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Was 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' Really a Rip-off? Experts Weigh In
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If kurt Cobain said he ripped off The Pixies then he gave them the credit.
i think theyre just pissed that they didnt become as famous and rich as them...understandable
Its the real thing about not just Kurt but many of other band admit it too. Sorry to disappoint mainstream fans, Pixies are influenced other group because of their sounds.
@@as-zm8pt the Pixies are clearly influenced by Hasker du
Even in Kurt’s journals it says ripping of the pixies was part of the plan 😂😂
Nirvana got me into the Pixies. Kurt and Kim had a shared interview around Christmas, really good interview they were joking around, you could tell Kurt was nervous and being really goofy
That’s the beauty of music, everyone borrows from their influences and perfects it. No one is original!🎵🎸
Generally, I think that the way we might still be original, to some degree, is in how we can each assemble those influences in our own personal ways.
Yes, I agree!👍🏽
Devo is, nothing like them when they appeared.
Except Kurt Cobain literally credited them himself. Nice title tho. Catchy!
I'm amazed by how many idiots there are in the comments misunderstanding the video. Look at the title again. It asks "was teen spirit REALLY a rip-off". What that is saying is, "Even though kurt said it was a rip-off, was it REALLY?"
well... in his typical strange humor he obviously would call "being inspired by" as "ripping them off". Taking that seriously as in claiming that the song was really a "rip off"... a blatant copy of a Pixies song is just dumb from anyone with working ears.
@@aptfx how Nirvana did it is a credit to their talent, but the influence is obvious.
The song "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (1991) was primarily influenced by The Smashing Pumpkins' cover of "Godzilla (1990)"
*(1977) Blue Ouster Cult "Godzilla" (original bridge riffs)
*(1988) The Pixies “Caribou” (vocal melody in verse)
*(1989) The Pixies "Gouge Away" (rhythm section on verses, drums and bass)
*?(1982) Australian Crawl "Daughters Of The Northern Coast" (intro, drums and riffs)
@@ValeryenPivko I think it is unlikely that they actually sat down heard through this songs and did plan to mash that up. As with many things of this the better explanation of similarities is "by accident". The Blue Ouster Cult Godzilla riff for example is so overly simple that I really would ask myself... do you really think they said: "There is this song Godzilla by BOC and it has this cool riff.. lets use that"... even then it is slower, simpler and has a completely different mood. This is like playing quiet and loud because of sounding like the Pixies... who even themselves did explain that they did NOT invent dynamics.
I can't hear the similarity in Caribou or Gouge Away. "Daughters of the Northern Coast" is using muted strums... like many many many many other rock songs do.
I've heard through any of your examples now and really cannot agree with you here that any of this would likely be a direct inspiration to SLTS. Its to simple to common and therefore much more likely was chosen because - like Cobain said - they wanted the ultimative pop song so they did use a lot of common stuff in it. So you might find thousands of other songs who have similar vague similarities used here and there. ;)
Kurt is such a cheeky honest stirrer. I would love to listen to a conversation between Kurt and Francis Black from the Pixies. Now that would be compelling!
It's almost like people are influenced by things they love. It's almost like every single artist in every form of art does this.
Yes, I feel that Kurdt Cobain liked that contrast formula of the pixies and used it to create his own
Right and like the Pixies were the first huh, probably the first you heard.
Every band is inspired by other musicians. Kurt loved the pixies. He was good friends with Kim Deal. But the first time Kurt had a chance to meet black Francis he was too shy to talk to him and Francis took it as a snub and held a grudge against Kurt. He admitted publicly to ripping their sound.
But it was out of love not malice.
It's not Kurt's fault that nirvana also happened to write great songs and actually acted like a rock band and the pixies looked like a group of elementary school teachers that got together on the weekends to jam.
Loud, quiet, loud etc sounds like Black Sabbath to me.
Distortion on, distortion off, distortion on
Or Led Zeppelin. Or just dynamics in music generally going back forever.
If The Pixies influenced Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins & Radiohead, then why The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame keep over looking this amazing band? Just saying?
RnR hall of Fame sucks. It's a political organization.
Because the pixies never ever truely broke through to the mainstream.
You wont be in the hall unless youre truely a household name.
You have to be on the level of the most well known...
Not necessarily the best or most creative.
Fame is a popularity contest....
Lol
Because they had zero mainstream success…duh.
@@NateDiggy33So did The Velvet Underground but that first album, their legacy & what Lou Reed did after his career influence lots of bands & they're in The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. So The Pixies deserve to be in their too if they influence icons like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins & Radiohead. Hell even David Bowie took noticed. Now that's nothing to sneeze at if you get Bowie's attention & respect.
@@WALLYDRAG502So did The Velvet Underground but their first album(yes the one with the banana) & what Lou Reed did to his solo career influenced lots of bands and they in The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. So if The Pixies influenced superstar bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins & Radiohead and the group still touring and bringing the masses, then they deserve to be in The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.
Jim Morrison was good at that formula in his vocal delivery. He Got that from the Pixies... Not talking about the group though 😂
Pixies and Giants!!
You mean the kind of pixies that come out when a bottle of absinthe is opened? That sort? 😉
Elvis - ‘You’re the Devil in Disguise’
Quiet verse, loud chorus
Released 1968
No one has a monopoly on technique or style
Music sounds goes to the next level that it.
I think Kurt was merely saying it as a half joke, but also a way to acknowledge that The Pixies are an influence on his music.
2:59 Chris who!!?? 😂😂
I nearly died of laughter🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Regardless of what Kurt said or did, the Pixies were amazing and it paved the way for Kim Deal (literally one of the best musicians EVER!!) on her path to greatness!! Kurt was sarcastic and said a lot of things to rile things up so he could laugh about it.
0:05 10:27 what is song, pleeease 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
alot of other bands in the 80s paved the path of grunge….some of those were aussies like Lime Spiders and Huxton Creepers…look them up on TH-cam…
I kinda feel the loud quiet loud approach had been around since the early 70s but the pixies are still obviously one of the most influential bands bands of all time but I don’t feel like they originated that approach.
I think Kim should of been given more chance to sing and write songs.
They tried it, it didn’t go well
@@mikeherrera5302breeders cannon ball was alright
That is a pic of Kelley Deal, not Kim.
But Kurt was doing this sound since 88-89 anyway they were Peers. Kurt loved frank black
What is that melody playing in 0:13? 🤙🤙🎵🎶🎧
They got credit. Kurt and Krist advertised every band from the underground that was good and got them notoriety and massive record sales. Kurt more than once said they were a Pixies rip off.
Of course all these Bandz got credit Kurt made sure all his favorite bands that were still around would make good money touring with them the Pixies the Buzzcocks Sonic Youth mark lanegan
There were plenty of bands that would utilize a "loud, quiet, loud" formula going back to the 60's
See also: The Who.
Sabbath started the Loud, Quiet thing, but of course Kurdt sapped up Pixies. He admitted it.
I freaking love the breeders!!
Idk if you can claim to own that style of music it’s fairly common the Pixies may have done well but there were many songs before that had done that
Uria Heep are the inventors of this formula and the best at it. July Morning anybody?
two bands I love, I hope to see the pixies one day too.
Not only the Pixies but The Raincoats, The Vaselines, The Meat Puppets and Husker Du
Pixies 🧚♂️ I’ll check them out ..
Only band kurt ripped off was Boston 😊
I think Kurt of the bands he like he really tired to talk them up like melvins. Tad. Pixies. The vassalins. I have learn bands to know though Kurt. And Im happy for that❤❤❤❤
Kurt felt vindicated in his opinion about Kim taking more of a lead based on the success of Cannonball.....its true...its probably the most popular track of that era....cause EVERYONE loves it
Radiohead blatently ripped them off also....Jonny Greenwood stated the only reason they branched into electronic music was because they already ripped off all of the Pixies riffs...so they had nothing else to play guitar wise
Yep Bowie's Tin Machine was the first to rip off The Pixies. An underrated album for sure.
No, if the pixies are so amazing why do most people don't care about their music?
Because they didn’t sound as good:).
It's funny, you said "and albums like Siamese Dream and Melancholy and the Infinite Sadness" and then you play a track from Gish. At the end of the video I was still unsure what the Pixies wanted Kurt to do. It i had to choose to be in one of the two bands, it would be the Pixies for more reasons Thani can count. Mainly because they weren't hurled into fame at light speed.
Because the Pixies blow nirvana out of the water....sure I like bleach and insesticide but I've listened to Pixies 1000s of times. Over and over, even though they directly lifted the gun clubs sound, they were like miles better than most any other band back then. Also the Pixies were just a little early for grunge....I'm glad it went down how it did. Back then that was our music not the worlds, certainly not mainstream thank god.
He was intimidated by Black Francis because of the whole Kim should do more. Once she was out of Pixies and mad The Breeders Kirt took her on tour with him opening for Nirvana.
He really did? Kim opening for Nirvana, what a disrespect from Kurt
Nirvana always was a blend of the Beatles, Black Sabbath and Punk rock and we ate it like a bowl of ice cream
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He loved the breeders . They opened for nirvana.
Everybody ripped off the Pixies.even Jim Morrison.
We all know they did,Kurt was the first to admit it!
Anyone crediting either of these bands (Pixies/Nirvana) with Loud/Quite/Loud ought tune into to some plumbers called Led Zeppelin... and those wankers, The Beatles. They did that too. Pretty sure 1964 came before 1986, but maybe Jennifer Lawerence had something to do with this video....
It is not a "technique" ....
More so Dinosaur Jr
It’s just not punk rock to accuse bands of plagiarism. I mean if you’re punk rock - why would you care?
Frank Black seems to have a massive ego.
I love the Pixies to death... but let's be honest, if bands like Nirvana and Weezer didn't reference them as major influences, they likely wouldn't have had a very lucrative mainstream second wind. Joey said he felt the industry treated them correctly, but I'm pretty sure he would have been happier if the success was contemporary and their drummer didn't have to be homeless for a stretch of time, etc.
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" 100% did rip off a band called Killer Banna-"Kultural Amneezya (1986). Get it right.....Then is Boston- "More than a Feeling". They didn't rip off the Pixes note for note though.
Qué estúpidas preguntas, el vídeo sin ellas seria interesante.
Well kurt was a better singer etc 😝😂
The Pixies ripped off the sound of other bands MUCH more than Nirvana ever did. The Pixies didn't invent the quiet/loud thing, they COPIED it themselves. So accusing Kurt of ripping off their music is just stupid jealousy that Kurt was a much better songwriter, singer and much more successful and important to the history of music than these envious fucks will EVER be, despite being a great band themselves.
They didn’t even accuse em. This guy is blowing it way up
Exactly, but even more important this same thing transcends all forms of art. I want to see the art created by an artist's that hasn't consumed and or been influence or inspired by any art. Can it be done? I'm sure, but lets see what the results are.
@@sword-and-shieldI guess go to any preschool. The kids will either try to draw a Disney princess or draw their day to day life. I remember in Elementary school I would just make up the most random shapes I could randomly think of
@@sword-and-shield Impossible but the closest might be The Shaggs?
@@martineldritchThe important question then becomes "How do you know, they had no exposure or influence" bout impossible huh. See even creating your own style of art independent of anything before it lets say, does not mean nothing was influenced, or "stolen" as the whiners would put it, before creating it. The closet thing to REAL stolen art, in music anyway, is cover bands and cover tunes, these hacks are just pure rip off capitalizing on art they didn't create.
Nirvana was influenced by every other band that came before nirvana
Didn't the Pixies rip off the B 52's?
Nirvana was a designed band of unknown underground guitarist songs writer. Kurt's ghost songwriter was so good that a paparazzi recording crew illegally recorded the guitarist every day from 1975 to 1993. The ghost guitarist discovered the name Nirvana in a Billboard Magazine and read it to the paparazzi recording crew. The Pixies have nothing to do with Nirvana songs.
Foo Fighters use the same ghost guitarist songwriter. LIsten to the song Monkey Wrench, it is the ghost guitarist telling his situation with the recording conspiracy. Most hit songs have come from the recording conspiracy guitarist singer. Lady Gaga is a designed act of the ghost guitarist songwriter. Lewis Capaldi song Before You Go is the ghost guitarist song. He was singing his goodbyes to his paparazzi recording crew fact. Taylor Swift did not write Shake It Off the underground guitarist of Nirvana did. Six out ten songs played on the radio are illegally copyrighted from the ghost guitarist of Nirvana.
The entire Sheryl Crow album Com'on Com'on is by the ghost guitarist. She obtained the songs through the recording conspiracy, a fact she has admitted when she said her songs have a flawed credits background.
It's just "pixies" not "the pixies".
Hundreds of bands paved the way for nirvana, you just have never heard of them. Pixies are equally as derivative but that is OK for punk. It's part of it. It belongs to no one.
clueless piece of journalism, this. Also: it's Pixies, not THE Pixies.
Kurt Cabain stole so many riffs from so many bands.
damn...dave lovering aged like a mf'er
The pixies influenced a million bands. This is silly video. Ur hyping a lot outta statements that isn’t there
Led Zeppelin were kings of stealing...😅the Beatles did it, it's done in all art. No one is really original. I'm sure Beethoven ripped off someone else. Nirvana just did i better.
The riff is a slight re-arrangment of EVIL GROWS by the Poppy Family. Rip off numero uno.
Judas Priest did it first…
Everybody rips off everybody else in music, after all, there’s only 12 notes and only three or four usually required to make a song, do the math.
Kurt dodges a bullet when offered to speak to black frances, im not surprised...it would ruin his love for the band and black isn't a nice person. I heard stories that he wouldn't give fans a women an autograph.
LOL why Kurt didn't ask The Pixies to make the opening act in their 1992 tour if he was such a big fan? U2 gave them that chance to be more known opening Zoo TV tour. Nirvana was just an egotistic band and a bunch a lunatics.
unless you write and play music you will never fully understand influenced playing.
Complete nonsense... taking so much out of context.
Sorry but the Pixies were a better band.
Pixies got better songs than nirvana though
but they didn't have a dreamy lead singer, better image, better videos....not that any of that that mattered i'm sure because it's all about the music man.
Hey , you steal from the best, no?
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