Destiny Grills A Pro-Palestine For His Solution
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Sadly China is supplying huthies too
Can you do a vid about how when a ytber in UK digs a bunker under his house he gets subs ..but Jews do it as there homeland is attacked and people bad mouth them and assume there the worst
I am glad I agree with Destiny on something. 😅 I would also like to add that Palastine and Hamas are actively tesching their children to hate Jews. There is multiple videos out showing Hamas actively recruiting child soldiers through "summer camps" and others showing graduation celebrations with students acting out an attack against the jews.
@@danwarb1I think he calls that “moving the goal post”? Cause it may be similar but not the same.
@@marclucido5721this is alarmingly accurate. I’ve watched videos that show the cartoons, textbooks, and children shows that encourage these innocent children to kill all Jews, Jews are bad, they’re evil, it’s all their fault, and that martyrdom is the best way to go out. At a Hamas rally, one father is holding his infant daughter. He is asked if he would be happy if she turned into a su!cide bomber in the future. With a big smile he said “of course!” He would support her, encourage her, and help her anyway he could.
It truly is disgusting. I’m a parent, I couldn’t imagine wishing for such a brutal end to my innocent child.
Prime is a great example of someone who doesn't know much of anything about the subject, yet will advocate for unreasonable and unrealistic solutions
Destiny is also a good example
@@yagirltones8748 Such as?
they both are to be honest , you can only specialize in so many subject matters
@@bingbong3084it's not about specialising in a subject matter, it's about doing minimal research so that you know what's going on before you speak on the matter
@@yagirltones8748how so? I'd like an example from this debate where he was pushing for something without knowing historical context, because prime seems to not know any history, any peace resolution attempts, etc. he seems to think if Israel stops hamas will stop too and they will be able to resolve everything peacefully which is an absolute joke 😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
i love how hes like Israel should not ethnically cleanse them, but they should give their country away and ethnically cleanse themselves if thats what Palestinian people want lmao
His arguments are so bad that they actually justify the position of the other side
Lol This guy has zero self awareness. He also has soooo much faith in Hamas. 😂
@@MaximusTCRwell that’s not a bad argument unless you believe the Hamas line that Israel doesn’t exist and so destroying it wouldn’t be a loss. But to any sane person yea bad argument.
yeah, that is how the peace would finally come to the region when they don't exist anymore. At least he exposes how he really feels
@MaximusTCR it's not a bad argument if you hate Jews lmao
"What is the Palestinian goal?"
"States' rights."
"States' rights to do WHAT?"
[Sweating nervously while trying to justify the Jewish Genocide through democracy.]
This. I'm not sure he or others like him are bright enough to understand this analogy
It’s totally not about slavery, it’s about following interstate law… wait, wrong argument…
hilariously this also applies to FTRTTS. its basically identical to the confederate flag, and white hippies using the slogan are the same as boomers who liked Dukes of Hazzard.
I dont understand this comment. If panestinian self-determination is not an option then what is? The only other option is continued occupation, which benefits no group.
@@alexanderbergstrom4405 the point is they want to create a state in which the mission statement is eradication of Jewish people kind of inhibits motivations to reduce security measures
I love Lycan always coming in to bring up irrelevant information that does nothing to help the Pro Palestinian position he always horribly defends
I think he secretly Pro Isreal 😂😂😂
Idk why he thought destiny wouldn’t know that surviving remnants would join similar radical terrorist groups. Like no shit but that’s not destiny’s point lmao😭😭😭
I didn't even get there yet and now I dread it, thanks!
How long has he been on the bang maid grind now and still no traction with flipping destiny's position?
I can't stand lycan.
This fellow, like all pro-Palestinian apologists, cannot admit to the possibility that the Palestinians have done anything wrong. Their default stance is that the Palestinians are always victims, that they are always the oppressed, and that therefore, they are always right. They can't admit that a seeming minority (the Palestinians are not a minority) can be wrong. It does not fit within their worldview. If they admit that, then suddenly they have to be objective, and that will destroy their entire narrative.
It's the anti-colonial lens they force the world though. It's pretty much "it was ottoman land but not really so the European Jews and British shouldn't have legally bought the land from the legal land owners and every time Isreal defended itself it was actually the aggressor because colonialism" it's a horrifically stupid way to view the world.
Let me try and make it clear for you
Invaders and colonisers are always wrong
If Chinese people were given some of England and claimed it’s their right to be there and formed a state and kicked people out of their home
Any and all violence will be traced back to those Chinese invaders and settlers
This is obviously hard for Americans to understand
But not others
Given our homes didn’t come to be by kicking people out and stealing their land
Hope this helps
Well said
Your comment put it perfectly. It’s strange witnessing this level of cognitive dissonance.
Small correction, "and therefore," not "and that therefore,"
Prime wouldn't annoy me as much if he wasn't so smug about everything he says only to stumble so hard to get words out when a good point is brought up.
@@TubeWuselhe's just an introvert probably a lil on the spectrum. He is really bad at social cues it almost got him cancelled.
Couple that with the fact that all his takes are bad and you get Primecayes
@@kingrainbow5432That’s hilarious
@@kingrainbow5432 They aren't his takes, he copy pastes his virtue signalling far left community. This conversation is proof that he hasn't actually thought about any of the broader concepts of the war.
@@TubeWusel conclooded: no fuckin way
@@kingrainbow5432 nah hes just a weed smoker, he talks this way cuz hes always high.
The world is so simple for these people. Just be against bad stuff. And if bad things happen you just stop the bad stuff. Simple.
What is bad depends on your perspective. No two bad things are the same if you ask two different people.
Some consider Jan 6th really bad. Other consider it as something good.
@@PuddingXXL I don't thinkif you asked those people they would be able to provide anything good even subjectively that resulted from Jan 6th.
This is the best way to describe it and why so many high school and college kids hop onboard. Zero idea of reality
Negotiation:
Israel: "We stop the bombs, please stop terrorism"
Hamas: "Ok"
*Peace*
Bibi should have gone to the border on October 8th, bent over and said "bring us back the hostages pretty please 😢"
1:15:44 This is the thesis of every Progressive. "those with power are ALWAYS oppressors. Those without power are ALWAYS oppressed. Being the oppressor is NEVER morally justifiable and no action the oppressor takes other than surrendering to the oppressed is justifiable. The oppressed have zero responsibilities to be civil and are justified in any action that has the goal of removing the oppressor from power." They see all human interaction as the competition between oppressor and oppressed, but the oppressor cannot use any advantage they have gained from their power because to do so would be "unfair". Hamas has no air defense or air force so the use of air power by Israel is "unfair". Its a childish view of the world they have never grown out of and it is sad to see.
Facts brother
Does this mean we were oppressing the Nazis towards the end of the war? Lol, progs/Marxists are so stupid.
Not every Progressive. These are just the loud ones currently.
It’s literally true the oppressed is justified in any action to remove it’s oppression
You say it’s a childish view. Well the opposite view is a cucked view with no concept of dignity. I’m not a progressive this just seemed like common sense.
It's mostly true though. Not in all cases ofc, and ofc there is nuance. But israel is a terrorist state with power. Palestine is a terrorist state without power. That's mostly the general picture of what's happening.
"Violence isn't going to end this."
Also "Hamas has no other options than violence."
The oppressor sets the bar for the oppressed to responde so yes
I will never follow you. The world is waking up to the evil that the Israeli government is doing to Gaza, West Bank, and to it's OWN people! How can you now fully admit that lobbyists, media, politics is heavily influenced by 1 group in particular - and their ties to one specific country terrorizing people in the middle east. I have JEWISH friends that know the discrimination taught IN Israel and across the west bank. IDF is letting their own people die and be used for propaganda. Innocent people, evil leaders. They don't care about the hostages, they want to take over the land. Satanyanhu will be held accountable and they can't hide anymore the fact - those extremists never wanted a 2 state solution, his own words now.
@@kreyrfer8293 Interesting, whose the oppressor?
That is the entire debate in a nutshell. Absolutely delussional take.
Didn't Gandhi's path work?
I really believe if the Palestinians were putting their weapons down they would have a state a long time ago@@kreyrfer8293
I love how Prime calls the Palestinians "Us." Very Freudian.
Self insert fan fictions
@@ffff7164literally a YA novel for these people... damn wtf
These are all people who were picked on in school probably for legitimate reasons and now they see themselves as lifelong victim underdogs and will attach themselves to any movement they see themselves in.
@@robertstone9988projecting 😅
@@Wandeezimo nope. Still not sitting at the cools kids table I assume? Still pretending you don't care as well?
It's so annoying listening to people that know fuck all about military tactics and weapons speak with such authority.
You don't need to be a military genius to know that Israels response is over the top, thier campaign have killed in there months higher civilian counts per capita to the population of gaza in three months than the civilian casualties per capita in Syria in ten years of a civil war
I cringe every time I hear people with zero military experience or knowledge outside of COD talk a out military shit
Don't get me started when they talk about how this should have been done
Or stutter there way through it
"Just send in John Wick, idiots."
I remember him from some earlier debates, his main flaw, as it seems to me, is infinite faith in the hamas and all pro palestinian arguments, with little to no self-reflection...
It's simple: the poorer, browner people are always virtuous victims, the richer, whiter people are always demonic colonizing genociders. That's the extent of the analysis.
While true it is not just the left@@mongoosegang
The biggest reason why people don’t believe in the Kumbaya MLK shit regarding Gaza is because of the West Bank. Full stop the West Bank expansion is fucking cringe and it’s the ultimate “well look at this” issue pro Palestinian supporters can pull up to back their emotional appeal.
his main flaw is that his IQ approaches near minimum levels. he's completely unrealistic, transparently biased (for some reason), and ignores questions he has 0 answer to. He sounds like he watched some extreme pro-palestine opinion and decided to try and champion it for some reason lol
@@ELDENLORD89 Not trying to justify or excuse the settlements but tbh after watching all of the reserach streams and watching a few documentaries on the conflict I can kind understand why Israel has this "fuck all of you this I my land and I will do what I want with it" attitude.
For nearly a full fucking century theyve been surrounded by people who openly and avidly call for the death of all jews and it looks like its made them so callous and so hardened that they no longer care about any civility. They still abide by many of international laws but even that has worn thin after oct 8 and its going to take a miracle to settle anything over there now.
comparing the history of Palestine to the struggle of black people in America is insulting to black people in America
Yea it's the same thing they are do to South Africa
Hell right now a genocide is happening in Congo j think that still worse
Well, insulting blk people is something we never want to do...So sad
It is and it’s a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters. And also they do that to be able to call you a racist if you disagree with their position on the conflict or your sympathies lean to Israel
@@EmperorDxDlooks over to sudan
@@PuddingXXL oh but you won't here about that in the news no
SO glad to see prime get schooled on this. That said, prime really ought to apologize for his gross/rude behavior towards Eris during the last Israel debate.
What did he say? Or do u have a link to the video?
He made fun of her for having friends that were killed by Hamas on October 7th
Prime and repulsive lack of empathy for people in his outgroup -- there's no more iconic duo. In Erudite's "Panel LOSES IT over Incel Debate | ft. @ChudLogic, @Whick-TV" around 20:00, Prime starts laughing gleefully about male depression and suicide rates, than sanctimoniously defends himself for doing so.
Not exactly a surprise he can't envision the feelings of Israelis about a one-state solution here -- he sees them as white, and he hates white people, so any discomfort they feel with Palestinian support of atrocities against them is inherently racist and unjustified. There's a reason he brought up "what did white people think black people would do after the Civil War?"
Judging by some of the end statements, I think Prime thinks he totally won and thinks Destiny totally agrees with him but just doesn't know it yet, like as if that whole hour and a half didn't just happen.
@@ChachiMcSwaqqWe thought they would do exactly what they have done...make our nation incredibly violent.
31:35 “Raping and pillaging innocent civilians, desecrating corpses, burning infants alive, raping hostages and filming all of their atrocities bragging about them on the internet is the language of the unheard.” -MLK Jr.
I love when people who know absolutely nothing about war, tactics or muntions speak like they are Subject Matter Experts on it... JuSt UsE sMaLlEr BoMbS🙃
Too much cod
These people are clowns and just parrot 2k pound bombs because it sounds scary to the average person,
"Just send in troops so less people die" Clueless
Imagine being an Israèl apologist
Main take away from that should be that stupid points like that don't really matter to them, they are just looking for justification of the 1 state solution, river to the seas.
All I hear Prime saying is
“Israel is worse because they aren’t being the bigger man and giving the terrorists what they want so that the terrorists see Israel isn’t really so bad and they have a change of heart.”
Inane.
The funny thing is thous ppl don't understand that Israeli people are humans as well and being radicalized as well 😂😂 Israelis should be robots and negotiat with the ppl who attacked them .. but Palestinians are justified to be radicalized as they want 😂
I'll never get over Prime always doing his stupid condescending laugh every time he doesn't have an argument to buy time to come up with another bs counterargument / mental gymnastic
This. This sooo much. I like Prime, he seems like a decent enough guy, hes had some really really good back n forths in the past, he would bring up some good points and ask about topic/things he didnt understand and concede or at least change his position/opinion based on new information. Unfortunately I feel like more recently, (especially on this topic) theres none of that candor anymore. Its just twitter headlines, heaps of indignation on any amount of pushback, and that condescending laugh over and over again. Sadge. So many orbiters falling down this same hole every single discussion lately just feels like the same merry-go-round. Sajj
I don't get why people don't ever push back on the 22k casualty number. We have no idea what the ratio of civilians vs Hamas/terrorist deaths is. Yes, most of the deaths will more than likely be civilians, which is fucking terrible, but that's mostly on the group who hijacks civilian infrastructure and intentionally sets up in densely populated areas. Unfortunately, the primary group who determines these casualty numbers is at the very least affiliated with Hamas, at the worst directly controlled, giving them reason to count as many casualties as possible without differentiating between civilians and Hamas fighters.
Also, just because a casualty is a kid (person under 18), or a woman, doesn't mean they're a civilian. It's fucked up, but Hamas/other terrorist groups do use people under 18. I've read instances of 9-year-olds even being used.
I believe in a free Palestine, and I want the war to stop, but the people supporting/feeding into the propaganda of Hamas are only ensuring the conflict will continue beyond this war.
Independent investigation by amnesty international found no evidence what so ever Hamas uses human shields or pure forces or strategically directs civilians for this purpose
You say we shouldn’t believe hamas
So I ask why you don’t apply that the other way?
Unless you have either read through and explained why amnesty’s investigation is flawed and you can explain what evidence you have, you are doing the exact same thing you accuse others of
So I ask on what grounds is amnesty wrong and what independent investigation can you cite to back up your claims?
@@fifiadanAmnesty international isn't unbiased, and even if it was, they're still incorrect. The UN did their own study of it and found that they WERE using human shields, and have in the past as well. (The UN majority is for a ceasefire and recognizes Palestine as a country) so you can't claim bias against the Palestinians.
The people dont even need to have any affiliation or connection to Hamas. They could just be biased and thus think a small lie will only increase their plead for help from the international community.
@@fifiadanIdf constantly putting videos out of rocket launch sites under and around schools and mosques, and other civilian infrastructure. Kind of hard to fake considering they're dug in permanent structures, not easy to move small arms
brother, look no further than the most pro-palestinian media out there, Al Jazeera and Hamas themselves.
they have shown operatives punching a hole in an apartment wall to launch an improvised 200$ rocket.
look at palestinians looting supply trucks as fast as they can so that hamas soldiers dont get to it first, and if they do, look how the civilians treat their supposed "freedom fighters" by shouting at them and spitting in their direction for stealing their fuel and medicine.@@fifiadan
One of them “pro-Palestine”
Yeah the ones that dislike Israel’s lol
It's code for anti-semite😅
I like codes.
Will he debate norman finkelstein tho... what a fake debate bro
@@hartyewh1yes dude, everyone who disagrees with [POSITION HERE] is secretly a hateful maniac and there are no other reasons whatsoever. This is an excellent way to address criticisms around the conflict and will definitely help foster a mutual understanding.
It's funny that Prime said "The IDF told them to leave and that they could come back". The IDF wasn't even formed into a few weeks AFTER this incident. Also, it was the other Arab leaders who told them to leave saying they would win, and they could come back. Why would Israel ask them to come back when they won the war? 🤣🤣
Prime's arguments (he isn't the only person on the pro side to believe them btw) has actually made me less empathetic towards the group. Why would I ever want to support a group that believes what Prime believes? You're not the "good" guys lol
Believe what?
Okay well if this is how you come to opinions
If I showed you Israeli officials not nobody debaters justifying blowing up every building in Gaza which is obviously genocide
Or if I showed you mainstream journalists advocating forced expulsion
You will immediately not be empathetic toward Israel?
For some reason I won’t hold my breath though
But maybe you are consistent
@@fifiadanWeird, you’d think if they wanted to genocide Palestinians they’d start with the ones within Israel’s borders. It’s almost like ethnicity has nothing to do with it. You’re the one inserting ethnicity into the equation to try to appeal to Western sympathies by screeching about “genocide”.
@@fifiadan There are PLENTY of reasonable Israeli speakers. I'm one of them. Yes, we will all admit that Israel is not perfect. But you know what, all we need to prove is that Israeli ACTIONS are morally better than Palestinian actions on average throughout history (at least last 2500 years). And, you see, even then you already start questioning who was a Palestinian 2000 years ago, and yet it's still very clear who was Judean/Israeli.
Anyway, my point is, there ARE good pro-palestinian speakers. But they are sooo rare... And most of them will push for non violent resistance because they know lots of their compatriots are fucking bonkers af.
@@AntonAdelson I don’t agree Palestinians actions are worse than Israeli
You are Israeli so of course you believe this but to any independent unbiased analysis it’s not the case. Israel is currently committing genocide according to the view of myself and many nations and lawyers. Israel has subjected Palestinians to terrible inhumane conditions following the forced expulsion of Palestinians from their homes.
Israel has done things like shot and killed many innocent Palestinians great March of return for example
Israel has given forced sterilisation to Ethiopian Jews and admitted this
Israel has detained many Palestinians for minor crimes without fair trial
Israel has engaged in many wars and invasions over the years that kill a lot of Palestinians mostly children
Israel has many radicals and many parts of its society that promotes killing Arabs
I mean the list is endless
I and most people are not in agreement with you that Israel is morally superior
You can continue to remain biased to your nation and ignore reality or engage in some self reflection
Your choice
There's a reason Egypt won't take in Palestinian refugees.
There’s a reason Jews have been expelled over a 100 times.
And not one Pro-Palestinian sympathizer is upset with that.
@@shaniceb.5129 cos thous ppl don't think Israeli people are humans. They want Israelis to be a therapist to everyone's past trauma, well what about their own trauma? They should just get over it and give sacrifices to accomplish utopia
Props to Destiny for keeping his cool with Primecayes during this convo. Prime was pretty much spewing nonsense throughout the whole conversation lol
Lmao I laughed every time Destiny pointed out his flawed argument and his response was silence then change the subject. 😂
Tends to be the case with Prime
Found the House ......
@@shaun5047 arent that true for practically all pro palestinians tho? All they have are flawed arguments, and every time you point out the flaw, all they can do is change the subject and come up with another wild accusation. israel palestine conflict have been a passion for me for roughly 15 years, and yet to this day, i don't think I've ever come across a single pro palestinian that it been possible to have a rational and proper discussion with because they all just keep spewing out the same 4-5 lies on repeat. when you argue their lies you only get one of the other lie in return, og they link a anti-semitic article from UN, HRW, and so on. they simply not capable to defend their point of view in any meaningful way. 90% of the world chanting "from the river to the sea, we shall be free" don't even know it's a call for the genocide of the Jews and destruction of Israel.
@@goldeneagle256 eh I’m not going paint an entire side with the same negative brush. The situation is super complicated with both sides having valid points. I’d argue anyone that thinks one side is obviously right is probably super bias. lol If the issue was so black and white then there wouldn’t be so many people disagreeing.
It took Prime 56 minutes to move past the first point when he finally says “Not all conflicts are created equal.”
I wouldn’t mind Prime’s stupidity if he wasn’t smug.
yeah the guy is honestly insufferable
"what courtyard has been bombed?" - "THE NEW YORK TIMES DID AN ARTICLE" Prime is off his rocker with this one.
Its Prime running with Lycan support what did you expect.
The New York Times did report Israel bombing a hospital. The retraction that realized it was a misfired Hamas rocket that landed in the courtyard next to the hospital. 2000 pound bombs tho
Some what 23,000 people (combatants and civs) have died in Gaza since oct 7th. Out of a population of 2.5 million. 600,00 have died in the syrian civil war. Half a million in Ukraine, Iraq. In terms of scale this conflict is still small.
That's not what's important. What really matters is that our collective media has told Prime to be angry. So he is.
@@russelld2925But when you people are mad and use just under 2k dead as a justification to kill 10X that of moslty children it’s totally rational and enlightened right? 😂
The 23,000 number provided courtesy of the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry and Rocket Storage. A totally trustworthy source for sure.
Those 2.5M are starving, without their homes, or have less equal rights than most human beings. Give your head a shake. The world is waking up to the evil that the Israeli government is doing to Gaza, West Bank, and to it's OWN people! How can you now fully admit that lobbyists, media, politics is heavily influenced by 1 group in particular - and their ties to one specific country terrorizing people in the middle east. I have JEWISH friends that know the discrimination taught IN Israel and across the west bank. IDF is letting their own people die and be used for propaganda. Innocent people, evil leaders. They don't care about the hostages, they want to take over the land. Satanyanhu will be held accountable and they can't hide anymore the fact - those extremists never wanted a 2 state solution, his own words now.
This dude has defeated himself in this "debate" time and time again. He can scream "VIOLENCE IS NOT THE SOLUTION" then he goes on to say that violence is the only answer. Rinse, repeat. WTF is this guys deal.
Autism
"War is Deceipt." - Mohammad
If you listen closely, you can actually hear a tiny Norm Finkelstein bouncing around in Lycan's empty skull
he embarrasses himself more and more about this
@@jboss119 This is one issue where people really need to open themselves up to the possibility they're wrong. The stubborn refusal to admit they're wrong has severe consequences that are costing people their lives, literally every day. People like Prime blindly pushing he pro terrorist apologia, encouraging Palestinians to commit civilizational suicide, thinking they're helping them.
It’s embarrassing.
There is alot of mumbling and rambling just like norman
I love when people try to reduce the conflict to something in order to produce the idea that there is such an easy solution while putting all the blame on Israel.
It's really easy for these people to say what's bad. It's much more difficult for them to say what should happen. Every time they are asked what should happen they stumble all over themselves and can't give a meaningful answer.
Lefties dont actually know how to navigate real-world pushback, their ideas rest in idealistic situations controlled for all variables with everyone having the same "goal".
They are the ones that subconsciously promote each side as "monoliths", easier to virtue signal and dismiss things (ex. religious fundamentalists & Iranian money within the Pro-Palestine side)
Yeah they have the mental ability of toddlers when it comes to serious geopolitical Military matters.
@@hamburgerjones695 It's amazing. Intelligent people recognize what they don't know. I probably have access to less than 1% of the information needed to know the appropriate actions each side should be taking. Which is why I don't pretend to know how Israel should fight its wars. But somehow, PrimeCayes, from his bedroom in America knows what size bombs Israel should be dropping, that their military and strategic objectives will fail, that "negotiations" are the answer, and that the Jews would be perfectly fine as a minority in a state dominated by Palestinians. The hubris and arrogance is mind boggling.
Because they either have no solution, or something that’s genuinely evil
Oh they give their answers. It's just that the answer's meaning is horribly immoral and unjust.
"My solution is that Israel should dissolve or become a minority in their own country"
Jesus, I dunno if destiny and prime have spoken on this since that one debate panel a long while back but the difference is pretty staggering. I remember there being a few historical points Destiny could bring up in contention, but it was so recent then that there was still a bit of a grey zone on whether Prime had any legitimate points.
Now with all the research under Destiny's belt, the solidified positions, the time passed, this was an absolute slaughter lmao. Prime whining about destiny freaking out on him when all he did was rehash every stupid point Prime made in the conversation after it was clear he had no clue what he was talking about. Prime's only tactic in this debate was to do a shitty fake laugh whenever he was stunlocked.
Good on Destiny with all that research, it's insane the difference in info he had on hand compared to before.
Agreed. I actually discovered Destiny at the beginning of this war when he was still just learning the early history, and making great arguments but still sometimes equivocating in response to arguments because of knowledge gaps. Now he understands the entire conflict more than most of the world class “experts”. It’s very impressive
Destiny slayed him! The fact that he didn't know a lot about the conflict also means he is not emotionally involved which I think is one of his key strengths.
Lmfao I love how multiple times destiny called out his stupidity and instead of answering or explaining himself he just completely ignores it and changes the subject. 😂😂
can you show me where?
@@lucasl9632when he said that Israel should start negotiations after oct 7
@@lucasl9632about 34 minutes in Destiny asks Prime what Israel should offer in exchange for hostages and Prime pivots and asks what Israel gains by killing civilians. Also earlier Destiny asked Prime if it’s ok for Israel to fight today because Hamas launched rockets yesterday, and he had no answer. Just a few examples that came to mind I’m sure there’s more
@@talsappsIsrael should end the accusation, if you don't a vailont back lash don't accupy and steal others land is not that complicated, the conflict didn't start in the 7th of October. I do understand it makes feel better when you say that but it's simply not true.
@@nartali9683 What land?
it's just SAD......imagine being taught your whole life to die fighting trying to take back grandpa's home, when grandpa had 10 children, and all of them had children.......so like, fighting to the death for what? a restroom tile?
Dying for a delusion
That’s why they spawn so many. Need to keep breeding freedom fighters.
Isn't Israel entire claim to a country based on 4000yr old grandpa lived in that area?
People in Gaza have so many children because from a evolutionary perspective they have more success to reproduce. It's counterintuitive but all 3th world countries try to breed as much as possible, giving the fact that 3/4 of them will die for famine, war, diseases, etc. Having 1/2 children would be the end of their lienage. Meanwhile 1th world nations have generally 1/2/3 children giving them more chances of success: better family education, expensive universities, better social connections, etc. That happens all the time.
@@KM-tx7mn their claim is their current rule over the land. You need a good reason to tell all those people they have to go bye bye.
The guy had less than zero facts its actually amazing.
And yet his smug levels were off the charts!
Violence generates violence , but he never thinks that “yeah, that’s why Israel is also pissed off, it’s cycle”. For him it’s just Israel violence generates Hamas violence
"I don't care about IDF casualties" this is the mindset of everyone saying Israel is doing something wrong. like it or not countries are allowed to weigh lives of their soldiers against civilian collateral damage and they can value the life of a soldier as higher than the life of the enemy's civilians. I don't like modern warfare either, I think it's a cowards way of fighting war but that's modern warfare
What do you mean it seems smart to me why is being smart cowered
"A cowards way of fighting war". What would you rather have.
Nothing cowardly about this war or any war, to be honest. What would be a war that isn't cowardly? Everyone gather in the streets for fist fights? Break dancing competitions?
@@john12354 😂
You do realize modern warfare, especially by western powers, has less civilian casualties then ever before right?
He's doing more to convince people to listen to Jordan Peterson than any marketing team ever could, some people really should clean up their rooms before solving world problems they know nothing about
You can feel the cogs in prime's brain working overtime trying to compute a way backwards from his conclusions. And everytime destiny digs deeper the brain lag gets worse until a memory leak resulting in a hard pivot.
God forbid someone is thinking before they speak
@@PuddingXXLproblem is he speaks first before thinking then when he gets any push back he pivots.
@@PuddingXXL he should have started thinking much more, much earlier before he started to speak.
If political opinions from tiktok were a person.
I see people think the caller is "stupid but arguing in good faith". Don't get me wrong, he is obviously stupid, but behind the long pauses, odd grunts, and stutters is someone who acts in bad faith. He legitimized the fear of the Palestinians when he mentioned "they were told they could come back before and they were never allowed back" even though he is basing this off of false information he put himself into their shoes, and saw their perspective.
When Destiny kept asking him about how Israelis would feel about being a minority, he became irritated, didn't want to even view this conflict through their lenses. Destiny kept repeating the question until he just finally says "their fear isn't justified".
Exactly. Becoming a minority in the country your people founded and made great is ridiculous no matter how brown the other side is.
the ironic part is that the Israeli / Jewish fear of being genocided with Hamas being this prominent is FAR more urgent than any claim for rights the Palestinians have.
Not only that, the Israelis have proven that they can give much more reasonable rights than any Muslim nation that exists or ever existed. the Israeli Arabs have more rights than they do in any Arab nation.
I don't believe the Arabs who left did so out of fear, because hundreds or thousands of Arabs stayed (those ones that became Israeli citizens after the war). They weren't really afraid the Jews were going to kill them or expel them from their homes. They left because they were on the side of the Arabs that refused to accept the existence of a Jewish state and wanted all the Jews ethnically cleansed from the land. Those Arab leaders told them to leave, and promised them they could come back once they'd defeated the Jews. The idea that they were entitled to "return" to Israel after they lost is preposterous.
“Their fear isn’t justified” well that’s a very concerning reply.
@@shaniceb.5129 All one needs to do to counter that argument is point to what happened to the Jewish populations in non-Jewish majority countries in Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa last century.
Was this a skit? That Prime guy is a comical genius.
I would accuse Prime of being bad faith in some of these arguments, but he's just sincerely this stupid.
These people really make me want to believe that their arguments are entirely built on their experiences playing COD modern warfare campaign and civilization 5 diplomacy… 💀
If these mofos actually understand civ games, they would understand that total warfare where you completely destroy the other nations is the easiest way to ensure peace on mass scale
Lmao as if they had the attention span for a Civ campaign.
These people would lose Civ on prince level
@@ducknwater3016it's like when a weaker civ tries to attack you, only to lose the war and the rest of the ai civs call you a warmonger.
@@joshecker6907 Lol true. I used to play the beyond earth and it was funny, because at some point when people call you a warmonger, the game says it has no effect😂
"Violence is not the answer, the only way is negotiation. "
Israel tried that with Hamas multiple times, and every ceasefire has been broken by Hamas. As part of the previous ceasefire in 2021, Hamas wanted a larger fishing zone and for Gazans to get job opportunities inside Israel.
On October 7th, Hamas sent boats with militants carrying rockets towards Israel. The larger fishing zone made it possible for Hamas to fire rockets further into Israeli territory. Some of the Hamas terrorists killed in the kibbutzim were found carrying Israeli working permits, and it was discovered that they had used their janitorial jobs in these areas to carry out reconnoisance as preparation for the attack.
A lot of pro-Palestinians living across the pond don't know what's actually going on in Israel, and don't know what it's like to live next to an existential threat that wants to destroy you. Israel is smaller than the state of Michigan, and the Gaza Strip is only an hour away from Jerusalem. It's easy for people with no stakes to tell Israel what they should do, but for those living there it's a fight for their very existence that Hamas cannot accept.
As for myself, I supported the two-state solution until October 7th. I've come to realize that it would only lay the foundation to another large scale attack against Israel. And in the aftermath, the world would blame Israel for letting it happen, just like Guterres did when he claimed that the October 7 massacre didn't happen in a vacuum.
Another pro-Palestine loses the debate, yes good job Destiny👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
This debate was so frustrating to hear as an Israeli, oh my fucking god. This Prime guy is actually both clueless, AND delusional at the same time.
Thank god you exist destiny, you give hope to us all
Destiny went so Zionist he became a safe heaven for Israelis lmao 😂
Why would we want Israelis to feel safe amirite? 😹
@@kirbycooper9496 no one care about what u want, Israelis will accomplish their own safety.
@@fifiadan he is just being real 😂 Israel Isn't a therapy session for u .
U got radicalized? There will be no soft treatment for u but there will be discipline
August is a month’s name
Destiny:"How do you negotiate with terrorist that are trying to destroy your country ?"
"These people are still people"
🤦♀️🤣
Thous ppl seem to fail to understand how reality works 😂 they think we all should be psychological experts to terrorist 🤣
Prime’s random non statements when he gets trapped like “not all conflicts are created equal” are so good 🤣
Masterful debating, Destiny. Thank you for your commonsense. I hope you come visit Israel- you will be so warmly welcomed 🇮🇱💙🤍
Its so obvious that people like prime just don't know a lot about the military and yet he talks about it with so much confidence. He just takes things as self evident that just aren't.
Also 22000 in 3 month really is not that much. It feels like the west hasn't seen significant war that wasn't done by the us in so long that they have completely forgotten what a war looks like if its not done by a power so overwhelming that they can afford to be extremely desciminate.
Apparently this guy doesn't know what the definition of terrorists is....🤣🤣🤣🤣
What I appreciate with Destiny’s debates recently about the isreal-Hamas conflict is how it helped me see TikTok has been pushing propaganda and people buying it like maga republicans fed off fox and newsmax.
I love this take from the lefties that Isreal should send solders into Gaza, knowing that they would also bitch about that.
This was so painful to watch live, particularly after the Aba memeing right before lol
If only we had the data on how it goes for Jewish minority populations in middle eastern countries.....
Yeah. It's not like jews in the middle east, especially in the 1900's, got massacred in progorms by muslims/arabs and then got completely ethnical cleaned by the end of 1967.
It goes ALOT better than in Europe. Considering Europeans committed what they themselves call the worst genocide in human history against Jews only within your grandparents lifetime.
Prime cayes is inarticulate asf. I'm not even stating this to be rude. as a streamer, and a big one, presentation is important. He has waaaaay to many errrrs and aaaaaahhs and ummmsssss. He seems smart enough with good ideas, all the same.
It's a wonder he ever had an audience
@@harstar12345I only watched his panels and he did okayish in his short spiels regardless of stupid or based opinions.
@@harstar12345 he didn't have an audience, he had a platform. He has always been subsidized by other people's audiences who come in sometimes to watch their streamer on a panel. Twitch politics died, these panels became a bunch of boring nobodies yapping away for hours on end, people left. Nobody was ever there for Prime.
Its the weed
You know why? He is speaking out of hiis ass
The worst part about Prime is not that he's ignorant or just wrong a lot of times on complex issues, its that he's pompous and acts like he's on a high-horse the whole time while wheeling out the most dog-water takes and arguments that basic logic and simple readings of history would wash away... Have some self-awareness and do better.
Why would you negotiate with your enemy when you think you can win?
I love how prime is like “there needs to be a political solution.” What is that solution Prime? “Israel ceases being a country.” Oh okay.
It's actually hilarious how people like Prime can literally be summarized with:
"I view everything in the world through 'Oppressor vs Oppressed' mechanics"
And that's why pretty much everything he says after further questioning boils down to:
"Israel bigger, Israel oppressor, therefore, Israel must stop and concede to smaller Palestinians"
It's interesting they see it this way considering how much Israel gets bullied at the UN by Muslim nations.
they receive more UN resolutions on them than Russia, North Korea and China and Iran combined even before the war.
The video said “areas previously deemed safe” were told to evacuate. Then they were bombed. Prime ignored the “previously”
Bro.. I absolutely LOVE people like Prime talking about war strategies & defense systems like he/they have ANY fuckin idea what they're talking about.. It's crazy..
A bunch of weebs who have ZERO background in any of this talking about it with 100% percent conviction behind their words.. "I watched a YT video, bro!"
PrimeCayes making a bold blanket statement, then when Destiny asks what he means just stuttering without knowing what to say is pretty wild.
Prime is so dumb. Destiny is asking what should the terms of peace be with Hamas. He then said you can't give hypotheticals but since no deals are being proposed you only have hypotheticals basically prime is saying don't negotiate in reality just pretend hamas doesn't exist
it’s funny, you can hear primes ‘america bad’ freudian slips when he accidentally talks about hamas attacking the united states or refers to israel as ‘us’.
Destiny here was like a black belt on the mat with a yellow belt. It was fun and interesting to watch, but I feel guilty having enjoyed it…
You can tell he has no idea what the heck he is talking about due to the fact that he keeps laughing and repeating the question. He is grandstanding, and he knows it.
This guy's processing time is excruciating
And he stutters so much. It’s honestly so annoying to listen to.
I had my college exams flashbacks during this convo
Uuuummm, ehhhh, maybe youuuuu, I guuuuuueeeeeeees
Destiny: Prime, you're wrong for this long list of detailed reasons.
Prime: you're just agreeing with me! Now let me change the topic or pretend I'm reading something so I don't have to answer any direct questions.
That was this entire discussion on loop.
Prime made my IQ plunge into the negative, dear god.
" let me try to reframe this"
I saw this live and I lost all faith in humanity when I listened to Prime
Prime is one of the dumbest orbiters to ever argue on stream. It's actually cathartic to see him get unironically destroyed in this debate by simple surface level questions.
lol primecayes got absolutely fucking bodied in this debate, with how little he thought about his position, its amazing.
Prime is such a nice guy it honestly breaks my heart how stupid he is.
he's not nice he's a prick
It’s truly fascinating how someone like Prime can have such confidence speaking on this topic despite getting stumped by difficult questions proposed to him by Destiny constantly throughout the debate.
However, luckily for him, he doesn’t ever have to admit he might be wrong, since he can always just pivot, and pivot, and then pivot some more!
His understanding is so basic that it shocks me that he even thought that his knowledge could compare to the months of meticulous research Destiny has been researching into this conflict.
why are they saying "2,000 lb bombs" like that's the name of the munition? there are lots of different 2,000 lb bombs. IDK why New York Times can't afford someone who knows about weapons systems or they do know they just know their audience doesn't.
The biggest problem with these media outlets talking about military news, is that most to none of the journalists talking ever done time in the military.
They don't actually know what they're talking about.
If they joined the army and served for a few years before leaving to get their journalism degree, we might be having smarter reporting, but they don't do that.
That's why more people should join the army, it's not all fire and brimstone, many people get paid a lot of money to sit in front of a computer going over documents for some naval base, never needing to shoot a gun outside of training.
But because civilians sometimes die in wars that means the army is a horrible job.
I was waiting for this one to be edited!!
I initially didn't care all that much for Destiny, he being a liberal and for his personal life. To my surprise, not all liberals are completely brainless, and this one in particular is really sharp.
I don't know how after all of these years, debate bros can crawl out of the sewer and utter the most surface level dogshit points and smugly and aggressively assert things in front of Destiny, all while destiny is CLEARLY trying to lead them to the exact place where the facts support D's argument. Every single time. He's not asking "why do you think X" because he wants to know why you believe it, he wants you to say aloud the incorrect reason or facts so he can suplex your point. Yet here Prime is, giddy every time he can answer one of D's questions with another hamas/anti-israel headline
1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE.
(Borrowed from a friend)
A little more history for those wanting to 'restore Palestine'.
In 132 AD the Emperor Hadrian resolved to stamp the Jews and their religion out of existence. He sold all Jewish prisoners into slavery after the revolt of Bar Kikhba, forbade the teaching of the Torah, renamed the province Syria Palaestina, and changed Jerusalem’s name to Aelia Capitolina. He renamed Israel to wipe out the national identity of Israel and the Jews.
So if you are looking to 'restore Palestine to the Palestinians', you need to give it back to the Jews.
Ahhhh Prime is back with his unearned sassy comments and ironclad brain armor through which no reasonable conversation can penetrate
Take a shot every time you hear "2,000 pound bombs"
DGG will hate on Prime because of this debate but let’s understand that 99.9% of people believe what Prime does. No one that isn’t invested in countering the approved narrative like Destiny exists within the normie sphere. Most people see this conflict as really strong people with all the power shitting on weaker people and that Hamas is a byproduct of that. All the geopolitical factors and potential power grabs is too high level for most people and seeing Twitter videos of grieving dads who lost their kids to a bomb is enough for most people to take an emotional stand. It’s why the disinformation around this conflict is as insidious as it is.
I’ve spent hours reading about this from sources on both sides
Your framing of everybody who doesn’t agree with you just not being Enlightened is a common trap people fall into to justify their beliefs
This is a powerful group oppressing a smaller group. It’s not really nuanced or complicated compared to other conflicts that make me hesitate to see one side with a greater moral claim.
I think your framing is really cheap and sets your self up above others as the enlightened fellow while everyone else is lead by emotion.
Remember when tiny saved prime's "career"?
(or whatever it is at this point)
He still doesn't know if tiny is racist...
Accepting literal terrorists' accounts of what transpired and even running defense for them is gross.
His inability to speak coherently is just sprinkles on top of his ineptitude to process information and follow it to its logical conclusion.
Primecayes having bad takes that he never actually defends?
What a novel concept! I wonder if this will be anything like the last four years of Primecayes content!
As an Israeli, this guy (Prime?) shows an absolute shocking lack of awareness and understanding of the situation here. He seems to have these deep seated beliefs, but they really don’t hold water in reality.
He’s a black hardcore liberal what do you expect
Dude is really tripping. He said “isreal tried the violence option and it doesn’t work” does he not realize how ironic that statement is?
The Israel haters make no sense. The host tried his best. Painful to listen to the delusion.
Prime showing off his towering 63 IQ. What can men do against such reckless smugness?
As soon as i saw the vid get taken down when i wanted to finish i knew itd be on the main channel
I don't know anything about Primecayes, lots of comments talking negatively about him but at the very least it's clear that he went out of his way to be civil. I've seen many far worse discussions of this.
Destiny saved him from sexual misconduct allegations so he will probably always be civil, at least I would hope. They were dumb allegations but that doesn’t matter nowadays.
'if the group still exists, the group still exists.'
wow. such wisdom. such strategery.
Ah the classic prime issue. Is he being dishonest or is it simply his stupidity?
Why not both?
i used to be pro palestine in my early 20's but now ive grown up. anyways long story short, i went to israel and while i was there, there were 3 terrorist attacks on ground. it's such a small country that you can drive 6 hours from north to south. but i did see a lot of muslims there, christians, and even africans from sudan living quite freely. it really opened my eyes. i know that as a woman, i wouldn't be caught dead, no pun intended, living in any other middle eastern country. people dont realize that israel is the only state that has some semblance of freedom and peace within it.