Tosin & Tobs are the ultimate twin study. 1 supports Arsenal, relatively successful club and you can see how calm and happy he is. On the other hand we have Tobs who supports Tottenham! Great guy, knows alot about football. Not exactly the happiest though. Big up though, big fans of both 👍
@@sidhantkochhar8063 yeah we’ve had some pretty sad times to deal with! We were so good that our drop off looked embarrassing and it really was. Realistically this will happen to every big club. Look at liverpool a decade or 2 ago, Chelsea & United over the last few years. It just changes every decade or so
Great conversation! Don't get me wrong, I love Tobs on The Big Six but to sit and listen to his spitting image who actually loves Arsenal like I do is such a treat. Great job, Tosin!
3 of the best Arsenal fans on the internet in my opinion. All really well spoken. All different opinions but not afraid to listen to others and change that original opinion. Cracking show, thanks for giving us such high content.
Just today when I was picking up my nephew from school, I saw one of the teachers who supports Spurs and I continuously fist bumped my chest like Klopp; he went like "Get over it, it’s boring now.” I’m gonna savour that win for the whole week idc 🔴⚪️
Big relief to finally hear someone actually not praising our midfielders perfomance apart from their good workrate and of course great result. So many people mentioning Jorginho as one of our best during the derby which i completely couldn't see on the pitch. Apart from anyone's opinion big love for all of you guys. This podcast is a true gem
James love the content! I honestly believe that Mikel bought Kai in to be a striker, but he couldn’t directly say that at the time because of how many strikers we had on the roster at the time. I feel like Mikel using Kai in the midfield was more of a result of injuries and not attempting to use him as that left 8. Keep up the great content
It’s time to accept that Havertz is one of our most important and effective players in the current setup. He works tirelessly and deserves the recognition. I hope he continues to do in the heads of our haters.
Kai Havert record: Context - kai scored 13 goals in the PL last season. He scored 2 against Chelsea (5th) and 1 against Spurs (6th) The other 10 goals were against teams below top 10.
Context both goals against Brentford gave us 6 points, equaliser against Luton was massive and the winner on the final game of the season would have won us the league if City slipped up.
Kai. Is a striker and they are judged on their goals. Let’s not make out like he does a lot of work that we don’t really see. Unfortunately all we see is when we score goals and just remember mick wanted him as a midfielder. He’s no gun man striker period
Love what Kai has brought to the table so far, been completely sold on him. But the question still remains do we have the difference maker in those ucl knockouts fixtures or city (a) games. I still feel like we need another killer in that attack
59:43 want to see Riccardo there in the left back/go mad position with his knowledge of the league/opponents... and have Jorgi also staying in the XI with Rice left 8 and do same as Sunday with the forward 4(ish)... if anything perhaps GabiJ on for Kai just to add threat off bench/save him for Citeh away
Havertz was an interesting case study in terms of fan and commentator response. A lot of fans, and quite a few on AFTV and the like, had their minds made up about him being shit and not worth the money (admittedly his first months didn't help). But that said.. one of the most difficult things for people to do is to say "I was wrong". If you look at fan cams and post game media, you'll see who is honest and unbiased in when they began giving him his due. Some still hesitate to do it. I was saying all along he was one of the most severe cases of lacking in confidence I've personally seen in professional sports. he couldn't have found a better situation than Arsenal and Arteta to rinse that Chelsea stink off of him.
I really like Havertz and I believe if we do sign a world class striker he will work as hard as he can to make it into that team somewhere regardless if it’s upfront or midfield
Hey lads, i love our team as much as anyone but lets not lie we kind of won by the skin of our teeth, without Odegaard our midfield almost felt dead amd you all admitted to the fact that both players in our double pivot barely we making any forward passes or striding forward with the ball. Even though our squad was adapting Arteta needs to take more risks at times with other players in the team. If Nwaneri was on earlier we might have been able to inject some creativity into the midfield and we could have seen more actual chances created but big upnthe boys amd im so proud to be a Gunner.
I don't recognise the "dross" reference to Havertz Tosin is talking about. He wasn't confident in his play and Arteta played him in an unfamiliar position, but dross he wasn't.
All that's missing from Havertz's skill set is his finishing, tad bit inconsistent. The guy makes some of the most intelligent runs (does it on a consistent basis), works hard, has good link-up play, and also partakes in sh*thousery. He's much much better than Jesus in the no.9 role. I legit have havertz to finish the season with 20 goals in pl alone.
@@Henry-to6yz Yeah maybe, he overreacted, Clichy caused us to draw against Birmingham, and Lord Bentner was so useless that Gallas almost drag him out of the pitch
@@Henry-to6yz Gallas came from a team led by a young vibrant and hungry Jose Mourinho whose players were full of hunger for success. He came to Wenger team that lack motivation and are only interested in winning top 4 trophies. In 07/08 we somehow challenged luckily because Chelsea lost Mourinho but in the end we fell short, this is enough for Gallas as the captain to be angry with the team and manager
@@damilareisrael2282 you can be as angry as you want but as a captain and senior member of the squad he had a responsibility to maintain some level of professionalism, not publicly meltdown in a pivotal moment of the season.
James, we were awful in midfield, no cover up. Awful. We were lucky that Spurs didn't have a midfiels as Bissoma and Sarr didn't start. Sarr came on as a sub which would imply that he was not fit to start. It was embarrassing to watch - win or no win.
Too harsh on Cech. Literally won Golden glove in his first season. With a much worse defense than Raya has in front of him these days. But we praise Raya for golden glove last season. Cech's struggles started when the whole thing about GK playing with their feet started being too important. And when he started having to deal with people like mustaphi.
It's not time to heap praise on Haverts cus he hasn't helped us win a trophy yet Rather we can pat him on the back and tell him to keep working hard to deliver the EPL and UCL that us fans have wanted for yearsc
@@rolef6084people forgot to appreciate what we have. people forgot where we came from. people only watch football because of the trophy. he isn‘t really a supporter nor did he ever love football itself. no wonder people can‘t be happy anymore if thats the way they think.
@@Alex-dg2dn fully agree with you lad. These ppl watch footie not for the beauty of the game but to have bragging rights on social media or with friends. While the rest of us had an amazing time last season with an incredible level of football being displayed they must have had a terrible time.
@@rolef6084 100%. I haven‘t had this much fun watching Arsenal in years. Yes we all want a trophy but I watch football because I love the sport. 90 minutes where you can forgot about any problems in your life. I rewatch so many games because I‘m interested in the tactical aspect of the game.
Raheem is a good signing but he is not better than Martinelli at Arsenal Martinelli brings in a defensive attributes aswel I won't complaint though as a winger we want him to more involved going forward hopefully he won't miss those chances he is been ridiculed for
How come James always afraid to back us on big away game? Our sway form has been superb. Ha always predict a draw. I’m a fan of Arsenal for a long, long time. There’s no reason to predict a draw at this point. I’m backing the team to always win. Especially the level that we’re right now.
The whole fiasco was blown out of proportion. We all talk about mentality, Gallas cry was as a result of his mentality. We lost a 5point lead because of Eduoado injury and most of the team weren’t even showing remorse. Szsenny smoking in toilet, Adebayor doing nothing
12:15 great call... am of an age that Merson the Person used to b a hero of mine... he is typical of pundits of that ilk, spouting rubbish just to get social media hits/notoriety... pathetic
Like I said in the Beginning of last season, havertz is not a bad player ppl making him out to be, arteta played his out of position and made him look bad, when clearly the obvious choice was to play him up front. In fact, havertz was never a bad player as proven in community shield last season. Same If you play tomi as cf, you are unlikely to get much from him, although he ll likely win some headers and do some pressing. So he ll do a job but you won't win pl like that. How arteta was planning to win the pl playing players out of best position only he knows
James man stop this flip flopping brother just back your team to win, every time I listen to you speak it's always I'll take a draw it's never a win. You did the same thing against Spurs, for once I'd like to hear you arsenal will win just once. If it was up to you we would never win any difficult game, I'm sure you want a draw against City this Sunday. Draw at Liverpool United Chelsea New castle meaning no league again this season. Take some lessons from Turkish he always backs us to win every game.
@@masterchief1520 well, when using stats it is good to get them right and factual rather than to use multiple crying of laughter faces sarcastically while getting them wrong.. but to be clear I'm talking about when played as a false 9, not CM. Cheers to u too buddy.
@@sco9616 Well, when using "stats" recovering gambling addict and weak Arteta fanboy Sco the Plastic, it's good to use one's that actually mean something to us real match going fans. "his g/a was more than haalands last year"??? Really? Wtf did he win? - Nothing Muppet
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So much fun recording this one, and massive thanks to Tosin for joining us! 🫶🏽
big up Sheroys
Big man like Tosin. What happened to Tobs supporting the scum?
Man like Sheroy ❤❤❤
Top show gents. Great to see Tosin on here too!
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Thank you! He was excellent!
Tosin & Tobs are the ultimate twin study. 1 supports Arsenal, relatively successful club and you can see how calm and happy he is. On the other hand we have Tobs who supports Tottenham! Great guy, knows alot about football. Not exactly the happiest though.
Big up though, big fans of both 👍
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We arsenal fans are only calm compared to spurs fans. In reality no one has suffered more than us specially a fan post invincibles😂
I respect it though. Only the best fans are the ones who can take a loss… over and over again!"
@@nischitranganath5960 Banter aside you’re 100% I always give that credit to Tottenham fans, they must genuinely love the game 👏
@@sidhantkochhar8063 yeah we’ve had some pretty sad times to deal with! We were so good that our drop off looked embarrassing and it really was. Realistically this will happen to every big club. Look at liverpool a decade or 2 ago, Chelsea & United over the last few years. It just changes every decade or so
Great conversation! Don't get me wrong, I love Tobs on The Big Six but to sit and listen to his spitting image who actually loves Arsenal like I do is such a treat. Great job, Tosin!
3 of the best Arsenal fans on the internet in my opinion. All really well spoken. All different opinions but not afraid to listen to others and change that original opinion. Cracking show, thanks for giving us such high content.
Thank you so much, extremely kind words!! Glad you enjoyed it!!
Just today when I was picking up my nephew from school, I saw one of the teachers who supports Spurs and I continuously fist bumped my chest like Klopp; he went like "Get over it, it’s boring now.” I’m gonna savour that win for the whole week idc 🔴⚪️
And rightly so!
SO MUCH SENSE TALKED ON THIS POD ONE OF MY FAVOURITES JAMES SHEROY AND TOSIN SENSIBLE PERSONIFIED KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK COYG
Big relief to finally hear someone actually not praising our midfielders perfomance apart from their good workrate and of course great result. So many people mentioning Jorginho as one of our best during the derby which i completely couldn't see on the pitch. Apart from anyone's opinion big love for all of you guys. This podcast is a true gem
So so glad you guys have a podcast, always an intelligent and honest debate. Big love🫶🙌
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Thank you ❤
The team for Atalanta- Raya, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Calafiori, Jorginho, Rice, Nwanieri, Jesus, Sterling, Martinelli.
Spot on
Football has been evolving and so is the position of the striker.
There are many roles assigned to strikers based on their attributes and game plan.
big up tobs for such a humble interview, never knew you was a gunner 😳❤
Love this Podcast James and SheroysVoice
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Enjoyed this one, nice work.
I’m glad you upload the podcast on yt and Spotify on the same days 🙌🏼, forever arsenal can take a few days 😒
So that's actually my fault... we don't have the same system in place but working on it!
James love the content! I honestly believe that Mikel bought Kai in to be a striker, but he couldn’t directly say that at the time because of how many strikers we had on the roster at the time. I feel like Mikel using Kai in the midfield was more of a result of injuries and not attempting to use him as that left 8. Keep up the great content
Love to see this back , cheers lads👊🏾 Clarence
Let’s keep up our winning ways 💪🏿 I do want a slightly rotated squad for Atlanta
Top podcast James & Sheroy! Hoping we kick off the UCL with a Havertz goal now!🔥
Another great show lads ❤
Big up sheroy and James
19:41 never thought of that (re RVP potential)... if it happens we would also have to credit coaching/club setup, along with Kai himself... maybe?
It’s time to accept that Havertz is one of our most important and effective players in the current setup. He works tirelessly and deserves the recognition. I hope he continues to do in the heads of our haters.
Kai Havert record:
Context - kai scored 13 goals in the PL last season.
He scored 2 against Chelsea (5th) and 1 against Spurs (6th)
The other 10 goals were against teams below top 10.
All of them count the same?
Context both goals against Brentford gave us 6 points, equaliser against Luton was massive and the winner on the final game of the season would have won us the league if City slipped up.
Kai. Is a striker and they are judged on their goals. Let’s not make out like he does a lot of work that we don’t really see. Unfortunately all we see is when we score goals and just remember mick wanted him as a midfielder. He’s no gun man striker period
Love what Kai has brought to the table so far, been completely sold on him. But the question still remains do we have the difference maker in those ucl knockouts fixtures or city (a) games. I still feel like we need another killer in that attack
2:31 heh u got to luv it 👏🏼
59:43 want to see Riccardo there in the left back/go mad position with his knowledge of the league/opponents... and have Jorgi also staying in the XI with Rice left 8 and do same as Sunday with the forward 4(ish)... if anything perhaps GabiJ on for Kai just to add threat off bench/save him for Citeh away
Big up Tosin, him and his brother are class. I’m an identical twin aswell, but both me and my brother are gooners , COYG!!!
Perfect trio on the panel today . Good midfield balance on the Goonerverse .
Havertz was an interesting case study in terms of fan and commentator response. A lot of fans, and quite a few on AFTV and the like, had their minds made up about him being shit and not worth the money (admittedly his first months didn't help). But that said.. one of the most difficult things for people to do is to say "I was wrong". If you look at fan cams and post game media, you'll see who is honest and unbiased in when they began giving him his due. Some still hesitate to do it. I was saying all along he was one of the most severe cases of lacking in confidence I've personally seen in professional sports. he couldn't have found a better situation than Arsenal and Arteta to rinse that Chelsea stink off of him.
Big up Tosin
Elite panel 🔥🔥
They were fantastic!
Think Havertz has unquestionably been one of our better players so far this season. Still want an upgrade going forward but look...
I really like Havertz and I believe if we do sign a world class striker he will work as hard as he can to make it into that team somewhere regardless if it’s upfront or midfield
thought his performance against Tottenham went under the radar against Spurs. Was very good and works so hard
Agreed!
Ive got a Spurs mate. He's been missing since Sunday. 😂
Fair few of them have been! 🤣
My phone was slightly away and I legitimately thought i saw Tobs on the goonerverse 😂
I'm convinved Tobi and Tosin are the same person, its just Tobs trying to have some enjoyment in football
Hey lads, i love our team as much as anyone but lets not lie we kind of won by the skin of our teeth, without Odegaard our midfield almost felt dead amd you all admitted to the fact that both players in our double pivot barely we making any forward passes or striding forward with the ball. Even though our squad was adapting Arteta needs to take more risks at times with other players in the team. If Nwaneri was on earlier we might have been able to inject some creativity into the midfield and we could have seen more actual chances created but big upnthe boys amd im so proud to be a Gunner.
I don't recognise the "dross" reference to Havertz Tosin is talking about. He wasn't confident in his play and Arteta played him in an unfamiliar position, but dross he wasn't.
11:25 trophy or bust is what you’re talking about James.
That mindset is largely what’s wrong with football discourse today
Name me a more identical pair of twins in the football TH-cam world. I can never tell if it’s Tosin or Tobz.
Merino(sheroy), Ordegaard (james) and Partey (Tosin)
What a midfield 🔥🔥
😂😂😂😂😂
James is Arteta's assistant with specks
Jordons comment of the week:
Top show 👍
James the same guy that predicted a draw
Tosin, our squad is short. No depth. Sometimes we should take away the bias from our thinking - if we can.
Foolish me actually thought Cech was going to be our Van Der Sar and we were going to win the title that season 😂
What a time to be alive!
Thought this was multiverse of madness
Kai Havertz won the champions league and was called shit…now he’s at arsenal we should praise him. 👍🏽
I'm not a fan of Havertz but he performed better than I expected last season.
Havertz needs a lot of strength to hit screamers and become a proper striker..Which I am not sure he will ever become.
I was wondering what Tobz was doing on this podcast. I thought he was a spurs fan..🤣
think we can beat Atalanta, they're not in great form and I think we have the momentum to do it, even with a slightly changed team
Petr cech i think had the most clean sheets in the league with us? I agree with sheroy need a fifth tier
"I don't talk to Tottenham players"
Once a gooner, always a gooner.
Long live King Kai, he's fully bought into the process.
he is the key to arteta hoofball. Merino will be hoofball equivalent of messi
20:55 😂😂😂
All that's missing from Havertz's skill set is his finishing, tad bit inconsistent. The guy makes some of the most intelligent runs (does it on a consistent basis), works hard, has good link-up play, and also partakes in sh*thousery.
He's much much better than Jesus in the no.9 role. I legit have havertz to finish the season with 20 goals in pl alone.
I think Galass should be higher at least. He improved us no doubt, we really challenged 07/08 and he was a massive part of the team
And he also caused us to capitalise, sulked and acted like a complete baby when the going really got tough.
@@Henry-to6yz Yeah maybe, he overreacted, Clichy caused us to draw against Birmingham, and Lord Bentner was so useless that Gallas almost drag him out of the pitch
@@Henry-to6yz Gallas came from a team led by a young vibrant and hungry Jose Mourinho whose players were full of hunger for success. He came to Wenger team that lack motivation and are only interested in winning top 4 trophies. In 07/08 we somehow challenged luckily because Chelsea lost Mourinho but in the end we fell short, this is enough for Gallas as the captain to be angry with the team and manager
@@damilareisrael2282 you can be as angry as you want but as a captain and senior member of the squad he had a responsibility to maintain some level of professionalism, not publicly meltdown in a pivotal moment of the season.
Tosin, let's call a spade a spade, Partey aged QUICK. That's why he's looking slower.
the phrase "passion merchants" is crazy. some people must be so miserable 😭 (not anyone on this pod to be clear)
Let's gooo
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James, we were awful in midfield, no cover up. Awful. We were lucky that Spurs didn't have a midfiels as Bissoma and Sarr didn't start. Sarr came on as a sub which would imply that he was not fit to start. It was embarrassing to watch - win or no win.
We don’t have a good team we have a great system created by Arteta
Are we more happy with havertz playing striker, or with Havertz just not playing in midfield?
Yes Tosin ❤🎉
Too harsh on Cech. Literally won Golden glove in his first season. With a much worse defense than Raya has in front of him these days. But we praise Raya for golden glove last season. Cech's struggles started when the whole thing about GK playing with their feet started being too important. And when he started having to deal with people like mustaphi.
How mad that tobs and tosin look identical but would be wearing spurs and arsenal shirts 😂
Jorginho is still world class. Arsenal play better when he plays
Jorginho still hasn’t won everything there is to win! He is missing the PL he came to Arsenal to help them finally win a PL Title! COYG!
It's time to heap praise on £65m signing Havertz for only scoring 7 goals less than Citys £50m signing Haaland after 5 games
It's not time to heap praise on Haverts cus he hasn't helped us win a trophy yet
Rather we can pat him on the back and tell him to keep working hard to deliver the EPL and UCL that us fans have wanted for yearsc
I mean that means we cant heap praise on loads of players…. Cant heap praise on basically anyone but saka. So that logic is just absolutely terrible
@@rolef6084people forgot to appreciate what we have. people forgot where we came from. people only watch football because of the trophy. he isn‘t really a supporter nor did he ever love football itself. no wonder people can‘t be happy anymore if thats the way they think.
@@Alex-dg2dn fully agree with you lad. These ppl watch footie not for the beauty of the game but to have bragging rights on social media or with friends. While the rest of us had an amazing time last season with an incredible level of football being displayed they must have had a terrible time.
@@rolef6084 100%. I haven‘t had this much fun watching Arsenal in years. Yes we all want a trophy but I watch football because I love the sport. 90 minutes where you can forgot about any problems in your life.
I rewatch so many games because I‘m interested in the tactical aspect of the game.
@@Alex-dg2dn a true footie and arsenal fan 🫡🤝
Raheem is a good signing but he is not better than Martinelli at Arsenal Martinelli brings in a defensive attributes aswel I won't complaint though as a winger we want him to more involved going forward hopefully he won't miss those chances he is been ridiculed for
How come James always afraid to back us on big away game? Our sway form has been superb. Ha always predict a draw. I’m a fan of Arsenal for a long, long time. There’s no reason to predict a draw at this point. I’m backing the team to always win. Especially the level that we’re right now.
I can't see why Luiz gets the love he does. He was an absolute shit-show. Absolute headless chicken of a defender.
I'm in no way a Havertz hater but the title is way too premature. He cost 65m
Gallas 🤦♀
tantrum was unforgiveable
The whole fiasco was blown out of proportion. We all talk about mentality, Gallas cry was as a result of his mentality. We lost a 5point lead because of Eduoado injury and most of the team weren’t even showing remorse. Szsenny smoking in toilet, Adebayor doing nothing
If only winning counts why do shit teams bother at all??
Willian played better at Fulham having lost weight
12:15 great call... am of an age that Merson the Person used to b a hero of mine... he is typical of pundits of that ilk, spouting rubbish just to get social media hits/notoriety... pathetic
finally tobs converted to an arsenal fan... now we want ex
Luis is half Disaster and half improved Arsenal. Just not reliable.
Like I said in the Beginning of last season, havertz is not a bad player ppl making him out to be, arteta played his out of position and made him look bad, when clearly the obvious choice was to play him up front. In fact, havertz was never a bad player as proven in community shield last season. Same If you play tomi as cf, you are unlikely to get much from him, although he ll likely win some headers and do some pressing. So he ll do a job but you won't win pl like that. How arteta was planning to win the pl playing players out of best position only he knows
Tobs is defo the evil twin. Look how much happier Tosin is because he supports Arsenal 😂😂 Tottenham are shit
James man stop this flip flopping brother just back your team to win, every time I listen to you speak it's always I'll take a draw it's never a win. You did the same thing against Spurs, for once I'd like to hear you arsenal will win just once. If it was up to you we would never win any difficult game, I'm sure you want a draw against City this Sunday. Draw at Liverpool United Chelsea New castle meaning no league again this season. Take some lessons from Turkish he always backs us to win every game.
What 😂. He has the same g/a as Alvarez Jackson and then 😂. Except he's a starter for a title contending club. He's so average like cmon lol
his g/a was more than haalands last year.. not sure what ur talking about!
@@sco9616 ok buddy
@@masterchief1520 well, when using stats it is good to get them right and factual rather than to use multiple crying of laughter faces sarcastically while getting them wrong.. but to be clear I'm talking about when played as a false 9, not CM. Cheers to u too buddy.
@@sco9616 Says the recovering gambling addict Sco the Plastic who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about
@@sco9616 Well, when using "stats" recovering gambling addict and weak Arteta fanboy Sco the Plastic, it's good to use one's that actually mean something to us real match going fans.
"his g/a was more than haalands last year"??? Really?
Wtf did he win? - Nothing
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