Not Russian, soviet. The newer ATGMs and MANPADS designed at the tail end of the USSR are still very capable weapon systems. they aren't THAT rare, and can be found occasionally in the hands of militias, usually Syrians or Iranian backed groups. For clarification, I'm talking about systems like Konkurs, RPG-29s and Iglas.
de meersman peter the Russians are still using shit tunes of 50s 60s era apcs which the warrior was designed to kill and the warrior has already proven itself to just as good as any of these if not better and it carries more troops 10 if im not mistaken.
Paints a poor picture of the UK Armed Forces when people who have a say in the decisions that affect the lives of those serving are still living 20-30 years in the past
I guess if the Australians are going for the Boxer CRV in their Land400 Projekt, boxer it will be for the UK :D (more production = lower costs overall)
0:50 everybody talking about how he said soviet weapons but nobody is mentioning how he said "that insurgent groups have" ,so he is clearing talking about soviet era weapons that are newly introduced onto the battlefield by insurgents
what the hell is going on in the background at 1:36? the man in the blue jacket seams to be able to manipulate the lav's hull as it bounces from side to side as he walks past sections of it
The whole future of mechanized infantry forces for NATO, including the United States are 8x8 wheeled armored infantry vehices. A certain number of Main Battle tanks should be made available depending upon the mission. But high mobility, synchronization, modular designs and state of the art communications with computer sensors hooked up on a tactical internet is the way of the future. These 8x8 vehicles also need ways to coordinate with drone aircraft and robotic wheeled vehicles too. These use of these 8x8 wheeled armored infantry vehicles is multipurpose with modular applications so one vehicle can be refit with the needed weaponry or roles. Those roles are engineering, ambulance, antitank and/or motars and large field gun roles. Australia has moved to acquire the Boxer series of armored cars for their infantry forces. The United States, Canada and the United Kingdom should do the the same.
I have looked at ALL of these and the one made in Finland is the BEST and has already been proved in combat against RPG7 and other. But knowing the MOD it will not come down to what is best for the troops of the UK.
Mechanized infantry is distinguished from motorized infantry in that its vehicles provide a degree of protection from hostile fire, as opposed to "soft-skinned" wheeled vehicles (trucks or jeeps) for motorized infantry
Nice police truck. Constabulary missions aren't going away and the British army won't be doing nation-state wars on its own or any time soon and certainly not without US involvement. These systems are fine for real world use cases. They aren't for slugging matches with MBTs, though if fitted with top attack ATGMs there's no vehicle it couldn't kill.
This is a fast State of the art platform has a massive punch with it's different platforms Make haste to the front line of any nations countries who would precure this platform
I looked at ALL these the Patria from Finland is the BEST and has been proved in combat against the RPG7 and other. The ones the Australians looked at was with a gun from a CV90 which is GREAT also they can swin the UK needs this.
Why are on time and under budget the key factors here. Surely if you want the best MIV for your troops your going to have to make small sacrifices in both those areas.
The army was 155,000 when I joined in 1983 - its not had 175,000 for many many decades, it was cut by 50,000 at the end of the cold war. Now the armed forces is a bit bigger (RN, Army, RAF)
ImSuchaZwodder all these are armoured personnel carriers/infantry fighting vehicles. They carry infantry under protection of armour and these types have v shaped hulls to protect against ied threats. As well as this they can be used in a recy role where they are 20 miles or so in front of the main contingent. They are far more manouverable in certain aspects as they aren't limited by their weight in where they go. Most Tanks weigh 60t+ so most can't cross certain bridges or get bogged down. Tanks or tracked vehicles need lots of maintenance and tracks can cost thousands each. It's far more economical to have wheeled vehicles as they need less maintenance and are generally cheaper to run and keep in the battle. To answer other questions I doubt these will replace the vehicles that are currently in service as it has had recent upgrades and wheeled vehicles don't have the same cross country performance as tracked vehicles. I think the British army is being very smart and becoming more dynamic with inventory to reflect current affairs. As for soviet threats it's mainly old Chinese clones of Russian equipment and old soviet era equipment that organised cells of terrorists can get their hands on. Not much to do with Russia in my opinion. But it is all top of the line equipment so why not get the best. Just my opinion :)
Expected life expectancy of these in a Syrian type war situation is about three hours....if cheap OLD anti tank missile can fry a Leopard 2 then these are virtually useless...
A lot of Leclerc are getting shot by RPG and ATGM in Yemen and are back to the base, the most damaged Leclerc take 3 days for being fully repaired... You underestimate a lot the "tankiness" of modern MBT...
The Brits will send a fortune designing and talking for years about these machines and in the end buy German because its too difficult to bother making things now in Britain so we might as well give it to people that know what they are doing because if you remember ww2 British equipment was a joke , they are about to get a new Land Rover Defender soon after 70 years , well done Britain you should be congratulated on you speed at doing things , meanwhile Mercedes has now got 100% of the market world wide as usual .
seriously the height of those vehicles alone makes them a perfect target for anti-tank missiles. All that money wasted on Mastif to invent another vehicle that's is pant's, they are taking the Piss out of Tax payers money - it should go to Hospitals and reducing income inequality - that's the real enemy , not some cold war relic of the past.
"perfect target for anti-tank missiles." That's a profoundly stupid comment. I could just say that those unprotected AT crew members are a perfect target for literally everything on the battlefield.
Why do we have to buy this from the Germans? Until recently we had several armoured vehicle suppliers capable of producing such vehicles but the MoD have crashed them all by never placing any orders, now we have to get them from Germany. Pathetic.
admiralpicard2010 No shit Sherlock.. Stupid comment! Btw 1 hit from a Brimstone missile and the Armata would be dust. Infact a single Tornado could salvo fire 12 and take out a whole tank brigade of Armatas in seconds with near 100% accuracy, just to balance out your argument.
'One hit from an Armata & they would be scrap'. Well thats very unlikely as the Russian defence ministry have already stated that no more than 150 Armata's will be made and they will be ONLY for local use.
Could not help to notice that, according to the man at 50 seconds, new vehicles are needed due to new Soviet weapons. Yes, Soviet.
Einar Bolstad pushing the russia is a threat idea as usel
To be fair, he could be taking about the emergence of newer soviet era equipment on the battlefield in the hands of militias
Matthew Tarbard who the hell will we be fighting that has high end Russian equipment none of Russias allies have it
Not Russian, soviet. The newer ATGMs and MANPADS designed at the tail end of the USSR are still very capable weapon systems. they aren't THAT rare, and can be found occasionally in the hands of militias, usually Syrians or Iranian backed groups. For clarification, I'm talking about systems like Konkurs, RPG-29s and Iglas.
I thought the same thing. Maybe he means Chinese. They're Commies XD
...war is costly but freedom is priceless...
new sovjet weapons? in what century is that guy living?
de meersman peter the Russians are still using shit tunes of 50s 60s era apcs which the warrior was designed to kill and the warrior has already proven itself to just as good as any of these if not better and it carries more troops 10 if im not mistaken.
pffft you are missing the point completely, NEW SOVJET WEAPONS , simply don't exist because there is no Sovjet Union any more
well I thought he meant sowjet weapons, now (and thus new) used by insurgents ... not newly-developed soviet weapons :D
Russian... Soviet...makes no difference. Same pig, different troth.
Paints a poor picture of the UK Armed Forces when people who have a say in the decisions that affect the lives of those serving are still living 20-30 years in the past
Time travelling Soviets do sound dangerous.
Pretty sure he’s referring to the Chinese
@0:50 did he say soviet weapons? i think he's in the wrong decade
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If they want to stay below the budget with a vehicle that barely meets the requirements, then maybe they should ask the Soviets.
Best news for ages. Long over due.
I swear we were told in 2005 that we would be receiving piranha when we moved to Aldershot however that didn't materialise!
beautiful bits if kit, get em in!
We should join with Italy. When we work with them we build great machinery. They have the 8 wheeled Centauro which is amazing.
I guess if the Australians are going for the Boxer CRV in their Land400 Projekt, boxer it will be for the UK :D
(more production = lower costs overall)
That Piranha Mk.5 looks quality
boxer is great, been using it for 1 year now
0:50 everybody talking about how he said soviet weapons but nobody is mentioning how he said "that insurgent groups have" ,so he is clearing talking about soviet era weapons that are newly introduced onto the battlefield by insurgents
what the hell is going on in the background at 1:36? the man in the blue jacket seams to be able to manipulate the lav's hull as it bounces from side to side as he walks past sections of it
I noticed that too!
Thats a GTK Boxer and it i a artefact error from the compression of the video
00:18 Boxer FTW!
0:08 he looks more like a US army member not UK
The whole future of mechanized infantry forces for NATO, including the United States are 8x8 wheeled armored infantry vehices. A certain number of Main Battle tanks should be made available depending upon the mission. But high mobility, synchronization, modular designs and state of the art communications with computer sensors hooked up on a tactical internet is the way of the future. These 8x8 vehicles also need ways to coordinate with drone aircraft and robotic wheeled vehicles too. These use of these 8x8 wheeled armored infantry vehicles is multipurpose with modular applications so one vehicle can be refit with the needed weaponry or roles. Those roles are engineering, ambulance, antitank and/or motars and large field gun roles. Australia has moved to acquire the Boxer series of armored cars for their infantry forces. The United States, Canada and the United Kingdom should do the the same.
This comment has not aged well...
I have looked at ALL of these and the one made in Finland is the BEST and has already been proved in combat against RPG7 and other. But knowing the MOD it will not come down to what is best for the troops of the UK.
In Australia "Mechanized" means tracked while "motorized" means wheeled.
Is the terminology different in Britain? or did someone mislabel something?
Mechanized infantry is distinguished from motorized infantry in that its vehicles provide a degree of protection from hostile fire, as opposed to "soft-skinned" wheeled vehicles (trucks or jeeps) for motorized infantry
0:50 Is that the British guy from the discovery channel's Top Ten Military Vehicles?
Yup
Nice police truck. Constabulary missions aren't going away and the British army won't be doing nation-state wars on its own or any time soon and certainly not without US involvement. These systems are fine for real world use cases. They aren't for slugging matches with MBTs, though if fitted with top attack ATGMs there's no vehicle it couldn't kill.
This is a fast State of the art platform has a massive punch with it's different platforms
Make haste to the front line of any nations countries who would precure this platform
There is only one logical victor, the Patria Hägglunds AMV 8x8.
Except it lost against the Boxer in Australia and Slovenia. Slovenia is even ditching an already existing fleet of Patrias for the Boxer.
Too bad for the Australian and Slovenian troops. What a waste.
The Boxer has superior protection and modularity, not a waste at all.
I looked at ALL these the Patria from Finland is the BEST and has been proved in combat against the RPG7 and other. The ones the Australians looked at was with a gun from a CV90 which is GREAT also they can swin the UK needs this.
Why are on time and under budget the key factors here. Surely if you want the best MIV for your troops your going to have to make small sacrifices in both those areas.
So pretty
Will it be the new Mechanized or Motorized?
Why buy infantry carriers for Britain when the government is cutting the army from 175'000 men to 80'000 men ?
The army was 155,000 when I joined in 1983 - its not had 175,000 for many many decades, it was cut by 50,000 at the end of the cold war.
Now the armed forces is a bit bigger (RN, Army, RAF)
Which regiment were you in
I was in a Corps until 2007, Sapper
My dad is in 7 para rha and finishes his 22 next year he's a staff and played for the army rugby team and is now one of the coaches
Fun job, I saw a vid a few days ago about 7 RHA junior leadership course
down for the 8 count?
We need more and better ground armoured vehicles.
Soviets!! haven't we moved on?
Russia hasn't.
@@obfuscated3090 Putin hasn't
China
So, any news about this?
probaly gonna be the boxer. one of their closest partners, the netherlands, is giving good feedback on it.
I hope they get the piranha
Henry Haxby
I hope the powers to be can get some wisdom and buy the Eitan.
It will be another 10 years before the british army gets anything like boxer
Best vehicle in Afghanistan was the ambush Master
LAV 6.0....Commonwealth Baby
We need to hurry up with this it's taking far too long should of stayed in with the boxer
No we need to buy British we are leaving the EU we are free to decide where we buy, and we should buy from a friendly nation which Germany is not.
@@ronaldsims2784 why is Germany not a friendly nation to the UK, could you explain? Both NATO members...
"Mechanised Infantry Vehicle". What other kind of infantry vehicles are there?
Hugh Oxford horse drawn chariots
shame the boxer didnt get chosen
Eh? It's not even out yet, and the Boxer is most likely to win.
it did
Soviet Weapons ? Millenniums must be scratching their heads ...lol
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'The Army's proper hob'. I am guessing Afganaistan felt quit proper when people were fighting in it?
So we're replacing 722 15 year old vehicles... Why are we so wasteful?? XD
Also. I'd like to add. How about buying more tanks. Tanks beat Infantry and as far as I know we have low supplies of Both.
ImSuchaZwodder all these are armoured personnel carriers/infantry fighting vehicles.
They carry infantry under protection of armour and these types have v shaped hulls to protect against ied threats.
As well as this they can be used in a recy role where they are 20 miles or so in front of the main contingent.
They are far more manouverable in certain aspects as they aren't limited by their weight in where they go.
Most Tanks weigh 60t+ so most can't cross certain bridges or get bogged down.
Tanks or tracked vehicles need lots of maintenance and tracks can cost thousands each.
It's far more economical to have wheeled vehicles as they need less maintenance and are generally cheaper to run and keep in the battle.
To answer other questions I doubt these will replace the vehicles that are currently in service as it has had recent upgrades and wheeled vehicles don't have the same cross country performance as tracked vehicles.
I think the British army is being very smart and becoming more dynamic with inventory to reflect current affairs.
As for soviet threats it's mainly old Chinese clones of Russian equipment and old soviet era equipment that organised cells of terrorists can get their hands on.
Not much to do with Russia in my opinion.
But it is all top of the line equipment so why not get the best.
Just my opinion :)
well the problem is that your tanks arent lethal enough ... so more wouldnt make such a big difference...
The old vehicles are sold to other countries which is one of the British Army primary source of income.
Expected life expectancy of these in a Syrian type war situation is about three hours....if cheap OLD anti tank missile can fry a Leopard 2 then these are virtually useless...
A lot of Leclerc are getting shot by RPG and ATGM in Yemen and are back to the base, the most damaged Leclerc take 3 days for being fully repaired...
You underestimate a lot the "tankiness" of modern MBT...
FNSS vehicles are best...
The Brits will send a fortune designing and talking for years about these machines and in the end buy German because its too difficult to bother making things now in Britain so we might as well give it to people that know what they are doing because if you remember ww2 British equipment was a joke , they are about to get a new Land Rover Defender soon after 70 years , well done Britain you should be congratulated on you speed at doing things , meanwhile Mercedes has now got 100% of the market world wide as usual .
seriously the height of those vehicles alone makes them a perfect target for anti-tank missiles. All that money wasted on Mastif to invent another vehicle that's is pant's, they are taking the Piss out of Tax payers money - it should go to Hospitals and reducing income inequality - that's the real enemy , not some cold war relic of the past.
Many of those new APC's have options to mount active protection systems.
"perfect target for anti-tank missiles."
That's a profoundly stupid comment. I could just say that those unprotected AT crew members are a perfect target for literally everything on the battlefield.
Mighty new Russian version will be 10 wheels then it will be bestest.
A 50 cal will sort out all of these, hitting the tires, waste of time. Cheap replacement for a proper tracked machine.
DONT BUY FOREIGN MADE STUFF >>>>WE MUST BUILD OUR OWN
Soviet. This man is historical and idiological outdated. but politics. buy the boxer.
He could likely be referring to the soviet-era weapons that militias are getting their hands on, not newly _produced_ weapons.
Why do we have to buy this from the Germans? Until recently we had several armoured vehicle suppliers capable of producing such vehicles but the MoD have crashed them all by never placing any orders, now we have to get them from Germany. Pathetic.
This is the best in the world for this time.
Well we are good in building tanks ^^
One hit from an Armata & they would be scrap.
You shoot any APC with any MBT main gun and it would be scrap...
admiralpicard2010 No shit Sherlock.. Stupid comment!
Btw 1 hit from a Brimstone missile and the Armata would be dust. Infact a single Tornado could salvo fire 12 and take out a whole tank brigade of Armatas in seconds with near 100% accuracy, just to balance out your argument.
Not possible. It stopped/got broken to Red Square in parade.
'One hit from an Armata & they would be scrap'. Well thats very unlikely as the Russian defence ministry have already stated that no more than 150 Armata's will be made and they will be ONLY for local use.
One hit from and A10 and the Amata would be scrap ! LOL