Great explanation of the drills and what they are good for. Would love to see one of you complete the drills or bring in an amateur to walk through the drills. Would be a little longer video but I'm sure plenty of us junkies would watch. Looking forward to trying these. Thanks guys.
The view and forward movement at 4:50 awakened a whole new thought process for me. It makes so much sense and it’s a move that’s never fully registered with me. Thanks fellas! 🤜🏻
Wow. I just found this video and totally agree. Had never thought of that before. Went out in my backyard and launched a few balls into the field and it felt so smooth and natural.
Another essential video from the best in the business! You guys address what I think are the two most common misconceptions of the golf swing …. 1) The mistaken belief that there should be little to no lateral movement in the golf swing, both off the ball and in the downswing, particularly with the upper body moving together with the lower body. A major problem I experience working with golfers is early separation … their sternum separates from their pelvis very early in the downswing (often in transition), causing their lower body to race ahead of their upper body. From that early separation, the arms, hands, and club have to play catch-up, leading to an excessive amount of club face rotation and flipping through impact. This early separation causes their swing to become timing-dependent, and as David Duval has said, “Timing is the enemy of golfers.” However, as you guys constantly stress, as the upper body moves left laterally with the lower body, and stays stacked over the lower body, at least until left-arm parallel and even into the delivery phase, the timing nature of the strike is removed. Club face stability is enhanced, even with an aggressive release from the delivery phase into impact. This aggressive release of the club face, as you demonstrate, is the opposite of common misconception No. 2) the belief that you have to hold the lag angle and drag the handle through impact. I see this all the time as golfers rehearse this hold-and-drag action in their practice swings. Golfers do not understand that if they position their body correctly in the downswing, as you demonstrate, they can have that aggressive release of the club face through the ball, and it is not flipping nor is it timing-dependent. Gentlemen, once again, your content is golden. I send guys to your site all the time. I appreciate what you do, and I hope you both had a very merry Christmas and a happy holiday season…..
Thanks so much for the kind words, and for sharing us with your players! We couldn't agree more with what you said and how you explained the chain of events. And what's so damaging is that golfers try to apply both misconceptions as the same time. One is enough to derail the swing, but both gives you virtually no chance to swing well. Keep up the great work👊
I've long struggled to "square the club with the body" with no success. Really encouraging to see you guys emphasizing the importance of training the hands and arms to properly square the club.
Some of the old tips years ago were intended for many of us hacks who needed an exaggeration, or practice only move, in key areas of the swing. Like the holding back with the wrist angle and trying to maintain lag, just getting us to move into the right side going back at all, my favorite the feet together L to L half swing drill I got from Golf Tips magazine years ago. Higher handicap stuff for sure but it helped overswinging, reverse pivoting glancing blow early casters get a better feeling of what a golf swing feels like... to a point. Great drills here as always, and a much more thorough understanding of WHY. Of all your youtube videos the one that blows me away is still the left arm movement going back.... or how little of it actually. Thanks for that, guys!
We like saying there's nothing new in the golf swing. Great swings have existed long before the internet. There's a reason many of those "old" drills still work today🤓. Great comments!
saw your past video explaining this and has helped me a lot. Im a 0 handicap, but had nerve damage from a back injury 2 years ago and now have left ankle instability. I wear a brace to play, and if I oversway any in my backswing it leads to disaster as I try to recenter and rebalance. So I have to really focus on keeping my center over the ball as long as possible in the backswing and keep pressure on my left foot (55-45), so that it is more stable and I can keep turning and moving my center forward before I get to the ball. Then I REALLY focus on my finish and balance. Has helped regain my distance and contact. Thanks guys!
Thanks for sharing that! We love hearing how guys have had to adapt to different injuries or limits in their swings. There's always a work around when you start with a good concept first. Love hearing that you found yours and have gotten your mojo back! 👊🤓
Great video. I really like how you explain the release of the hands. I also found the recentering a bit easier to understand when shawn just lifted his left foot. Great and simple demonstration. Thanks guys.
Another great video and 3 great drills to try. I've dropped my handicap by 10 this year and I've had my ankle in a moon boot for 4 months due to a snapped Achilles tendon, so it just goes to show if you digest the lessons and practice practice practice it will make a difference. Looking forward to testing this out in Scotland 2022, have a great New year guys.
Guys,these views from up and behind a pro are so great. It’s much easier to (try to) mimic the move and this swing is definitely more simple than mine 😁. Greeting from France ✌🏻
Outstanding, concise video On 3 of the most important fundamentals of the golf swing. At the same time exposing swing myths. Just finished doing the impact drill, it's exactly what I needed. ⛳
Great video, as usual! I will say I own the divot board, and now my swing has gone to crap…I think there needs to be very precise instructions on how to use it…I used it all winter and what I found it did to me was make me focus so much on looking down at the divot, I neglected to do a complete follow through…When I got back outdoors and hitting on the range, I was straight pushing everything because I wasn’t completing my rotation through the ball…or, I just plain stink…could be the case. LOL!
Great Video. I love these . I follow a hand full of you guys on here maybe 5 and these are the greatest videos explaining the lag swing , compressing the ball. People post videos on swinging a club which I have followed for a year or so. But this right here I wish I had a year ago. Thank you
Thanks again. This helped a lot on how clubhead gets from 9 to 3. Looks like club just falls to impact instead of being held. An isolation video of the arms and hands into impact and how hit actually occurs would be cool. Maybe already done but would like to see that one. Always great stuff. Really appreciate you guys.
I love your videos guys, keep'em coming! Quick question: Do you have any videos for folks like me who are very stiff and lack the mobility to get that "full turn with high hands" in the back swing? this being the case, at what point does a person like myself end the back swing and begin transition? I find myself trying to emulate these extremely flexible pros, which I believe is throwing my sequence off. After watching your videos, because of this, I also noticed a checkpoint of my lead shoulder turning across my chest under my chin and the club gets behind me. Thanks!!
Just found you guys. Awesome awesome awesome. These 3 drills changed my swing of 40 years. I was constantly looking for what the pros do for this hidden distance. I'm very atheletic but knew I wasnt doing something right. It was this weight shift. Mind blowing. Wish I found this info years ago. That fall forward drill is probably the best golf swing drill ever. Im compressing the irons and getting that whip like feel. Wish you were located in Georgia
Great synthesis of a number of concepts. Dynamic balance of weight shift, body rotation, and wrist uncock. For someone who played baseball as their first sport, this helps me understand the difference and understand how power comes from the lever principle (and spot-on contact) not brute force.
very helpful video. I have been doing these drills / similar drills I have seen in your other videos a good amount and my lateral control looks a lot better now. My swing looks very solid when doing a practice swing and I can control my body correctly; however, when I add the ball into the mix I am forced to flip the club early because the face is too open. I have tested closing the face at the top of my backswing and then I can have a good amount of compression, but I don't want to just have a strong grip to fix this issue. A video about how to close the face would be very helpful. I have an idea of how to close it with bowing the left wrist but its hard to get myself to do that naturally and I haven't really seen any good drills for practicing that.
Respect. You are the best at detailed reasoning. Question: Is there validity to the 4:30 approach or the 45 degree angle that the hands approach the ball from, or do you like the shaft parallel to the ground-hands moving toward the target line? What does the data show? Thanks in advance!
Happy New Year to both of you, and thanks for all the great videos. This is a really useful one I have watched twice and will watch many times in order to apply it at the range and, when weather permits, on the course.
Very good drills! I have a problem swaying either direction and leaving weight on back foot, i also have a problem with not finishing my backswing and my hands are very close to my shoulder. I’m actually try to simplify my thought process and game. Any guidance would be appreciated! Thanks and keep up the great work.
Try checking your stance width at address. I had the same problem for years and my stance was way to wide which causes a great deal of swaying and being stuck on your right foot. Narrower is usually better than wide. Remember, your legs are connected to your hips not your shoulders so the hips should dictate your stance width since you could have really broad shoulders in comparison to your hips or vice versa.
The third part of this video is what separates the pro's from the am's, in my opinion. You cannot overstate the need to have the wrists release while coming into impact as the shoulder comes up. Players need more help in understanding this. You should show us the clubhead speed at the start of the delivery zone and then at impact. The uncocking of the wrists is adding mph at impact. Your thoughts please?
Hey Guys, thanks. Your stuff is great and it works and I am just beginning. Question, with the short irons, when we open the clubface, my shots go right, with an open clubface what adjustment is necessary to get the ball headed to the target
Great video. So many Instagram Golf Instructors showing all body rotation into impact. Can you tell me what was the left arm to shaft angle at setup vs impact for the golfer in the video? This video pairs well with the video on when Pros vs Ams fully release.
Should you get fitted if your swing mechanics are still developing ? I have a sophomore son who is a competitive golfer and he would like to get fitted going into spring / summer golf.
This was absolutely eye opening… suggestion please… can you either add as part of or in an immediate video attached the difference if any in the swing with a driver or fairway wood off a tee?? I find at least with myself that I can go work on this and groove the iron compression but then oh no… my driver “feels” gets a little weird and then I find I do the reverse once I get the Driver back on target.. anything to help differentiate the two at the simplest of thoughts? Thank you for your videos!!!
Haven't seen the comments, and can only speak about how we use it. We're still on our first board, and it's still going strong. Keep in mind we use it in a commercial setting. I don't know how others are using it, but I do see how golfers typically "practice." Taking full speed whacks continuously on anything isn't going to be good for your swing or training aid lol
Yet another amg video saved to favourites. Is this 90% of the golf swing in under 20 mins? The 42deg open stat is mind blowing, strangely rarely mentioned and surely changes the concept for most ams. You may have done one, but would be interesting to see how the clubface opens/closes to path pro v ams throughout the swing.
Hi,working on bowing the left hand ,it’s just amazing how good it fills when done right,it’s hard like all good thing’s.any drills to help that (or maybe pot the hand in water it makes it softer ☺️)thank you
Doing it right is always the best drill. That means going slow enough to make sure you are doing it how you want. No different than learning to tie your shoes, I bet you didn't have a drill for that 😉
We use GEARS in our lessons almost everyday. Our students love their experience and always come back talking about all the AMG videos they started watching right after.
Love it! It's a small community of systems relative to the golfers wanting to get captured. We'll be sure to recommend you guys for players new y'all wanting to get their numbers 👊
@@AthleticMotionGolf do you know/recommend anyone near Stockton California? I’d like to come see you guys, but that would be a real challenge for a teacher with kids.
In your third drill, I think of stepping on a gas pedal with my front foot. That's the go. By stepping on the gas pedal, my front side is extending, my front hip is moving up and around, and my hands are moving up. As my hands move up, the handle of the club comes with them, which has the necessary consequence of the head of the club going down - the lag is releasing. The harder I step on the ground, the faster the club head goes. Sound correct?
Actually I do have a question. So I understand the concept and am now practicing thiese drill. What I am finding is the twisting of the wrist at the follow threw . I have been strugwith the chicken wing and found to be I am flipping the wrist at impact so I now understand that. But now at follow threw finding it more difficult turning the wrist without looking awkward if that makes sense. Thank you a great video.
@@AthleticMotionGolf J Alsept is referring to AJ Bonar's concept that you echoed where the face is squaring approaching impact. You clearly dispel the myth of the square face.
@13:00 . A thought which works for me at this point: throw the thumbs down. Freeze any image of a pro's contact point; the wrists have "unhinged". The thought of throwing the thumbs replicates this action. cheers
Fantastic! Ryan Palmer's swing looks great in GEARS. This video is very similar to a video I posted on my channel last year - about falling into the front foot and how it's counterintuitive and completely misunderstood my most golfers. They even used the same terms to describe the motion.
Do you have any content for seniors because at 73 I can't get the separation (as much as you show) I have lost around 30 yards on my clubs (the woods I can handle but irons are causing me problems as distances are so inconsistent ....7 iron could be 90 yds or 125 and tend to hit 3-4 inches behind.)
I don't believe we mentioned separation. Separation varies greatly among tour guys as it does the rest of us normal golfers. The elements we do talk about still apply and things we teach to all of our senior golfers - several of who wish they were as young as you😀. Getting your centers moving correctly is a great cure for those inconsistencies AND those heavy impacts!
I added one more move to the left only, roll wrist counter clockwise, and feel arm snap, do this several times , before you hit a ball, it creates a nice draw like action at impact. Your right you have to train arms and hands to release in the down swing, impact position. Before this drill my dead hands would produce an open club face, automatic slice/ fade…
Without worrying about degrees and such , if i wanna take this to a range and practice it do I just just use my hips rotating more horizontal and the shoulders more vertical
Gravity Golf explains the fall. But...what are your thoughts about the very upright arm swing in back swing with a fall over of the arm/club in the transition advocated by David Lee? His arm club transition seems to be an exaggeration of the left arm drill you are showing here.
I notice there are lots of divot boards for under $100 and this board is close to $200. Is this board far superior? Just want to get the right one. Thanks AMG!
I have a coach. I watch a lot of lessons. This one video is by far the best !! At least for my game. This one put all the pieces together!! Add in the importance of the left leg and I’ll quit my coach!!
Quick question guys. On my practice swings, at the beginning of the delivery phase I see my hands overlapping with my Trail thigh and then at impact they overlap with my lead leg ( nice compression). But the moment I put a ball I see my hands falling behind, 3 to 4 inches behind my trail thigh at the beginning of delivery and scoopy/ centered with my crotch at impact. Do you have a video that covers this?
The hardest thing ive found as a golfer who took it up as an adult, having been reasonably good at sports, is how to keep the arms live without them dominating the backswing/sequencing,so that they fire through the ball at the right time.Ive found ATs SB glide is my magic move But she doesnt agree the arms fire at all! Still with that and your great videos im down to 3 hcp and playing to it, at 60yo. By the way Ive overdone the first two drills so going to try your gentler versions!
@@AthleticMotionGolf Alison Thetije shoulder blade glide,Chuck allegedly stole the idea! I find it works for me with your great videos prob cos as i just realised im hyper mobile!
Another video idea, a lot of guys talk about getting width in the backswing but how about keeping width in the downswing. I’m pretty narrow in the downswing, lots of radial on my lead wrist and It causes me to come to in to out and manipulate the club face. Would be cool to see how the pros do It.
We can definitely do that one, great idea! In the mean time, we rarely see a narrow downswing when there's good width at the top. Make sure your not overdoing the radial going up, or over bending the right arm into the top. Both are width killers 😉
8:26 - the term; “lightening” the foot to re-center. Is exactly what is taught in skiing to achieve the same purpose. “Pushing” is not correct as you loose balance and not maximize pressure shift 👏👍
I think where the confusion comes in with "taking the hands out of it" is that there is definitely radial and ulnar deviation, flexion and extension going on with both wrists, the force of the swing would make it impossible for there not to be. The question is how much should there be throughout the swing, and if you take the hands out of it by lessening or eliminating pronation and supination, or "twisting the handle", through body rotation? I believe the best ball strikers take out the twist as much as possible.
Very common question. The answer is a hard "NO" lol. The body doesn't not, not even among the most rotated players on tour, rotate enough to square the club. We see golfers every coming who try to do just that, it's never good, and why they spend the time and money to come in to finally get measured. There is ZERO evidence that suggests the best ball strikers twist the club as little as possible. In fact, there is a lot of evidence that shows the opposite. It's an idea that makes sense on paper, but doesn't happen in the real world. First to even know what great ball strikers do, you've got to have a system that is capable of accurately measuring both the body (many system can do this) AND also the club (which only a couple systems can do). GEARS is one of those systems, but outside of a university setting, there's not really anything else available that can do both. We have captured two of the statistically most accurate ball strikers on tour in the past 25 years. One had medium twist, the other had very high twist. That's what happens when you measure these guys (we have over $1 billion won on tour in the database). They cover the gamut, and there is zero correlation that low twist produces a better result (fairways hit, greens hit, proximity, etc.). Zero. Because on either ends of that spectrum, the club is still rapidly closing over the last foot before impact. Another factor that has to be considered is the club itself. The club does not twist uniformly. Meaning, what the golfer is doing at the grip end is NOT what's happening at the head end during the downswing. And that ratio changes as the speed increases coming down. So different shaft profiles require different rates of twisting to achieve the same effect with the head.
@@frankenstein01 it depends on a couple of factors. Our next video goes into a good bit of detail that I think will explain it better than trying to type it all out 🤓
Ok.. very good... now, take a look at what you guys do with your feet while explaining the stuff in the 2nd drill portion of the video... say at about 10:10 thru 10:50... You have both moved your back foot to a position in which the big toe of the right foot.. (the back foot of a right hand swing) is more or less now in line with the heel of the front foot... So here is my description of what i might call the "ballerina stance' drill... (to increase compression and prevent reverse pivoting): Start with a 7 or 8 iron and load yourself to make a 50 yard chip shot... (firm hit... not much forced effort) Line up to the ball with the ball just slightly behind the big toe of your front foot.. Now, place your back foot about 6 inches in width of stance from your front foot, BUT, move your back foot, (the right foot) so that the toes of the back foot are now even to the heel of the front foot..(something like a ballerina who is about to turn a bit backwards and then spin to the left)... the feet should almost feel like you are in a very narrow stance with a forty five degree angle of the front foot to the back... And be sure to feel like almost all of your weight is on and over the center of the front foot....weight over the front foot... Now, simply turn your shoulders on the backswing so that you feel the front shoulder go under your chin... (because of the stance you will pretty much have to stay in balance and not sway too much to the back) and then simply hit the hard chip by releasing the club as you accelerate through the shot...(total backswing at first should not be but about a good half swing) Analysis: without much complexity, the usual golfer will get instant feedback on how to strike the ball correctly... (why this works, I am not sure... it just does) I think the narrow, closed stance forces balance and creates a pivot motion which just puts the club into the right position at impact... And, most golfers will almost certainly hit this shot farther than they were trying to... and, will probably produce a shot with a bit of draw spin as well... Next, you can begin to slowly hit a bit harder to get a longer shot... and please, try this... anybody can do this... it will not hurt at all to try... and older golfers will love this because it doesn't hurt them physically...
From baseball career hitting over 3rd basemen’s head how do I to fix chicken wing. I now rotate lower body faster to lang left elbow and arm behind contrary to your faster upper body over stable lower lesson to create speed
yea ima pusher, the falling is tough because of MASSIVE DIVOTS and that angling the spine back through the shot to level it out....i never liked that. ill mess around with it on the range with "the fall".......how much fall?
This is what most 5 to 15 handicap golfers can't do its so hard, thanks for the drills I will work through the winter on this wish you guys were in the northeast so I could take in person lessons, Thanks for the tips
I’ve noticed that on the computer models the trail arm looks to be approaching some internal rotation. Maybe just the program but I haven’t seen this with slo mo videos of pros. Am I seeing things wrong? It seems that there is room between the hip and elbow before impact.
The average, not even the average PGA Tour player, can move their body like the average LPGA pros. Women in general are hyper mobile and tend to turn well past the range of your average male. Not always a benefit BTW. The LPGA pros are not good comparisons for the average male golfer 🙂
I used to have a massive slow motion sway but saved it with a massive slow motion re-centering! But there was so much wasted time and effort i was short but straight.
I love the first drill exactly what my pro is trying to get me to do. GET OFF MY RIGHT SIDE!! What I would love to see a video on is how to not stall the hips at impact.
Great question. No way for us to say what you might feel, but we can say what happens… the arms are accelerating faster than any other body segment, and their direction is down.👍
@@AthleticMotionGolf I'm probably a bit too right hand dominant in that my right hand tends to pull down but also push the grip outwards a bit and cast it a little. Can be a little frustrating and make it harder to compress all of my iron shots. Off topic but do you guys do short game video lessons or practice plans at all by the way? Could be interested in either or both.
@@iainwyper9661 you're not alone, it's almost always the right hand (trail hand) that gums up the transition for guys. Would definitely do as many of the open handers as you can stand to do. Then do some more 🙂 Yes we do short game lessons online. We're about to have more availably up on the website soon for booking. We also just launched our Short Game System inside AMG+. I'd highly recommend that for the short game, plus you get to share your swings with us as often as you like. Here's a link if you're interested athleticmotiongolf.com/amg-plus/
@@AthleticMotionGolf Aha, I was going to ask just that! Dr Kwon has done a lot of stuff recently on YT with Brendan from BBG. So you agree with his notion of keeping the shoulders/hips closed as much as possible as you 'fall' left, then unwind from there...? And his focus on more (body) speed into backswing motion, less efforting on downswing? (that's what I hear him say!)
@@Ken-jf1cm although I wouldn't call it a notion as much as it's just relaying what he sees (which corresponds with what we see) great players doing. It's also more of a matter of adding speed early in the backswing, something that is very easy to see in the pro data compared to am data, that sets up the transition. Which sets up a proper sequence from the top, as opposed to firing the shoulders early to start the downswing. We see so many golfers coming in trying to do cartoonishly exaggerated rotational movements that are so far removed from what happens in great swings. It's great that Brendon is exposing his audience to what a normal athletically dynamic sequence looks like, and how to do it. We recorded this video back on August 9th of 2020, so it's been on the release schedule for a while. It's cool to see how this release has meshed with what Brendon's been doing with Dr Kwon. It's also great hearing about the traction those videos have gotten. Exposing more golfers to this info will keep more golfers from going down some dark rabbit holes. Because climbing out of those holes takes way more effort and then going down them.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks very much for the reply. I really like what Dr Kwon is saying...but I wouldn't want to do anything that didn't also get the AMG OK! Like everyone else says, you guys are the world leaders. Thanks for all the stuff you do.
Interesting. I believe the question here is what is your problem. If you show a weakness in turn or rotation, which many ams do, then the arms take over. The body if not used correctly then is a great source of power that is totally wasted. Getting the sequence right is the key of course and for me anyway, the release when done correctly is the proper wrapping of the present.
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Great explanation of the drills and what they are good for. Would love to see one of you complete the drills or bring in an amateur to walk through the drills. Would be a little longer video but I'm sure plenty of us junkies would watch. Looking forward to trying these. Thanks guys.
ok thats a good idea!
The view and forward movement at 4:50 awakened a whole new thought process for me. It makes so much sense and it’s a move that’s never fully registered with me. Thanks fellas! 🤜🏻
Wow. I just found this video and totally agree. Had never thought of that before. Went out in my backyard and launched a few balls into the field and it felt so smooth and natural.
Another essential video from the best in the business! You guys address what I think are the two most common misconceptions of the golf swing …. 1) The mistaken belief that there should be little to no lateral movement in the golf swing, both off the ball and in the downswing, particularly with the upper body moving together with the lower body. A major problem I experience working with golfers is early separation … their sternum separates from their pelvis very early in the downswing (often in transition), causing their lower body to race ahead of their upper body. From that early separation, the arms, hands, and club have to play catch-up, leading to an excessive amount of club face rotation and flipping through impact. This early separation causes their swing to become timing-dependent, and as David Duval has said, “Timing is the enemy of golfers.” However, as you guys constantly stress, as the upper body moves left laterally with the lower body, and stays stacked over the lower body, at least until left-arm parallel and even into the delivery phase, the timing nature of the strike is removed. Club face stability is enhanced, even with an aggressive release from the delivery phase into impact. This aggressive release of the club face, as you demonstrate, is the opposite of common misconception No. 2) the belief that you have to hold the lag angle and drag the handle through impact. I see this all the time as golfers rehearse this hold-and-drag action in their practice swings. Golfers do not understand that if they position their body correctly in the downswing, as you demonstrate, they can have that aggressive release of the club face through the ball, and it is not flipping nor is it timing-dependent. Gentlemen, once again, your content is golden. I send guys to your site all the time. I appreciate what you do, and I hope you both had a very merry Christmas and a happy holiday season…..
Thanks so much for the kind words, and for sharing us with your players! We couldn't agree more with what you said and how you explained the chain of events. And what's so damaging is that golfers try to apply both misconceptions as the same time. One is enough to derail the swing, but both gives you virtually no chance to swing well. Keep up the great work👊
A++ post!!!
I've long struggled to "square the club with the body" with no success. Really encouraging to see you guys emphasizing the importance of training the hands and arms to properly square the club.
Some of the old tips years ago were intended for many of us hacks who needed an exaggeration, or practice only move, in key areas of the swing. Like the holding back with the wrist angle and trying to maintain lag, just getting us to move into the right side going back at all, my favorite the feet together L to L half swing drill I got from Golf Tips magazine years ago. Higher handicap stuff for sure but it helped overswinging, reverse pivoting glancing blow early casters get a better feeling of what a golf swing feels like... to a point. Great drills here as always, and a much more thorough understanding of WHY. Of all your youtube videos the one that blows me away is still the left arm movement going back.... or how little of it actually. Thanks for that, guys!
We like saying there's nothing new in the golf swing. Great swings have existed long before the internet. There's a reason many of those "old" drills still work today🤓. Great comments!
saw your past video explaining this and has helped me a lot. Im a 0 handicap, but had nerve damage from a back injury 2 years ago and now have left ankle instability. I wear a brace to play, and if I oversway any in my backswing it leads to disaster as I try to recenter and rebalance. So I have to really focus on keeping my center over the ball as long as possible in the backswing and keep pressure on my left foot (55-45), so that it is more stable and I can keep turning and moving my center forward before I get to the ball. Then I REALLY focus on my finish and balance. Has helped regain my distance and contact. Thanks guys!
Thanks for sharing that! We love hearing how guys have had to adapt to different injuries or limits in their swings. There's always a work around when you start with a good concept first. Love hearing that you found yours and have gotten your mojo back! 👊🤓
Great video. I really like how you explain the release of the hands. I also found the recentering a bit easier to understand when shawn just lifted his left foot. Great and simple demonstration. Thanks guys.
Another great video and 3 great drills to try.
I've dropped my handicap by 10 this year and I've had my ankle in a moon boot for 4 months due to a snapped Achilles tendon, so it just goes to show if you digest the lessons and practice practice practice it will make a difference. Looking forward to testing this out in Scotland 2022, have a great New year guys.
Great!! Thank you!
Love this channel! I got into a bad habit of trying to 'hold lag' and 'burn and turn'. Focusing on releasing wrist angles has helped a lot
Awesome! We glad the videos are helping, thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Guys,these views from up and behind a pro are so great. It’s much easier to (try to) mimic the move and this swing is definitely more simple than mine 😁. Greeting from France ✌🏻
Thanks for watching! Great to hear they’re helping 👊
Outstanding, concise video On 3 of the most important fundamentals of the golf swing. At the same time exposing swing myths. Just finished doing the impact drill, it's exactly what I needed. ⛳
Awesome! Glad to hear it helped. Thanks for taking the time to watch!
By far the most helpful TH-cam channel on improving my swing. I am very grateful for all you do. Looking forward to even more of these in 2022!
We thankful to have you here and love hearing the videos are helping!
Great video, as usual! I will say I own the divot board, and now my swing has gone to crap…I think there needs to be very precise instructions on how to use it…I used it all winter and what I found it did to me was make me focus so much on looking down at the divot, I neglected to do a complete follow through…When I got back outdoors and hitting on the range, I was straight pushing everything because I wasn’t completing my rotation through the ball…or, I just plain stink…could be the case. LOL!
Great Video. I love these . I follow a hand full of you guys on here maybe 5 and these are the greatest videos explaining the lag swing , compressing the ball. People post videos on swinging a club which I have followed for a year or so. But this right here I wish I had a year ago. Thank you
I check lots of video about golf, and i believe this is the best channel to learn. Thank you!
Best golf coaching duo there is. Y’all compliment each other very well. Thanks for the videos!
Thanks for the kind words 🙏🏻👊
Thanks again. This helped a lot on how clubhead gets from 9 to 3. Looks like club just falls to impact instead of being held. An isolation video of the arms and hands into impact and how hit actually occurs would be cool. Maybe already done but would like to see that one. Always great stuff. Really appreciate you guys.
I love your videos guys, keep'em coming! Quick question: Do you have any videos for folks like me who are very stiff and lack the mobility to get that "full turn with high hands" in the back swing? this being the case, at what point does a person like myself end the back swing and begin transition? I find myself trying to emulate these extremely flexible pros, which I believe is throwing my sequence off. After watching your videos, because of this, I also noticed a checkpoint of my lead shoulder turning across my chest under my chin and the club gets behind me. Thanks!!
Just found you guys. Awesome awesome awesome. These 3 drills changed my swing of 40 years. I was constantly looking for what the pros do for this hidden distance. I'm very atheletic but knew I wasnt doing something right. It was this weight shift. Mind blowing. Wish I found this info years ago. That fall forward drill is probably the best golf swing drill ever. Im compressing the irons and getting that whip like feel. Wish you were located in Georgia
love it!! We are actually located in Georgia haha
Love the drills and the slow motion of the swing and what is happening at each stage and what you should expect
These guys are the best golf instructors out there, hands down!
As usual giving up the good stuff for free. Thanks guys. Maybe I'll see yall out on tour...😉
We like it more when the tour comes through here 😊
Great video , instructions and illustrations, I hope I got this , I will work on the 3 drills and hopefully hit compression shots
Love it
Great synthesis of a number of concepts. Dynamic balance of weight shift, body rotation, and wrist uncock. For someone who played baseball as their first sport, this helps me understand the difference and understand how power comes from the lever principle (and spot-on contact) not brute force.
absolutely
Fantastic!
That was a real eye opener! I was trying to get the club to impact with just body rotation. No wonder why I was frustrated….Thank You!
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very helpful video. I have been doing these drills / similar drills I have seen in your other videos a good amount and my lateral control looks a lot better now. My swing looks very solid when doing a practice swing and I can control my body correctly; however, when I add the ball into the mix I am forced to flip the club early because the face is too open. I have tested closing the face at the top of my backswing and then I can have a good amount of compression, but I don't want to just have a strong grip to fix this issue. A video about how to close the face would be very helpful. I have an idea of how to close it with bowing the left wrist but its hard to get myself to do that naturally and I haven't really seen any good drills for practicing that.
were shooting a video like that as we speak :)
@@AthleticMotionGolf any update on when this video will be coming out? Looking forward to it!
Respect. You are the best at detailed reasoning. Question: Is there validity to the 4:30 approach or the 45 degree angle that the hands approach the ball from, or do you like the shaft parallel to the ground-hands moving toward the target line? What does the data show? Thanks in advance!
Happy New Year to both of you, and thanks for all the great videos. This is a really useful one I have watched twice and will watch many times in order to apply it at the range and, when weather permits, on the course.
great!!
Very good drills! I have a problem swaying either direction and leaving weight on back foot, i also have a problem with not finishing my backswing and my hands are very close to my shoulder. I’m actually try to simplify my thought process and game. Any guidance would be appreciated! Thanks and keep up the great work.
Try checking your stance width at address. I had the same problem for years and my stance was way to wide which causes a great deal of swaying and being stuck on your right foot. Narrower is usually better than wide. Remember, your legs are connected to your hips not your shoulders so the hips should dictate your stance width since you could have really broad shoulders in comparison to your hips or vice versa.
The third part of this video is what separates the pro's from the am's, in my opinion. You cannot overstate the need to have the wrists release while coming into impact as the shoulder comes up. Players need more help in understanding this. You should show us the clubhead speed at the start of the delivery zone and then at impact. The uncocking of the wrists is adding mph at impact. Your thoughts please?
we will shoot a video :)
Hey Guys, thanks. Your stuff is great and it works and I am just beginning. Question, with the short irons, when we open the clubface, my shots go right, with an open clubface what adjustment is necessary to get the ball headed to the target
i would first check your grip...make sure its not too weak
Great video. So many Instagram Golf Instructors showing all body rotation into impact. Can you tell me what was the left arm to shaft angle at setup vs impact for the golfer in the video? This video pairs well with the video on when Pros vs Ams fully release.
Should you get fitted if your swing mechanics are still developing ? I have a sophomore son who is a competitive golfer and he would like to get fitted going into spring / summer golf.
A good fitter should be able to help him with an eye on his physical growth potential.
Thanks! Having your loop example with the step forward would have been a big help if it could be in slow motion
This was absolutely eye opening… suggestion please… can you either add as part of or in an immediate video attached the difference if any in the swing with a driver or fairway wood off a tee?? I find at least with myself that I can go work on this and groove the iron compression but then oh no… my driver “feels” gets a little weird and then I find I do the reverse once I get the Driver back on target.. anything to help differentiate the two at the simplest of thoughts? Thank you for your videos!!!
I have just learned so much from this video! Thanks guys!
great!!!
Great video again, thanks lads. Can you talk about the torque put on the shaft and the amount of club face roll.
were doing a video about that as we speak!
Hi guys, what do you say to the comments on amazon about the divot board, questioning its durability for multiple full swings?
Haven't seen the comments, and can only speak about how we use it. We're still on our first board, and it's still going strong. Keep in mind we use it in a commercial setting. I don't know how others are using it, but I do see how golfers typically "practice." Taking full speed whacks continuously on anything isn't going to be good for your swing or training aid lol
Yet another amg video saved to favourites. Is this 90% of the golf swing in under 20 mins? The 42deg open stat is mind blowing, strangely rarely mentioned and surely changes the concept for most ams. You may have done one, but would be interesting to see how the clubface opens/closes to path pro v ams throughout the swing.
That’s our next video 👊🤓
@@AthleticMotionGolf 👌
these guys are the best on youtube no contest great job
Would you mind sharing this with a few hundred thousand of your closest friends? 😂🙏🏻
maybe but lets start with 1!
Mike and Sean great stuff really think you guys are the best teachers--- !!!!!!!
thank you!!!
Thanks for another great video. You guys are the best.😊
You too kind 👊 Thanks for watching!
Hi,working on bowing the left hand ,it’s just amazing how good it fills when done right,it’s hard like all good thing’s.any drills to help that (or maybe pot the hand in water it makes it softer ☺️)thank you
Doing it right is always the best drill. That means going slow enough to make sure you are doing it how you want. No different than learning to tie your shoes, I bet you didn't have a drill for that 😉
We use GEARS in our lessons almost everyday. Our students love their experience and always come back talking about all the AMG videos they started watching right after.
Love it! It's a small community of systems relative to the golfers wanting to get captured. We'll be sure to recommend you guys for players new y'all wanting to get their numbers 👊
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks Mike and Shaun!
@@AthleticMotionGolf do you know/recommend anyone near Stockton California? I’d like to come see you guys, but that would be a real challenge for a teacher with kids.
Great job guys thanks
happy new golf year
You too!!!!
All this info is absolute gold.
In your third drill, I think of stepping on a gas pedal with my front foot. That's the go. By stepping on the gas pedal, my front side is extending, my front hip is moving up and around, and my hands are moving up. As my hands move up, the handle of the club comes with them, which has the necessary consequence of the head of the club going down - the lag is releasing. The harder I step on the ground, the faster the club head goes. Sound correct?
Sounds like you have a good swing thought that makes a lot of other good things happen. Love it👊
Actually I do have a question. So I understand the concept and am now practicing thiese drill. What I am finding is the twisting of the wrist at the follow threw . I have been strugwith the chicken wing and found to be I am flipping the wrist at impact so I now understand that. But now at follow threw finding it more difficult turning the wrist without looking awkward if that makes sense. Thank you a great video.
This is good stuff. Taking this on board....
great!!!!!
Great drills to compress golf ball
Thanks!
Does this conform AJ Bonar’s theory? Love this video. I’m interested in lessons.
No idea.
@@AthleticMotionGolf J Alsept is referring to AJ Bonar's concept that you echoed where the face is squaring approaching impact. You clearly dispel the myth of the square face.
@@Yoohoo2949 gotcha👍. Yes the face is closing into impact, not being held square.
@13:00 . A thought which works for me at this point: throw the thumbs down. Freeze any image of a pro's contact point; the wrists have "unhinged". The thought of throwing the thumbs replicates this action. cheers
Fantastic! Ryan Palmer's swing looks great in GEARS. This video is very similar to a video I posted on my channel last year - about falling into the front foot and how it's counterintuitive and completely misunderstood my most golfers. They even used the same terms to describe the motion.
Excellent guys, my game is now based on your teachings...
Great content guys. Happy new year
thanks!!
I've got to figure out some way to give this two (or more) thumbs up! The third point is huge!
We'll shoot TH-cam an email noting you added another couple 👍😀
We agree, #3 is HUGE!
So why not have the left foot shift as part of your normal swing?
Great important info in this video. Awesome!
amazing. stuff as always
thanks!!!
at 13:18 when shaun just absolutely pures one from his back heel to impact lol
Do you have any content for seniors because at 73 I can't get the separation (as much as you show) I have lost around 30 yards on my clubs (the woods I can handle but irons are causing me problems as distances are so inconsistent ....7 iron could be 90 yds or 125 and tend to hit 3-4 inches behind.)
I don't believe we mentioned separation. Separation varies greatly among tour guys as it does the rest of us normal golfers. The elements we do talk about still apply and things we teach to all of our senior golfers - several of who wish they were as young as you😀. Getting your centers moving correctly is a great cure for those inconsistencies AND those heavy impacts!
I added one more move to the left only, roll wrist counter clockwise, and feel arm snap, do this several times , before you hit a ball, it creates a nice draw like action at impact. Your right you have to train arms and hands to release in the down swing, impact position. Before this drill my dead hands would produce an open club face, automatic slice/ fade…
When Mike and Shaun talk everybody listen!
Haha you haven’t met my wife😂
@@AthleticMotionGolf 😂
The salad analogy is what did it for me and brought everything together!
Hey fellas, my coach referred me to your channel . Your content is perfectly aligned to what I'm learning at the moment
Love it. Who are you working with?
@@AthleticMotionGolf I'm working with Eoin gibbons golf based in Dublin Ireland
@@Colin_Power awesome! Shout out to Eoin Gibbons 👏
Pretty convinced you two are the best and I've watched an embarrassing amount of golf instruction.
thanks for the kind words! An "embarrassing amount" did make me 😆
Without worrying about degrees and such , if i wanna take this to a range and practice it do I just just use my hips rotating more horizontal and the shoulders more vertical
Gravity Golf explains the fall.
But...what are your thoughts about the very upright arm swing in back swing with a fall over of the arm/club in the transition advocated by David Lee? His arm club transition seems to be an exaggeration of the left arm drill you are showing here.
The fall idea is ok. The rest I don’t love
I notice there are lots of divot boards for under $100 and this board is close to $200. Is this board far superior? Just want to get the right one. Thanks AMG!
I have a coach. I watch a lot of lessons. This one video is by far the best !! At least for my game. This one put all the pieces together!! Add in the importance of the left leg and I’ll quit my coach!!
Excellent video
thanks!!!
Love it lads
Does the lead wrist have to be in some sort of flexion before impact?
not neccesarily. really depends on the grip
Step drill is one of my go to drills.
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Great video, I want the impact mat but when I go to the link it says buy. here for $119 and when I get there the price is now $129.. ???
I'm sorry to hear that. We don't set the price for the DB and we've our tech guys remove the 119 from the page to alleviate any confusion.
Quick question guys. On my practice swings, at the beginning of the delivery phase I see my hands overlapping with my Trail thigh and then at impact they overlap with my lead leg ( nice compression). But the moment I put a ball I see my hands falling behind, 3 to 4 inches behind my trail thigh at the beginning of delivery and scoopy/ centered with my crotch at impact. Do you have a video that covers this?
The hardest thing ive found as a golfer who took it up as an adult, having been reasonably good at sports, is how to keep the arms live without them dominating the backswing/sequencing,so that they fire through the ball at the right time.Ive found ATs SB glide is my magic move But she doesnt agree the arms fire at all! Still with that and your great videos im down to 3 hcp and playing to it, at 60yo. By the way Ive overdone the first two drills so going to try your gentler versions!
Can you tell us what "ATs SB" means? Want to make sure I'm on the same page before commenting 🙂
@@AthleticMotionGolf Alison Thetije shoulder blade glide,Chuck allegedly stole the idea! I find it works for me with your great videos prob cos as i just realised im hyper mobile!
@@grahamjones7371 Gotcha, thanks for the definition. Being hyper mobile is a first world problem for sure 😀
@@AthleticMotionGolf Yes but turning into an advantage now im 60 and shooting my lowest scores ever!
@@grahamjones7371 so awesome 😍
Another video idea, a lot of guys talk about getting width in the backswing but how about keeping width in the downswing. I’m pretty narrow in the downswing, lots of radial on my lead wrist and It causes me to come to in to out and manipulate the club face. Would be cool to see how the pros do It.
We can definitely do that one, great idea! In the mean time, we rarely see a narrow downswing when there's good width at the top. Make sure your not overdoing the radial going up, or over bending the right arm into the top. Both are width killers 😉
Is this the same for driver or is it just for irons?
8:26 - the term; “lightening” the foot to re-center. Is exactly what is taught in skiing to achieve the same purpose. “Pushing” is not correct as you loose balance and not maximize pressure shift 👏👍
oh wow i did not know that about skiing!! Thats cool!
I think where the confusion comes in with "taking the hands out of it" is that there is definitely radial and ulnar deviation, flexion and extension going on with both wrists, the force of the swing would make it impossible for there not to be. The question is how much should there be throughout the swing, and if you take the hands out of it by lessening or eliminating pronation and supination, or "twisting the handle", through body rotation? I believe the best ball strikers take out the twist as much as possible.
Very common question. The answer is a hard "NO" lol. The body doesn't not, not even among the most rotated players on tour, rotate enough to square the club. We see golfers every coming who try to do just that, it's never good, and why they spend the time and money to come in to finally get measured.
There is ZERO evidence that suggests the best ball strikers twist the club as little as possible. In fact, there is a lot of evidence that shows the opposite. It's an idea that makes sense on paper, but doesn't happen in the real world. First to even know what great ball strikers do, you've got to have a system that is capable of accurately measuring both the body (many system can do this) AND also the club (which only a couple systems can do). GEARS is one of those systems, but outside of a university setting, there's not really anything else available that can do both. We have captured two of the statistically most accurate ball strikers on tour in the past 25 years. One had medium twist, the other had very high twist. That's what happens when you measure these guys (we have over $1 billion won on tour in the database). They cover the gamut, and there is zero correlation that low twist produces a better result (fairways hit, greens hit, proximity, etc.). Zero. Because on either ends of that spectrum, the club is still rapidly closing over the last foot before impact. Another factor that has to be considered is the club itself. The club does not twist uniformly. Meaning, what the golfer is doing at the grip end is NOT what's happening at the head end during the downswing. And that ratio changes as the speed increases coming down. So different shaft profiles require different rates of twisting to achieve the same effect with the head.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Would an extremely strong grip change the required amount of face rotation?
@@frankenstein01 it depends on a couple of factors. Our next video goes into a good bit of detail that I think will explain it better than trying to type it all out 🤓
@@AthleticMotionGolf Man this is just GOLD!
Ok.. very good... now, take a look at what you guys do with your feet while explaining the stuff in the 2nd drill portion of the video... say at about 10:10 thru 10:50... You have both moved your back foot to a position in which the big toe of the right foot.. (the back foot of a right hand swing) is more or less now in line with the heel of the front foot... So here is my description of what i might call the "ballerina stance' drill... (to increase compression and prevent reverse pivoting):
Start with a 7 or 8 iron and load yourself to make a 50 yard chip shot... (firm hit... not much forced effort) Line up to the ball with the ball just slightly behind the big toe of your front foot.. Now, place your back foot about 6 inches in width of stance from your front foot, BUT, move your back foot, (the right foot) so that the toes of the back foot are now even to the heel of the front foot..(something like a ballerina who is about to turn a bit backwards and then spin to the left)... the feet should almost feel like you are in a very narrow stance with a forty five degree angle of the front foot to the back... And be sure to feel like almost all of your weight is on and over the center of the front foot....weight over the front foot...
Now, simply turn your shoulders on the backswing so that you feel the front shoulder go under your chin... (because of the stance you will pretty much have to stay in balance and not sway too much to the back) and then simply hit the hard chip by releasing the club as you accelerate through the shot...(total backswing at first should not be but about a good half swing)
Analysis: without much complexity, the usual golfer will get instant feedback on how to strike the ball correctly... (why this works, I am not sure... it just does) I think the narrow, closed stance forces balance and creates a pivot motion which just puts the club into the right position at impact... And, most golfers will almost certainly hit this shot farther than they were trying to... and, will probably produce a shot with a bit of draw spin as well... Next, you can begin to slowly hit a bit harder to get a longer shot...
and please, try this... anybody can do this... it will not hurt at all to try... and older golfers will love this because it doesn't hurt them physically...
How to you release the arms and hands without hooking every short? Thanks
From baseball career hitting over 3rd basemen’s head how do I to fix chicken wing. I now rotate lower body faster to lang left elbow and arm behind contrary to your faster upper body over stable lower lesson to create speed
yea ima pusher, the falling is tough because of MASSIVE DIVOTS and that angling the spine back through the shot to level it out....i never liked that. ill mess around with it on the range with "the fall".......how much fall?
Watch the video again paying attention to the sway numbers in the upper left. Those show "how much" better than explaining it here👍
This is what most 5 to 15 handicap golfers can't do its so hard, thanks for the drills I will work through the winter on this
wish you guys were in the northeast so I could take in person lessons, Thanks for the tips
Love it, let us know how it goes👍
I’ve noticed that on the computer models the trail arm looks to be approaching some internal rotation. Maybe just the program but I haven’t seen this with slo mo videos of pros. Am I seeing things wrong? It seems that there is room between the hip and elbow before impact.
the right arm is a little odd looking on gears at times. Good catch there
@@AthleticMotionGolf 😄. I’ve been trying to replicate that just to see and I can say it doesn’t work all that well.
where are you guys located,I want to come and get a lesson
How About comparing LPGA Pros to AMs, may be more obtainable for average golfer, or is there not much difference to PGA Pros
The average, not even the average PGA Tour player, can move their body like the average LPGA pros. Women in general are hyper mobile and tend to turn well past the range of your average male. Not always a benefit BTW. The LPGA pros are not good comparisons for the average male golfer 🙂
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks for the reply,even tho im old and large im hyper mobile! Dohh explains a lot!
I used to have a massive slow motion sway but saved it with a massive slow motion re-centering! But there was so much wasted time and effort i was short but straight.
I love the first drill exactly what my pro is trying to get me to do. GET OFF MY RIGHT SIDE!! What I would love to see a video on is how to not stall the hips at impact.
try lightening the right side :) It can help a lot!
Does the right arm “ push “ in the downswing?
@@boppieh8448 it does 👍
Is it like a palm” punch” ?
@@boppieh8448 like a hand shake
Are lessons booking fixed on website yet?
Yessir
Is the feeling of the arms almost falling into place from the top of the backswing rather than a pull down?
Great question. No way for us to say what you might feel, but we can say what happens… the arms are accelerating faster than any other body segment, and their direction is down.👍
@@AthleticMotionGolf I'm probably a bit too right hand dominant in that my right hand tends to pull down but also push the grip outwards a bit and cast it a little. Can be a little frustrating and make it harder to compress all of my iron shots.
Off topic but do you guys do short game video lessons or practice plans at all by the way? Could be interested in either or both.
@@iainwyper9661 you're not alone, it's almost always the right hand (trail hand) that gums up the transition for guys. Would definitely do as many of the open handers as you can stand to do. Then do some more 🙂
Yes we do short game lessons online. We're about to have more availably up on the website soon for booking. We also just launched our Short Game System inside AMG+. I'd highly recommend that for the short game, plus you get to share your swings with us as often as you like. Here's a link if you're interested athleticmotiongolf.com/amg-plus/
Your athletic motion concept is very similar to what I have seen from Dr. Kwon.
Probably because he actually takes the time to measure what happens in great swings too🤓. Dr Kwon's a friend and very good at what he does.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Aha, I was going to ask just that! Dr Kwon has done a lot of stuff recently on YT with Brendan from BBG. So you agree with his notion of keeping the shoulders/hips closed as much as possible as you 'fall' left, then unwind from there...? And his focus on more (body) speed into backswing motion, less efforting on downswing? (that's what I hear him say!)
@@Ken-jf1cm although I wouldn't call it a notion as much as it's just relaying what he sees (which corresponds with what we see) great players doing. It's also more of a matter of adding speed early in the backswing, something that is very easy to see in the pro data compared to am data, that sets up the transition. Which sets up a proper sequence from the top, as opposed to firing the shoulders early to start the downswing. We see so many golfers coming in trying to do cartoonishly exaggerated rotational movements that are so far removed from what happens in great swings. It's great that Brendon is exposing his audience to what a normal athletically dynamic sequence looks like, and how to do it. We recorded this video back on August 9th of 2020, so it's been on the release schedule for a while. It's cool to see how this release has meshed with what Brendon's been doing with Dr Kwon. It's also great hearing about the traction those videos have gotten. Exposing more golfers to this info will keep more golfers from going down some dark rabbit holes. Because climbing out of those holes takes way more effort and then going down them.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks very much for the reply. I really like what Dr Kwon is saying...but I wouldn't want to do anything that didn't also get the AMG OK! Like everyone else says, you guys are the world leaders. Thanks for all the stuff you do.
Doing the step through drill and everything is leaking right. Is that a normal tendency?
can be if you move too forward or play the ball too far back
Interesting. I believe the question here is what is your problem. If you show a weakness in turn or rotation, which many ams do, then the arms take over. The body if not used correctly then is a great source of power that is totally wasted. Getting the sequence right is the key of course and for me anyway, the release when done correctly is the proper wrapping of the present.
Sequence is definitely key. The only stipulation I add to your comment is that HOW and WHEN ams try to turn or rotate is the weakness.
Heard you aren't fans of training aids that "do the job for you". Does the tourstriker smart ball, or similar aids, fall under this category?
Depends on how you use them :)