Navy Kills 99 of Their Own Men to Save Sub

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  • @inappropriatejohnson
    @inappropriatejohnson 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +363

    "Never paint doors, windows, and torpedo hatches whilst shut"
    -a wise man

    • @skullsaintdead
      @skullsaintdead 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      Yep. Had the painters in a few years ago, idiot, lazy tradie decides to paint over the manhole to the ceiling cavity, so it was effectively glued shut. We had to get my dad (who's taller than me, I'm his daughter) to balance on a ladder with a stanley knife to try and un-seal the bloody paint work, it's still an issue. Wish I could of rung that tradie out to dry, would of taken him 5 minutes to remove the cover and paint it separately but nope. Lazy people doing lazy work, not thinking or bothering with how their actions affect others. Typical.

    • @bobfranke2347
      @bobfranke2347 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Talk about a bad day/ cluster *uck

    • @DawnOfTheDead991
      @DawnOfTheDead991 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Why they didn't test all those valves and doors beforehand is plain negligence.

    • @ObviousPizza547
      @ObviousPizza547 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Never paint what’s meant to be a water tight door/hatch while open
      -a wise man who didn’t die because a seal that couldn’t form

    • @alvvayssleepy
      @alvvayssleepy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Never shsa s auuuuuuuu uuuuuueeuualls'
      - Ryan 'John' Submarine

  • @WFHermans
    @WFHermans 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +328

    The full story was banned in the UK in 1939, but not in Germany, where a book titled "SOS Thetis" was published about it. After the war the British occupation regime ordered the destruction of all copies of that book.

    • @EneTheGene
      @EneTheGene 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

      "Burning" books is a universal habit :D

    • @daviscampbell9020
      @daviscampbell9020 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

      Thank fully the brtish could not destroy all of them.

    • @bobfranke2347
      @bobfranke2347 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

      ...something about the victors writing the history, right?

    • @francisharkins
      @francisharkins 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      ​​@@bobfranke2347Something about the British being sore winners, and you know prior history of their ancestors and ruling religions burning books and records that they saw as "blasphemy" to their shallow egos.

    • @jandoerlidoe3412
      @jandoerlidoe3412 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Typical covering the tracks of their imbecility & incompetence...

  • @sfdntk
    @sfdntk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +236

    I remember reading about Thetis when I was around ten years old, it stuck with me for many years. The thought of slowly choking to death in the dark at the bottom of the sea, surrounded by scared, dying people - I had nightmares about it for a long time. Such a heartless, hopeless tragedy.

    • @johnjephcote7636
      @johnjephcote7636 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Same here. I read 'The Admiralty Regrets...' but many decades later read the story of how the worls-wide fund set up was diverted to navy personnel only and vicious administrators denied aid and care to the bereaved civilian families of the onboard shipyard technicians. It has haunted most of my 75 years yet I was born nine years after the event. My father, a signaller knew about it anyway.

    • @geoffrysteiner8532
      @geoffrysteiner8532 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      There is a true account of the U-Boats written by an actual, surviving Commander. It's titled "Iron Coffins". Give it a read if you haven't yet. It will certainly keep you awake.

    • @CBe-ot8vu
      @CBe-ot8vu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nightmares? Your kidding right? You must be scared of everything

    • @advorak8529
      @advorak8529 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@CBe-ot8vu A 10 year old child may be scared of things. Where have you left your empathy? Or is that your whistling in the dark because you have your own fears and know you'd be scared by these things too?

    • @advorak8529
      @advorak8529 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Look up the Winterberg tunnel on the Chemin des Dames battlefront, near Reims. On the 4th of May 1917, this 300m long supply tunnel to the German front lines was attacked with artillery --- the French using an observation balloon to see the rear entrance too, and both tunnel ends were hit and closed off --- ammunition at the rear end was hit and went off, not helping things. Over the next 6 days (or possibly more), the 270+ soldiers inside died, by lack of water, lack of oxygen, suicide, assisted suicide. 3 could be dug out by German troops; but with the French pushing the attack, the Germans had to retreat the next day.
      The French had no time for digging, nor had the Germans when they some time later retook the ridge.
      Oh, and did I mention the over 400 bodies found in a tunnel at Mont Cornillet east of Reims, found (again) in 1973?
      Or the 34 who were entombed on the 18th of March 1918 in a shelter of a tunnel system near Carspach in the Alsace region? Aerial mines collapsed parts of the 500 man sized tunnel system 5.5m below the surface. At the time 13 bodies could be recovered, but 21 had to be left there as it was too dangerous. (And yes, the name of everyone there is known.) Rediscovered in 2012 as a road building project needed excavations, the place is very well preserved: no light, little air, little water ... Newspaper parts still perfectly readable.
      The list goes on and on ... and as an infantry man, you do not sign up to be immured like a submariner would.

  • @waterlinestories
    @waterlinestories  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +332

    For some reason the tail end was cut off. These are the last sentences.
    "Thetis is salvaged and made ready for active service.
    It’s renamed Thunderbolt and dispatched during World War II.
    On the 14th of March 1943, Italian Corvette Cicogna fires on and sinks Thunderbolt.
    Today it lies somewhere on the floor of the Mediterranean Sea, at a depth of almost 1400 meters.
    The remains of her second crew are still on board."
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    • @UCs6ktlulE5BEeb3vBBOu6DQ
      @UCs6ktlulE5BEeb3vBBOu6DQ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Great mini-documentary as usual.

    • @shadesofpurple7283
      @shadesofpurple7283 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Thanks for writing the parts we missed. It ended mid sentence and i was so confused lol amazing video tho

    • @fernandomarques5166
      @fernandomarques5166 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      "Still on patrol" three haunting words

    • @kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934
      @kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hauntingly familiar

    • @SWA81
      @SWA81 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      F

  • @MM-fe9mz
    @MM-fe9mz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    Image getting assigned to Thunderbold knowing it was a deathtrap of 99 people.

  • @crazeelazee7524
    @crazeelazee7524 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +260

    One small correction, It's "HIS Majesty's Ship" since Britain had a king at the time, king George VI.

    • @waterlinestories
      @waterlinestories  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +139

      Oh geez. I didn’t even think of that. Thanks for the correction

    • @45H4W
      @45H4W 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I was wondering that and paused to read the comment.

    • @danlowe8684
      @danlowe8684 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Great info!! I had no idea...

    • @Skorpychan
      @Skorpychan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      Such is the trouble with Queen Elizabeth II's absurdly long reign. Britain reached a steady state with her as Queen, where she'd been queen forever and seemed to be fine continuing as queen basically forever.
      And then she didn't.

    • @krashd
      @krashd 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@Skorpychan So exactly like the previous queen then? Who reigned for so long that the Victorian era seemed to never end.

  • @slappy8941
    @slappy8941 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    Like they say, safety regulations are written in blood.

  • @alecherbert5406
    @alecherbert5406 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    "the torpedo doors were painted shut" Did they hire my landlord to paint this?

  • @zimmerman1031
    @zimmerman1031 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    Crazy that the guys could have been saved by an air pipe, but the British Navy decided they'd rather let the sailors die than disrupt the structural integrity of the ship. Those people should have been sent to prison.

    • @joemars41
      @joemars41 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Agreed

    • @domfjbrown75
      @domfjbrown75 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      'Collateral damage'. Yeah, murder.

    • @Peyote1312
      @Peyote1312 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's called war, snowflake. What did you think the pawns were for? Sailors are cheaper than submarines.

    • @alexxsaf
      @alexxsaf หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was thinking about this but could it be argued that the vessel is more important?

    • @I-eat-ass-for-dinner
      @I-eat-ass-for-dinner 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@alexxsafhow? It's a fucking object. Those are people.

  • @memphis6694
    @memphis6694 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +413

    No one’s at fault, because there was no prior outcome like this, therefore it couldn’t be predicted… Are you freaking kidding me. Great way to deflect blame and take no responsibility. If I lived at that time and served, I would quit. I truly don’t respect those who can not accept accountability for their mistakes.

    • @nathanworthington4451
      @nathanworthington4451 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      You're naive

    • @memphis6694
      @memphis6694 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      @@nathanworthington4451 Naive, in regards to what?

    • @nathanworthington4451
      @nathanworthington4451 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@memphis6694 In regards to the comment you recently made in this videos comment section

    • @CodyTeichert26
      @CodyTeichert26 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      @@nathanworthington4451that’s not really how “I’m regards to” works. Should probably make your case as to why he’s naive for stating a rather obvious and objectively correct point

    • @nathanworthington4451
      @nathanworthington4451 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CodyTeichert26 Exactly. It's so obvious as to why those decisions were made. Politics, bureaucracy, military, are you both so naive you dont understand how the world works? All that combined with technical limitations at the time, looming war, and the unprecedented nature of the event it would be highly unlikely any other course of action would've been taken. Do you understand? Or is there anything else you need me to explain to you?

  • @cubby6988
    @cubby6988 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    My lord, this is absolutely horrifying. Those poor men deserved better! Their families could have at least been compensated. Despicable and cowardly how they were sacrificed.

    • @TheSakufighter
      @TheSakufighter 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The government and people always say thank you for your service but it’s just lip service. Most people don’t care about freedom or appreciate it even though America isn’t a free country I hope one day it will be. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED was not a suggestion.

    • @user-wm3fc1sk1p
      @user-wm3fc1sk1p 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All for a hunk of metal😭

    • @Peyote1312
      @Peyote1312 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, that's what pawns are for. It's called war. Spoiler: soldiers & sailors are all expendable. The military industrial complex doesn't care about your life or feelings.

  • @EmiSuperTrans71
    @EmiSuperTrans71 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I can remember my mother telling me she went and saw the sub when it was beached at Traeth Bychan as she lived just down the road at Malltraeth.

    • @memphis6694
      @memphis6694 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You should have said, “Pictures of you at the Beach with the Sub, or it’s not True Mom” 😅😂🤣 lol JK. That’s actually an awesome story your mother has.

    • @EmiSuperTrans71
      @EmiSuperTrans71 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@memphis6694 lmaybe I mean she would have been 8 so photos might not have been an option lol 😂

  • @ShadowZero27
    @ShadowZero27 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    the video ended mid sentence for me "an italian ship fires on and sinks thunderb..."

  • @tonydabaloney
    @tonydabaloney 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +152

    It's an old story. Most men in the service know this. Many men died saving many ships. When the Yorktown was hit men were knowingly sent to their deaths fighting the fires.

    • @mikerobb7443
      @mikerobb7443 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      At least Yorktown was in combat in a time when we were short on carriers compared to our enemy, this was peacetime, and subs are replaceable, not that im lessening the value of thier lives, but the circumstances were somewhat different and the value of the Yorktown wasnt mearly a dollar value which is my point

    • @patrickreilly4639
      @patrickreilly4639 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Big difference between combat a peacetime. In combat, this can be expected. In peacetime you do your damndest to save lives.

    • @icosthop9998
      @icosthop9998 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@patrickreilly4639Agree

    • @ripwednesdayadams
      @ripwednesdayadams 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      What happened to the USS Indianapolis and several other ships (that I’m aware of) was horrific. 900 men survived the sinking only to die when their SOS messages were ignored. It took 4 days for the Navy to realize they were missing and by that time, around 600 men died. It’s alarming how common this was during WWII and this incompetence wasn’t just limited to the Navy. But poor Captain McVay was blamed and he never forgave himself- he committed suicide before he was officially cleared of wrongdoing.
      Although this occurred at peacetime, the USS Iowa turret explosion was also infuriating. The navy just threw their own under the bust in an attempt to shirk responsibility while attempting to blame and slander innocent service people despite knowing the true cause of the explosion. These people tried to serve their country and were treated like garbage by the military. They treat people like they’re expendable.

    • @c.j.cleveland7475
      @c.j.cleveland7475 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@ripwednesdayadams That's the navy for you. For every accident there's always a scapegoat. Just so long as the navy isn't held responsible. 🤷‍♂

  • @beverlyreiner-baillargeon6205
    @beverlyreiner-baillargeon6205 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Each time something happens that hampers the rescue I grab my heart and think "Oh $hit". Yet another great story from my favorite story teller. ❤❤❤❤

  • @davetooes6179
    @davetooes6179 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    My father was the Regulating Coxsun of HM/s Trident and Tabard when they came out to Australia. Between 1952 till 1958. He had been an AB on HM/s Oswald. Thus sub had been rammed and sunk by an Italian destroyer. This happened in 1940. He remained a POW until 1944 when he escapes.

  • @Vok250
    @Vok250 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    You took every opportunity to say thr name of that tug and i appreciate that.

    • @bradmoberly6164
      @bradmoberly6164 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂😂 ur killing me !

  • @punkypink83
    @punkypink83 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    "when the helm is turned to starboard the ship turns to port"
    good to know that Oceangate hasn't learnt about checking that you havent installed your controls backwards despite another 80 years between the Titan and the Thetis... hubris is a funny ol thing

  • @OriYentl333
    @OriYentl333 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    Thanks for telling this tragic and unusual story. Appreciate the informative content & quality narration. Such a tragic loss of life though.

  • @Rudreax
    @Rudreax 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Great video as always! One quick thing, not sure if you can change it but the end of the video is cut off. It ends on "...fires on and sinks Thun-".
    Hope that makes sense!

    • @waterlinestories
      @waterlinestories  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Yeah, I don’t know why it got cut off. I’ll have to try and fix it. I can’t ad in but I might be able to cut it off at a more appropriate place.

    • @KlaunFuhrer-du7fr
      @KlaunFuhrer-du7fr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      So it sank twice....

  • @HarryFlashmanVC
    @HarryFlashmanVC 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The accident changed the design of safety valves on torpedo tubes. These days, to manually confirm a tube is not flooded, which needs to be done in case the electrical indicator is faulty the valve is opened and a 8 inch steel rod pushed into it to ensure that the hole isnt blocked with debris or anything else..once confirmed the tube is dry it can be opened.
    It was the Thetis accident that changed the design from a faucet style valve to a straight hole allowing the rod to be inserted to break any blockages which might give the impression the tube is dry

    • @gavinjenkins899
      @gavinjenkins899 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      we don't just have cameras by now...? I mean sure, have that as well, but doesn't seem like a reasonable FIRST line of investigation in 2024.

  • @richjubb7583
    @richjubb7583 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Your "Actual photo" of U20 is in fact a photograph of U9 from the Wikipedia page. You can sort of tell this by the U9 painted on the bow...

  • @malcolmbriggs4281
    @malcolmbriggs4281 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    My Uncle George Mollen was an apprentice and missed out on selection for the sea trial. He lived until his seventies.

  • @ConanDuke
    @ConanDuke 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    "And the generals gave thanks
    As the other ranks held back the enemy tanks for a while
    And the Anzio bridgehead was held for the price
    Of a few hundred ordinary lives..."
    ~When The Tigers Broke Free

  • @DaveSCameron
    @DaveSCameron 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    My hometown shipyard Cammell Lairds and this tragedy has cast a long shadow down the years! #OurHistory

    • @HiddenHistoryYT
      @HiddenHistoryYT 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Hey Dave :)

    • @DaveSCameron
      @DaveSCameron 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@HiddenHistoryYT hallo mate, fancy meeting you here, all the best people, all the best places. 👍

  • @Aussie-nd7si
    @Aussie-nd7si 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    What a disgraceful reaction by the UK navy. Almost at every turn the response was negligent. I cannot believe families were not compensated.

  • @tvrv9774
    @tvrv9774 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I wonder how many subs have 3 crews worth of bodies accounted to them like this one?

    • @MaskedVengeanceTV
      @MaskedVengeanceTV 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      A surprising amount of historical subs. Like a shocking amount. Especially in the United States submarine force. It's not so much of a common practice now a-days.

  • @tomghzel
    @tomghzel 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    *pause* "At least he has company" 👌

  • @BanjoLuke1
    @BanjoLuke1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    For various reasons, a submarine is always referred to as a boat.
    The "S" in HMS when used for such vessels is for "submarine", not "ship".
    An interesting and troubling story. And well told.

    • @PeteChilcott
      @PeteChilcott 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No. Correctly it is 'ship', but colloquially it is 'Submarine'.

    • @Edax_Royeaux
      @Edax_Royeaux 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      So is the new HMS Dreadnought His Majesty's Ship or His Majesty's Submarine?

    • @patrickreilly4639
      @patrickreilly4639 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Edax_Royeaux submarine.

    • @yoochoobb
      @yoochoobb 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Also he said "Her Majesty's", whereas in 1936, when it was commissioned, King Edward VIII was the monarch (succeeded by George VI later that year after he abdicated).

  • @robotswithryan8348
    @robotswithryan8348 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

    Vessels can be rebuilt, men cannot.

    • @slaphappyduplenty2436
      @slaphappyduplenty2436 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      We have the technology

    • @cookie5535
      @cookie5535 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Men can be rebuilt WAY easier than a submarine lmfao. What a dumb quote. It takes 3 minutes and a single orgasm. Humans are easily replaceable lmfao. We breed like rabbits

    • @Average_Ohio_Citizen_
      @Average_Ohio_Citizen_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      To some care not 😢

    • @wengerball8697
      @wengerball8697 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Unfortunately men can be replaced 😢

    • @robotswithryan8348
      @robotswithryan8348 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@wengerball8697 Not to their families. I understand what you mean though.

  • @philbunston9663
    @philbunston9663 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I think you will find that the tube door was not painted shut but that the test cock was blocked with bitumen paint .

    • @lancecooper4646
      @lancecooper4646 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah i questioned that whole pivotal scenario to the catastrophic flooding.....how it actually happened 🤔

    • @Peyote1312
      @Peyote1312 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You said cock. Hee hee haw haw. Cock.

    • @gavinjenkins899
      @gavinjenkins899 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      "Blocked with paint" sounds like you just went out of your way as hard as possible to reword "painted shut" in a different way, to try and sound smarter.

    • @philbunston9663
      @philbunston9663 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gavinjenkins899 I refer to the test cock not the door

    • @philbunston9663
      @philbunston9663 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gavinjenkins899 I was referring to the test cock NOT the door - a very different situation

  • @23664gray
    @23664gray 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Didn't help that one of the senior naval officers decided to take a train from Scotland to Liverpool instead of flying , took him way to long to get to the accident site.

    • @markae0
      @markae0 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      flying in the year???

  • @francislutz8027
    @francislutz8027 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My father and cousin were both US Navy Submariners. It takes a special person.

    • @voornaam3191
      @voornaam3191 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A bit sketchy, but the German submarines during WW2 were feared. And not because they sank their own submarines while doing nothing. No way.

  • @Murgoh
    @Murgoh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Alistair MacLean probably took inspiration from the incident with the torpedo tube for his novel "Ice station Zebra", though in the book it was a Soviet saboteur, not a careless painter, who had blocked the stop cock and disconnected the mechanism of the torpedo tube front door. The description of the incident in the book was remarkably similar, even saying there were a few drops of water coming from the cock.

    • @goodshipkaraboudjan
      @goodshipkaraboudjan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Pretty sure he was in the RN around the same the time so he'd have known about the incident.

  • @borby78
    @borby78 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    By far the best chanel on TH-cam. I really appreciate the level of detail and way in which you explain these amazing (and tragic) stories. Keep up the awesome work!!! Thank you.

  • @Wisald
    @Wisald 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Why is there a sudden cut at the end?
    Is there a part of video missing?

  • @lisaschuster686
    @lisaschuster686 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Puts me in mind of the Kursk. A Navy doesn’t like to be caught helpless.

  • @tomghzel
    @tomghzel 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Your videos are great. Very well done. Lot's of relevant footage and the room you are in looks great too!

  • @juliemanarin4127
    @juliemanarin4127 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    THIS is a NIGHTMARE! Why didnt they tow it in right away?

  • @imeldahiggins-wiffle8302
    @imeldahiggins-wiffle8302 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I could listen to this narrator all day...a great plus to these very interesting videos!!! Subscribed!

  • @joshyaks
    @joshyaks 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Great video, but it ended mid-sentence!

    • @peterdieleman303
      @peterdieleman303 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I really don’t see

    • @davidwilliams706
      @davidwilliams706 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly that, the video ends before he finishes describing how the sub is sunk by enemy action.

    • @bobfranke2347
      @bobfranke2347 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      First time on this channel, but have noted about 8 considerate remarks re. the chopped ending w/ no comment or edited correction by this channel. My (only?) conclusion is that a bit of British arrogance perpetuates. WHY not just fix it?

  • @robestey5628
    @robestey5628 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    A sad story of a bungled sea trial. No dog and ponies should have been made until after sea fit. Tragic.

    • @gavinjenkins899
      @gavinjenkins899 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Always boggles my mind not only that they'd have passengers, but that they would even have a full crew versus only one watch on board, and that they wouldn't have things like air hoses etc already hooked up by default before they started (assuming there's a valve on the trunk built for that as implied in the video), or towing vessel and divers on hand, blah blah

  • @christophermartin8366
    @christophermartin8366 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great content. Every presentation follows a nice, clear and well defined path. One of the more entertaining historical channels I have seen. Thank you.

    • @waterlinestories
      @waterlinestories  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, I really appreciate that

  • @bennyboogenheimer4553
    @bennyboogenheimer4553 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Here's a question.
    Why not tow it to shore, ASAP after spotting the tail out of water?
    I'ld rather swim up thru 30 ft of water next to the shore,
    then 100 feet in the open ocean.

  • @X737_
    @X737_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    6:03 uniforms weren’t like that until well after the year 2000. I did 22 years

  • @this_steve
    @this_steve 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You post, I click! WS is one of the few channels I have watched every video at least twice.

    • @waterlinestories
      @waterlinestories  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🤣 so good to read. Thanks🤛🏻

  • @charlieross-BRM
    @charlieross-BRM 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That mention of enamel paint jamming up essential equipment triggered my memory of a similar but much less serious occasion. Our church was being refitted with up to date smoke detectors, alarms, backup lighting, and fire break walls, etc. It was all volunteer work and I took part. Within a week of completion, my father told me that another congregation member who happened to be employed during the day with the provincial utility company, found that when some circuits went dead, he had a hell of a time sorting the puzzle because all of the circuit breaker switches were indicating ON. He pulled out the panel and found red enamel paint was jamming all the breakers of the fire system and a few others too.
    We had another member well known for painting anything that didn't move, even over threaded speaker wire terminals when he was painting the walls the speakers were mounted on, and he'd painted the outside of every breaker switch that was part of our new fire alarm system with red enamel to distinguish them. The paint had seeped in to the back so breakers were tripped but the outside bakelite 'flipper switches' didn't move, just the inside metal contacts. Possibly some contacts were enamelled in the closed contact ON position too.

  • @dewitp
    @dewitp 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I just discovered this channel and watched a few. Great format, all the proper context and the story telling flows without getting boring. Definitely subscribed

  • @Skorpychan
    @Skorpychan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'd say the shipyard is at fault...

  • @HandyMan657
    @HandyMan657 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That cut off. Thanks for the knowledge

  • @MapSpawn
    @MapSpawn 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hi quality video, thank you. Very sad story.

  • @justnotg00d
    @justnotg00d 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Video stopped before finishing the sentence?

  • @Megabob777
    @Megabob777 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yet another amazing documentary

  • @steveclarke6257
    @steveclarke6257 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    The "Thetis" incident is complecated and yes mistakes were made. But to a certain extent the board of enquiry was correct, nothing like those circumstances had ever happend before, however blame could have been attached to:
    Allowing too many "guests" from the Dockyard on board during these triails;
    The lack of awarness of the escort tug as to testing procedures and what to do if they though something had gone wrong;
    The signals sent to Portsbouth during the accident could have been given more priority by the Navy;
    The " emergency" equipment easily available was obtained was faulty due to lack of maintenance;
    The lack of care taken to ensure that the tubes safety test features were operating correctly such that the stopcock on tube 5 was outside its operational perimeters;
    Then add to the above that the crew were unable to easilly read the indicators showing that the outer doors were open on tube 5, which was obscured behind a horizontal bar and that non of these indicatiors had a standard "orientation" which made it easire to check.
    ....Its a chain of errors from lack of familiarity for the new crew on a new submarine of a new class which had not previously been made in that dockyard. Its a prome example of Murphy's law in action.
    Now you criticised the RN over not cutting a vent in the rear of the submarine to pipe air in and there were very reasonable engineering reasons as to why that did not happen. Foremost being by the time they were in a position to undertake that task ( having all the tools engineers etc that were needed) the turning of the tide creating strong currents which dragged the submarine under...... Had the initial signal sent been treated with more priority ( so not having a two+ hour delay) maybe they could have saved some people and the salvage ship Vigilant did have that equipment on board to do just the operation you suggest... So to defend the RN it was not a decision taken not to save the boat, and alow the crew to perish, and had they knowledge on how to do it..., due to so many of the K class acting like "lawn darts" and burying their bows into the seabed because they were a terrible design which made diving the boat a lottery!
    If you want further reading Paul Kemp's book "the T class submarine - the classivpc British design" covers the incident in chaprer 8

  • @notchrisloveing9319
    @notchrisloveing9319 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Absolutely love this channel , you're story telling ability is Absolutely amazing ❤ love from cape town

    • @waterlinestories
      @waterlinestories  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Thanks. My brother lives in Cape Town. I would love to live in Cape Town. Maybe one day.

  • @petermuller7687
    @petermuller7687 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Great video, there seems to be an issue with the cut right at the end though

  • @berryreading4809
    @berryreading4809 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Great work as usual, but I think something might've happened when uploading this video to TH-cam as the ending is cut off which I KNOW is not normal for your quality of videos/editing/storytelling! So might be worth looking at re-uploading... Or wait until peak posting views have been achieved then re-upload the full video 🤫😆 I'll gladly watch twice 😉👍

  • @Dr_Larken
    @Dr_Larken 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    11:59 a bit of dark humor in a horrible situation! I like it

  • @davebetch9918
    @davebetch9918 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Welcome to the Royal navy!

  • @transistor754
    @transistor754 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for another great learning experience! I like your honest way of pointing out "actual footage" as opposed to presenters that stuff non sensical footage that just confuses the story when the pictures don't relate. I also like the way you point out the hypocrisy of the situation. Groete, beste, Totsiens.

    • @piratedaveyjones1903
      @piratedaveyjones1903 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why were there photos of USN personnel then? And at one point what looked like an Oberon class submarine which were post WW II subs? Also the ‘Control Room’ footage looked like 70’s technology. At 5:50 we see what looks like a Soviet Nuclear Submarine. So much for actual footage.

  • @darrellchabaniuk2330
    @darrellchabaniuk2330 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    We should never forget those who paid the ultimate price for freedom

    • @patrickyoung3503
      @patrickyoung3503 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Honour & Respect . Lest we forget . .

  • @Jimmy9Bazooka
    @Jimmy9Bazooka 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Why is it randomly cut at the end?

    • @SofaKingShit
      @SofaKingShit 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The story was just too sad so he probably had to go down to the pub to numb himself. God knows l would if l had all their Pstreons and sponsorship and what not. And l would invite all his faithful viewers to also go down to the pub, or maybe mail them some whiskey. Anyone from the WLS team reading this? Hello? Please.

  • @gtech7577
    @gtech7577 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I dunno why but everytime i watch a video for some reason for brief moment you look like you laying on leather bed while telling the story. Love content😂

  • @Max-xz9ig
    @Max-xz9ig 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Love your videos

  • @Commander-McBragg
    @Commander-McBragg 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You do awesome work

  • @shannoncole7051
    @shannoncole7051 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    That story came to an abrupt stop. If an editor pushed that out like that, then I would be finding a new one. Outside of that - Great channel though! I am a fan.

  • @ericjohnwade1985
    @ericjohnwade1985 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Theres a photo of this boat in RNA Wallasey, about a mile from where she was built in Cammel Lairds Birkenhead

  • @CanyonF
    @CanyonF 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Video cuts off at the end

  • @lu4414
    @lu4414 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Bro they had passengers for a sea trial?

  • @stevehill4615
    @stevehill4615 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Thanks for the video on the Thetis disaster, you mentioned HMS Dolphin (I used to live near there and worked at the Royal Navy research establishment which was next door to Dolphin) which had a feature of the Gosport skyline which is the 100 foot (30 metre) submarine escape practice tower which i'm curious to know if it's design and building was influenced by this accident or is it just coincidence it's height is very similar to the depth Thetis sank too.

    • @PeteChilcott
      @PeteChilcott 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The SETT was built in response to Submarine accidents, being stated in 1949. It's probably safe to assume that Thetis featured in the thinking, but there were two other escape trainers before SETT at 15 and 30 feet.

  • @andrewstackpool4911
    @andrewstackpool4911 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The submarine at Minute 4:10 is a 1960s Oberon class

  • @elcholomoreno31
    @elcholomoreno31 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Keep posting boss...

  • @DOWNTOWN_AUDIO
    @DOWNTOWN_AUDIO 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Its crazy to think that very few of them had the actual balls to crawl through that escape hatch. If they all simply followed the captain, or atleast if the crew and everybody with a survival suit did, the air wouldve lasted the passengers long enough. If the navy had just been ok with patching a small hole in the hull it couldve been pressurized again and refloated with the passengers inside. They truly did sacrifice them for a tiny hole!

    • @bobfranke2347
      @bobfranke2347 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      "Ifs" "ands" & "buts" were candy and nuts everyday would be Christmas.

    • @DawnOfTheDead991
      @DawnOfTheDead991 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not letting a little hole for an airline be cut in the hull was a pretty contemptible and foolish fatal decision@@bobfranke2347

  • @martinholden8480
    @martinholden8480 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I read a book about this when I was a kid 60 years or so ago when I lived in Manchester, it claimed that the cause of the sinking was that all the Torpedo tubes had gauges on them to tell if the outer door was open or closed, the problem was that when fitting the gauges there was a pipe or something in the way so the gauge was installed upside down so when all gauges were reading 12 O'clock to say the the doors were closed in fact all doors but 1 were closed and the other one was open which caused the flooding when the inner door was opened causing the flooding and sinking, how true this is I really don't know though???????

  • @SeltkirkTV
    @SeltkirkTV 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Extremely symbolic how essentially the "heel" of the sub was visible during thst last brief moment of hope.

    • @fukkitful
      @fukkitful 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If I was the first guy who went out. I would have climbed up the sub to get out of the cold water. Being 84 M in length and in 30M of water, the sub should be at around a 20* angle.

    • @c.j.cleveland7475
      @c.j.cleveland7475 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fukkitful I wondered about that, too. I guess they had other things on their minds so it never occurred to them.

  • @HiddenHistoryYT
    @HiddenHistoryYT 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ya this is a sad story

  • @FMJIRISH
    @FMJIRISH 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Was the video meant to just cut off mid sentence?

  • @therealinak
    @therealinak 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sucks the end of the video got cut off

  • @SkyRaider-31
    @SkyRaider-31 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Love hearing about naval history

    • @miapdx503
      @miapdx503 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same! I've learned so much about the history of man on the seas, maritime history and laws, and now I keep all sailors in my prayers. 🌹

    • @jayjones6904
      @jayjones6904 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love you're handle skyraider favorite airplane of all time

  • @jameswilliams3270
    @jameswilliams3270 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent narration of horrendous tale.

  • @loobielou6965
    @loobielou6965 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yaaas day made. Favourite TH-cam channel ever 💙

  • @zahgurim7838
    @zahgurim7838 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Dieses eine Mal, als die Briten versuchten ein U-Boot zu bauen" - a tragedy in 3 parts.
    Seriously, such stuff frightens me. When many minor fuck-ups lead to one big accident. Poor souls.

  • @jellomiki
    @jellomiki 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Looks like there's a few seconds missing on the end of the vid

  • @jeebusk
    @jeebusk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Irony is any crew close to the open torpedo tube would be in the best position to escape... after pressurization equalizes.

  • @LoneStarMillennial
    @LoneStarMillennial 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    HMS = HIS Majesty's Ship, during the time period being discussed.

  • @Southernstar-RINO
    @Southernstar-RINO 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The deepest unassisted escape from a submarine is 60mts (200ft).

  • @scousebaz9363
    @scousebaz9363 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The designers of the Sub were at fault. And whoever painted the tube doors with them shut. That Sub was a jinx and should never have been allowed to sail again

    • @gavinjenkins899
      @gavinjenkins899 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thankfully the military doesn't operate on "jinx logic" and sink half their own ships before they even see enemy action, as you would have them do and promptly lose a war because of it. But yes on the fault -- also the brass for having frivolous passengers in a sea trial.

  • @garypinholster1962
    @garypinholster1962 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love binging your videos. Sadly I've watched all of them.

  • @ObiWanCannabi
    @ObiWanCannabi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    sounds about right, because people are expendable where as machines can't be replaced..

  • @IHWKR
    @IHWKR 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Unrelated but very few people have saved humanity from self imposed extinction throughout history. Who will be the next?

  • @boathemian7694
    @boathemian7694 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Subs are creepy as hell. I was a recon marine and we had to train in locking out of subs. Jeezus it’s all a nightmare even when things are going well.

  • @Dontwlookatthis
    @Dontwlookatthis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    That is a very unfortunate headline. Without a doubt this was a case of numerous errors when met at the same day. Starting with the design sub, like installing features backwards so that the controls for the ballast were backwards, the forward dive plane being made so that the locking mechanism would not work to release it (in my understanding of the situation, the navy should have never let this boat go out on even a brief trial until the entire design was reworked), of the watertight doors, painting the torpedo door seals with enamel paint, of not allowing anyone other than the strictly necessary crewmen take the boat out (yes, the subs were still called boats, if you look at the old designation you will find for example K Boats, and beyond), out for the first trial run, and moving to other people, not training enough people on how to use escape suits and escape hatches, the tug not dropping anchor until it was sure that the sub was okay and then not waiting around, regardless of the situation unless they had received an all clear type notice, and then more. Not one person's fault and if it had not been for so many things to have happened at once, quite possibly all these problems with the sub itself, these might have been discovered and fixed. In a way, this is like when America's first supersonic bomber was making its initial flight being filmed by Air Force chase planes, one got close enough so that the vortex wind disturbance generated by the vertical stabilizer caused him to do a roll which caused the jet to hit the vertical stabilizer, and both planes crashed. I do not remember so I speculate that this was still before we knew all of the causes of vortexes. The chase plane was filming and was possibly getting as close as possible to film something the pilot noticed and thought was noteworthy enough to get as close as possible to so so.
    There used to be a show about disasters and what caused them and in every one of the disasters, numerous things, some very small, all met together at the same time.

    • @cubby6988
      @cubby6988 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It’s called the Swiss cheese theory. When you layer enough holes on top of each other, sooner or later, you’re going to create a gigantic hole that is catastrophic.

  • @tb1271
    @tb1271 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just a quick FYI, the H, in H.M.S. then (as now, with KC.III) stood for 'His' not 'Her'.

  • @gunnarsjolander6171
    @gunnarsjolander6171 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Is the last minutes missing?

  • @X737_
    @X737_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    4:00 isn’t that an Oberon class diesel electric boat?

  • @mattx3020
    @mattx3020 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That whole series of boats were deathtraps that were known to dart nose down into the mud all the time

  • @user-fw3fq3de3z
    @user-fw3fq3de3z 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    hi from aussie

    • @MikeHunt-fo3ow
      @MikeHunt-fo3ow 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      hi from usa ever see any of those crazy deadly snakes out in the wild? you guys have a bunch like the brown or taipan which might be called fierce snake as well lol

    • @waterlinestories
      @waterlinestories  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Hey 👌🏻

    • @user-fw3fq3de3z
      @user-fw3fq3de3z 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MikeHunt-fo3ow yeah mate its common even in a city

    • @MikeHunt-fo3ow
      @MikeHunt-fo3ow 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @user-fw3fq3de3z are you trolling me lol.

    • @CatsAreTheBestPeople-mm1fo
      @CatsAreTheBestPeople-mm1fo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@MikeHunt-fo3ow yep, it's spring here, they're all starting to wake up and get angry. 🐍

  • @BionicleFreek99
    @BionicleFreek99 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make!"

  • @ThePwnzerWillDie
    @ThePwnzerWillDie 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Did this video end abrupt?

  • @vicvinegar7671
    @vicvinegar7671 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Only at the start of the vid but damn they gave my man inverted controls of course he is doomed to fail