some reviews claiming there are "kitbashed" weapons and Fallout 4 weapons...
People love to hate Bethesda and things like facts no longer matter to them.
The Quickstrike is just a Solstice with a stylised metal casing mounted on the front, Starslash is just an Equinox with an Var'ruun styled muzzle covering and the Longfang is just an Orion with a darker paintjob and different barrels and the Chimaz is a Painblade as a longsword.
Starstorm and Penumbra are the only ones, to my knowledge, that aren't copies with slight alterations.
I get that saying that all Shattered Space guns are "kitbashes" or just copies is wrong but when 4 out of 6 new weapons are straight copies from base game guns some critique is warranted and shouldnt be written off as "People love to hate Bethesda" especially when your claiming that facts don't matter.
@@luxberry9634 > the Chimaz is a Painblade as a longsword.
Not true. The Chimaz has 3 different handles, and only one of them is shared with the painblade.
@@Augusto9588 hmm my bad then, I only saw the painblade one.
I don't have the patience to read all the terminals and go through all of the dialog options. I just go through enough to satisfy my role playing self. However, I will sit there for hours watching you go through all the terminals and dialog options, and will think it was a shame I didn't catch this or that on my playthrough.
Non Bethesda players only count the main quest lines. They do not care about side quests.
Which never made sense to me. Until I realize these people do the bare minimum to review a game. Then ride whatever gray train is out.
Maybe. But I don't remember any similar complaints for Far Harbor or Dragonborn etc. And I certainly don't remember many people heaping praise upon Nuka World for having the longest main quest :)
I love the game, was excited to play it, but after the intro they insisted I join the cult and that was that. I may do it on another character if I get bored with this one.
I enjoyed the DLC, but this is a very fair criticism. There should have been another option.
NGL the main quest is litteraly designed in a way that you have to explore casue there is sections when time has to pass to progress the quest
I clocked in 30hrs+ with everything explored, tried varuun mission board and side quests done. I say it's a good DLC for starfield if you like starfield.
I've gone through the expansion two times now.
I think we are in a fallout 76 situation where creators are out of touch with the player-base, so despite negative coverage that community carries on until eventually the out of touch masses change their tune when it becomes convenient.
In my two playthroughs I made many different decisions, did more of the side quests but not all still, explored more of the Kavnyk System procedural POIs (all new btw). There is many hours of content here, but I share in the critique that it needed a new ship manufacturer, and more mechanical addition to the rest of the galaxy.
they said the same thing about Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition but i guarantee they played on easy and skipped most dialogue. i put about 60 hours into DA2 and at least 12-15 in the story. i put about 120 hours in DAI and 12-15 in the story.
i passed on those games for almost 10 years because of reviews and negative buzz and i absolutely loved em.
Thank you for your transparency.
I enjoyed it.
All I know is every time I turn on the game, the next thing I know, 2 hours have gone by. You have to enjoy the journey and not speed dashing to the end. That's not how this game works. I think there's too many younger players with ADHD.
hell I've been stuck at the Oracle for 2+hrs just exploring
Now, i know i'm a super slow player, this is the case in skyrim with my several hundred hour playthroughs, and it was the case for starfield playing it on release, only having done a chunk of the content and being at 130 hours when i stopped playing (temporarily)
But it's still a tad embarrassing to say i've spent close to 40 hours in the dlc so far? Maybe 30 if the gametime tracker is off
I've done most of the content to my knowledge, mostly just working on the main story now.
It's legit. There's a bunch of locations to explore as well as the quests, people to chat to etc...
Yea I think I finished the dlc at roughly 40 hours, which is quite a lot more than probably most.
Enjoyed it quite a bit, as much as I wish performance and terrain were well better.
Unfortunately, it won't matter. The mentality around that bandwagon has been set now.
İt's still a horrible dlc
@@orbit1894 True, but what he's likely saying is that people are determined to stop this game from making a comeback now.
Yep. People intentionally spread falsehoods about Starfield to make it look bad. Why would this great DLC be different?
Yup.
@@orbit1894its a great DLC. Some story bits and choices can feel questionable or poorly done but the action and dungeon content is simply the best in Starfield by a large margin. Content is huge.
Haven't played it. Does the main story lead you to the side-quests?
Thinking on prior DLCs, they often require you to talk to side-quest npcs and have you do some minimum number before continuing, leaving it to the player whether they want to do them all.
As far as dialogue goes, I don't listen to it all. Rarely read terminal entries, rarely deep-dive into conversation trees unless I genuinely care about the character or the location. Usually it's irrelevant or at best a joke. So can understand why reviewers might take the attitude of "I don't care that your dog ate crayons and is pooping a rainbow. Just tell me what to do".
Yes, it will lead you past most of them. There are a couple that sort of require exploration, but usually you will pass the quest giver. Of course, some of them won't immediately tell you they have a quest as you pass. So it helps that I spoke to anyone who had a name :)
A perfect example.. I'm a "builder" and have almost 40 hours into a half done Outpost there. Finished the main quest but just starting the side quests, so about 50 hours total. It's all about play style. Thus, different people will have different experiences.
i had 20 hours after the main quest and the 11 side quest
do people know how short the dragonborn main quest is??
Did Dragonborn have more than a single campaign and literally nothing else?
@@TheTundraTerror No, and neither does Shattered Space, and this is the point.
It's about 6 to 7 hours if I remember correctly. Same for Far Harbor and Dawnguard. I think Nuka World was one of the longer ones, but it's because it took a while to clear each 'park'.
Wisdom, I like it.
Fair comment ---
but how many hours if you did not join the required faction ? The 10 for 'side' quests ?
I've initially decided to sit on this DLC, your review actually make me changed my mind and consider the whole thing again so thank you for that.
But just what the heck!? If true this is just 100 percent on the reviewers. In what industry does greed a valid reason to essentially release a fake news to the consumers (well, game journalism I guess). I don't care if you don't have the time to play the game properly, if you're making video about it, it's better be accurate - especially if your only reason is you need to rush to get the views.
I used 20-25 hours on the dlc.
1:26 Gopher reads other peoples' emails? What a cad...
38 hours and 42 minutes. That's how long it took me the first time through. I earned six levels. Unmodded game and earned 100% achievements for the second time. My second character is at 17 hours and still in progress. Btw, thanks for the content.
A lot of people blaming content creators here first and foremost. I guessed there would be. But, to take the youtubers side for a moment, imagine Bethesda HAD sent out review codes. I guarantee there wouldn't be half as many reviews that said the game was only 5 hrs long. And if there was half as many reviewers saying that, there'd be half as many viewers repeating it through social media. Thats a lot of people NOT saying the game is 5 hrs long. Thats essentially Gophers point.
I often need to take shortcuts at work, just to get the work out. I bet all of you reading this have to do that too. So I dont really blame content creators who work to deadlines, like most of us have to. Making youtube videos IS work, it IS a valid means of income, and you DO have to take shortcuts sometimes if you want that bonus. When Bethesda didnt send out those review codes, it was essentially like your boss telling you "heres a bunch more work, get it done before you go". Try and look to the root of the problem rather than the issue it causes.
Cool, I can expect about 20 hours then.
Yeah, not much of a fan of Starfield but those claims of only 5-6 hours of content seemed ridiculous to me as someone not even playing the game and with no axe to grind for or against Bethesda. I WANT them to make great content haha. I think the issue we have here though is around quality not quantity.
Unfortunately it's not the first time Bethesda has withheld review codes. They have repeatedly done this. They have done it last year just before Starfield came out and then again in 2016 with Doom, Dishonored 2 and Skyrim Special Edition. It's official policy for Bethesda, unfortunately.
100%.
People are just following herd behavior, it's senseless in most cases it seems.
Obviously off topic, but... Red Dead Redemption 1 is coming to PC. Will you play it? Hopefully you were able to avoid spoilers!
I enjoyed playing it , but how replayable is it ? And I think it's a joke that they didn't add a temple and a new power to the DLC . when Skyrim got new dragon shouts with both of their real DLC's 🤔 I bet that the average player will play the UC Vanguard mission more times than they will bother with the DLC . And there are things they could have done to make it more worthwhile to do it multiple times . Like some real rewards that you can take through unity , instead of a couple guns and Spacesuits that you just lose if you go through unity . And I'm not a negative reviewer , I'm someone who likes the game and has already put more time in it in 1 year than my total time in Fallout 4 .
Gopher, do you think this will be the only dlc?
Just for perspective, on the base game I had over 400 hours in and had never even finished the main quest and gone through Unity ever. I did all the companion quests, and varied amounts of the faction quests (for example, finished the Freestar Rangers but got bug-locked out of the Vanguard quest line) and probably 80% of the main story. There was just a lot of other stuff I wanted to do, like get the survey and all systems visited achievements. Some of the issues I had I think have been fixed now, so I'll go back at some point.
Sounds like you got your moneys worth out of it 😅😅
That’s good.
idk how one can play an RPG and skip all the dialogue. wild times we live in
It's cool to hate on Beth, Beth could cure cancer next day and there will still be criticism. As much as I hate the bandwagon, it's long warranted. Hope it's enough of a wake up call to fire Emil and get a better writing team.
Come on , look at that....
Too bad.The entire thing feels like cut content from the main game. They set up that house thing and you do nothing with it in theentire story. Outside of the embassy. Not worth the cash or time investment.
on an unrelated note: i'm unsubscribing so i don't get spoiled from the baldur's gate thumbnails and titles
Your channel is a real source of inspiration and enjoyment. Thank you for your creativity and dedication!🚥🍄🤎
Side quests are not important for the evaluation of the DLC. Side Quests in Shattered Space feels like filler stuff. They belong in the derailing section.
The main DLC quests is what you have to evaluate.
Shattered Space is an ok Bethesda DLC. Same style as Skyrim and Fallout 4. It's not the worst thing Bethesda has made, but the entire game still lacks depth.
Is there a character you will remember in two or even five years from now on? Andreja perhaps? What if I say Shadowheart or Liara T'soni?
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I played Skyrim in 2.438.5 hours (SE in 920 hours) and Fallout 4 in 7.142 hours. I love those games.
*"Side quests are not important for the evaluation of the DLC."* - That's an odd opinion, but fair enough. How you evaluate what you play is up to you of course. For me, they are a critically important part of the equation. This is true for the base game too ... and indeed for all games and DLC. Actually, to be honest, a lot of the games I built my channel on would review badly if all I considered was the main quest.
i did play shattered space and was dissapointed by how short and simple it was, i actually felt quite dissapointed at the end of the quest line if i wouldnt have gotten this dlc for free with the deluxe edition i wouldnt have played it.
If ur going to call other reviewers out, at least get your facts right, Gopher. I have watched many negative reviews. No one says the all around content is max 6 hours. They say the main quest is only 6 hours. Which definitely is not enough for a $30 DLC.
*"If ur going to call other reviewers out,"* - I didn't call anybody out except Bethesda themselves. In fact I am not responding to other reviewers, but rather to commenters who are telling me that they have seen lots of reviews claiming the DLC has only 6 hours.
*"at least get your facts right, Gopher"* - Yes :)
*" No one says the all around content is max 6 hours."* - Well that's not true. A lot of people were telling me this. It's a common comment I see on my videos. A lot of people seem to have misunderstood what the reviewers were saying. When I said I played for 25 hours, some even questioned my honestly because they genuinely believed there was no more than 6 hours of content in the entire DLC.
*"They say the main quest is only 6 hours. Which definitely is not enough for a $30 DLC."* - Oh yeah, if this DLC was only one 6 hour questline, it would definitely be daylight robbery just for that. And to be honest, even with all the other content, this DLC doesn't feel like a good deal. But that's not because of the amount of content (which is about the same as their usual DLC). It's because there just doesn't seem to be anything really new here, nor anything that grabs me and renews the urge to play more Starfield. It's OK if you just want more Starfield, but otherwise I'm honestly having a hard time finding reasons to recommend it.
So me pointing out that the DLC has way more than 6 hours of content is NOT some sort of endorsement. It's just correcting a misconception many people seem to have.
for me it was torture, listen to boring dialogue and use long winded uninteresting dialogue to extend game time, and make excuses like 'if you play it x way', how bout i just play and see how long it takes me? Most people playing it to progress rather than wonder or play slowly artificially extending game time do not rep the norm. baldur's gate 3 had a certain playtime and i passed it and still in act 2, does it mean the average time was wrong? no. 30 bucks for phantom liberty versus this, not even close. stop making excuses for betehsda, are yall the fans they say that love it and reason for them never improving?
what hurt Starfield the most imo is the writing and questing, it's just tedious and really boring
The problem for me is that I'm still playing Starfield. I can't stand face to face bland dialogue anymore.
This game is cooked
If the respond to criticism of a game is “you didn’t do all of the side content!” It probably isn’t a great game in the first place. I didn’t do much of the side content for Elden Ring or the DLC. Amazing game. Did one play through of the storyline with some exploring in Ghost of Tsushima. Absolutely got my moneys worth. Played one playthrough of Dead Space. Now it’s one of my favorite games ever. If a game is good enough then the side content should just be an addition to what you’re getting.
Many people were rushing the MQ only so they could review it before others.
@@Augusto9588 I have no doubt that some of the reviewers were just blitzing through everything so they can post the video and get the early viewers.
But most of them probably did what we all do which is a little bit of side stuff along with the main story and still felt like it was too short for the price tag.
@@JaymzGames To be fair, the "side" content is the main content. You buy a game for the whole game; if you're buying a game (especially a Bethesda game) for only the main quest then maybe just avoid Bethesda games.
Bethesda games have usually been praised for their side content, so to ignore that to fire out a review for clicks is kinda just failing to do your job.
Starfield is flawed, but reviewers & content creators need to stick to facts. Making personal opinions clear when they come up. It wasn't that long ago people were fighting against games journalists for this, but now people are happy to accept their favourite content creator doing it.
*"If the respond to criticism of a game is “you didn’t do all of the side content!”"* - I'm not saying that if you criticize the DLC you must have missed the side quests and I feel that's a somewhat unfair characterization of what I said in this video. When I reviewed the game and discussed playing for 25 hours, some people were a little shocked because they believed there was only 6 hours of content. This video is just clearing up the confusion.
@@VenomGamingCenter Where did I say that?
I just said if you buy a game from a developer, who is predominantly praised for their side content, then don't be surprised when the best parts of the game are in the side content. In the same way I wouldn't buy a game from a developer who is known for making good multiplayer games and complaining that the game focuses on multiplayer.
Followed by saying, if you don't actually play the content of the game you're reviewing, then you're not doing your job as a reviewer.
So where did I dismiss criticism? Me asking for reviewers to stick to facts and to declare their biases/personal opinions? That literally applies to all games, and all content creators. And quite frankly, it's the bare minimum we should all expect.
I played the DLC recently as someone that skips dialog but does not rush, it took me roughly 9 hours to finish main quest and all side quests.
Beth is dead.
This DLC is competing with Phantom Liberty for $30USD. I expect more than a few hours of a boring campaign and a couple reskinned weapons.
The size of both DLCs isn't that different btw. Phantom Liberty has roughly 30 hours of content for the average player from what i read.
Many people attribute many of the changes that came with 2.0 to Phantom Liberty, which was released a few days before PL.
@@Augusto9588 My left nut "it isn't that different". Shattered Space feels like a ripped out strip of base game content that should have been there since release.
Also, nothing you said changes the fact that Shattered Space feels like nothing more than a series of boring faction quests.
@@TheTundraTerror Why did you cut "The size" from the quote? So you could move the goalpost, of course. Besides, nothing you said makes any sense.
Again, both DLCs are very similar in size, PL is only a little bigger.
edit: Also, you suggested below that Shattered Space has nothing outside of the MQ, which is simply a straight up lie.
I'm sorry but are you saying Shattered Space contains 4 hours of dialogue on the main quest alone? Cause that seems absurdly high. Reading problems high.
I mean I can spend 50 hours in a 10 hour content wise game but I wouldn't go around telling people it's 50 hours of content, so play time can vary drasticly but 5 to 9 hours seems like more a playstyle gap and not a mere dialogue skipping one...
To put this 4 hours into perspective, the entire blood and wine DLC, you know the last Witcher DLC that's hailed as one of the greatest DLC's ever it's entire dialogue/cutscenes is 6 hours and 45 minutes. For something that legit takes dozens of hours to finish, no way Shattered Space with it's 30% positive reviews on steam has 4-5 hours of dialogue just on the main quest, talk about bullshit!
Side locations and side quests in Shattered space should take around 25 to 35 hours. Main quest is 5 to 10 hours depending on how fast you skip the dialogues.
@@foxmulder7436 Again with this 'dialogue skipping line'.
Let's be real 5 hours of purely main quest dialogue seems absurdly high, like straight up impossibly high.
@@tobiasL1991 no its very believable. I typically skip at least half or 2/3d of the audio because I read the dialogue ahead. Finished main quest in around 6 or 7 hours.
For the record, Andreja alone has over 30 minutes of new dialogue in Shattered space.
@@foxmulder7436 Yeah that's not very concincing, she's literally the most intertwined companion.
Not to mention that would make dialogue almost half of the entire gameplay length of the main quest, which is just not common.
@@tobiasL1991 dialogue does indeed take a lot of time, especially considering all options, which are sometimes not accessible depending on certain choice. Action sequences are either moving to locations (can equate to mere minutes) or combat (largely depends on difficulty, perparation, player skills etc). Fast travel use, skipping random encounters can also dramatically reduce the "moving to location" sequences.
There are many hours of recorded dialogue, but most people wont hear all of it or even most of it due to skipping, not selecting all optional lines and lines locked behind certain choices.
A good exemple of people usually skipping dialogue content are the 2 companions. Bunch of day 1 reviews specify that there are no new companions in Shattered space, while the 2 actual companions are literally part of the main questline.
Games awful and I'm sick of people defending it.
...in your opinion. And as far as opinions go, a lot like arseholes, everyone has one.
@@dexterfinch8321 Tell me for one second truthfully that it has the magic or depth or is as fun as Fallout or Skyrim, I doubt you can. It's a soulless loading screen simulator.
@@MrLightstudios To me it has more magic and depth than Fallout 4, which was an action game btw, and not even an RPG.
In what way was I defending it in this video?
@@GophersVids the comment wasn’t aimed at you, I meant in general I’ve seen a number of people excusing starfield, I saw a few people in these comments doing just that hence why I made my comment.
I didn't buy it, or the base game and I'm glad I didn't after watching all the playthrough and reviews.
No new character, no new features, Anjya has no specific conversation, even though she is back on her home planet., and I have a strong feeling it's cut content, because of how little of the race was mentioned in the main game that didn't have any conclusion. It was the same with the tracker missions. Barely fleshed out, then, miraculously, more quests became available through paid DLC, again, giving the feeling of cut content!
It's just more of the same, bland, boring and definitely not worth $30
The combat, dungeons and singular map with high density are unlike everything else in Starfield.
@@VenomGamingCenter Best dungeons, action and boss fights out of all single player bethesda games. By far
@@VenomGamingCenter Its still the best action content out of all bethesda games, no matter how much you copy/paste that sentence, seems like you don't have an original thought in your head
Does the duration matter when its attached to this diagusting excuse of a game?
It matters when it comes to giving people factual information with which to make their own minds up.
diagusting? The average level of intelligence from a Starfield hater.
If it's bad then why the need to lie about it? Just tell the truth then.
DLC is trash compared to their previous work and their competitor Phantom liberty.
It has the best dungeons and combat encounters out of all single player Betheda games. Quantity of content is on par or higher with the largest previous DLCs like far harbor.
@@foxmulder7436 Keep coping. Fans like yourself deserve to have ES6 be a flop. Hopefully, the love of your corp pays off.
@@what-oy8il I take you have no idea what you're talking about. Shattered space has a similar amount of locations compared to far harbor and much larger dungeons with much better hostile encounters.
@@foxmulder7436he won’t reply back. Their only response is “keep coping”. Trust me on this. He knows he’s wrong and he knows he’s just a follower.
“Keep coping” and other name calling is the only response he’ll have from now on.