Without a doubt my favorite plane of the patch. Despite 16v16, the Gripen forces me to enjoy top tier again. 10/10 recommend. My Discord: / discord Air Models: airmodels.net/?aff=220
the best part is that the room for expansion with this plane is insane. You can get the AMRAAM, potentially(or eventually) the IRIS-T and Meteor. There are glide bombs and quite a good bit more of stuff that the Gripen could potentially have added to it. It really is an insane aircraft
much like the ja37c and ja37d, they're gonna add the C for sweden to expand the grind and tech tree size so you need to research the gripen again to use better weapons@@sorincaladera936
A bit hard to happen, a big problem with NATO stuff is getting old armament, like, all chinese jets of 11.0 or more, have at least 9L(PL-5B), while many NATO jets like phantoms, F14A, and others, still with 9G/9J/9H. Gaijin rarely update the armament of vehicles of olds updates.
I don't think the Gripen A will get any fox-3's, the Gripen C for Sweden will probably just get AMRAAM's, and the E will get the IRIS-T's and Meteors, as well as the AIM-9X
People REALLY discount the design of aircraft over their thrust. Yes, the Gripen lacks thrust, but the way its designed and controls it's self is what gives it such great performance. It's why I was saying, despite what everyone else was, that this thing would still be a good fighter. Even the A and C, not just the E. Design matters so much more than people really realize. So this things performance is absolutely no surprise to me. Yeah, its a delta wing, but its a delta wing with massive, moveable canards on a ridiculously light airframe that's also incredibly aerodynamic (much less drag than one would think). So glad they didn't neuter it (tho it is probably still slightly over performing). Also I couldn't place it before but the way you talk and sound reminds me a lot of LevelCap, just with a deeper voice.
Yes, it's absolutely true. I hope someday people will realize that this also applies to the Su-27 and Mig-29, as they are aircraft with one of the most (if not the most) advanced lifting body ever built, but people still think that the f-15 should easily outturn the su-27 in the rate fight, even at low speeds due to the t/v ratio...
@@evangalinsky2499 I don't think its really over performing, but its not acting the way it should. The canards are doing nothing, or actively harming its performance since they are turning the wrong direction (eg forcing the nose down when you try to pull up). It cant pull anywhere near the AoA that it should be able to on war config, its sustain turn is slightly too high, and it should lose more energy when pulling into a turn (though mostly because of the greater AoA). It should keep energy quite well for a delta, but that's only because of the canards, which aren't working...
just one thing about the spotting with the targeting pod that you mention at 7:40, that was a thing when the f14B was dropped. i exploited that heavily for my team in spotting the enemy from like 20km out which honestly always won me games cause ppl knew where everyone is. and at the same time if your hunting for the last guy and cant find him you basically have 20km line of sight in any direction to find them lmao.
Thats a rumor because it's true irl. Probably will be the case in WT too once sweden gets the C and there will be an actual difference between the 2 planes, making the weight worth modeling as well. But right now, theyre the exact same in the files.
@@owenlewis1314 then they changed it from the dev. But that's also wrong I believe from the real vehicle, I don't think the A should have HMD. Could be wrong tho.
In the recent patch the ammo count on the Gripen was lowered from 512 rounds to 120 rounds, still great in a dogfight, but it feels like you need to be conservative with ammo in order to secure gun kills, other than that, looks very nice.
there's (to my knowledge and googling for an hour) no evidence that its limited to 120 other than wikipedia, the primary sources dont even mention the ammo count and with the giganuke to its performance it's compressing extremely much now..@@Alex_w3ps
@@Alex_w3psnobody actually knows what it bears irl, the information is pretty classified, they took it from a finish saab paper on the e version, but the e version is pretty different considering weight and using better missiles, so they could have reduced ammo.
the "orbital strike" how you call it, is the best anti-meta meta lol. Been doing it ever since I grinded through the US tech tree with the TRAM, and the introduction of the 16C with the 9Ms took it to the next level.
Hey yo! I'm trying to use this tactic but found it very hard (specially with the the 27ER spam). Any advice or tip on avoinding it, specially on early game where u need to grind for that altitude without being spotted
we need a rework of top tier Air RB. 16v16 furball clusterfucks are not enjoyable, specially not with fourth gen aircraft. We need more airfields, smaller teams, spread objectives across the map, and maybe even implement EC for Air RB. Otherwise we will be forever stuck with the furballs. Currently there's no space for BVR or dogfights, and that's sad.
the power creep is insane. idk how they thought a mig29 and su27 should be at the same BR. If they use BR to balance the game in a way that I think they do(which im honestly not sure their judgement even makes sense) then the su27 should be at least 12.7 along with the f15, mirage 4000, and JAS39's. Not even top tier is screwed up at the moment though because 9.0-10.3 is majorly screwed up simply because some jets don't have flares and then face 30g missiles and 30g all-aspect missiles and can't do a single thing against them except die. I understand it is super difficult sometimes to balance things especially around that 9.0-10.3 area, but with how things go it really makes me wonder if gaijin even gives a sliver of their time to just focus on fixing it.
Mean while back in rank 5 and 6. The bottom feeders grind profusely in hopes to finally get to that plateau when they can dream no further and can finally handle a top tier jet such as this one. Just 6 more months of hard grinding ... keep the faith slick you can do it -_-
I really wish they were able to make the canards work properly, it hurts me to see the 3D model of the canards forcing your nose down every time you pull up/bank.
The mixed countermeausres with 700 is shit icl ill be dumping flares then all of a sudden theres like 40 chaff in a row coming out needs a sepreate bind
You are the first person I've seen climb with it. Is that an effective tactic? Of course, I can see how effective it was in the video, but I want to understand the overall effectiveness and not just what you showed in the video.
Yes it’s very effective in any jet, as long as you have enough counter measures. Very few do, but the Gripen is one of them. R27ERs are very difficult to trash and requires a lot of chaff, and you’ll need plenty left over flares for IRCCMs after
I tried grinding the Ja39A yesterday woth the j35xs (it made me borderline suicidal) I hate f-111s, I ran into f-4Es 12 times in head-ons by accident, and IVE never seen this many F-5c players pay attention. AAAAHHAHHHA
Ive noticed with the influx of F15's and all the other new jets.... all on the same BR, getting matched with and against F4's..... the F4's are now snails and should never meet those guys in "top tier" which F4's clearly are not. The F15 and its new companions in top tier should never face an F5, ever, full stop, period. Gaijin now needs to fix its seeding system.
Wasn't this the guy talking shit for years saying this plane was gonna be trash, non meta and outclassed in every way? i remember something about "cope swedish players" I'm just joking lmao, glad you liked it, and for sure made me wanna grind it.
I don’t recall that, but I did anticipate it not being very good, because in real life it simply isn’t. 12degrees/second rate at 3000m half tank of gas (real stat). Thankfully gaijin kind of just BSd the FM
@@SeekerHead Okay first of all the gripen is not supposed to be good in sustained turn. The whole point of European fighters are about winning the 1 circle as fast as possible, as 2 circle fights just gets you a fat r74 in the ass. Second: The turn rate of the gripen is literally classified to the point of everytime they film a pilot fly the jet they censor the airspeed so the russians can't calculate the turn rate. I don't know where you found that information but it's most definitely fake. Also it can sustain 9g's turn rate for a decent amount of time, not like american fighters but it can pull 10 times the aoa than all american jets except the f22 for obvious reasons. Also it can carry Meteor missiles which literally outclass the aim120 in every way. Thanks for reply love your videos, sorry if my english sucks not first language.
We both seem to have the same idea as to what people want to see in the order of most to least i suppose. Purely coincidence, though an annoying one :/
I didn't even notice because I use the same colors. IMO the default blue and red are too dark and can fade into the background too easily. IMO the brighter blue and magenta shades contrast better and area easier to read.
I called gripen "black screen". Gripen is pretty fun, but it's difficult to be very effective bcz of weapons, cannon is pretty weak, aim9m feels nerfed. I still prefer m2k 5f if i wonna fun. Also it's pretty mid ground attacker bcz of awful altis, it's like im on British jaguar again. Anyway, gripen is a good addition to the sweden tree.
@@pigs2001as of now you're only winning in the flanker because the weapons. Somehow somewhere gaijin neutered ussr planes on release (again for the 3rd time) and it just doesn't fly good beside for doing acrobatics
So why is it when people *in general* talking about the Gripen its always positive like oooh look how it destroys everything, has an absolutely broken flight model but "in a good way" and all the flares EVAR, again, "in a good way". But, people focusing on the SU27, its like this is the prime example of power creep, its overpowered, this proves Russian bias... When in game, for me at least, its like flying a Oversized MIG that honestly is not bad at all. But certainly not the overpowered god plane some people say it is just to complain about it. 10 Missiles is nice, sure, but the maneuverability of the Gripen is ridiculous, that combined with the fact they can just continuously release chaff for the duration of the fight makes them... "challenging" to fight. Just... sigh sometimes, it sucks to be a "bad guy" main, but, I'm so happy I finally got the SU27, I have always loved its design and features. And again. I'm NOT saying this video specifically highlights what I'm saying this is just a general observation on my part.
I think its flight model will be nerfed. Too many people and content creators say that it's the most fun aircraft in top tier right now. And, well, fun is not for gaijin
Girlfriend? Sorry man gonna have to revoke your war thunder account
Exactly
Yeah man that word its prohibited in the war thunder vocabulary
War thunder players shall not have any bitches
the best part is that the room for expansion with this plane is insane. You can get the AMRAAM, potentially(or eventually) the IRIS-T and Meteor. There are glide bombs and quite a good bit more of stuff that the Gripen could potentially have added to it. It really is an insane aircraft
SA gripen C can get AMRAAMs, but current Swedish Gripen A should never.
much like the ja37c and ja37d, they're gonna add the C for sweden to expand the grind and tech tree size so you need to research the gripen again to use better weapons@@sorincaladera936
A bit hard to happen, a big problem with NATO stuff is getting old armament, like, all chinese jets of 11.0 or more, have at least 9L(PL-5B), while many NATO jets like phantoms, F14A, and others, still with 9G/9J/9H. Gaijin rarely update the armament of vehicles of olds updates.
I don't think the Gripen A will get any fox-3's, the Gripen C for Sweden will probably just get AMRAAM's, and the E will get the IRIS-T's and Meteors, as well as the AIM-9X
Pl-5B isn't a AIM-9L @@Im-getting-shadowbanned
Congratulations! Your J-7E evolved into JAS-39A! The pokedex is now complete.
That top-down missile spam triple kill was amazing.
There's plenty of them :)
@@SeekerHeadthe gripen is the only plane I can really do that, I love it, it's definitely one of the most satisfying planes in wt
@@Plab1402Ive seen a MiG-21SMT do it with 4 R-60s but yeah the gripen does it so much better
People REALLY discount the design of aircraft over their thrust. Yes, the Gripen lacks thrust, but the way its designed and controls it's self is what gives it such great performance. It's why I was saying, despite what everyone else was, that this thing would still be a good fighter. Even the A and C, not just the E. Design matters so much more than people really realize. So this things performance is absolutely no surprise to me. Yeah, its a delta wing, but its a delta wing with massive, moveable canards on a ridiculously light airframe that's also incredibly aerodynamic (much less drag than one would think). So glad they didn't neuter it (tho it is probably still slightly over performing).
Also I couldn't place it before but the way you talk and sound reminds me a lot of LevelCap, just with a deeper voice.
Yes, it's absolutely true. I hope someday people will realize that this also applies to the Su-27 and Mig-29, as they are aircraft with one of the most (if not the most) advanced lifting body ever built, but people still think that the f-15 should easily outturn the su-27 in the rate fight, even at low speeds due to the t/v ratio...
The gripen is still massively overperforming mainly because gaijin can't model canards properly so it Flys like an f16
@@Jay-rb5rs that's literally how it's supposed to make the plane act. Way to not understand exactly what I was saying.
@@evangalinsky2499 I don't think its really over performing, but its not acting the way it should. The canards are doing nothing, or actively harming its performance since they are turning the wrong direction (eg forcing the nose down when you try to pull up). It cant pull anywhere near the AoA that it should be able to on war config, its sustain turn is slightly too high, and it should lose more energy when pulling into a turn (though mostly because of the greater AoA). It should keep energy quite well for a delta, but that's only because of the canards, which aren't working...
@@communisticus191 it's literally just a visual bug. The J-8 had the same problem for the longest time. The elevators moved in the wrong direction.
just one thing about the spotting with the targeting pod that you mention at 7:40, that was a thing when the f14B was dropped. i exploited that heavily for my team in spotting the enemy from like 20km out which honestly always won me games cause ppl knew where everyone is. and at the same time if your hunting for the last guy and cant find him you basically have 20km line of sight in any direction to find them lmao.
6:20 Oh my god that was criminal what u and Joob did, props guys
You are absolutely right. It feels like I'm flying the J7E. Definitely the plane of patch for me.
Gripen my beloved
7:08 heard that C is bit heavier, but it's like flying F-16A/ADF/AJ - you need to 1v1 in perfect conditions to notice weight difference
Thats a rumor because it's true irl. Probably will be the case in WT too once sweden gets the C and there will be an actual difference between the 2 planes, making the weight worth modeling as well. But right now, theyre the exact same in the files.
@@SeekerHead Good, cause I'm 95k RP away from C and getting it today - would go for Swedish one but there I'm 2 planes away from it.
@@MrBboy95 even if it were heavier the A doesn't have HMD, the C does, so for air RB it would still be the better option tbh.
@@evangalinsky2499 Wrong, they both have hmd
@@owenlewis1314 then they changed it from the dev. But that's also wrong I believe from the real vehicle, I don't think the A should have HMD. Could be wrong tho.
although I'm not a sweden main, it's pretty cool to see them get something nice. same goes for britain aswell.
In the recent patch the ammo count on the Gripen was lowered from 512 rounds to 120 rounds, still great in a dogfight, but it feels like you need to be conservative with ammo in order to secure gun kills, other than that, looks very nice.
They did that because that’s what the gripen carries irl and is historically accurate the 512 was just a placeholder is the same as the f16 ammo count
there's (to my knowledge and googling for an hour) no evidence that its limited to 120 other than wikipedia, the primary sources dont even mention the ammo count and with the giganuke to its performance it's compressing extremely much now..@@Alex_w3ps
@@Alex_w3psnobody actually knows what it bears irl, the information is pretty classified, they took it from a finish saab paper on the e version, but the e version is pretty different considering weight and using better missiles, so they could have reduced ammo.
makes it even more j7e experience lol
@@arvalb0 not a hard task searching about guns ammo even on 5th gen jets, so it's not about things being classified or not, just ignorance
the "orbital strike" how you call it, is the best anti-meta meta lol. Been doing it ever since I grinded through the US tech tree with the TRAM, and the introduction of the 16C with the 9Ms took it to the next level.
Hey yo! I'm trying to use this tactic but found it very hard (specially with the the 27ER spam). Any advice or tip on avoinding it, specially on early game where u need to grind for that altitude without being spotted
Seems like they nerfed it just a few days after this video, a shame. Question is, how much does it impact the overall performance?
we need a rework of top tier Air RB. 16v16 furball clusterfucks are not enjoyable, specially not with fourth gen aircraft. We need more airfields, smaller teams, spread objectives across the map, and maybe even implement EC for Air RB. Otherwise we will be forever stuck with the furballs. Currently there's no space for BVR or dogfights, and that's sad.
the power creep is insane. idk how they thought a mig29 and su27 should be at the same BR. If they use BR to balance the game in a way that I think they do(which im honestly not sure their judgement even makes sense) then the su27 should be at least 12.7 along with the f15, mirage 4000, and JAS39's. Not even top tier is screwed up at the moment though because 9.0-10.3 is majorly screwed up simply because some jets don't have flares and then face 30g missiles and 30g all-aspect missiles and can't do a single thing against them except die. I understand it is super difficult sometimes to balance things especially around that 9.0-10.3 area, but with how things go it really makes me wonder if gaijin even gives a sliver of their time to just focus on fixing it.
Yeah. This is one of the things that really need to be addressed in the next roadmap. 16v16 also makes bluewater naval way too hectic as well.
So you talking about a new tactics?! I have a question, so you climb high altitude in side of the map and you will not eating phoenixes?🤔
I unlocked the 39c tonight and I am loving it. The nose authority is insane, it just pulls and pulls.
While youre pulling your nose would you mind pulling my finger? :P
I keep getting fucked up by missiles and my 9Ls are almost worthless but when I get a good dogfight it is absolutely insane
Mean while back in rank 5 and 6. The bottom feeders grind profusely in hopes to finally get to that plateau when they can dream no further and can finally handle a top tier jet such as this one. Just 6 more months of hard grinding ... keep the faith slick you can do it -_-
Gripen is the aircraft that sweden players deserve.
I really wish they were able to make the canards work properly, it hurts me to see the 3D model of the canards forcing your nose down every time you pull up/bank.
The targeting pot thing has been a thing for a while - harrier pilot
I approve
i need the hungarian sub tech tree in italian air with grippen in my life
The mixed countermeausres with 700 is shit icl ill be dumping flares then all of a sudden theres like 40 chaff in a row coming out needs a sepreate bind
7:05 maby you need to cut the cheat out , wtf why are this people not band,
good video!
gg ty
You are the first person I've seen climb with it. Is that an effective tactic? Of course, I can see how effective it was in the video, but I want to understand the overall effectiveness and not just what you showed in the video.
Yes it’s very effective in any jet, as long as you have enough counter measures. Very few do, but the Gripen is one of them. R27ERs are very difficult to trash and requires a lot of chaff, and you’ll need plenty left over flares for IRCCMs after
Be a us main have to use the same missiles for the 4 big patch of the game and having the f16 still best us jet
Would u do a dogfight with the grippen and j7e?
the British version has slightly more thrust than the Swedish one. other than that, they are the same
Do it be Gripen tho?
I still think the mirage 4000 is better in a dogfight :D at least in my results
Why is Sweden gripen not able to use aim 9m anymore?? I thought I was supposed to use it but now it is just rb-74
it gets RB74Ms - literally aim-9m
The roll rate makes every other top tier plane feel terrible in comparison. Also idk if it’s smart or not, but I like to run 5ir and 1 skyflash
I am curently at swedish props, do you guys have an advice how to grind faster? RB in these props is sooo boring
U just gotta thug it out
Buy a premium jet, air rb still sucks, but prop air rb sucks unlimited dicks.
My dopamine receptors will be completely fried by the time I'm done with the Gripen :PPPPP
still not rejoice enough, the Sweden gets A while the Britain gets C :(
I tried grinding the Ja39A yesterday woth the j35xs (it made me borderline suicidal) I hate f-111s, I ran into f-4Es 12 times in head-ons by accident, and IVE never seen this many F-5c players pay attention. AAAAHHAHHHA
Ive noticed with the influx of F15's and all the other new jets.... all on the same BR, getting matched with and against F4's..... the F4's are now snails and should never meet those guys in "top tier" which F4's clearly are not. The F15 and its new companions in top tier should never face an F5, ever, full stop, period.
Gaijin now needs to fix its seeding system.
@@bangyahead1 I got it now and spaded it in one day, I even put an an expert crew on it, I love it so much, its so good!
Man got a quad kill and didn't even mention it. What a champion
I get 4 kills every 2-3 games with gripen its unbeatable close range
@@CruLisP me hearing this as I'm only 150k exp away from the f15a
Wasn't this the guy talking shit for years saying this plane was gonna be trash, non meta and outclassed in every way? i remember something about "cope swedish players"
I'm just joking lmao, glad you liked it, and for sure made me wanna grind it.
I don’t recall that, but I did anticipate it not being very good, because in real life it simply isn’t. 12degrees/second rate at 3000m half tank of gas (real stat). Thankfully gaijin kind of just BSd the FM
@@SeekerHead Okay first of all the gripen is not supposed to be good in sustained turn. The whole point of European fighters are about winning the 1 circle as fast as possible, as 2 circle fights just gets you a fat r74 in the ass. Second: The turn rate of the gripen is literally classified to the point of everytime they film a pilot fly the jet they censor the airspeed so the russians can't calculate the turn rate. I don't know where you found that information but it's most definitely fake. Also it can sustain 9g's turn rate for a decent amount of time, not like american fighters but it can pull 10 times the aoa than all american jets except the f22 for obvious reasons.
Also it can carry Meteor missiles which literally outclass the aim120 in every way.
Thanks for reply love your videos, sorry if my english sucks not first language.
😭😭😭🦅🦅🦅 but in all seriousness, Gripen fun
i lov u general lee 2000
@@fuksoup thanks man!
spotting enemies at 20km with targeting pod - bug or feature?
Feature
it's fixed now :(
SVERIGEEEEEE!!! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Why do you synchronice with defyn 😂
We both seem to have the same idea as to what people want to see in the order of most to least i suppose. Purely coincidence, though an annoying one :/
What the hell are those colors for friendly and foe!
I didn't even notice because I use the same colors. IMO the default blue and red are too dark and can fade into the background too easily. IMO the brighter blue and magenta shades contrast better and area easier to read.
@@GeneralArmchair I got what you'd call some tard eyes (color blindness) and all I saw was a bunch of the same dam thing! 😆
You clearly havnt played the mirage 4k if you think the top 3 is between the su27, gripen and f15 when the f15 is just a glorified f14 atm
F14 is better atm, having TWS and the option for fox 3s brings more capabilities than a knife fighter
I called gripen "black screen".
Gripen is pretty fun, but it's difficult to be very effective bcz of weapons, cannon is pretty weak, aim9m feels nerfed. I still prefer m2k 5f if i wonna fun. Also it's pretty mid ground attacker bcz of awful altis, it's like im on British jaguar again.
Anyway, gripen is a good addition to the sweden tree.
It’s hard nerfed now. Gaijin got there GE requirements looks like
The su 27 is not worth it to play rn, its flight performance is dogshit as it looses all its speed in 1-2 turns. Just like the mig-29smt
I keep seeing this take and can't understand it, the Flanker is super powerful in air RB
true gaijin should buff It
@@pigs2001 its flight model pulls so much aoa that it literally falls out of the sky after 2-3 turns
@@pigs2001as of now you're only winning in the flanker because the weapons. Somehow somewhere gaijin neutered ussr planes on release (again for the 3rd time) and it just doesn't fly good beside for doing acrobatics
So why is it when people *in general* talking about the Gripen its always positive like oooh look how it destroys everything, has an absolutely broken flight model but "in a good way" and all the flares EVAR, again, "in a good way".
But, people focusing on the SU27, its like this is the prime example of power creep, its overpowered, this proves Russian bias...
When in game, for me at least, its like flying a Oversized MIG that honestly is not bad at all. But certainly not the overpowered god plane some people say it is just to complain about it.
10 Missiles is nice, sure, but the maneuverability of the Gripen is ridiculous, that combined with the fact they can just continuously release chaff for the duration of the fight makes them... "challenging" to fight.
Just... sigh sometimes, it sucks to be a "bad guy" main, but, I'm so happy I finally got the SU27, I have always loved its design and features.
And again. I'm NOT saying this video specifically highlights what I'm saying this is just a general observation on my part.
this things is basically unkillable
Do you think Romania will be added as a subtree maybe in the future?
na
of what, Italy? Lol.
The only top tier they could possibly get is the LanceR
@@jcon5698 would be a nice event or premium vehicle tho
@@jcon5698 yeah but they got 109's and IAR-80's and 81's for WS2
f16c, su27 maybe f15 still better
Gripen is pretty good, still destroying them in my F-16C
@7:01 chat be racist, keep it classy, chat
can we just get raw footage also. it looks so smooth
What do you mean? just gameplay? or like live commentary?
@@SeekerHeadhe means unedited games
Sorry Seek but the Rafale is arguably a much purer and cleaner design than the Gripen. :)
Wrong, learn to put the refueling probe inside the plane next time bozo. xP
Gripen needs AMRAAM A/Bs now, Skyflashes are a joke completely fair compared to the turbospamm of ERs
broken like all sweden top tier
I think its flight model will be nerfed. Too many people and content creators say that it's the most fun aircraft in top tier right now. And, well, fun is not for gaijin
Im just suprised the JAS39 has anything at all to compete with the Su57, Gaijin seems to like having just one nation dominate top tier each patch.
take me back to when the f4e was the best 🥲🥲