What I took from the film is that Kiri has no father. When Grace’s life was unable to be saved, Eywa instead recompensed her life with Kiri. Grace’s avatar was essentially impregnated when it was connected to the Tree as she died. It explains how Kiri is able to do exactly what Eywa does, namely control nature. She’s Eywa’s Avatar in a way.
Regarding the issue of intelligent whales, I've always enjoyed a quote from Douglas Adams Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - "Man has always assumed that he is more intelligent than dolphins because he has achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But, conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man -- for precisely the same reasons."
@@karlwest437 that is a very Human interpretation.... Because humans are arrogant.... Intelligence has nothing to do with accomplishments or physical achievements.... Intelligence is the ability to absorb information.... ability to understand.... We can't physically see a Dolphins intelligence...but those that live interacting with them can feel the intelligence .... In Avatar... they can connect with living beings on a different level ..the bond lets them see eachothers thoughts and feelings.... it's a direct link to the essence of life..... unfortunately we can't make that connection in real Life...which is why only those who spend their lives with these animals are able to experience the intelligence
@@edwinnavedojr they made a fun point about that in the latest season of 'The Orville'. Its also a human flawed logical argument thats used when dominating or colonizing a "lesser" culture. "Oh, you live in mud huts? Well we live in cities and have guns and bombs. You cant be as smart as us because you live in these mud huts so we're going to take over around here 😊" - Colonizer logic
From the Dolphins' perspective, humans are probably weird for wanting to build strange boxes to live in, and swing sticks around. Just because they have no interest in what we prioritize, doesn't make them stupid, they just have different values from us.
@@edwinnavedojr I feel like we’re on the same wavelength! People are inherently greedy and we hoard every resource available including knowledge which turned out to be to our benefit but also lead to acquiring arrogance to measure intelligence by solely using our one dimensional criteria of physical evidence of intelligence. So basically if whales cannot pass SATs, they are dumb 🤦🏼♂️
I personally really loved Neytiri. Zoe Saldana gave a moving performance and watching her go beast mode at the end after her son died was one my favorite scenes in the movie.
Really impressive how James Cameron made me care more about the new characters than the originals👀 Also, the moment that guy's arm was ripped off was nuts. The whole audience gasped
The steel cable tightened around his arm and I'm like no they wouldn't show that... as soon as I formed that thought, boom! Arm ripped off flying through the air. :O
The whales being super smart was genius to me. It just adds to the magic of Pandora. I mean look at the native people…they’re big and blue…look at all the creatures, the plant systems….The plant having extremely smart whales isn’t even a thing that would surprise me.
I agree with this. Especially since marine biologists think that earth’s whales and dolphins are of a similar intelligence to humans as well, with the potential to even feel more and deeper emotions than humans. I think the base of this increased intelligence was shown by the communication between the different species
It definitely took me out of it for like a split second, but like. Our whales and dolphins are very smart. So pandora’s whales being super smart is buyable to me.
Me either. Agreed. She has the weirdest takes. And why is she hating on Sam worthington n James Cameron. But every female actor is amazing?.. ya not obvious at all grace
Grace, I strongly have to disagree on Sam Worthingtons performance. It was confident, well matured compared with the more wild and naive performance of the first film. I think his range of emotion was exactly what it was supposed to be. He needed to be the pillar of his family, someone they can all lean on as fathers be. Not quite sure what else he could have done differently or improve in any way.
I like the fact that the neytiri truly became a wild animal.over her family. Just like the General said she was. Her performance was truly amazing. You go zoe Saldana.
I thought Spider was kinda silly at first, but halfway thru I actually liked that he’s basically Tarzan, born into a world that isn’t his, being a Navi at heart. I also appreciated Kiri’s development, having struggled with seizures myself. There’s still so much that *humans* don’t know about them that I agreed when Grace said that the scientists diagnosing Kiri with epilepsy probably wasn’t accurate, just their way of trying to quantify it bc they still don’t fully understand Eywa or Pandora. Both Kiri and Spider are fascinating characters.
once again I sit here with PADS (Post Avatar Depression Syndrome) the way this movie transported me all over again, is a feeling I will never forget, a stunning achievement across the board. Particular accolades to Zoe Saldana, the energy she carries when she gets on her Banshee to go avenge her son, and the rage she let loose upon the humans, a rage that cost her fathers bow gave me chills.
I cried when Neteyam died. When I think of Avatar: The Way of Water. I don't remember the water scenes or action fights, what really stayed with me was the death of a tulkun and Neteyam. Like those scenes WAS SO PAINFUL FOR ME.
It’s all so phony. None of the characters are real. And the premise of the film respawns them anyway. No one really dies, learns anything or changes. It’s a f’kn video game.
@@fanatiquedisanders6360 : Good be. But there are almost 70 professional reviews of the film saying the same things, but you go ahead and keep telling yourself it’s our fault.
@@zenla1033 We all interpret the films differently, so if you feel that way, okay. If that's how you feel on the film, then that's on you. But I really loved the film, felt relatable in a way, and enjoyed it so much.
@@nohaybandaninguna I’m actually referring to the very last moment where they zoom in on jake sulleys face… the detail and textures they created literally had me convinced that was real footage captured on film.
OMG. Grace there are many forms of intelligence. Of course those Avitar whales can be as intelligent as humans. Just because they don’t write things down or live in a whale house does not mean they lack intelligence. They are just more connected with their environment. They love and feel as have sense of spirituality .
The navi can maybe can conected to them. Its is like you meet justin bieder on the flight and he sings yummy without instromenst , textbook. You would say also "yes he wrote and ing a full song out of his mind" And musik is different on pandora it is not like "nice on earth we had this Hamilton guy he makes musik from the sea to from a watergod on disney chanel "
I watched it in IMAX 3D on opening night and it was the first time since Endgame that the entire cinema was packed! The visuals in this movie are at least 3 levels above anything from Marvel. There is no director out there that does 3D better. This is also one of the rare times where the sequel is much better than the original!
Colonel Quaritch is actually amazing in this Film. I was a major fan of his character in Avatar,and in Avatar 2 he gets a Massive improvement with his character.
@@marcofernando9058 It is for me. I would have liked a 3D documentary with real nature, rather than all of Cameron’s cheezy schmaltz and corn pone. HooRah BS.
@@zenla1033 what I’m saying is that has nothing to do with the point I’m making regarding the intelligence of whales. I’m glad you like whale documentaries I guess 🤷🏻♀️ lol
Definitely a must see. Especially in 3d... out of this world with the the visuals. First movie I have seen since endgame that I will go see a second time in theaters. It was gorgeous. and I liked the story and world building.
I was absolutely stunned to see how spectacular this film looked!!! It was astonishing and the last shot felt so real that I immediately wanted to see the film again
What Neyteri did with Spider was lowkey unforgivable to me - big big Spider fan. Also Sully's treatment of his second eldest really annoyed me. So when his father did the "I see you" at the end, darn it, I chocked up.
I watched the first avatar with my friends and we loved it it was spectacular, and we watched avatar 2 together and we’re fathers now and we got emotional had so much fun it is more than just a movie it’s an event ❤️
I recently watched the original movie, and Unobtainium was a superconductor without being cooled down to insanely cold temperatures, i.e. it is a superconductor at room temperature. They may have a high-tech use for it, but, in theory, they can construct electrical wiring with no energy loss because superconductors have no resistance. It would help quite a bit in our time.
This movie did something I didn’t feel possible.. made me excited to see the 3rd film! I really enjoyed the first film and love my 3D. So of course I was going to watch this movie. But given how long it had taken, I was sceptical. But yes it was a fun “ride” and I would definitely take that ride again.
I fucking loved this movie so deeply. Seeing it with my father will go down as one of the most special experiences of my life. I hope you and your family have a wonderful holiday season
I didn’t see Neytiri wasn’t in the back seat. I think she trusted him as he trusted her. She almost got them kick out the water civilization before Jake calmed her down. But he then says he needs her when it was time to really fight knowing how strong she really is.
My favorite character was the chief of the water ppl (Badass and understated) and the whale!! Sully's surviving son was also well done and will be really interesting to watch him evolve into his father's role.
This was a million times better than the first I am now invested in this franchise give me all of these films James Cameron I will be there in the theatre every time
Absolutely loved it. Light on action but tons of world building and tons of characters building. Cameron used 3D perfectly. Held back tears and visually the movie is nuts. Damn those Na'vi look so real.
I didn’t think it was light on action. It’s a long movie, so there’s a lot more than just action, but there were like at least 5 major action sequences, including the climax that lasted like an hour. Also, just because there isn’t violence, doesn’t mean there isn’t action. Learning to swim and bond with the sea creatures and all that were action sequences too.
My husband and I watched it Thursday night in 3D and I absolutely was mesmerized. I tend to not watch movies in 3D because I get migraines but I’m so glad I watched it in 3D this time. Breathtaking. Absolutely breathtaking.
cameron knows how how to tell great stories, this was an excellent sequel, part,3, 4, and 5 are on the way, every two years now we will get an avatar flick!
This is my first time crying for a movie , I cried three times , I was not an avatar person , I was 8 and thought it was the last airbender movie James Cameron nailed the concept of humanity no matter how much he used aliens to do it , it’s such a powerful film even beyond the action , it’s not even just an action film it’s a movement film in a way a dancer moves to tell a story , it was just simply beautiful
Those new avatars are polynesian inspired. Having them as water avatars with connection to whales, with polynesian inspired tattoos as scales was very amazing
Great movie! I can't wait for Avatar 3 to fully realise Kiri's full potential. The only 2 weird things that I didn't really get behind was Spider just going along with everything & how Neytiri was legit gonna kill Spider and there was no scene afterwards to show they made up..
That’s the point it think! There is now that tension that is obvious to the entire family between Neytiri and Spider. I think they will explore that in 3, which I love.
I just saw it. I just don't like the whole let's do the same villian again but change it alittle. It feels like sloppy writing. Maybe come up with something that is going to threaten their world other then the dude you already killed. Other than that, the frame rate thing was a bit wonky was fast for a second then slowed down. The visuals are stunning you can see the water droplets on their faces and the 3d was crazy good. I overall enjoyed the movie it was a 1 time watch for me and the plot was decent but the last half was really when things got great. I'd give it a 7/10 I do say it is a must watch in the theater tho. I'm trying to convince people to see this but most of them don't have time to rewatch the first one then go see this.
Some scenes are ripped from the first movie and most of the other scenes are ripped from all the other movies in existence, there are so many cliches and tropes, it's like he used every single one of them. It's just so predictable and badly written in my opinion. The graphics are outstanding though...
Your review is accurate. And more honest than Graces. Grace famously didn’t like the original film….even though just because it was the 1st time, it was not as tiresome a collection of predictable cliches as this on. Her opinion sometimes just seems to be reflection of preexisting state of mind. There’s no logic behind the review. There are now over 50 bad reviews of this film on RT which I say the *same thing* again and again. Grace is like - ‘what?’ - I don’t see the problem?? Sure Grace.
I enjoy the movie but i got to agree that recycling the villain is something that I’m having trouble with especially since he will be the villain for the upcoming sequels as well, i just don’t get how will that be interesting for 3 more movies
@@karlahale2843 It’s exactly what Scorsese said about Marvel - but somehow Cameron and co can’t smell their own f@rts. _Nothing is at stack. It’s a template for the same movie made over and over again._ Everyone can literally respawn for $$$$$.
@@StephenAlanChandler I guess lol but definitely Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, Alien/Aliens, gladiator, inception, avengers infinity war, Indiana Jones: Temple of Doom, Top Gun Maverick
@@gavinhustead30 Those are good choices. I enjoy all kinds of movies but picking from the top of my head, I’d say Interstellar, Pulp Fiction, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Hook, Seven, Hacksaw Ridge and Perks of Being a Wallflower 👌
I feel that neytiri here was being a wife but also being her own woman and I agree with you completely I particularly love the scene where neytiri was hissing at the other place queen of the village. It’s been a long while since we have seen a family together and their roles are as such but powerful in their own ways. I absolutely loved the film. I was not expecting it to be this good but went with a friend anyway and omg I was kind of depressed afterward to leave because I wanna be on pandora too lol.
Some of the best 3D I've seen since I saw the first one in theaters and it's definitely one of the best visual effects in movies ever (probably the best since we saw the effects in Endgame in 2019). Cameron is definitely great at crafting these somewhat simple stories with very complex themes and giving us an unforgettable experience with the visuals. The world of Pandora is definitely amazing to explore and it's so well crafted and so well put together that you really have a memorable experience when it comes down to it. I wouldn't mind more movies exploring 3D like this.
The Idea for the Humans can't save Kiri. I think it makes perfect sense. She obviously has a connection with Eywa and Eywa is a living god. I would totally believe if human science couldn't help something that is out of their league so to speak. Avatar Lore has already made clear that there are psychics and healers in the form of the Queen of a clan. Who have a deep understanding and relationship with Eywa more than the common Navi. Makes sense to me.
Saw it Today... It's a masterpiece of cinematic experience. Going again with family this Sunday...going again with office colleague.. this movie is 3 billion atleast at box office.
I'm not a Sam Worthington fanatic, but I definitely think his performance as well as the writers of his character deserve a little more credit. I absolutely loved Jake and the soldier-turned-father exploration in this movie. Anyway love your reviews!
Loved every character. The plot wasnt crazy good but the world building and character development is exactly what i was hoping for. Love this movie sm more then the first
I think eywa somehow made graces avatar pregnant while she was connect to the tree of souls in the first film. That’s why kiri looks and sounds like grace, she just has graces dna and is a clone but can also control fauna and flora like eywa
I do feel Sam Worthington gets a bit to much unwarranted flack. He does a very commendable job in the Avatar movies but people got burned out with him when they tried to push him into movie star status years back with some miscast roles I think he’s been a great Jake Sully
The thing that really stood out to me for Jake is that how he’s still such a human in comparison and a soldier , I wonder if they’re going to explore that at all and if it s going to be a personal struggle for him
I'll admit I like this one slightly more than the first one. My one issue is when you are going through the experience of everything it's great but when Jake or someone is explaining it you get taken out of the movie. I hate when movies have to do exposition dumps because it doesn't feel natural.
Cant blame the spider guy. They told him they got a tracker on his helmet, and we’re gonna send him back to them mad scientists to get tortured if he tried running. Anytime he could of helped the navi he did what he could. He weren’t switching sides more liking doing the best he could with the situation he was in
Just finished watching it in a packed IMAX 3D. It was the most visually stunning film I have ever seen. The stuff in the water was next level. It also has the best 3D I have experienced. James Cameron does it again. Never bet against Jimmy C 😁
Watched it in IMAX 3D this morning and damn what a ride! Loved every bit of it and was able to watch the whole thing without having to go to the bathroom lol. The 3D blew me away!
Just got out of a screen a few hours ago and WOW what an experience, the visuals blew me away. I audibly gasped a few times. The opening mission with jake and his family on the RDA was acc one of my fav scenes in the film. Don’t know why but it just excited me so much like “this is what you guys are up to now ???”
I'm sorry but saying that Quaritch calling Neytiri Mrs Sully is basically him saying that Jake ordered her to do it is just NO. I don't know if in the first movie at any point he even knew Neytiri's names. So considering he is after Jake then finds that his wife was actually the one that killed him, I just think that Mrs Sully is a way of saying "Jake Sully's wife". And I don't know about you but Quaritch seems like the guy that would just say Mrs Sully just as almost anyone would say that. Come on not everything is that political grace
I actually didn't like this movie that much after being so hyped and loving the first one. I think emotionally it doesn't connect as much as James Cameron movies usually do. I knew very early on that the first son who was given almost no lines and attention would be the one to die if any of them died and it was such a boring choice. He had almost no dialogue the whole movie and was by far the most bland character in the movie. Not only did this make it predictable but it also made the emotional scenes at the end have was less impact than they could have if they'd chosen to kill off a character the audience would actually care about. For me the emotional core for the story was missing and so I didn't really care about anything that was going on. I don't even think there was a single conversation between Neytiri and the first son and get his death and her reaction is treated as if it was Jack's death in Titanic.
"Na'vi" are the species, but the Omatikaya Clan is the clan that Neytiri is from. You kept referring to them as the Na'vi, although you're technically correct, that's not the specific group of the Na'vi that Jake and Neytiri and their family is from in the jungles. So they are the Omatikaya Clan and the water tribes are known as the Metkayina Clan
Metkayina for me as an Aussie screamed Kiwi. From the facial tattoos to the general facial expression and attitudes when they look like going into battle, probably doing a version of a Haka would have been a step to far and specific
They did just start one just as they were rallying later in the movie, I think in the scene where the chief grabbed the sonar tag and stepped on the podium in the hut. I do recall they did at least the pukana.
Just saw it in Dolby Cinema 3D (4K HFR) and wow did I hold my breath at certain points. It was truly stunning. Little bit jarring going from 24 fps to 48 fps, but hands down what 3D is meant to be.
Just saw it in IMAX 3D, much better than the original. The 3D and high frame rate really make the film stand out visually. The Crab Bots very cool as the new Cameron tech toy.
Love this movie. Visually Groundbreaking, Entertaining, And Torching. Stephen deserves a Oscar Nomination. Can't wait for the rest and hope to get Michelle Rodriguez back in Avatar 3 Just for another franchise with her and Vin Diesel because "FAMLIY".
The scene where Avatar Quaritsch holds his human skull and crushes it was quite Hamletious, but how easy the other Avatar soldiers die was pathetic and wasteful.
The movie was okay. It didn’t change my opinion of the franchise, but at least the trope in this one was less cringe. The comparison of the Avatar to Get Out is also really unavoidable once you hear it
I went in a little skeptical. My hands have now begun transforming into Fins, i will soon dive to the deepest depths of the oceans in preparation for avatar 3
Still skeptical, it was in many ways a retread of the original, same tree, way too many of the same beats. I need to watch it on super imax so I can be enthralled with the visuals I guess
The only thing I didn't like was that the bad guy didn't drown after being choked out and the hero struggled to surface even though hes been training underwater for the entire movie. Also Spider had no trouble holding on to the water dragon on his first try when all the avatars didn't have the strength to do it in the learning phase.
Just watch the movie today and what can I say. For 3 and half hours I was not thinking about work and all the other things we deal with on a daily basis. I was locked in with my 3D glasses and enjoyed the world of Pandora. Beautiful and Great Film👌🏾
Like the original movie, I watched this in imax 3D and loved the visual experience. I found the movie itself a bit long winded and am not particularly looking forward to watching it again anytime soon.
I just watched the movie 2 sec ago and I just felt u post review p.s loved the movie but the that Zoe did not have a bigger role is so stupid when she's so amizing and she's the star especially in the 3rd act I hope in the 3rd Jake's takes a back seat and let's her take the lead
The Tulkun being highly-intelligent forces us to face the truth of our existence as well. We have very little idea how intelligent other species’ are. We have theories and we can test them based on human capabilities, but unless we can communicate and understand every decision or whim they have, we really don’t know. The Metkayina came up with a way to communicate on a more philosophical level. Imagine what we’d learn if we could figure out how to communicate with another species like that. 🤯
What I took from the film is that Kiri has no father. When Grace’s life was unable to be saved, Eywa instead recompensed her life with Kiri.
Grace’s avatar was essentially impregnated when it was connected to the Tree as she died.
It explains how Kiri is able to do exactly what Eywa does, namely control nature. She’s Eywa’s Avatar in a way.
Whoa, I hope this is true. Very interesting take
I like this. This is cannon now.
Great analysis
Still confused why she has to be played by the same actress since it’s a daughter not a reincarnation
I am not sure how anyone thinks otherwise. I agree 100%
Regarding the issue of intelligent whales, I've always enjoyed a quote from Douglas Adams Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - "Man has always assumed that he is more intelligent than dolphins because he has achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But, conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man -- for precisely the same reasons."
I don’t get how anyone can have an issue with intelligent alien whales
@@karlwest437 that is a very Human interpretation.... Because humans are arrogant.... Intelligence has nothing to do with accomplishments or physical achievements.... Intelligence is the ability to absorb information.... ability to understand.... We can't physically see a Dolphins intelligence...but those that live interacting with them can feel the intelligence ....
In Avatar... they can connect with living beings on a different level ..the bond lets them see eachothers thoughts and feelings.... it's a direct link to the essence of life..... unfortunately we can't make that connection in real Life...which is why only those who spend their lives with these animals are able to experience the intelligence
@@edwinnavedojr they made a fun point about that in the latest season of 'The Orville'. Its also a human flawed logical argument thats used when dominating or colonizing a "lesser" culture.
"Oh, you live in mud huts? Well we live in cities and have guns and bombs. You cant be as smart as us because you live in these mud huts so we're going to take over around here 😊" - Colonizer logic
From the Dolphins' perspective, humans are probably weird for wanting to build strange boxes to live in, and swing sticks around. Just because they have no interest in what we prioritize, doesn't make them stupid, they just have different values from us.
@@edwinnavedojr I feel like we’re on the same wavelength! People are inherently greedy and we hoard every resource available including knowledge which turned out to be to our benefit but also lead to acquiring arrogance to measure intelligence by solely using our one dimensional criteria of physical evidence of intelligence. So basically if whales cannot pass SATs, they are dumb 🤦🏼♂️
I personally really loved Neytiri. Zoe Saldana gave a moving performance and watching her go beast mode at the end after her son died was one my favorite scenes in the movie.
i thought spider was going to switch sides after seeing what Neytiri did in beast mode
Agree ❤
@@e3vL1 I think he will eventually. The plot reminds me of anakin’s story
Loved her too but I did notice how she was really taking a back seat.
I wish I can personally enjoyed her.
Neytiri going berserk was absolutely AMAZING
I like watching her. She is a warrior.
Really impressive how James Cameron made me care more about the new characters than the originals👀
Also, the moment that guy's arm was ripped off was nuts. The whole audience gasped
And cheered so hard
The steel cable tightened around his arm and I'm like no they wouldn't show that... as soon as I formed that thought, boom! Arm ripped off flying through the air. :O
Same
And I loved every moment of it
Agree as a whole, but Neytiri is the best character hands down!
The whales being super smart was genius to me. It just adds to the magic of Pandora. I mean look at the native people…they’re big and blue…look at all the creatures, the plant systems….The plant having extremely smart whales isn’t even a thing that would surprise me.
I agree with this. Especially since marine biologists think that earth’s whales and dolphins are of a similar intelligence to humans as well, with the potential to even feel more and deeper emotions than humans.
I think the base of this increased intelligence was shown by the communication between the different species
It definitely took me out of it for like a split second, but like. Our whales and dolphins are very smart. So pandora’s whales being super smart is buyable to me.
Me either. Agreed. She has the weirdest takes. And why is she hating on Sam worthington n James Cameron. But every female actor is amazing?.. ya not obvious at all grace
Opportunity to explore this theme much deeper vs violence and so much going on.
@@davidhulbert8314 you're projecting.
That ending Zoes screams really got me and her smile when she sees him again really had me crying
Me too
Neytiri's action scene is the best scene in the movie
Best action scene for sure. Personally, Lo’ak riding with the whale was my favorite 👌
Lo’ak with the whale was truly touching I felt so invested in their bond
The line "A father protects. That's what gives him meaning." was beautiful. ❤️
I liked it too but thts been said like in every movie 😆 nothing new
But was he good at it at all? 😂
I cried so much during this movie lol
A son for a son was a pretty savage moment
Feminists boutta go crazy
The ending got me. It really hits home if you've lost a loved one.
My sentiments exactly, cried a couple of tears at the end
For real
I didn't expect to cry so much. Like the whole movie. 🥲
I lost my father to COVID in dec 2019 & this movie got me 😭
the ending was just great, the whole movie was excelllent, didn't feel like 3 hours and ten minutes, it flew quick
Just walked out of the 4D or whatever they’re calling it now. Insane experience. Captivated beginning to end
4D? man I would have thrown up. That must've been nuts.
Insane movie best movie of the decade
I did 4DX, I smelt Pandora it was great. Although not without a casualty, I lost my soda😂
Gotta see it again in 4dx
The 4DX experience was phenomenal. I might see it again next week in 3D IMAX.
Grace, I strongly have to disagree on Sam Worthingtons performance. It was confident, well matured compared with the more wild and naive performance of the first film. I think his range of emotion was exactly what it was supposed to be. He needed to be the pillar of his family, someone they can all lean on as fathers be. Not quite sure what else he could have done differently or improve in any way.
I think WORTHINGTON is a really good actor and I was surprised that he didn’t have a bigger career outside the Avatar movies.
I like the fact that the neytiri truly became a wild animal.over her family. Just like the General said she was. Her performance was truly amazing. You go zoe Saldana.
I thought Spider was kinda silly at first, but halfway thru I actually liked that he’s basically Tarzan, born into a world that isn’t his, being a Navi at heart. I also appreciated Kiri’s development, having struggled with seizures myself. There’s still so much that *humans* don’t know about them that I agreed when Grace said that the scientists diagnosing Kiri with epilepsy probably wasn’t accurate, just their way of trying to quantify it bc they still don’t fully understand Eywa or Pandora. Both Kiri and Spider are fascinating characters.
I ship it
once again I sit here with PADS (Post Avatar Depression Syndrome) the way this movie transported me all over again, is a feeling I will never forget, a stunning achievement across the board. Particular accolades to Zoe Saldana, the energy she carries when she gets on her Banshee to go avenge her son, and the rage she let loose upon the humans, a rage that cost her fathers bow gave me chills.
I admit that there are good parts of the movie, visually it is just stunning.
But most of the story....more holes than stars in the sky.
The young water princess was so beautiful and had a heart of gold. Hope she's in the 3rd movie.
I cried when Neteyam died. When I think of Avatar: The Way of Water. I don't remember the water scenes or action fights, what really stayed with me was the death of a tulkun and Neteyam.
Like those scenes WAS SO PAINFUL FOR ME.
It’s all so phony. None of the characters are real. And the premise of the film respawns them anyway. No one really dies, learns anything or changes. It’s a f’kn video game.
@@zenla1033 maybe you are just stupid and incapable of engaging with good stories, because the characters definitely grew and the deaths were felt
@@fanatiquedisanders6360 : Good be. But there are almost 70 professional reviews of the film saying the same things, but you go ahead and keep telling yourself it’s our fault.
@@zenla1033 if only you were able to see the immense irony in your statement
@@zenla1033
We all interpret the films differently, so if you feel that way, okay.
If that's how you feel on the film, then that's on you. But I really loved the film, felt relatable in a way, and enjoyed it so much.
The movie blew me away. I felt visually impressed, cried, felt hopeful at the end
the last shot of the movie looked so breathtakingly realistic 🤯 i’m beyond excited for 3-5!
Do you mean the whale jumping with the sunset? If so, I agree.
@@nohaybandaninguna I’m actually referring to the very last moment where they zoom in on jake sulleys face… the detail and textures they created literally had me convinced that was real footage captured on film.
Ditto! 😂
OMG. Grace there are many forms of intelligence. Of course those Avitar whales can be as intelligent as humans. Just because they don’t write things down or live in a whale house does not mean they lack intelligence. They are just more connected with their environment. They love and feel as have sense of spirituality .
The navi can maybe can conected to them. Its is like you meet justin bieder on the flight and he sings yummy without instromenst , textbook. You would say also "yes he wrote and ing a full song out of his mind"
And musik is different on pandora it is not like "nice on earth we had this Hamilton guy he makes musik from the sea to from a watergod on disney chanel "
I watched it in IMAX 3D on opening night and it was the first time since Endgame that the entire cinema was packed! The visuals in this movie are at least 3 levels above anything from Marvel. There is no director out there that does 3D better. This is also one of the rare times where the sequel is much better than the original!
I love how they had Antman and GoTG trailers in 3D 🤣
Not just saying it's good movie but having to shoot down Marvel as well. Cameron approves and your check in is the mail
@@piusdoe8984 Marvel has been slacking lately ngl 😂😉
@@piusdoe8984 I love Marvel but it’s hard not to compare when you see this movie it feels like Marvel doesn’t even try anymore with their CGI 💀
Totally Agree! I definitely enjoyed this more than the first! 😂
Colonel Quaritch is actually amazing in this Film.
I was a major fan of his character in Avatar,and in Avatar 2 he gets a Massive improvement with his character.
Me too
I was fascinated that the clone's memories made him feel attached to Spider.
grace, our own earth whales literally compose their own music that they sing to their calves…
Real whales are more interesting than CG ones.
@@zenla1033 okay, but that’s not the point. lol
@@marcofernando9058 It is for me. I would have liked a 3D documentary with real nature, rather than all of Cameron’s cheezy schmaltz and corn pone. HooRah BS.
@@zenla1033 what I’m saying is that has nothing to do with the point I’m making regarding the intelligence of whales. I’m glad you like whale documentaries I guess 🤷🏻♀️ lol
@@marcofernando9058 : I understand what you are saying just fine.
-> *Whales in nature are more intelligent than anything in this film.*
Definitely a must see. Especially in 3d... out of this world with the the visuals. First movie I have seen since endgame that I will go see a second time in theaters. It was gorgeous. and I liked the story and world building.
I was absolutely stunned to see how spectacular this film looked!!! It was astonishing and the last shot felt so real that I immediately wanted to see the film again
What Neyteri did with Spider was lowkey unforgivable to me - big big Spider fan. Also Sully's treatment of his second eldest really annoyed me. So when his father did the "I see you" at the end, darn it, I chocked up.
I watched the first avatar with my friends and we loved it it was spectacular, and we watched avatar 2 together and we’re fathers now and we got emotional had so much fun it is more than just a movie it’s an event ❤️
I recently watched the original movie, and Unobtainium was a superconductor without being cooled down to insanely cold temperatures, i.e. it is a superconductor at room temperature. They may have a high-tech use for it, but, in theory, they can construct electrical wiring with no energy loss because superconductors have no resistance. It would help quite a bit in our time.
This movie did something I didn’t feel possible.. made me excited to see the 3rd film! I really enjoyed the first film and love my 3D. So of course I was going to watch this movie. But given how long it had taken, I was sceptical. But yes it was a fun “ride” and I would definitely take that ride again.
I was dragged to this film by my girlfriend. I didn’t like the first Avatar much. I ended up loving Way of Water and liked it more than her 🤣😂
I fucking loved this movie so deeply. Seeing it with my father will go down as one of the most special experiences of my life. I hope you and your family have a wonderful holiday season
I’m so exited for avatar 3 and how action packed that film will be.
Same. This movie made me an avatar fan, more than the first.
Just walked out of 3D IMAX.....all my scepticism got shattered...it was a magical experience
Edit: Watched it the second time - still magical
I didn’t see Neytiri wasn’t in the back seat. I think she trusted him as he trusted her. She almost got them kick out the water civilization before Jake calmed her down. But he then says he needs her when it was time to really fight knowing how strong she really is.
My favorite character was the chief of the water ppl (Badass and understated) and the whale!!
Sully's surviving son was also well done and will be really interesting to watch him evolve into his father's role.
This was a million times better than the first I am now invested in this franchise give me all of these films James Cameron I will be there in the theatre every time
Absolutely loved it. Light on action but tons of world building and tons of characters building. Cameron used 3D perfectly.
Held back tears and visually the movie is nuts. Damn those Na'vi look so real.
I didn’t think it was light on action. It’s a long movie, so there’s a lot more than just action, but there were like at least 5 major action sequences, including the climax that lasted like an hour. Also, just because there isn’t violence, doesn’t mean there isn’t action. Learning to swim and bond with the sea creatures and all that were action sequences too.
Light on action? There was plenty of action
I'm really happy they found a way to bring stephen lang back! He's a great actor and i think he's a bit underrated!
Yes,he was in a short lived tv series called:TERRA-NOVA.It's nice.
I love him, he’s incredible! It blows my mind that he’s Ike Clanton in tombstone and Quaritch!!
My husband and I watched it Thursday night in 3D and I absolutely was mesmerized. I tend to not watch movies in 3D because I get migraines but I’m so glad I watched it in 3D this time. Breathtaking. Absolutely breathtaking.
Felt like a cinematic experience for the first time in years, what a beautiful movie! Visually & in plot
cameron knows how how to tell great stories, this was an excellent sequel, part,3, 4, and 5 are on the way, every two years now we will get an avatar flick!
@@jameswilliams-zr8co literally hoping nothing goes awry! I need to see what the entire story he’s trying to tell is
This is my first time crying for a movie , I cried three times , I was not an avatar person , I was 8 and thought it was the last airbender movie James Cameron nailed the concept of humanity no matter how much he used aliens to do it , it’s such a powerful film even beyond the action , it’s not even just an action film it’s a movement film in a way a dancer moves to tell a story , it was just simply beautiful
Watched it a few hours ago in 3D and I loved it more than the first!!! Cameron has restored my faith in 3D movies.
Those new avatars are polynesian inspired. Having them as water avatars with connection to whales, with polynesian inspired tattoos as scales was very amazing
Great movie! I can't wait for Avatar 3 to fully realise Kiri's full potential. The only 2 weird things that I didn't really get behind was Spider just going along with everything & how Neytiri was legit gonna kill Spider and there was no scene afterwards to show they made up..
That’s the point it think! There is now that tension that is obvious to the entire family between Neytiri and Spider. I think they will explore that in 3, which I love.
Avatar is the only movie I walked out on in the theater and fell asleep on! I will certainly pass on Avatar 2.
Same movie, only worse, so….good call.
I just saw it. I just don't like the whole let's do the same villian again but change it alittle. It feels like sloppy writing. Maybe come up with something that is going to threaten their world other then the dude you already killed. Other than that, the frame rate thing was a bit wonky was fast for a second then slowed down. The visuals are stunning you can see the water droplets on their faces and the 3d was crazy good. I overall enjoyed the movie it was a 1 time watch for me and the plot was decent but the last half was really when things got great. I'd give it a 7/10 I do say it is a must watch in the theater tho. I'm trying to convince people to see this but most of them don't have time to rewatch the first one then go see this.
What writing?
Some scenes are ripped from the first movie and most of the other scenes are ripped from all the other movies in existence, there are so many cliches and tropes, it's like he used every single one of them. It's just so predictable and badly written in my opinion. The graphics are outstanding though...
Your review is accurate. And more honest than Graces. Grace famously didn’t like the original film….even though just because it was the 1st time, it was not as tiresome a collection of predictable cliches as this on. Her opinion sometimes just seems to be reflection of preexisting state of mind. There’s no logic behind the review. There are now over 50 bad reviews of this film on RT which I say the *same thing* again and again. Grace is like - ‘what?’ - I don’t see the problem?? Sure Grace.
I enjoy the movie but i got to agree that recycling the villain is something that I’m having trouble with especially since he will be the villain for the upcoming sequels as well, i just don’t get how will that be interesting for 3 more movies
@@karlahale2843 It’s exactly what Scorsese said about Marvel - but somehow Cameron and co can’t smell their own f@rts.
_Nothing is at stack. It’s a template for the same movie made over and over again._
Everyone can literally respawn for $$$$$.
The whole thing was unbelievable. Best film I've ever seen and I don't even think it's a competition because of the experience
You haven’t seen many Films than cause this was mid
@@gavinhustead30 it’s his opinion. What are your favorite movies?
@@StephenAlanChandler I guess lol but definitely Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, Alien/Aliens, gladiator, inception, avengers infinity war, Indiana Jones: Temple of Doom, Top Gun Maverick
@@StephenAlanChandler what’s yours?
@@gavinhustead30 Those are good choices. I enjoy all kinds of movies but picking from the top of my head, I’d say Interstellar, Pulp Fiction, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Hook, Seven, Hacksaw Ridge and Perks of Being a Wallflower 👌
I feel that neytiri here was being a wife but also being her own woman and I agree with you completely I particularly love the scene where neytiri was hissing at the other place queen of the village. It’s been a long while since we have seen a family together and their roles are as such but powerful in their own ways. I absolutely loved the film. I was not expecting it to be this good but went with a friend anyway and omg I was kind of depressed afterward to leave because I wanna be on pandora too lol.
Some of the best 3D I've seen since I saw the first one in theaters and it's definitely one of the best visual effects in movies ever (probably the best since we saw the effects in Endgame in 2019). Cameron is definitely great at crafting these somewhat simple stories with very complex themes and giving us an unforgettable experience with the visuals. The world of Pandora is definitely amazing to explore and it's so well crafted and so well put together that you really have a memorable experience when it comes down to it. I wouldn't mind more movies exploring 3D like this.
The Idea for the Humans can't save Kiri. I think it makes perfect sense. She obviously has a connection with Eywa and Eywa is a living god. I would totally believe if human science couldn't help something that is out of their league so to speak. Avatar Lore has already made clear that there are psychics and healers in the form of the Queen of a clan. Who have a deep understanding and relationship with Eywa more than the common Navi. Makes sense to me.
Yeah that was more like a spiritual thing
Saw it Today... It's a masterpiece of cinematic experience. Going again with family this Sunday...going again with office colleague.. this movie is 3 billion atleast at box office.
You’re dreaming if you think it’s getting to 3billion in todays climate
I'm in denial. The eldest son (Jaime Flatters) is supposedly scheduled for all the sequels.
Could be a feint. Could be flashbacks.
But yeah, it's possible. Anything seems possible in Avatar!
I think Kiri’s “father” is Eywa, so she is basically space jesus
That what my wife and I thought. Great minds think alike😉
I'm not a Sam Worthington fanatic, but I definitely think his performance as well as the writers of his character deserve a little more credit. I absolutely loved Jake and the soldier-turned-father exploration in this movie. Anyway love your reviews!
I loved the dynamics between the siblings… very realistic… best movie of the year 🙌🏼 down!
Great Review 💯
Loved every character. The plot wasnt crazy good but the world building and character development is exactly what i was hoping for. Love this movie sm more then the first
I think eywa somehow made graces avatar pregnant while she was connect to the tree of souls in the first film. That’s why kiri looks and sounds like grace, she just has graces dna and is a clone but can also control fauna and flora like eywa
Yea it’s pretty clear kiri is an avatar for eywa
I went from not caring about this franchise, to this becoming my favourite film of the year!!!!
I do feel Sam Worthington gets a bit to much unwarranted flack. He does a very commendable job in the Avatar movies but people got burned out with him when they tried to push him into movie star status years back with some miscast roles
I think he’s been a great Jake Sully
He is identifiable to the audience as a video game protagonist - a non actor who is playing himself as someone who can’t act.
@@zenla1033 He can act.. someone who couldn’t act was the actor who played spider.
@@mariarivadeneira3360 Him too. This film is the very definition of an empty popcorn flick.
I watched it in Dolby 2D tonight but already got my tickets to see it in IMAX 3D. It was a way better movie than I expected!
The thing that really stood out to me for Jake is that how he’s still such a human in comparison and a soldier , I wonder if they’re going to explore that at all and if it s going to be a personal struggle for him
“Who would wanna wake up from a dream… considering the harsh reality that awaits you”
Damn Grace, that made me shed a tear
I'll admit I like this one slightly more than the first one. My one issue is when you are going through the experience of everything it's great but when Jake or someone is explaining it you get taken out of the movie. I hate when movies have to do exposition dumps because it doesn't feel natural.
Cant blame the spider guy. They told him they got a tracker on his helmet, and we’re gonna send him back to them mad scientists to get tortured if he tried running. Anytime he could of helped the navi he did what he could. He weren’t switching sides more liking doing the best he could with the situation he was in
Just finished watching it in a packed IMAX 3D. It was the most visually stunning film I have ever seen. The stuff in the water was next level.
It also has the best 3D I have experienced.
James Cameron does it again. Never bet against Jimmy C 😁
Watched it in IMAX 3D this morning and damn what a ride! Loved every bit of it and was able to watch the whole thing without having to go to the bathroom lol. The 3D blew me away!
Just got out of a screen a few hours ago and WOW what an experience, the visuals blew me away. I audibly gasped a few times. The opening mission with jake and his family on the RDA was acc one of my fav scenes in the film. Don’t know why but it just excited me so much like “this is what you guys are up to now ???”
When Sully was scolding his daughter, they missed the chance to include the line, "You sullied our name".
Most satisfying moment of the movie was the whaler’s arm getting torn off by the cable. Absolutely deserved it.
Fr!!
Grace! They are obviously going for an immaculate conception with Kiri. No father. Birthed by Eywa. That why she's connected to everything. 🤷♂️
I'm sorry but saying that Quaritch calling Neytiri Mrs Sully is basically him saying that Jake ordered her to do it is just NO. I don't know if in the first movie at any point he even knew Neytiri's names. So considering he is after Jake then finds that his wife was actually the one that killed him, I just think that Mrs Sully is a way of saying "Jake Sully's wife". And I don't know about you but Quaritch seems like the guy that would just say Mrs Sully just as almost anyone would say that. Come on not everything is that political grace
I actually didn't like this movie that much after being so hyped and loving the first one. I think emotionally it doesn't connect as much as James Cameron movies usually do. I knew very early on that the first son who was given almost no lines and attention would be the one to die if any of them died and it was such a boring choice. He had almost no dialogue the whole movie and was by far the most bland character in the movie. Not only did this make it predictable but it also made the emotional scenes at the end have was less impact than they could have if they'd chosen to kill off a character the audience would actually care about. For me the emotional core for the story was missing and so I didn't really care about anything that was going on. I don't even think there was a single conversation between Neytiri and the first son and get his death and her reaction is treated as if it was Jack's death in Titanic.
Totally agree.. no logic in this movie at all..
"Na'vi" are the species, but the Omatikaya Clan is the clan that Neytiri is from. You kept referring to them as the Na'vi, although you're technically correct, that's not the specific group of the Na'vi that Jake and Neytiri and their family is from in the jungles. So they are the Omatikaya Clan and the water tribes are known as the Metkayina Clan
Metkayina for me as an Aussie screamed Kiwi. From the facial tattoos to the general facial expression and attitudes when they look like going into battle, probably doing a version of a Haka would have been a step to far and specific
They did just start one just as they were rallying later in the movie, I think in the scene where the chief grabbed the sonar tag and stepped on the podium in the hut. I do recall they did at least the pukana.
We appreciate the analysis of Avatar The Way of the Water. It just seems so mesmerizing from start to finish.
What environmental threat does everyone think Avatar 3 will focus on? Pollution? Invasive Species or habitat loss? Desertification?
I watched the movie today and it was a visual spectacle. However, the story and acting is very weak. I love your honest reviews as always.
Similar to the first
"Spider" seemed out of place in the movie.what was with the Jungle Boy thing 🙂?
He does feel a little out of place here. Really no reason than to play the villains son in order to impact the ending.
Movie way too long, this part shoulda been cut
Just saw it in Dolby Cinema 3D (4K HFR) and wow did I hold my breath at certain points. It was truly stunning. Little bit jarring going from 24 fps to 48 fps, but hands down what 3D is meant to be.
Yea I might have to go see it a third time in 4k HFR. But idk if i can watch 9 hours worth of one movie 😂 in a week
@@COLE_PRODUCTIONS Just bear in mind that you waited this for 14 years, so its less than one hour per year. Worth it!
@@vk69525 😵💫
Just saw it in IMAX 3D, much better than the original. The 3D and high frame rate really make the film stand out visually. The Crab Bots very cool as the new Cameron tech toy.
i was waiting for Tony to ask for the gabagol when the movie focused on edie falco's character.
Love this movie. Visually Groundbreaking, Entertaining, And Torching. Stephen deserves a Oscar Nomination. Can't wait for the rest and hope to get Michelle Rodriguez back in Avatar 3 Just for another franchise with her and Vin Diesel because "FAMLIY".
The scene where Avatar Quaritsch holds his human skull and crushes it was quite Hamletious, but how easy the other Avatar soldiers die was pathetic and wasteful.
The movie was okay. It didn’t change my opinion of the franchise, but at least the trope in this one was less cringe. The comparison of the Avatar to Get Out is also really unavoidable once you hear it
Quaritch: You either die a villain or live long enough as a Navi to become the hero 😂
Not seeing the movie, but I’m happy to watch your spoiler review.
I went in a little skeptical. My hands have now begun transforming into Fins, i will soon dive to the deepest depths of the oceans in preparation for avatar 3
Really enjoyed it , I give it a 9/10 . Only issue I had was the length of the movie 😭
Quatrich as “company property” will surely become a thing.
But wait they said the whale stuff stops aging but you could potentially clone yourself forever? That doesn't make a lot of sense
It’s just garbage writing pawning itself off as Sci Fi. It isn’t Sci Fi. *Gravity* was Sci Fi. This is just *American audiences be dumb.*
I watched it and Grace is right! This film is beautiful. 💙
Still skeptical, it was in many ways a retread of the original, same tree, way too many of the same beats. I need to watch it on super imax so I can be enthralled with the visuals I guess
You got it right. Don’t let anyone gaslight over this nonsense. Industry just need a win bad, and they will try to conjure one from nothing.
The only thing I didn't like was that the bad guy didn't drown after being choked out and the hero struggled to surface even though hes been training underwater for the entire movie. Also Spider had no trouble holding on to the water dragon on his first try when all the avatars didn't have the strength to do it in the learning phase.
I know this response is 5 months late but didn’t Spider have his mask on?
@@sophiag612 yeh he did. Just saying a human would not have the grip strength to hold on but I guess it was only going slowly so it makes sense.
Went to see it last night. Blew my mind. Two thumbs up! 👍🏽 👍🏽
Just watch the movie today and what can I say. For 3 and half hours I was not thinking about work and all the other things we deal with on a daily basis. I was locked in with my 3D glasses and enjoyed the world of Pandora. Beautiful and Great Film👌🏾
I hated the military scenes. I zone out every time we see humans or Quaritch.
i went to watch last night and when the 3D first started and neytiri had her bow drawn my audience gasped, i’d definitely watch it again just for 3D
To me I think it was a perfect movie. It was incredible. As a father so much of this resonated with me
Like the original movie, I watched this in imax 3D and loved the visual experience. I found the movie itself a bit long winded and am not particularly looking forward to watching it again anytime soon.
I just watched the movie 2 sec ago and I just felt u post review p.s loved the movie but the that Zoe did not have a bigger role is so stupid when she's so amizing and she's the star especially in the 3rd act I hope in the 3rd Jake's takes a back seat and let's her take the lead
I'm guessing since Zoe signed a contract with Marvel, she was probably busy with that and couldn't commit as much time to Avatar, but who knows
The Tulkun being highly-intelligent forces us to face the truth of our existence as well. We have very little idea how intelligent other species’ are. We have theories and we can test them based on human capabilities, but unless we can communicate and understand every decision or whim they have, we really don’t know. The Metkayina came up with a way to communicate on a more philosophical level. Imagine what we’d learn if we could figure out how to communicate with another species like that. 🤯