It's eerie when you hear 4014 rapid-fire whistling and you know what that whistle signal means, especially when you've never heard that whistle signal in a real life situation before.
david whiting never have heard it and didn’t know what it meant... but it don’t take a surgeon to figure it out.... I rode with my uncle years ago in the engine and He used to get so mad at kids who would bridge jump at the last minute in front of us... I can only imagine Big Boy was MAAADDDD!
Only other time I've heard that signal, I was the one blowing it. The air controls on the steam wrecker I was running (SPMW 7020) suddenly stopped working when I had a load on the hooks hanging in midair.
I was standing about 50 yards down from where 4014 finally came to a stop, and witnessed the whole thing. A group of teenaged girls was standing very close to the tracks, with their backs turned to the train, doing the selfie thing as it approached. They were ignoring the verbal warnings of others nearby.
I gotta say that chasing the 4014 across Iowa was one of the most memorable experiences of my life. I'm glad the Union Pacific has brought the 4014 back to life.
kingofatlantistv lady was struck and killed by 844 by being too close to the tracks without realizing it. (Wanted and up close shot of it rolling by) i think the drone footage of it is still up on here somewhere. Thats when they really started enforcing the 25feet away thing
Ignoring the idiot that caused the emergency stop, I just wanted to compliment your camera work and soundtrack. First rate work you have here. Good job!
I have a feeling that many people believe that Trains only run between the Rails,and that they don't overhang the Rails. 4014 is so extra-wide that when they went to the Golden-Spike 150th Anniversary in May,the Union Pacific was doing-track work along the way,and Ed Dickin's had to stop the 4014 and have the track-crews move some rocks that they put to close to the tracks.
4014 rapidly whistle when it was passing through Hesperia,CA on the 9th this month and already knew why he was blasting that whistle, Why can't people just follow the rules of the rails & just step back, A photo ain't worth your life.
The event you saw here was triggered by a group of selfie-obsessed teenaged girls standing too close, with their backs turned to the train. You can be sure they are NOT railfans, and no railroad safety messaging is going to reach them.
I've been rail fanning since I was 5 but an incident where a chap was beheaded by couplers in that 1st year has stayed with me. Trains are fun but they will kill the unwary.
Very Nice Camera work, I really enjoyed this! If anyone was wondering, The Rapid series of short toots is a warning signal. Sadly, many people mistake it for a whistle show or salute, but no. It tells people to GET OFF THE TRACKS!!!!!!!!!
Worked for 40 years at the KCS railroad. Shop laborer, carman, and finally, conductor. It never ceased to amaze me at the stupidity of people testing the waters!!!!
A whistle can be used to salute others and can be used for fun But let’s not forget their intended purpose is to warn others that it’s coming. So whenever you hear the sound of the whistle, move out of the way, it’ll save your life.
I was wondering why it was a little late to picacho this morning where I was waiting for it. Such a shame that stupid people ruin it for everyone in picacho this morning some idiot climbed to the top of a signal tower and stood there for an hour until a UPRR police officer showed up and told him to get off. They give responsible railfanning a bad name.
I imagine Ed tore them a new one and probably had them carted off. It's not just 25' from the train, but the tracks. People forget trains can't move around you and can't stop quickly.
With Ed being a former Marine, albeit a soft spoken one, I can definitely imagine the more then choice words he would give one of these fools that like to risk their lives. If it were me, I'd have someone come out of the cab with me to record me blowing my top at said fools, just to prove a point. Some lessons *NEED* to be hard taught like that.
If the idiots of the world want to see the underside of a big steam locomotive so bad, they should go to the California State Railroad Museum in Sacramento, California, where they have these trenches under some of their locomotive displays, which allow people to walk under the locomotive. It's been a while since I was there, but I think I remember the Southern Pacific Cab Forward display, having something like that.
Even standing a safe distance away at a photo run for a smaller excursion steamer, when the train roared by the loud rumble really really shook the ground. Why would any sensible person stand dangerously close.? You can get a more comprehensive picture standing a couple more feet back. Unless someone tries to block you by standing in front of you so they can a "better" shot of course.
That video was haunting, I doubt I'll ever forget it. I've had to go around the crossbars a few times since seeing it because they'd malfunctioned, and it made me horribly nervous even though I could clearly see there were no trains coming. I think it'd be a very good idea to bring the program back.
It's not even railfans that are the demographic of concern as much as it thr average Jors and their kids. Those are the numbskull shit for brains that cause things like what happened with #844 last year to happen.
Operation Lifesaver is still in operation and active all over the country. Your second point is well taken. Manabí - it remains against the law to go around crossing gates when they are down. It is permitted, though not advised, that you may cross the tracks where there are flashing lights only provided that it is safe to do so.
imagine be hit by the big boy, poor Ed Dickens, he awalys had this problems, i wanna know how he is after the UP 844 hit that lady, i have a quit of sure he almost cried
when 4014 went thru Rochelle Ill. there were folks that just waddled across the tracks as it came into to, luckily it wasn`t moving fast, should let the darwin awards happen
That's because that's an emergency whistle code. You really shouldn't hear that kind of whistling because it means there's something or someone ahead that could be hurt or worse I'd imagine 844 did the same thing two summers ago when she actually did hit someone.
@@russellgxy2905 The dumb bitch was on the fireman's side, so I doubt Ed could tell if she maybe stepper off at the last second (which she didn't). Plus, he was blowing for a crossing, so he probably couldn't hear anything from his crew.
While I was on 4501 in Chattanooga, some idiot actually pulled out in front of us on purpose, waited there, then flipped the train off. Train didn’t stop. Just a nice whistle to the face
I have seen many people do this watching 4014 this year (check out videos of Harriman in May). If you would talk to these people (like I have) you would know most of them are the general public that has ZERO knowledge of railroads. "Foamers" as you like to call them at least have a understanding of railroad safety
@@308RoadReady As a true railfan, I take the term "foamer" as an insult. As in , foaming at the mouth. I see foamers as the idiots on the tracks who have no idea of the dangers. Railfans love trains but understand the dangers involved.
Hey folks, don't ruin it for everyone else, because you think you are entitled to the money shot. I want to be able to see this train when it is scheduled to come through Oklahoma. Besides I have been following steam program for years. Long before Ed was managing things and especially the entire journey of the Big Boy from before restoration, to date. Moreover, I would like to see both on a more regularly basis, so don't be ignorant. The tracks are private property and it's the law it's have to stay back 25 feet from the tracks. You can be fined or arrested for trespassing.
It's funny how simple the safety rule really is: the distance of a rail crossing marking (gate, warning light pole, or simple sign) should be considered the minimum safe distance from an operating train. It's literally the purpose of those items.
It's always nauseating to me to see all of the Foamer comments on a post like this. Just FYI, I'm pretty sure that the crew on the 4014 hates Foamers juat as much as the rest of us RR'ers
And true railfans hate "foamers" also. Theres a big difference between those of us who enjoy trains while understanding the danger, and the morons who think theyre big toys.
@storm14k, a foamer is a derogatory term for overzealous railfans. The term originated on the Western Pacific, because crews would see these railfans wade into the Feather River to get shots of WP trains, because the river appeared to have foam on it, the railfans standing in it were given the name "foamer",
Ok, so this explains why #4014 was a little late getting into Tucson the other day. I was talking with another fellow rail fan a he told me of this incident.
No, they don't smother the fire. They converted 4014 to oil so when Ed went to stop her, he shut the throttle. That would severely drop the amount of air flowing through the fire box not giving the oil enough air to burn properly making it smoke like that.
You know if the Union Pacific steam program gets shut down because of people like this well then I just don’t know what to say I’m just a teenager but I love steam locomotives and I’ve seen the big boy and 844 in action and if the program got shut down I would be extremely sad yes it probably will come to an end one day but if it happens while I’m young because someone wanted to get a “really good shot” while standing on the tracks with a train doing 60 mph and got hit oooo I would be so freaking mad because of one person that had to get a good picture we no longer get to enjoy these giants of the rails because they got hit shaking my head
Out of curiosity, what was all that water coming out of a line just forward of the second set of cylinders for. I've never seen that before. Was it some kind of overflow?
Yeah. Repeatedly whistling is a standard whistle signal to alert someone on the ground to get out of the way. Used both for people and animals who are too close to the track.
I think People were in the way of the track. The excessive whistling was to warn the people on the tracks to move but they didn’t so they just stopped.
Plus if it wasn't an emergency, why use that specific whistle signal? You can even see when the crew dumped the air and slammed the throttle shut to stop the train (that huge plume of black smoke is what happens when there's a sudden increase in the amount of fuel in the firebox. Oil burners are fired by a constant spray of oil into the firebox which is ignited by the burner, and the fireman adjusts the amount of the oil being sprayed into the firebox based on how hard the engineer is working the engine and also based on the color of the smoke coming out of the stack, black meaning there's too much oil and white or clear meaning there's not enough. In the video you will see 4014 let out this huge cloud of black smoke starting around 1:08 which is just after the engineer finishes the emergency whistle code and lets out one long whistle. It's at this point that the engineer has closed the throttle and puts on the brakes so he isn't working the engine any more, and because of this sudden change in the throttle the fire momentarily had too much oil in it and the fireman had to quickly adjust his oil regulator and his atomizer to compensate).
That is not what a planned stop looks or sounds like. Ideally you slowly reduce throttle until youre nearly stopped (don't coast a steamer). The throttle was abruptly closed here, which is only done to prevent an accident.
While this is not related, it may be why CSX won’t have steam running on their tracks, out of fear of this... (I live in Maryland, near CSX track...) :(
I'm wondering if GS-4 steam locomotive 4449 ever uses her steam whistle or her Leslie A-200 air horn in an emergency situation to tell everyone to get off of the tracks & out of her way. Oh yeah in this situation while 4014 was leaving Casa Grande, Arizona he was definitely mad. Here's what I think 4014's emergency whistle is saying. Get-the-hell-off-of-the-tracks-&-get-the-hell-out-of-my-way-now-or-you're-gonna-get-hit.
It sickens me when someone so stupid can ruin it for the rest of us. I saw the 4014 twice in Utah; in May and October. Law enforcement and RR personnel Everywhere at/near stops keeping Idiots away from dangers that we intelligent fans can easily see, but apparently Not obvious to brain donors. 4014 needs our help to protect this miracle on the rails.
I am a train driver from Australia and I understood the Emergency Whistle Code straightaway. I have often wondered if the amount of Whistling that American Drivers must comply with, has in fact had the Opposite effect. When We approach a leveling crossing here in Australia, it's 1 continuous whistle for approximately 2 - 3seconds long. Then if we have an any other reason to use the whistle such as an emergency it can be a continuous whistle or a series of whistles such as was the case in the video. Finally in built up areas we have very little public access with fencing and cameras. So think yourselves lucky to be that close to any train let alone the most Awesome of Locomotives.
Supply electricity to passenger cars lights, heat, AC, and kitchen's electric appliances. In the old days, the steam locomotive supplied steam for heat in passenger cars.
@@Texassince1836 dont think range is the problem since they burn oil that is everywhere for the diesels and they have two extra water tenders behind 4014 also they dont run nearly at full power
@@the_retag There was just a problem the other day where they had a valve go bad, and they were leaking water. They stopped in a small town that didn’t want to give them the water. Then they almost had a low water situation, and guess what? The diesel was there to push them to Shreveport. If it wasn’t, the single track would’ve been clogged up for hours. It’s there for electric power for the cars, dynamic braking, and as a back up, as seen the other day. It doesn’t push at all, its not good for steam engines to run light long term, they need a load.
There was no emergency stop. I don't think they even applied the service brakes let alone put it into emergency as I didn't hear any brake exhaust or squealing from the train cars. It looks like the engineer closed the throttle and laid on the horn until the idiot moved out of the way. The black smoke occurred when the throttle was reopened and draft through the firebox was reestablished. It also appears the run by and the shot with the train starting from a standstill were at two different locations. In the run by there were three tracksin the shot with a cut of tankcars sitting on the leftmost track in the distance. In the stationary shot there are only two tracks and no tankcars in view.
Well if someone was nearly hit after all that whistling it just shows how effective the whistle is. Only blow the bloody thing when it's necessary and then maybe they'll take notice!
What it means is that people are too stupid to understand that whistling means to get out of the way... It doesnt matter how much you blow the whistle, you cant fix stupid.
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Hearing a rapid fire horn/whistle is extremely scary. Especially if it isn’t the first time you’ve heard it. It just sends chills down your spine.
It's eerie when you hear 4014 rapid-fire whistling and you know what that whistle signal means, especially when you've never heard that whistle signal in a real life situation before.
david whiting never have heard it and didn’t know what it meant... but it don’t take a surgeon to figure it out.... I rode with my uncle years ago in the engine and He used to get so mad at kids who would bridge jump at the last minute in front of us... I can only imagine Big Boy was MAAADDDD!
Only other time I've heard that signal, I was the one blowing it. The air controls on the steam wrecker I was running (SPMW 7020) suddenly stopped working when I had a load on the hooks hanging in midair.
They have heard it before, it just sounds very different on modern locomotives.
I’ve heard it. It’s a very freaky situation even if your not in it.
I hate the modern air horns - but I will say they get your attention better in an emergency situation.
I was standing about 50 yards down from where 4014 finally came to a stop, and witnessed the whole thing. A group of teenaged girls was standing very close to the tracks, with their backs turned to the train, doing the selfie thing as it approached. They were ignoring the verbal warnings of others nearby.
What did Ed Dickens say? I imagine he was not happy LOL
Wow
I gotta say that chasing the 4014 across Iowa was one of the most memorable experiences of my life. I'm glad the Union Pacific has brought the 4014 back to life.
Me to I never thought I would ever get to see it. Dream come true
Welcome to my town. Yeah, we don't get much action around here, and everyone's IQ is measured using fingers. Lucky ones have to take off their shoes.
lmaooo
I’m still amazed at how many people haven’t learned from the 844 incident last year.
David Ng 😨the what
@@mistermadmachine6311 844 slammed into someone last year and it killed them
What happened ?????
kingofatlantistv lady was struck and killed by 844 by being too close to the tracks without realizing it. (Wanted and up close shot of it rolling by) i think the drone footage of it is still up on here somewhere. Thats when they really started enforcing the 25feet away thing
Don't be amazed be the utter stupidity of people.
This Is why we can't have nice things.
Ignoring the idiot that caused the emergency stop, I just wanted to compliment your camera work and soundtrack. First rate work you have here. Good job!
Who got hit? I didn’t see anyone.
@@DanTDMJace Back in 2018, a woman was killed by 844 because she stayed too close to the tracks.
I have a feeling that many people believe that Trains only run between the Rails,and that they don't overhang the Rails. 4014 is so extra-wide that when they went to the Golden-Spike 150th Anniversary in May,the Union Pacific was doing-track work along the way,and Ed Dickin's had to stop the 4014 and have the track-crews move some rocks that they put to close to the tracks.
I remember the 4014 doing maybe 10-15 mph at one point in Echo Canyon, UT. Cue the logjam on westbound I-80.
There's always that one Moron that ruins it for everyone.
I did provide some good footage though. I'm still sad that people are Soo stupid!
As an Arizonan I'm sorry we broke your train.
How close does he need to get? Big boy is pretty big.
remember boys, the whistle isn't a hello, it's a "move or get moved"
Whistle.
It's not an atraction to say "Hi there"
It's a warning to advert "Beware"
I’m honestly glad 4014 was restored. Us rail fans here in Pennsylvania are still waiting for news on the restoration of PRR 1361.
Be safe. Remember Ed has a megaphone in the cab with him. Don’t make him use it. Stay 25ft from the tracks.
And I heard him use it once but not at me I know better
4014 rapidly whistle when it was passing through Hesperia,CA on the 9th this month and already knew why he was blasting that whistle, Why can't people just follow the rules of the rails & just step back, A photo ain't worth your life.
The event you saw here was triggered by a group of selfie-obsessed teenaged girls standing too close, with their backs turned to the train. You can be sure they are NOT railfans, and no railroad safety messaging is going to reach them.
I've been rail fanning since I was 5 but an incident where a chap was beheaded by couplers in that 1st year has stayed with me. Trains are fun but they will kill the unwary.
I agree, we don't need a 4014 accident
The person it almost hit just wanted to be remembered as 'The Idiot that Died by 4014'!
Or they could say "trespassed onto U.P property" or something, idk I'm still learning
The guy who got utterly clapped by the big lad
“4014 is cool enough that I don’t care if it kills me.”
I wouldn't blame the operator if he flipped off the person on the track
Ed has been known to do that before.
Here’s an example: m.th-cam.com/video/AT9j2oK2Utg/w-d-xo.html
If he had to stop, he might as well get out and beat someone's a$$.
...yaa...with the ftont plow scraper...
@@danw6014 I'd LOVE to see that! Idiots gettin' the shit kicked out of 'em is SO satisfying!
Ed is a great man. Bet in is own nice way gave that person an ear full. Not first time this year
Jeez. The description is right. the closest Iv'e ever been to a train is at least 10 feet away, but even then I felt unsafe.
If you feel unsafe being somewhere, its probably not a place you should be in.
These idiots should be arrested. If you're on the tracks, you're trespassing!
The sound of a steam engine is a living real sound. It’s alive.
I find it weird in a situation like "Someone nearly died. The engineers must have been sweating their butts out. Let's take a family photo"
According to that whistle I think Ed a little pissed!
Emergency stops aren't to be taken lightly in a steamer like in a Diesel.
Mark Stephen..... Maybe he was, but rapid, short bursts on the whistle (or horns, on a diesel) is protocol in an emergency warning situation.
Very Nice Camera work, I really enjoyed this! If anyone was wondering, The Rapid series of short toots is a warning signal. Sadly, many people mistake it for a whistle show or salute, but no. It tells people to GET OFF THE TRACKS!!!!!!!!!
Worked for 40 years at the KCS railroad. Shop laborer, carman, and finally, conductor. It never ceased to amaze me at the stupidity of people testing the waters!!!!
i remember seeing a steam locomotive at a museum before. i never fully realized the scale until i saw the piston almost taller than my head
What kind of idiot do you have to be to stand in front of 1.5 million pounds of steel and think"oh it can't hurt me"
In this episode, selfie-obsessed teenaged girls, oblivious to reality.
@@RickyJr46 ?
A whistle can be used to salute others and can be used for fun
But let’s not forget their intended purpose is to warn others that it’s coming. So whenever you hear the sound of the whistle, move out of the way, it’ll save your life.
SMH I feel like things have gotten better since the Ogden trip this spring but people really need to use their brains.
Railfan Brothers what brains? Had a couple argue with a Union Pacific employee on where they can sit/stand to watch 4014 in Omaha earlier this yr
Most people don't have brains
@@coryhoover01 No theres just the 10 %ers, thats what my Dad called those idiots but I think that % has gone way up!
Some don't have brains to use
I was wondering why it was a little late to picacho this morning where I was waiting for it. Such a shame that stupid people ruin it for everyone in picacho this morning some idiot climbed to the top of a signal tower and stood there for an hour until a UPRR police officer showed up and told him to get off. They give responsible railfanning a bad name.
i was there and saw it!
Was it an older guy who falls into the "average Joe" category?
My god he laid down on that horn as if a school bus was stuck on the track!
Whistle. Diesels have horns
@@SOU3118 and Foamers have foam...frothy foam
Save one life, save the world entire.
That deep Hancock 3 Chime whistle repeating that much that fast, as well as that final extra long blow is horrifying. Don't be stupid.
I imagine Ed tore them a new one and probably had them carted off. It's not just 25' from the train, but the tracks. People forget trains can't move around you and can't stop quickly.
With Ed being a former Marine, albeit a soft spoken one, I can definitely imagine the more then choice words he would give one of these fools that like to risk their lives. If it were me, I'd have someone come out of the cab with me to record me blowing my top at said fools, just to prove a point. Some lessons *NEED* to be hard taught like that.
a million pounds of steel rolling towards you... let me get just a bit closer
yeah, it's a big locomotive.
If the idiots of the world want to see the underside of a big steam locomotive so bad, they should go to the California State Railroad Museum in Sacramento, California, where they have these trenches under some of their locomotive displays, which allow people to walk under the locomotive.
It's been a while since I was there, but I think I remember the Southern Pacific Cab Forward display, having something like that.
Yes what an amazing museum maybe 4014 will head west someday
Or go to Steamtown in Scranton, PA. There's a Big Boy (4012?) out on display next to the parking lot.
So cool to see the Big boy in action
Blow down the cylinders that will move them back
you might be on to something there
😂
Not a bad idea
The whistle pattern no railfanner wants to hear
Who on Earth would stand so close to the tracks? Especially when it's a big boy coming down them?
Only a mindless idiot would
Even standing a safe distance away at a photo run for a smaller excursion steamer, when the train roared by the loud rumble really really shook the ground. Why would any sensible person stand dangerously close.? You can get a more comprehensive picture standing a couple more feet back. Unless someone tries to block you by standing in front of you so they can a "better" shot of course.
I still remember watching the video of the most ever famous Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive. Especially between Denver CO and Cheyenne WY.
I think we need to start Operation Lifesaver again. Or just, a mass safety campaign period, specifically aimed at railfans.
That video was haunting, I doubt I'll ever forget it. I've had to go around the crossbars a few times since seeing it because they'd malfunctioned, and it made me horribly nervous even though I could clearly see there were no trains coming. I think it'd be a very good idea to bring the program back.
It's not even railfans that are the demographic of concern as much as it thr average Jors and their kids. Those are the numbskull shit for brains that cause things like what happened with #844 last year to happen.
Operation Lifesaver is still in operation and active all over the country. Your second point is well taken. Manabí - it remains against the law to go around crossing gates when they are down. It is permitted, though not advised, that you may cross the tracks where there are flashing lights only provided that it is safe to do so.
I am a rail fan and ex-FA enthusiast and I can say that sounds like a fire alarm on March Time (MT)
imagine be hit by the big boy, poor Ed Dickens, he awalys had this problems, i wanna know how he is after the UP 844 hit that lady, i have a quit of sure he almost cried
when 4014 went thru Rochelle Ill. there were folks that just waddled across the tracks as it came into to, luckily it wasn`t moving fast, should let the darwin awards happen
1:00 I’ve never heard a bout of whistling like that before
It means it is an emergency stop and to alert any people ahead to get out of the way while slowing down as fast and safety as possible.
That's because that's an emergency whistle code. You really shouldn't hear that kind of whistling because it means there's something or someone ahead that could be hurt or worse
I'd imagine 844 did the same thing two summers ago when she actually did hit someone.
Danger whistles are that way so it gets attention vs the regular cadence blows
@@russellgxy2905 The dumb bitch was on the fireman's side, so I doubt Ed could tell if she maybe stepper off at the last second (which she didn't). Plus, he was blowing for a crossing, so he probably couldn't hear anything from his crew.
@@darkpepsi is there a specific name for this code of whistle blows?
While I was on 4501 in Chattanooga, some idiot actually pulled out in front of us on purpose, waited there, then flipped the train off. Train didn’t stop. Just a nice whistle to the face
Was that on this past Saturday?
Like the parked old Chevrolet (looks like a 1955). Makes a fine bookend for the steam locomotive.
succession of short sounds : To be sounded when approaching people or animals on or about the tracks.
Foamers man, what can I say. They always ruin everything unfortunately.
I have seen many people do this watching 4014 this year (check out videos of Harriman in May). If you would talk to these people (like I have) you would know most of them are the general public that has ZERO knowledge of railroads. "Foamers" as you like to call them at least have a understanding of railroad safety
@@308RoadReady Amen.
@@308RoadReady /r/whoooosh
@@308RoadReady As a true railfan, I take the term "foamer" as an insult. As in , foaming at the mouth. I see foamers as the idiots on the tracks who have no idea of the dangers. Railfans love trains but understand the dangers involved.
Hey folks, don't ruin it for everyone else, because you think you are entitled to the money shot. I want to be able to see this train when it is scheduled to come through Oklahoma. Besides I have been following steam program for years. Long before Ed was managing things and especially the entire journey of the Big Boy from before restoration, to date. Moreover, I would like to see both on a more regularly basis, so don't be ignorant. The tracks are private property and it's the law it's have to stay back 25 feet from the tracks. You can be fined or arrested for trespassing.
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I saw this train in Mariana AZ today it was ear punching loud
Yeah, buddy!
It's funny how simple the safety rule really is: the distance of a rail crossing marking (gate, warning light pole, or simple sign) should be considered the minimum safe distance from an operating train. It's literally the purpose of those items.
It's always nauseating to me to see all of the Foamer comments on a post like this. Just FYI, I'm pretty sure that the crew on the 4014 hates Foamers juat as much as the rest of us RR'ers
And true railfans hate "foamers" also. Theres a big difference between those of us who enjoy trains while understanding the danger, and the morons who think theyre big toys.
What's a foamer?
@storm14k, a foamer is a derogatory term for overzealous railfans. The term originated on the Western Pacific, because crews would see these railfans wade into the Feather River to get shots of WP trains, because the river appeared to have foam on it, the railfans standing in it were given the name "foamer",
Man u get hit by that boy there won't be anything but pieces of you left. You would think we were in ashland 😁
Ok, so this explains why #4014 was a little late getting into Tucson the other day. I was talking with another fellow rail fan a he told me of this incident.
You just can't fix stupid.
What is the big cloud of smoke? Do they smother the fire?
No, they don't smother the fire. They converted 4014 to oil so when Ed went to stop her, he shut the throttle. That would severely drop the amount of air flowing through the fire box not giving the oil enough air to burn properly making it smoke like that.
You know if the Union Pacific steam program gets shut down because of people like this well then I just don’t know what to say I’m just a teenager but I love steam locomotives and I’ve seen the big boy and 844 in action and if the program got shut down I would be extremely sad yes it probably will come to an end one day but if it happens while I’m young because someone wanted to get a “really good shot” while standing on the tracks with a train doing 60 mph and got hit oooo I would be so freaking mad because of one person that had to get a good picture we no longer get to enjoy these giants of the rails because they got hit shaking my head
this would explain why the UP cops were out in force farther down the line handing out warnings and tickets like candy that day.
Nice Video! Unfortunately there is always one or two idiots out there ruining it for everybody.
I can only imagine the stopping distance for a big boy at speed... even with the brakes dumped running light I'm sure it's ridiculous.
Was the diesel electric chaperoning to maintain compressed air and dynamic braking? Still going to take better part of a mile to stop
Air should be no prob for 4014 its made to haul miles of train
Really, ITS THE SIZE OF A HOUSE! You have to be at least a little bit scared of that beast!
Actually, bigger than a house.
This might be a reason NS stopped steam program with NKP 765, just to many idiots and its not worth the trouble
I took pictures of it in my rail yard in El Paso with no one in my way.
It’s not like a train that size could stop on a dime.
From the time they threw the brakes to stop I was impressed... but all the black smoke.. did they lock the drivers?
What happened that caused 4014 to make an emergency stop, Fan Railer?
Out of curiosity, what was all that water coming out of a line just forward of the second set of cylinders for. I've never seen that before. Was it some kind of overflow?
overflow for the exhaust steam injector
That's why he keep wistle continuosly? It's for an emergency?
Yeah. Repeatedly whistling is a standard whistle signal to alert someone on the ground to get out of the way. Used both for people and animals who are too close to the track.
The continuous whistle is for people to get the hell out of the way. When he kept rapidly blowing it like that, that means an emergency stop
Really nice whistle salute at 0:50. Was he trying to play jingle bells? Also, what was the reason for the emergency stop?
I think People were in the way of the track. The excessive whistling was to warn the people on the tracks to move but they didn’t so they just stopped.
So the black smoke.....you think he went full reverse and full throttle to try and stop?
While hunting Mud hens along the rail tracks those engines can sneak up on you with their shimmering front light.
No emergency stop. A railway worker told us they were waiting for the line to clear. It was 45min late getting to Eloy
Not what I heard on the radio in live time LOL.
Plus if it wasn't an emergency, why use that specific whistle signal? You can even see when the crew dumped the air and slammed the throttle shut to stop the train (that huge plume of black smoke is what happens when there's a sudden increase in the amount of fuel in the firebox. Oil burners are fired by a constant spray of oil into the firebox which is ignited by the burner, and the fireman adjusts the amount of the oil being sprayed into the firebox based on how hard the engineer is working the engine and also based on the color of the smoke coming out of the stack, black meaning there's too much oil and white or clear meaning there's not enough. In the video you will see 4014 let out this huge cloud of black smoke starting around 1:08 which is just after the engineer finishes the emergency whistle code and lets out one long whistle. It's at this point that the engineer has closed the throttle and puts on the brakes so he isn't working the engine any more, and because of this sudden change in the throttle the fire momentarily had too much oil in it and the fireman had to quickly adjust his oil regulator and his atomizer to compensate).
That is not what a planned stop looks or sounds like.
Ideally you slowly reduce throttle until youre nearly stopped (don't coast a steamer).
The throttle was abruptly closed here, which is only done to prevent an accident.
While this is not related, it may be why CSX won’t have steam running on their tracks, out of fear of this...
(I live in Maryland, near CSX track...) :(
Did the pedestrian get killed like with the same incident as UP 844 did in 2018?
fortunately no
@@FanRailer Thank goodness!
I'm wondering if GS-4 steam locomotive 4449 ever uses her steam whistle or her Leslie A-200 air horn in an emergency situation to tell everyone to get off of the tracks & out of her way.
Oh yeah in this situation while 4014 was leaving Casa Grande, Arizona he was definitely mad.
Here's what I think 4014's emergency whistle is saying. Get-the-hell-off-of-the-tracks-&-get-the-hell-out-of-my-way-now-or-you're-gonna-get-hit.
It sickens me when someone so stupid can ruin it for the rest of us. I saw the 4014 twice in Utah; in May and October. Law enforcement and RR personnel Everywhere at/near stops keeping Idiots away from dangers that we intelligent fans can easily see, but apparently Not obvious to brain donors. 4014 needs our help to protect this miracle on the rails.
Geez; you just can't fix stupid! Hope 4014 heads to the PNW!
One big beautiful beast
Especially the death of the steam program. We have a lot of people, not very many steam engines.
I am a train driver from Australia and I understood the Emergency Whistle Code straightaway. I have often wondered if the amount of Whistling that American Drivers must comply with, has in fact had the Opposite effect. When We approach a leveling crossing here in Australia, it's 1 continuous whistle for approximately 2 - 3seconds long. Then if we have an any other reason to use the whistle such as an emergency it can be a continuous whistle or a series of whistles such as was the case in the video. Finally in built up areas we have very little public access with fencing and cameras. So think yourselves lucky to be that close to any train let alone the most Awesome of Locomotives.
Head to Melbourne. Lots of areas completely unfenced in the suburban area, although that is gradually improving.
People don't understand the draft heavy vehicles can have and draw them into them, thats why the 25 feet rule.
I swear, if these fans had common sense they'd use a camera mount instead of risking life and limb just for a photo.
Rail roads should not be held accountable.
Where's the police when you need them to arrest those people?
They got it to stop. Otherwise that guy and his kids wouldn't have gotten that cool picture with 4014.
What is the reason for the bells on trains? Tradition?
Auxiliary warning device.
Audible warning without blowing the horn
What's with the Diesel Electric locomotive in the lineup?
Surely it wasn't needed to assist with so few cars.
What "emergency stop"?
Oh it is there for dynamic braking and to supply wifi and other communications for the crew and passengers.
Dynamic braking, range assist (adding gas milage, since fuel and water stops are few and far between).
Supply electricity to passenger cars lights, heat, AC, and kitchen's electric appliances. In the old days, the steam locomotive supplied steam for heat in passenger cars.
@@Texassince1836 dont think range is the problem since they burn oil that is everywhere for the diesels and they have two extra water tenders behind 4014 also they dont run nearly at full power
@@the_retag There was just a problem the other day where they had a valve go bad, and they were leaking water. They stopped in a small town that didn’t want to give them the water. Then they almost had a low water situation, and guess what? The diesel was there to push them to Shreveport. If it wasn’t, the single track would’ve been clogged up for hours. It’s there for electric power for the cars, dynamic braking, and as a back up, as seen the other day. It doesn’t push at all, its not good for steam engines to run light long term, they need a load.
There was no emergency stop. I don't think they even applied the service brakes let alone put it into emergency as I didn't hear any brake exhaust or squealing from the train cars. It looks like the engineer closed the throttle and laid on the horn until the idiot moved out of the way. The black smoke occurred when the throttle was reopened and draft through the firebox was reestablished. It also appears the run by and the shot with the train starting from a standstill were at two different locations. In the run by there were three tracksin the shot with a cut of tankcars sitting on the leftmost track in the distance. In the stationary shot there are only two tracks and no tankcars in view.
The stationary shot is the location where the train stopped.... you weren't there; I was, also listening in on the radio transmissions mind you.
The black smoke durring the stop was the throttle being CLOSED faster than the fireman reduced fuel input.
Foamers cannot stay away from the tracks. We need to put a leash on them.
I never get closer than the poles or fences marking how close I can get unless I am crossing the tracks. At a crossing with no trains for example.
STAY BACK 25 FEET WE DONT NEED ANOTHER 844 INCIDENT
How many whistle blasts were there
45
Sadly, that will continue to happen. Hopefully the Texas leg will be uneventful
I pray that the Arkansas-Oklahoma leg will be the same way. And hopefully Ed will let the old Boy go fast on the straightaways like Yermo.
*Flattens drivers in rural east TX town*
where are the bulls when you need them? and why don't I hear a drones bullhorn or warning shots? we don't want a repeat of Henderson please stay back.
Can anyone please tell me what the whistle signal means?
And these people vote !
Put a coal train or a double stack container train on the big boy and show the folks what the 4014 big boy can really do take the passenger cars off
Why takem of theyl just be hauled along with it
3 long, 3 short = SOS
Well if someone was nearly hit after all that whistling it just shows how effective the whistle is. Only blow the bloody thing when it's necessary and then maybe they'll take notice!
What it means is that people are too stupid to understand that whistling means to get out of the way... It doesnt matter how much you blow the whistle, you cant fix stupid.
am i the only one that wants to see someone fly a drone into the smokestack and down into the smoke box with a camera attached to it?
Bless his heart, needs a bath. LOL